A Runeterra Player Tries to Guess How Good New Hearthstone Cards Are w/ GrappLr

[@bakadere2986]

Dont be fooled by Grapplr, he may give off the vibes of a genius but he's a Papaya lord through and through

[@StriderYGO]

why not both?

[@hamdepaf6686]

Lies, he only wins, I have checked his youtube. Only a genius could pull this off.

[@Agus-fw7dl]

Once papaya will always be papaya

[@ThatWildcard]

@jennes a fruit

[@TheLeagueofLegendsTv]

papaya or pepega

[@lux551]

GrappLr: "Nobody makes their games with fatigue gaming in mind." Wizards of the Coast: *frantically trying to hide every mill meta they've ever created*

[@generalbacon7476]

Laughs in ruin crab

[@hiiambarney4489]

My Archive Trap deck was kinda shite but destroying the enemies deck for almost free the first time was so funny.

[@willnash7907]

Fatigue is legit the most fun meta to play. Both players get to play through their decks. Strategy and game knowledge pays off hard. Opening hand and going first rng are minimised. Good stuff.

[@Sebastian1417x]

@@willnash7907 yea I love playing against mill druid thats interactive

[@willnash7907]

@@Sebastian1417x I've seen some lists lately that are kinda bull these days, in case you are talking about that, but that is just combo that technically kills by burning cards instead of burning health. What I had in mind was old school fatigue and mill that goes the distance and works as a toolbox deck, navigating enemy strategies with different counterplay options and carefully pacing out tempo and value. It is a long strategic battle to the cuffs and by far the best Hearthstone I've played because it has so much room for creativity. like using corrupted firework elemental on your own minions for the heal with jaina or knowing when to brann coldlight and zola to prep the mill or holding research projects in opening hand against priest only late at night, cause thats when the older control players play xd.

[@calvinkoone9047]

God, I love card game players interacting. It's so fun seeing the comparisons between the mechanics as well as various different metas.

[@hansdieter8801]

I love this format. Have you ever thought about giving your Players a Scale, so they have something they can orient themselves around? Something like unplayable, meme, has seen play, good, Meta and Blizzard pleas nerve.

[@jubeatrb5552]

I think they misunderstand Location cards. They could be used when they are played at the same turn, and also only EVERY OTHER turn. (like Muck Pools, if you play it on turn 1, you can use it immediately and the fastest to use the next time will be turn 3)

[@yagizkaradagoglu8545]

it stilll works very well with vashj tho, you put the pools on turn 1, you play a minion on 2 and use it on that and its off cooldown on turn 4 for vashj

[@Polfor]

@@yagizkaradagoglu8545 yeah muck pools still seem good but most other ones feel super slow

[@LucasM987]

He understood that. But if you paid 1 mana on turn one to play the Pools, you're not gonna play a 1 mana minion to transform on the same turn (without a coin). So he assumes you'll play a minion on turn 2 that you transform straight away, then on turn 4 target Vashj.

[@TheUltimateShade667]

This was likely recorded before that information became available. We only got that information recently. When muck pools was first revealed we didnt know it was every other turn.

[@jubeatrb5552]

yeah, I think Muck Pools is still a very soild card.

[@themechanicus9698]

Great video as always love from canada

[@StriderYGO]

I barely know GrappLr, but you can immediately tell that this guy knows and rules in card evaluation

[@mist1714]

Ye he's in master, which is legend rank hearthstone, doing papaya decks

[@michaeld8705]

Seeing GrappLr's thoughts on the new cards was super cool. Well done mr Rarran

[@garrettord3304]

Mill Rogue was always my favorite when I played during the early days of HS, so I tend to see cards from that perspective. Gnollshire would be an amazing Mill Rogue card, since it is removal and simply helps prevent overdraw by being 0 cost with a full hand.

[@evanpillsbury]

Love the channel and content dude! Just popped back into hearthstone for the first time in quite awhile and I'm actually having some fun while checking out your videos, keep it up!

