Rating a Loremaster of Hoeth Doomstack

[@Okoii]

Oh hell yeah dude. Thats my jam right there.

[@tempestgrav]

And with your music n memes it becomes even more OP!

[@JWootton]

Make a video on it you scrub

[@JWootton]

Lol

[@a.hollins8691]

He's stealing your content bro!

[@BouncingTribbles]

@@a.hollins8691 just a missed opportunity for a collab

[@kubusmaximu]

'They need to fix this bug" 12:35 Luminark rolls into view

[@batuhandagl6826]

The comment I was looking for :D gave me a good laugh

[@balazsbo]

yeah that was pretty funny :D thought someone already commented this :D

[@alakorz3399]

I was shouting in my head when i saw it roll into view.

[@sorabumbayar]

@@batuhandagl6826 me too

[@uhh741]

to be fair in the end it still was bugged and blood roar was bugged the whole game

[@dark_side_cookies]

Franz: l have four armies OP: I have 13 Loremasters Franz: gg

[@rakshithanand8262]

When you remember that 3 Loremaster was enough to win the Great War against Chaos

[@bashcthu2954]

12 dudes fighting on a giant carpet of corpse's lol

[@michasokoowski6651]

We need a doomstack of 13 heroes for skaven...

[@bashcthu2954]

@@michasokoowski6651 Gotta lay that rug!

[@ftayl5]

Being Yvresse gets you 8 more MD and 10% physical resist (they're all Sentinels - free trait at level 15).

[@generalharness8266]

30% Physical, +10 ward from teclis, +10% physical from sentinels, +8% ward save, +15% from a guardian, + 8% from diamond. So can be 81% resistance from any non magical damage BEFORE EQUIPMENT. Then they can have stone assaults or black terror thing, they also have healing.

[@otwk]

@@generalharness8266 My math would be (for phys/ward save together): 30% from resilient 10% from student of Hoeth 10% from Teclis 10% from Sentinel - This is all the campaign buffs one could get, which is already 60% and quite insane Then Diamond Guardian Phoenix actually gives +12% except for the wearer who gets 8% So already 72% map-wide - Then one with resistant, so he needs a helm of Khaine for unbreakable (also gives +3% phys res I think, instead he could forego unbreakable and get better armour for 15% instead of 3%) and has missile res + mag res instead of physical but als brings Guardian. If he has also the Guardian Phoenix, then all but him are at 87% around him and only need something with a small buff Meanwhile the Guardian would be at 41% and can't take armour anymore, so at best +17% from a rare ward save amulet, for 58% Which isn't too bad And if you really want to go overboard, just confederate Imrik and get the "Shooting Star" enchanted item to get him up to 78% as well. Edit: Just realised the Guardian Phoenix is actually an amulet, so you couldn't give him another WS item.

[@generalharness8266]

​@@otwk Lord (Arch Mage) has guardian, +sword of khaine (40% ward) + Folariaths robs (50%) + Guardian Phoenix (20%) + Teclis (10% ward) + Dedicated to Isha (3%) Did not include guardian as it only effect those around it not it self if you have another Folariaths robs you can have 73% with only that Guardian and Guardian Phoenix +8 effect). So you can get 120+% with the sword of Khaine or 83% with out but unbreakable or 93% but breakable with armors of Calador (5% physical + 5% ward) or 108% breakable or 98% unbreakable with out sword with two guardian.

[@otwk]

@@generalharness8266 If you put the Guardian Phoenix on the lord you can get the Loremasters to the cap more easily, that is true, but I'd keep the lord for mobility and not with the Loremasters. Also, anything above 90% is wasted as that is where resistances are maxed, and Guardian doesn't stack (nor are there any Lords with Guardian, afaik, certainly not Archmages). Oh, and Diamond Guardian Phoenix only gives 8% to the one carrying it, the 12% only applies to all other units in the army. - And of course, making one Lord really tanky is quite easy with the HE because of Folariath's robe (and on a mage, the attack doesn't matter that much), but I was wondering how to get the full army of Loremasters to 90% without that. - Though I guess if one Loremaster is Resilient, instead of resistant, for Guardian but then has less physical resistance, Folariath's robe would work a lot better on him than wasting Shooting Star. Forgot about that earlier.

