Ravens Goes Over Every Mistake TSM Made at LAN

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[@TheSlasher92]

He’s been around Hal so long he talks just like him lmao

[@mornotafi]

😭

[@SunFlower-wy6nm]

Brooo

[@Fatpumpumlovah2]

no its called talking like an adult male not a rainbow soyboy.

[@dustingregoire7201]

💯

[@flightsggaming]

lol I noticed that as well.

[@skatef0sho]

I feel like evans tendency to play like an anchor is because hes afraid to die and get shit on by hals needless degrading yelling.

[@davedavis2132]

summary: 'yeah this was bad' 'no comment, MOVING ON'

[@dresnyd]

He's not wrong about needing psychos in your team. But you need calculated psychos. Otherwise you get teams doing sh!t like 2R1C did :D

[@TheMildGamer12]

Raven is an interesting chap, sometimes his takes are super analytical and good and others are…. Questionable

[@arctictropic1147]

Mostly questionable

[@supakungfumastah7789]

well if you are looking back for mistake you nearly always find the problem and can point that out

[@TheMildGamer12]

@@supakungfumastah7789he just seems like he always takes up for Hal and gives him every excuse in the world but rags on Evan and Jordan 24/7. Not fair at all in my eyes

[@Danny-zg5gn]

@@TheMildGamer12 evan and reps played dogshit at this lan what r u saying ofc they will get the most rag

[@gogoof1791]

@@Danny-zg5gnthe entire team played terrible but go off champ lol never Hal’s fault

[@onit_4208]

Bro seems very sneaky

[@uwu_wookie]

So did you as the coach give any suggestions to Evan on ways he could have adjusted his game to be more aggressive?

[@Spectrasweapon1]

Probably by saying "u have to get better" and not actually showing/creating a practice ground for him

[@NiggaTalkReal]

Doesn't work like that, you can't change someone's instincts

[@uwu_wookie]

@@Spectrasweapon1 Right I completely agree with you. I don’t think it a fair portrayal that Raven is giving of Evan’s role on the team especially when he isn’t explaining ways he tried to adjust his role.

[@crystalf3063]

But he literally said that's not Evans' play style. That's like asking Hal not to be a fragger. Stay back and anchor. It won't work, so they have to work around it.

[@uwu_wookie]

@@crystalf3063 If you were to tell Hal that Evan is an anchor he wouldn’t agree though this is contradicting to what Raven is saying it still would have been nice to know if he tried to coach Evan up to the role that was needed. At the of the day Evan is a professional and should have the ability to adapt and improve to the teams needs.

[@timothywaddell8566]

Raven is the reason big E performed poorly. TSM on the whole actually, but specially Evan. Why tf is he on defensive legends when he is one of the best fraggers in the game? Reps should play that role, not Evan. Huge mistake by Raven to flatline Evan like that and it spiraled into shitty comps, bad rotations, and bad plays. TSM is the BEST when they are aggressive. Raven saying Evan can't play aggressive is absolute braindead trash.

[@Nightstick24]

Are you deaf? Or are you brain dead? Raven addressed that directly. He DIDN’T MAKE EVAN DO ANYTHING. HE DOESN’T CONTROL THEIR LEGEND CHOICE OR ROLES. Evan naturally plays defensive and was more comfortable there. He ALWAYS HAS. He absolutely CAN roll people, he’s an amazing player, he’s a massive asset to TSM, but go watch him back when he first joined, go watch him before he was with TSM, he is and ALWAYS has been a defensive player. He’s NEVER been the aggressive entry fragger, unless he’s been forced into it. And TSM did so unbelievably better with Raven. Go back and watch them before Raven and after, the difference is clear as day. They might’ve placed better before they had him, but any random diamond player would curb stomp professional teams from back then, the game has reached a different level of competitive now. TSM would not be around without Raven, gun skills don’t cut it anymore.

[@psychjob83]

One take nobody is saying...maybe the new armor change with evo harvesters leveled out the competition. Just throwing it out there. Going into later rounds with blue armor is absolutely a handicap. Thoughts???

[@Arakari]

Fair point. But if you're smart, a triple blue team can take a triple purp team at least 7/10 times.