[@leanfargel4067]

Coin life tap for speed up goldshire Gnoll? I Dont know about That one bro😂

[@Rarran]

In hindsight, definitely correct, I didn’t articulate my thought process correctly, we were recorded this at 6 am lol

[@rsfo637]

Yeah I was gonna say this haha. The only possible way I can think of playing gnoll on turn 2 in standard is if you go second you have 5 cards in the opener (4 + coin) then draw encumbered pack mule turn 1 making it 7 cards in hand, pass, Then draw another encumbered pack mule making 9 cards in hand, discounting gnoll by 8 so he costs exactly 2 mana on turn 2

[@SteenG3yL]

It's coin Mountain Giant all over again xD

[@triarii9257]

These shows are the most innovative and creative ways to make hearthstone content I've not seen in a long time. The last time I saw something like this was when that Russian guy made a bunch of hearthstone myth busters. And maybe certain specific DToast videos

[@crkTyphoon]

wish you'd do a revisiting format, where you return to those evaluation after the expansion has released and then compare your evaluation to the current state of things with that same guest

[@ahkoukyoussef]

I think the editor was in love with Grapplr he zoomed way too many times on his face

[@isaaclaverne5195]

Druid of the plains actually did see play for a while during guardian animals meta for druid. It was just a generally strong play to push you to turn 8.

[@mattscuderi51]

Grapplr is probably the most handsome tcg player I’ve ever seen

[@RickyMuzakki]

Mogwait topped him btw

[@obinator3486]

The funny part about Muck Pools and GrappLr's reaction to it is that Runeterra actually has a 1 mana spell called Concurrent Timelines that, in simplified terms, basically reads "from now on, turn every first unit you play in a turn into another one with the same cost" - which is a bit gimmicky, but saw some cool meta decks that used a lot of terribly stated units with strong on-play effects (battlecries). The obvious weqkness of that deck archetype, of course, is having to hard mulligan for Concurrent Timelines, and doing pretty bad if you don't draw into it :P edit: just to clarify, you also get to actually manually choose what unit to turn it into out of one of 3 options!

[@traingirl3234]

Trundle Timelines! Awesome deck

[@coeplis24]

The funny part about muck pools is when you read muk backward....

[@Kommandor942]

@@coeplis24 kcum pool 💀

[@pigpotty]

Look I’m just gonna say, if GrappLr put on glasses, I’d 100% believe he’s Clark Kent

[@dogukankay645]

16:20 "it gives you a bloc" ahaha

[@BoyDugo02]

It's been so long since you evaluated Runeterra cards. I wonder when's the next time you're gonna do it?

[@mist1714]

Maybe he could join grappl on the next reveal of voidwalker

[@hamdepaf6686]

@@mist1714 that would be super cool.

[@BoyDugo02]

@@mist1714 I would prefer him reacting to older cards like ASol, Lissandra and the Ascended champs. That way we can see the difference between his perspective and the actual state of the cards in the currebt meta.

[@Noobie2k7]

Plus I mean there's only so many times he can do the same card games before he just has a good understanding of what's good and what isn't and then the videos won't be as interesting. So I feel he should keep doing it for different card games too. Not just Runeterra or MtG.

[@N12015]

5:24 OBJECTION, there's one very cheap: Concurrent timelines, altough the deck is forced to be built around it. 13:18 Sad riptide rex noises.

[@onlynamelefthere]

GrappLr was such a cool guest :D really enjoyed this episode

[@xTobsecretx]

Love these episodes! Think the evaluation of Baroness Vashj is way off though unless there are a ton of good transform effects and token generators released with the set. In the case where you don’t have the location ready for this, it’s just a 4 mana 3/4.

[@narcyz2134]

3/6

[@xTobsecretx]

@@narcyz2134 oh right! Still not very impressive.

[@paytonyoder1260]

The demon seed quest is rather strange. Some interactions with it will prevent your death where other things won’t occur if your health reaches 0. It’s kinda strange.

[@BigFatCock0]

Lifesteal has always worked like this. It's not specific to the quest.

[@thealarm7057]

Healing has always worked like that. IF in the same effect you go under 0 but heal back above it you do not die.

[@paytonyoder1260]

But any other interaction that would involve your health reaching 0 is cut off. Like if Rokara hits a big minion with her 5/2 weapon, if she reaches 0 life from the attack then the effect of the weapon doesn’t activate. Which seems strange when you can get bombed to 0 then draw a soul stone. It cuts other interactions short but will continue interactions after you die if it heals you.

[@BigFatCock0]

@@paytonyoder1260 Because Rokara's weapon says "AFTER you attack a minion". Lifesteal works like "when" effects. Same reason Ogremancer will still summon a 2/2 if the spell kills it but Trogg won't summon another Trogg if it dies from the spell.