[@generalharness8266]

@@otwk I agree guardian trait does not stack but if you have two heros/lords with it in the same battle they both get the 15% benefit (if close) There are lords (Archmage) with Guardian its under the trait Protected (not Protective), it gives 20% missile & magic + guardian trait. Also ifs its a magic lord you are better off keeping them with the lore masters to punish the blobs. So again its 30 (trait) + 10 (sentinel) + 15 (guardian) + 12 (Diamond on lord) = 67% physical 10 (Teclis) + 8 (student of hoeth skill) = 18% ward. 18+63 = 85% Only need 5% from armor or amulet. Which is pretty doable.

[@Nightmare_52]

the yvresse faction gives each hero something like the dark elf "name" whenever they reach a certain level which helps in these scenarios too sentinel for example gave 10% physical resistance and 8 melee defence

[@Arigon128]

staunch line of loremasters

[@Nightstrid]

Title: Loremaster of hoeth doomstack No Teclis in the army 1/10

[@maxwhite4177]

Well, most of Teclis's loremaster buffs apply faction-wide, so its not really that big of an issue.

[@fukyomammason]

Max White I imagine it was more that Teclis is THE Loremaster of Hoeth.

[@AytonGang]

Teclis cheap chain lightning would be super good against multiple stacks of infantry as the bound spells only go so far. Also while niche the sword of Teclis would help with the recharge that he was struggling with here due to the luminarks

[@sablesword6239]

If I had put Teclis in charge of this army it would have ceased to be a Loremaster doomstack and become a Teclis doomstack, effectively negating the point I made this army to prove: that Loremasters are quite capable of taking on armies without needing the extra killing power of another mage.

[@saulgoodman3620]

@@AytonGang a generic HELF Fire mage lord does a lot more damage than teclis, because they too cast them cheaper than normal. Giving teclis only chain lightning makes him kind of weak in the game imo.

[@imatomato6402]

On the topic of the forbidden rod. If you have ward save or magic resist above 50% it deals 0 damage, try it out.

[@SirMcAwesome]

Neat! Didn't know this.

[@spergasaurus]

"I might actually use this doomstack in my high elf campaigns" And that's where it all went wrong...

[@Karina-winsmore]

Context?

[@FamousDMagnificent]

@@Karina-winsmore Legend was playing a 0 defeat campaign with the HE. He made a Loremaster doomstack towards the later part of the entire campaign and it got wrecked by the Wood Elves.

[@Karina-winsmore]

@@FamousDMagnificent F

[@darth0tator]

Sometimes I wish there would be eye tracking, just as a gimmick to know what legend is looking at and what he is missing and stuff :D

[@Sampopankki]

@@SpencerLemay Scanning for what though? The Luminarks he's so concerned about but fails to see? There really isn't much to notice in a stand still battle.

[@willfeen]

lol it was really bothering me when Legend was complaining about the Luminark bug and there was another one right there

[@owainevans89]

@@willfeen ironic really that someone who cheeses the shit out of the game, using bugs to his advantage then complains about one lol

[@owainevans89]

@TheMacel66 nope but exploits of economics and canopic jar spam is etc

[@danielgloyd4529]

Rumor has it when he plays skaven he only uses one hand.

[@exantiuse497]

CA: doesn't fix a bug that has been in the game for years Also CA: slams on every exploit that's beneficial to the player within weeks

[@7shelties]

Goodness, I was not expecting them to crush like that. It’s time to give LoH a second look.

[@justdracir8197]

Loremasters in Tabletop: Guess i will die Loremasters in Total War Warhammer 2: So you have chosen death!

[@Honyakusha]

Definitely changed my opinion about LoH's and excited to make one of my own for sure. Thanks for the video Legend and also huge kudos to brainchild of this beauty.

[@SirMcAwesome]

You'll have to go through a lot of pain before you get to experience the pleasure. Setting this up is tedious and very time consuming. This guy didn't even bother getting a full stack because he probably got tired of it.

[@Honyakusha]

@@SirMcAwesome yea, i know but as term goes "no pain no gain" just want to fool around and get some epic battle, that's what all total war for.

[@sablesword6239]

@@SirMcAwesome the main reason it's not a full stack is because I didn't start recruiting it until at least turn 150. Setting up the actual battle was pretty tedious however.

[@687grayfox]

@@sablesword6239 is this your save? You're a legend if so.

[@sablesword6239]

@@687grayfox It is. I'm hardly the first person to have done it, just the first person to send it in.

[@kundrad8398]

4:05 imagine stalking your way to your enemies with such bird.

[@pangalaxar1991]

21:44 I AM NOT IN DANGER, SKYLER. I AM THE DANGER.

[@talilover5979]

Did anybody else just constantly eye that luminark that was driving around as legend talked about the bug?

[@Remanada1]

Lol that separated loremaster standing in a heap of corpses

[@randaru1527]

Luminark at 0 HP: *'tis but a scratch!*

[@bigolbearthejammydodger6527]

conductor (think thats the name) is also a good choice for Lore masters, gives them arcane conduit. Lore masters also make excellent road blocks for protecting the archers, and they come with some bonus magic.

[@unteejo3678]

And this is resilient to Pompous Doomstack too.

[@Tatuks]

I was making bets in my mind on when he notices the luminark going around in the middle of the screen.

[@flamehad3630]

While the video was very impressive and informative the real drama for me was the lone loremaster. It was like watching savings private Ryan! Was he going to make it back to his fellow loremasters? Or was he going to be dragged down by greatswords, Knights and heros? After he lost a quarter of his health in the first 5 min it didn't look good!

[@okupant880]

The 12 Elven samurai

[@danpitzer765]

Tanking stuff is exactly what I use Loremasters for. But now that I've seen what they can do in a group...oh boy.

[@lennhsu]

Loremaster have the unique synergy with HE by providing earth blood for army without Life mage, allowing you to run any other more offensive centered lore you prefer while still able to heal your dragon/lord/hero. Spirit Leech is also pretty good for single unit sniping. They are also quite tanky. If you do not run resilient trait you can also look for ones with innate arcane conduit, this allows the Loremaster to serve as an extra mana battery. I have never played Legendary so I can't comment on that but I like them a lot in Very Hard games.

[@SereglothIV]

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that one loremaster has a different portrait? :P

[@leto22cz]

@Char Aznable One of them is a Lord....

[@Oliolli3]

Legend needs to find a way to abuse The Bug so that CA will fix it.

[@MrMcm12]

There was still one Luminarc on the battelfield

[@darkrite9000]

@@MrMcm12 Setting aside the fact that it's possible that it left when the rest of the army routed (though it could've been the last thing on the battlefield routing when Legend killed the steam tanks). The bug does exist as Karl Franz's passive was still applied despite being ultra dead, or rather captured at the time. So CA still needs to fix it.

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

We've been telling you for months that the Loremaster stack is amazing. The hero is stupidly durable, has access to a good spell and passive selection, and can get a 20% base ward save (10% from their melee line and 10% from one of Teclis' skills). Combo that with the Resilient trait and an item that gives them another 50% physical resistance and you have a super durable army that is so difficult to stop.

[@cateto4029]

Legend: don't hit a moving target with that Prince: I will

[@honnorgaurd]

im really surprised you dont find loremasters that useful in your armies man. i always have one in my infantry-based armies as i feel they really are the best HE unit to lead/support them into a fight. hitting power and durability of a legit lord, but with all the supporting spells of a spellcaster. they're amazing

[@arthanor9631]

Legend learned something? 11/10 doomstack 👍

[@687grayfox]

Salute to that guy with that glorious testing campaign set up.

[@swiftdasher]

This was somehow stupid strong even with the constant winds blocking. Neat.

[@Shero1337]

Day 489 of asking CA to fix the persistent passive beyond death bug.

[@quettle]

As he says that, there is an other right on the bottom of his screen

[@blackknight4152]

@@quettle watch until the end, he ends up fighting unbreakable Steam tanks and the debuff stayed even when all the luminarks were gone from the battlefield.

[@bitzangubbinzondaleft]

To this point I think they don't know how to fix it. If they could, they would've.