[@paytonyoder1260]

@@BigFatCock0 Ogremancer summons a 2/2 before the spell activates. I know that because it’s summoned 2/2 units that die to the AoE spell. That wouldn’t change how the interaction works though, because you have to take the damage before you heal. So, if you attack with a lifesteal weapon you get hurt first, then you heal. Which would function like Rokara’s weapon. So, taking damage to go to 0 health in quest line would track along the lines of taking the damage first, then the quest procs, then you heal afterwards. It all seems like a fluid interaction but you heal AFTER you’re dead already. Which contradicts Rokara’s weapon, because the special thing happens after, just like the healing that you receive.

[@thrillhouse4151]

I love these, I want another Magic one even though it’s only been 2 weeks.

[@k0npaku537]

Been enjoying your content of bringing content creators of different card games on. Would be interesting to see a shadowverse player do these as well. Its an anime-style card game with lots of unique mechanics and somewhat similar to hearthstone.

[@aleksnords]

I could watch this back and forth with Grapp for hours

[@prismaticc_abyss]

Grapplr seems not amused lol

[@NLGwotlkclassic]

xd true

[@crashingpizza5423]

I mean I kinda get it, I love these episodes but I did feel like Rarran talked a lot more than usual. With some cards it really did feel like a lecture (which can get rather boring as most people watching this already know what the backstories of cards like Stealer of Souls)

[@mohammedalrefai2360]

I didn't like the choice of cards in this one. Alot of them are meta depending or set specific cards that you can't really evaluate unless you know all the support cards like eater of souls or smokescreen. I would have preferred more crazy effect cards or spicy effect to see his evaluation of it.

[@FatedFalcon]

I really don’t know how I feel about guessing cards we ourselves haven’t even played with. Like we get predictions wrong for what cards will be good all the time, it seems a bit unfair imo to ask a different TCG player how good a card is when currently we don’t fully know ourselves how good it’ll be.

[@FatedFalcon]

@@PedroSouza-ry9wn Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the series, does it not? Like, what’s the actual point of them guessing how good a card is if there’s no answer to whether it actually is or not?

[@bevvvy1374]

He said he just wanted his thoughts on it. Just something fun to start things off like the guessing voice lines of cards he's done before

[@FatedFalcon]

@@PedroSouza-ry9wn I disagree, I think if there’s no data to confirm if their analysis is correct or not then all it comes down to are pure hypotheticals, which in itself basically become card reviews from non Hearthstone players. Maybe people do enjoy that aspect, I personally don’t and think that kind of content is suited for another series.

[@jericho7852]

Jackpot always just gives me trash I can't play with

[@nathanielcarlyon3393]

I think a good guest on this series would be LS. he used to play hearthstone a lot and magic even more. he also said he was the one who created handlocke, and would be a good foray into the league scene

[@Noobie2k7]

Since there's recently been a new Shadowverse expansion I feel you should get in touch with a SV creator and try to guess how good their cards are. I think you'll do pretty well as the game is quite similar to Hearthstone at the base levels.

[@KirbySaysBweo]

Rarran and Ignideous would be insane to see

[@Noobie2k7]

@@KirbySaysBweo yeah. That would be a lot of fun. Those two would get on i think.

[@Sweetestsadist]

Other than the time connection conked out, I've never I've not yet lost against a deck running Prince Renathal.

[@dendai9613]

Are you playing aggro? I think Renathal sucks against anything else imo

[@ExtraDip613]

you forgot to mention him a pretty impottant fact, locations have a full round cooldown. if you use muck pool on turn 3, it is on cooldown on turn and gets available on turn 5

[@Mrlonefighter]

This was recorded the day after Prince was released and by then that info was not shared/known.

[@ExtraDip613]

@@Mrlonefighter yes it was? it was mentioned when the card was revealed

[@unknowed5048]

8:50: Honestly, if I just run silence on this thing, it's essentially negated. If it choses monster counter, it's great. If it's spell counter, well it doesn't matter if the silence or the counter gets through since the latter would be gone anyway.

[@leafygreen8524]

Thats good to point out but silence is a very niche keyword in hearthstone. Priest is the only class who has not only cost-efficient silences, but on top of that benefits to main-deck them in general. In the latest set one of the most powerful neutral silence cards was printed, its a 3 mana 2/4 Battlecry: SIlence ALL minions. And the ironic thing is that this card is so useful that you actually dont want to waste it on just silenceing Blademaster Okani unless it stops you from winning the game!