[@chedhead158]

@@bitzangubbinzondaleft I'm pretty sure they can fix it by adding a "Disabled/Enabled if" option.

[@bitzangubbinzondaleft]

@@chedhead158 that does sound plausible, though programming can have weird issues, like working when you know it shouldn't or it doesn't when you did it perfectly. I say this because a corporation like CA hasn't squished this bug, knowing this for years now. I think that it's alot more difficult then adding a few lines. Granted, I'm really bad at coding.

[@gabrielmontenegro9476]

At first I thought the balance of power was drunk, but now I see the Loremasters are like Jedi.

[@jferrante831]

I actually like Loremasters a lot. I usually go Archmage of light or fire so I want a tank and healing in my army, plus a little extra winds of magic.

[@GorNaKat]

It's basically an extended (and a bit anime) D&D party at this point :D

[@Achillez098]

Karl Franz: "The enemy only has 13 men, we have 4 armies, and several Luminarks to prevent them from regenerating magic!" Balthazar Gelt: "And we have ME! THE SUPREME PATRIARCH! This battle is already won!" Asur Lord and Loremasters: (grins)

[@patrickb.8485]

You've inspired me to revive an old High elf campaign I left unfinished just so I can make a Loremaster doom stack :)

[@thegreentoga1041]

Legend : "I don't see another luminark" Me: HES BEHINNNND YOUU!!! Luminark: (jus sittin behind legends camera the whole time) 17:25

[@grade14]

The brilliant thing about this doomstack is that you can casually recruit it on the side as their capacity is increased by the same building that is giving you entrepreneur mages. I will definitely consider this in my next HE campaign.

[@iunary]

they are quite badass, they also gain like 30 or 40 or something melee defence from their skilltree as well... making them quite hard to hit , on top of being small targets, and all their melee swings wiht the 2hand swords do aoe damage as well, a stack of loremasters of hoeth wipe out infantry like you wouldnt believe..... and single entities as well, since they can all gang up on them with ease

[@henningpatz7687]

i mean stacking them is nice for having some fun in the endgame, but i find them pretty useful in other regards. trait : disiple buffs your caster lord ( and you dont really need more then 1 per army with the trait) conductor adds a acrane conduit to this loremaster, pretty nice for armys that deal alot of there dmg by magic and theree iis one that give +12 MD to your phoenix units (+ some other stuff ) just 3 of those will turn a rank 9 phoenix into a pretty durable unit that doesnt mind to be in long melee

[@Ceronia]

Hey legend, there are another Luminas in the fray...I think. Around 13:00~13:50 you should see it in the mix, and in the corner near the magic counter.

[@praise_kek340]

again T-pose in the start

[@omertarkcakmak9753]

Loremasters of hoeth with arcane conduit trait are pretty useful. Coupled with an arch mage general you get 2 arcane conduits from the get go.

[@jbdougy9290]

This is one reason why the Asür are tied with The Lizardmen for my favorite Warhammer race.

[@laidbackkodiak]

The actual pile of empire bodies by the end of that battle was epic

[@icephoenix1079]

The most powerful doom stack, even if your army breaks it will keep on fighting.

[@krankarvolund7771]

I've read "swordmasters of Hoeth doomstack" I was wondering how that could be a thing XD

[@generalharness8266]

They can get 18% ward save with no equipment as well as 30(trait)+10(sentinel)+15(guardian)+8(diamond item) physical before equipment.

[@aslad11]

This video was all about "But leeegeend! There is a luminarc right theeeeeere, looook! :)

[@SimpleReally]

I love how this guy is using the empire as a lab rat, empire armies do remind me of the skaven somewhat

[@BouncingTribbles]

I have found lore masters useful as secondary healers and mana batteries. Their battlefield position as a counter charger/anti flanker is very handy, but I am playing at 80 unit cap because of my toaster.

[@erennaslca5799]

lizardmen is jealous of that skull pyramid you build there

[@Nglidkwhattoput]

5:46 is that left-click+drag making the dragon attack faster?? Or am I overthinking it

[@doktarr]

I'd say this one is weaker than the Vampire/Tor Gaval ones just due to lack of mobility. You had to deal with Luminarks using the Lord (which took some finesse) and when that one got separated it took a while to bring him back.

[@JesterForHire1663]

And they're sentinels. Damn lotta Melee Def on that.

[@Raider33]

When you and the squad go out to crush the empire of man.

[@jesseAC8]

I like the LOH, they are an unappreciated unit. I can understand why they aren't as popular as most people would just get a noble for melee or a mage for casting. But, the LOH a pretty good anti-infantry unit with ward save, armor-piercing, and providing magic reserve. Good all around unit actually. Plus, since they made changes to lords and heroes on foot, they are much more viable.

[@TWBluerose]

Those arcane addicted loremasters. Always on their way to get rid of the next luminark.

[@manpersal]

There was a dwarf in the dungeon, so they probably had regeneration.

[@ryomakai]

Yes-Yes, Torturer of hoeth strikes again

[@marcosgonza]

I am really enjoying this series!

[@Witch_King]

Sometimes I recruit Loremasters with the trait which gives additional Arcane Conduit because there is never enough WoM. Though I still believe that they're the least useful of all HE heroes. Like Skaven's chief, but more useful

[@shimmereyes8984]

They are Jedi, they can do whatever they want, even the impossible

[@calaranisordo5709]

That doomstack is very powerful but I wouldn't just do resilient trait. Loremasters also have disciple which reduces lord spell cooldown time and increases lord melee defense. I would get me 5 of those as well and a life archmage so I can spam dwellers and use loremaster death passive to compensate for the magic loss.

[@Debilinside]

Dwellers would wreck infantry blobbing up on them. Thats a good idea. I'm not sure about extra melee defence tho, they are above 100 as they are, I think most infantry already has the minimum chance to hit them.

[@calaranisordo5709]

The melee defense only applies to the lord, not the heros. It makes the archmage more tanky in melee.

[@generalharness8266]

Not really needed, the single use items (assault of stone/black horror/fire bird) give you counters to blobbed inf.

[@SaphinaraDraconis]

There was a Luminark at the bottom of your stack after the other left the battlefield when you complained about the debuff not dropping off.

[@Riwillion]

Loremasters have always been super good and powerful, the issue is that they simple don´t synergize well with HE armies at all. It is like getting Malus and giving him a doomstack of darkshards; they will likely get overrun before Malus loses 10% of his regen, and will inflict the army losses, taking Malus out with them. Although against AI, I suppose getting 4-8 loremasters to just hold the line should work nicely.

[@aidenpons9584]

This battle was never going to be difficult, but one thing Legend didn't do was spam Foe-Seeker. It gives vigour, and, due to how gaining vigour works, doesn't reduce vigor when it wears off (unlike the speed buff, which goes away when the duration is over, ofc). This means it's basically free vigour, which does help out in these massive melee grinds when everyone's Exhausted. Plus, as everyone has it and it's on the same cooldown, you can just select them all and click the button - unlike the micro-heavy individual abilities like Helm of Discord.

[@macgargan1207]

A much worse part of this bug is when you kill the Fay enchantress. Her mortis engine style drain stays on all the units that were around her when she died. I lost 2 units of veteran black orcs this way.

[@-Teres]

Where was this army when the Westfold fell?

[@s4bc]

Good one :)

[@brandonjarvis1987]

its not a bug, its a legendary feature.

[@steakdriven]

Nice one of these days I'd like to show off my handmaiden Doom stack

[@saulgoodman3620]

I actually like to employ the LoH in my Sister armies. They are excellent tanks and they can heal. So imagine you face several armies in a row with a stack of one hero each, the hero mage being a lightmage, the generic lord being a fire mage and the rest sisters. Most of the damage can be tanked by the heroes and the LoH can heal. If you hadn't the LoH, the heroes would take damage and each successive army would grind you down. This way you can heal and mitigate the damage to your sisters by taking on captives. Which makes the LoH a lot better than an additional sister. So LoHs are not the best heroes by themselves. But they are superb teamplayers.

[@giraffejerold7642]

The body piles. My god.