[@RatedManatee]

"I wouldn't say *very* good" "Yeah, Really good card!" Rarran about Entitled Customer.

[@SYLXM]

He has a good thought process behind his answers even if he was off a little.

[@viol3tnebula872]

Ayy, it's Grapplr, LETSGO

[@jacopodeldeo4308]

Hey rarran when will you invite fry em up? He is the best PVZheroes content creator and there are some really absurd cards in that game and i think it would be really fun to see you thinking everything is absurdly OP

[@gavriloradosavljevic8508]

Oh I love this! Yes please!

[@minasua0]

+1

[@AIpuchino]

the crazy card design is what I personally miss most in runeterra

[@TrulyVerity]

Renathal might have a reno like effect where people start messing around with new options and tech that would never see play otherwise

[@peterkirk8510]

These are my absolute favorite. Loved the PVDDR one lol

[@backfaced]

This runeterra guy has the strongest jawline and gorgeous eyes. It's not fair

[@bking2181]

HOLY MOLY THE LORD PAPAYA HIMSELF, THE CHAD OF CHADS, GRAPPLR!!!

[@BosSoxFan15]

I tried to guess along with your guest as someone who plays MTG and I was wrong a lot lol.

[@madamelaroux518]

Virgin Goliath, Sneed's Masterpiece vs Chad Riptide Rex, no match.

[@zxkredo]

13:20 no way, i use it in every control deck 😂😂😂😂

[@Golpeadordemesas]

4:55 sounds like better concurrent timelines

[@AApril261992]

Smokescreen is seeing competitive play in mine rogue right now.

[@banan9377]

So what I got from this is that I should be playing Renathal Smokescreen Trickster Rogue XD

[@ljukler]

Smokescreen see play. I watched yesterday Hearthstone championship and one guy was playin it with Mine rogue. Its quite good actually.

[@Destos21]

Waiting for "A checkers player tries to guess how good chess pieces are"

[@Faithful.vellen]

Should've use teemo-grapplr in thumbnail tho

[@thespudofspuds8798]

Extremely engaging and engrossing content! Keep it up.

[@odyseus090]

There is a card that transforms the first follower you play each turn for 1 mana so kind of similar

[@nikenit]

Transforming a minion into one that costs 1 more is a powerful effect, yes, but Im surprised you didnt show other similar cards like Evolve. There are a bunch of much more powerful transform cards in heathstone, and compared to them, the landmark looks just ok, because transform decks tend to be very wide, and a landmark or two taking up minion slots on the battlefield can lower their powerlevel.

[@miragegaming984]

Excuse me Mr. Guest sir. I love fatigue games, in MTG I'm a control player and love making people concede vs winning of my own accord and in LoR I liked that deck that deleted my opponents deck so I won when they couldn't draw.

[@moldyorangepeel]

He secretly played some hearthstone again before this

[@TheJadeFist]

That 8 cost deal 2 dmg to 5 targets kinda look likes a Riptide Rex from Runeterra, which is mediocre but strong in certain situations and can even hit the other players health if there are no units to hit left.

[@juby6359]

2:30 I do think the opposite, the better the cards are, the worst Renathal becomes. I love to play big control deck but if aggro gets better, even with 10 more hp it would become really difficult to get to turn 6/7 and usually the new big control cards tend to have those mana cost (Recently I faced a bomb rogue and he blew my whole hp in only 5 turn, he maybe had the perfect mulligan but still)

[@henry92_44]

Funny how smokescreen was not seeing play at all at the time this video was recorded and then hybrid mine rogue started popping up at the MT and then in high legend

[@Sinolsen]

You should definently do a collab with MegaMogwai Rarran, that would be so much fun!

[@Rarran]

Already did it :)

[@Sinolsen]

Ahh found it now! I love both lor and hs so you and mogwai is without doubt my favourite content creators in those two games so it litteraly made me so happy to see that you have a video together! Keep ut the AMAZING work Rarran ur the best!:)

[@charliegpnjrl]

Goliath Sneed Masterpiece looks like HS version of Riptide Rex except you can choose who to target

[@d0x2f]

Entitled customer looks like he's giving the middle finger!

[@fadeddragon123]

I really wish i could just only play demon seed decks in wild, considering I just came back I’ll never get that chance Lmao. The most fun ways to hurt your opponent in games are with thorn effects or “share the pain” effects

[@GrimmBones]

Bruh, I feel like GrappLr's favorite deck would 100% be Burgle Rogue. Also Thief Priest. After that, any cool, satisfying Control Deck, like maybe Taunt Druid (in Wild).

[@thunderstruck560]

Goliath sees play in mech mage and mech priest because of such a small mech pool. I've played many goliaths off gorilla bots.

[@SunbleachedAngel]

FYI locations can only be activated every other turn, for whatever reason

[@TheSeoriginal]

These "players guess cards" type of show is so entertaining. Keep up the good work!

[@tryanfrigor4378]

10:33 it was play on Mine deck to draw 5

[@OhHoneyJuice]

Grapplr looks so done 🤣

[@fredv7349]

I don't know if this was done or not but how broken would hearthstone be with spell mana?

[@dmitriytitov4116]

Smokescreen did see some play at Hearthstone Masters Tour just a few days ago. Like in semifinals and finals for sure. Dreivo and Gaboume brought mine rogues. The decks was played in finals. Is it good then? No. But it neither didnt see play. It's niche.

[@60sto80s2]

Yes GrappLR is backkkk

[@braveplays1290]

i feel sorry for Graplr. he be like : i dont really know how the meta these days, nor most of the cards. i would guess the quality of this random new card. and then he be like : yes, uh-huh, ok, interesting

[@zxkredo]

I always make decks where every card there is I am happy about drawing it.

[@bertchintus4103]

Whoa, I cant believe the locations were originally going to be 1 mana, im glad they get nerf'd lmao

[@TNTNinja2]

Not all of them, just Muck Pools

[@tryanfrigor4378]

6:45 pretty OK in 40 card control warrior

[@amuro9624]

I had a control thief rogue deck that would lose late game because I'd just run out of cards and against aggro I'd die before I can gain control of the board so having 10more cards and health solves all the issues of my deck. Been winning a lot and it doesn't feel as clunky or rng dependant anymore

[@mybossismybaby728]

Having played a f2p control warrior deck i will say that blackscale brute is pretty ok. There are for sure better things to do but i would not consider it unplayable

[@ryanjoseph.51]

Did GrappLr buy a new wig to use for this collaboration?

[@attilaolajkar6155]

Maybe it's time for you to organise your first tournament. HS streamers vs LoR streamers playing each game. I think there would be tons of video content material

[@Anthony-qx6er]

Jackpot! is the Hearthstone version of Karma's spell which Grapplr's main source of copium.

[@Skrek-qw1jz]

5:25 Rarran probably forgot to tell that locations have a 1 turn cooldown, so actually you need to spend 5 turns to use its potential fully,

[@Skylark0000]

He probably didn't know since it was being recorded one day after the announcement and most people didn't know yet.

[@Plonom]

You guys should play some money matches in LoR and Hearthstone where you play meme decks 🔥

[@ProsperLogic]

okani one of most played cards in the game

[@leafygreen8524]

To comment on druid of the planes, you can almost look at it as a 7 mana 6/7 Taunt, Battlecry: Deal 7 damage to a minion, which just isn't impactful enough. I don't remember the meta around when this card was in standard off the top of my head but if you're ramping as druid the cards you want to play at that amount of mana are usually warping the entire game and if you're aggro you obviously won't include this card. Its comparible to crowd roaster from rastakhan's rumble (the least powerful hearthstone expansion) which was only good off discover or maybe seen niche play in a book of spectres mage deck

[@xantiagoraco]

Hey Rarra! Would you be interested in doing this with Vanguard cards? CFV is super interesting when looking at it from a newbie perspective

[@Reign274]