[@Momotaicho]

So I tried this. It was taking way too long to get all resilient Loremasters so I got mainly Loremasters but also 3 Nobles, 3 Handmaidens, 3 arcane phoenix's, 3 dragons and a fire mage. All including the lord were resilient (apart from mage obviously). I never even needed to use the dragons etc. They are practically invincible with all the other equipment for more ward save etc. Could easily take on 4 full stacks repeatedly. Only used magic to speed stuff up!

[@christhovhannisyan2074]

Legend of Total War ! Youre the greatest thing to happen to youtube ! If the master of cheese notices this comment, i will cheese the fields of battle today !

[@brandonjarvis1987]

the field of battle will be covered in cheese it seems

[@christhovhannisyan2074]

@@brandonjarvis1987 yes ! I already parked 20 star dragons in the corner of the map to get kholek a legendary ass beating

[@connoroshea8064]

Loved this, any chance of an Eltharion ME campaign to get all these doomstacks rolling across the map??

[@espatecfuet7968]

with 120+ melee defense and all the resistances, their war chant sure is... Can't be touched Can't be stopped Can't be moved Can't be rocked Can't be shook We hot When will you druchiis learn...

[@youtubersbs2009]

I was thinking about this stack, however with the medic trait instead, I've had a loremaster basically hold the line and win a game for me with that trait so 19 of them would be nuts.

[@Alej0xXx]

You don't need all them of them being resilient while farming traits, you can get vigorous too which gives perfect vigour and 15% ward save (better than unbrekable and 20% phisical resistance).

[@jonemirant8607]

lol i like to think this guy actually farm the trait as well as the same face, except that one dude with different face

[@ryanschmidt3319]

What I am curious about is the total ward save, physical resist, and magic resist because I think I saw one of these that had 37% Ward save and 59% magic resist (functionally 96% magic resist) and with a minimum 10/20% physical resist getting physical resist to either 50 or 60%. Basically anything is strong if you effectively double or more it's hitpoints.

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

That’s only 12 of them. With a full stack it’d be even more absurd.

[@iainballas]

I guess Malus, transformed, with the aid of the SoK would have some fun there. Backed up by 19 Masters

[@aayushpurswani9630]

that sigh at 17:19 i felt that

[@paulmouatib9999]

It's not everyday legend can learn something after 5000 hours into this game.... nice doom stack

[@smokinggnu6584]

I like using Loremasters in my SOA stacks. gives a single entity unit to tank at the front while sisters shoot stuff around him. They're pretty tanky.

[@Debilinside]

Also adds arcane conduit and some extra healing. Even can duel some lords and heroes due the high weapon strenght.

[@reynan722]

I used that doomstock but with Teclis as lord , for me it is the most Powerful doomstock. They can kill any single entity instantly and regular army have no chance against them

[@allisdust5717]

They made a mountain of corpses.

[@Elandrianthetrue]

Something about 12 Elves just slaughtering thousands of Humans just fits so well in my view of fantasy. Elves just being superior in every way.

[@WilliamnotW]

Huh, campaign-wise I think loremasters are great. They're an infantry anchor and with a little investment they have decent spells and are very sturdy. A good unit to leave on the front lines while your more mobile heroes and generals fly around and snipe stuff.

[@MeanMan444]

I am acrually thinking of an HE campaign where every single one of my armies is a different doomstack

[@KangarooLord]

That got to be the most powerful doomstack. I can't think of any amry comp that can beat it.

[@MrFallenone]

Loremasters melt infantry like butter. If they had a mount they would be possibly the best hero in the game.

[@tulkdog]

I always use Loremasters in my army. They are decently tanky and bring healing

[@jferrante831]

Same here. Plus you get access to so many of them and really only need fecund trait for growth while using 0 influence ones in army.

[@rebol6497]

CA fixes cheese, keeps the bugs. Very nice.

[@vangorf3081]

It wasnt a bug, there was another Luminark, it even shows up on the screen

[@MrLetsrage2]

@@vangorf3081 at the end the de buff still persists

[@SirMcAwesome]

@@vangorf3081 now we all know you didn't watch the video till the end. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

[@jezinci16]

Chaos sorcerers with infernal dominance is also really good