Essay time on Prince Renethal. TL;DR: the conclusion is that I think Prince is likely pretty shit in rotation, will be complained about on ladder despite this, and will wind up seeing little to no tournament play in rotation formats after 6 months or so when people are done honeymoon testing and get some more data. Bare with me as I blindly assume shit in Hearthstone to compare it to similar existing mechanics in other games so I can make a conclusion more than just "ya this is good against aggro" and answer "why would this be good against aggro and at what cost". I only know a few things about Hearthstone, so please forgive my lack of knowledge. This is much akin to the video, I play MTG and Runeterra exclusively for a while now. I have played Eternal, Hearthstone, Elder Scrolls: Legends, Yu-gi-oh, Pokemon, and a few others in my time. As a HS player, you will have to fill in blanks about importance that I highlight yourself if you care to. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Alright, let's take a look at Prince. We're going to use MTG principles to understand the cost and effect better while still trying to apply it to what little I know about Hearthstone. In MTG, there are two formats called EDH (or Commander) and Legacy. Both share from the same card pool, but have different ban lists. Ignoring that for a second, let's analyze. Legacy - 60 card deck, 20 life EDH - 100 card deck, 30 life (ignoring commander damage for this) From Legacy to EDH, there is a 67% increase in deck size and a 50% increase in life From HS to Prince decks, there is a 33% increase in deck size and a 33% increase in life So naturally the deck size increase requirement is 100% more in EDH for 50% more life increased life from the HS variant increase. Competitive 1v1 EDH decks can win by turns 3-5 for aggressive options, and Legacy is turns 1-3. It's a large leap, but given that the percentages say Prince is about twice as good as MTG decks going from Legacy to EDH, I'd say the deckbuilding requirement is going to slow your deck down by about a turn safely in WILD formats (which are closer to Legacy in this comparison). We're entirely ignoring the consistency mechanic in Commander decks (the commander(s) themselves which start the game in your hand every game and can be recast) which lowers the cost increase in deck size as well, which is again VERY generous to Prince, but I don't need to include that for my conclusion. So I will continue to be generous. Of course this relies on a bunch of assumptions about card parity in MTG and Hearthstone being somewhat equal. This is a very generous assumption we will make here to show Prince at its top strength because frankly, all I know about HS parity is that they haven't been releasing cards for 30 years in this format like MTG has (to create parity over time naturally). In addition, if we talk about Rotation formats, card parity is MUCH lower due to a much smaller card pool, so the cards 31-40 (including this) you put in will make your deck much, much weaker than even cards 80-100 in competitive EDH decks and will, in turn, slow your deck down by more relatively. Additionally, Legendaries are 1 per deck in Hearthstone, so drawing your best Legendaries 33% less often is (I imagine) an absurdly high cost compared to MTG which has no systems like this in your deck. Hearthstone players know this cost far more than I do. My conclusions about Prince with all this information is the following - * Slowing down your win by a turn due to consistency from this card's inclusion is not irrelevant. It is more likely in rotation formats to slow you down by closer to 2 turns while keeping you from drawing 1-of legendries in (a vacuum ignoring additional card draw inclusions in deck slots 32-40) 33% more of your games. * This card stands as a situational meta choice for ladder and larger tournaments where you expect aggro to be overrepresented. It isn't even that strong if it delays you by 1.5 turns, persay, since aggro can needs to meet a requirement of 10 damage in 1.5 turns = a bit less than 7 damage per turn to close out the game with some strong variance on that number. Seems painful but this is again the best case scenario where your opponent CARES about your life and has no time. Also doesn't seem insurmountable if aggro is good enough, but I don't really know. * The community will, in fact, bitch whine and moan about this card 100%. Something about "meh games taking longer" and "aggro decks are dead" will show up from aggro ladder brainlets who don't understand the cost of adding bad cards to your deck in the long term because THEY don't play Prince decks to see it themselves, so it is an artificial cost in their minds. In reality, this card literally almost can never remove aggro decks from the meta on its own, even IF it was as good as they think and I'm totally wrong. If it ever got that prevalent, the counterplay is there (again, Princeless versions of a deck beat Prince versions naturally over time unless both Prince decks are aggro). At worst, aggro is absurdly strong in HS and this counters it to create a tringle meta of Aggro losing to Prince decks losing to non-Prince decks losing to Aggro. The only "doom" scenario would be aggro prince mirrors being tier 0. I don't see it happening since the consistency of drawing your best one and two drops is generally very important to aggro, but again I don't know Hearthstone. * Over the course of a few months as testing shows longer term results, Prince will see less and less rotation tournament play. Consistency is king in card games. Especially in rotation formats. * Wild is the true home for this card. With the introduction of more cards in a metagame, that metagame verges towards earlier and earlier wins, so the extra 10 health is stronger and the extra card requirement is not as punishing due to higher card parity. If you read this far, you're a real fuckin trooper.

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

A hate card that targets the whole range of aggressive decks can be a massive problem IF there are decks that are heavily vulnerable to aggro.

[@amethonys2798]

The point of the card is if you live against aggro to turn 6 that you wouldn't otherwise, the card won you the game. It doesn't matter how inconsistent your deck is when aggro ran out of gas and you stabilized due to the extra 10 health. A class like Druid has HORRENDOUS anti-aggro tools in standard right now so Renethal completely enabled Prestor Druid as an actual option of a deck since it gives Druid enough of a buffer to make it to Prestor. The consistency hit is even LESS relevant in this deck because they run literally 5 copies of Lady Prestor and card draw to see her on curve virtually every single game even at 40 cards. Is it an auto include in every deck? Absolutely not, but the card is MORE than playable and gets better the more cards are introduced in standard as the card quality of your 31-40 are going to naturally go up. This VERY moment is the absolute worst Renethal will be for 8 months and is in a multitude of tier 1 and 2 decks because the inconsistency hit is not nearly as big of a deal as literally auto losing to aggro which is what things like Druid and Mage struggle more with. Prestor and Alignment Druid both eat control and slower decks up for breakfast so literally anything they CAN do to slightly increase the winrate against Aggro is 100% worth it because the Control deck is never beating like turn 7 Alignment or Kazakusan.

[@Reign274]

​@@amethonys2798 Consistency matters far more than you give credit for. There may be decks that can run 5 copies of a card but that doesn't offset the cost of having to add the 10 worst cards for your deck. This opportunity cost is too high. Almost certainly, even with what you mentioned. Wait for a few months after release when the emotional arguments against this card die down and see where it stands. I'd be shocked if it saw any play. It's not like aggro decks in hearthstone have no reach, hero powers are a natural form of reach ignoring anything else in the game besides that. The stabilizing tools would have to be good enough already to make decks that would abuse this well good enough to begin with. This health is supremely overrated. Take another perspective. By not putting this in your deck, you remove this and the 9 other worst cards in your deck (25% reduced) and take 25% of your damage. Let's take a look at what that would do in the other direction to gain perspective on removing the worst quarter of your deck for health. 3 mana 3/4 You have a minimum deck size of 22. You start the game at 22 health. How much hype would this get? How insanely broken would it be? This is the reality - consistent and streamlined gameplans almost always rule in card games. Any time this sort of thing comes up, people hype it up and then it disappoints. I hope you aren't disappointed in a few months when the Druid decks you mentioned are still bad at dealing with their problems or are inconsistent at best.

[@amethonys2798]

@@Reign274 Again, the consistency DOES NOT MATTER for Prestor Druid. It is already a deck that runs literally 20+ "bad" cards to scam with Prestor. Its stats are absurdly good for a deck that is supposedly "horribly inconsistent" and has issues. The deck literally can only get better as more "less bad" 1-2 drops get printed and can only get worse if the next expansion (not Nathria because we already know the theme) floods the card pool with bad dragons. It fights for board "well enough" against aggro to not die and bounces back with randomly generated nonsense like Primordial Drakes, Alexstrasza, Deathwing, Ysera, etc. Control just never wins the match up because they can't pressure you hard enough and they never outvalue multiple Kazakusan's.

[@bashfulcarrot4015]

Wait Grapplr isn't bald, I don't know how to feel about this

[@emilaliyev1731]

Why is this random freaking magic card player so randomly attractive? Did they find this guy in Abercrombie and fitch and offer him a job? 🤣🤣🤣

[@JaviMT7]

Grapplr is pretty much the most attractive Runeterra content creator lol. But it’s ok, he’s our papaya king.

[@JazzCabbagE7]

Curse warlock eats renethal decks ALIVE

[@miguelsilva7766]

True, which is funny, because Curse Warlock also runs Renathal

[@JazzCabbagE7]

@@miguelsilva7766 mine doesnt, i run it more like a combo deck than a control deck

[@warrentang7459]

Looking good rarran!

[@HeronPress]

Grape's poker face 😐

[@TheTezoni]

"Meu amigo brasileiro Pato Papao"

[@ahjahbd4994]

So is locations or whatever it’s called like a planeswalker in mtg but can’t be attacked

[@MajinObama]

I still don't understand how the Goldshire Gnoll sees THAT much play... it's so easy to kill and there are so many better cards to use, I don't get it

[@winnie-m9m]

Hey rarran, I would love it if you try to Collab with shadowverse content creater next, trying to guess how good shadowverse cards are

[@aFoolsMartyr]

Isn't Muck Pools basically Concurrent Timelines?