[@spicyboy_17]

Given equal skill, in a fair 3v3 triple purple should win every time. The only reason zone teams win on triple blue is positioning diff

[@Arakari]

@@spicyboy_17 agreed

[@Taylor_King]

I thought Evan was entry/way more aggro when he was with doop and skittle? Feel like they forced him into a role he was never suited to

[@tomblack4796]

Trying to exceed expectations > Trying to meet expectations

[@Official_ADub]

Ravens going to coach tripods

[@bal7530]

nicky merky MFAM hahhahahaa

[@chao5__]

there is no hope for tripods until botmercs leaves.

[@Official_ADub]

@@chao5__ he’s already left?

[@Official_ADub]

been left lmao

[@chao5__]

@@Official_ADub nice

[@thepenguin4379]

This guy gets so triggered whenever a fan gives an opinion

[@Energyswordsunday]

imagine you have 1000 nats in your ear, you would be too LOL

[@StryfeStrafes]

Or hear me out he's just passionate about the game

[@richarddelossantosvalera6401]

On these few vods that Raven reviewed, Evan was committing the most mistakes imo.

[@richarddelossantosvalera6401]

@@YouNeedToHitTheRangeMore True, there's no way to check an specific pov, but if you see the trades he was losing many of them

[@Jdrunnin]

​@@richarddelossantosvalera6401 to be fair, caustics big ass hit box doesnt help

[@romanrules007]

@@Jdrunninthat’s why Watson better

[@Fatpumpumlovah2]

beg to differ... Evan was not the one bang ulting his own team and throwing caustic and bang ults in the wrong direction.

[@richarddelossantosvalera6401]

@@Fatpumpumlovah2 he had to switch from caustic because he threw caustic ult in the start of a wraith portal instead of the end..💀

[@cygnuscraft9544]

bugs me that they brag about about the double con when they lost so many of those 3v3s from 2 different teams who don't have the biggest org backing them with the best coach or analysts walking in from weaker regions. like, acknowledge you lost the actual con and only played well when you avoid a con you couldnt win lol. it's the 2nd best team losing to LAN randoms. those fights were very foreshadowing for the whole event.

[@rickylopez2011]

I had the same reaction as they did about the 2r1c fight... i thought we were watching a rannked game at that point

[@cjcharles602]

Hes a good coach and i respect the skills. But damn he seems so annoying talking to chat.

[@TokenEdits]

the glazing is crazy

[@Theturthwill]

Raven take accountability. You moved their landed spot on storm point and changed their identity to in ring fighting to edge ring fighting. What a clown

[@JCCOOLDOWN]

Needs to be looked at after all that's happened in the game. So much going on. Pog

[@soccerguy2433]

"is losing fun? Then what are you have fun for?"

[@SAVAGE_D3MON]

Not going to cap. EVAN trolled every fight

[@donfavio]

Dude dipped as soon as TSM lost

[@roageapex8738]

looking like dr evil in the thumbnail.

[@unscarred444]

Blaming evan lol

[@TheBestofJuan]

raven has quite the personality lol

[@MrConraad]

This is going to be the biggest list in history when it’s a 26 min video 😂

[@keitaowl]

If all of TSM literally says they likes Raven and thinks he was a great coach then our opinion should be somewhat the same. They have time with him we don't

[@Nendo249]

Making it to Lan Finals even though you’re playing like crap is the only good thing about tsm this past LAN

[@intoxicados9767]

Looks like Hal was carrying

[@zeronin4696]

Tbh Hal often carried the fights coz he does so much entry dmg in 3v3s and gets one guy on a flank

[@crypticfallacy4924]

Saying verhulst is not aggressive is why you did poorly at lan bro

[@tragedy8365]

Clueless comment section xD

[@DJP-cy9qq]

Ong

[@jr5296]

Please educate us

[@tragedy8365]

@@jr5296 Watch some more of his VOD reviews also on other teams than his own. He had a YT channel where he uploaded some analysis dk if it’s still up, but anybody that has seen them will know he’s goated.

[@sepi8867]

Raven matches nickmers energy

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

Fighting in trenches is straight RNG.

[@tommydracule7558]

it was a tough day for Evan

[@Taranis2b]

9:07 Yeah, and now try to explain that to your randoms in ranked.

[@Michael-vw4cg]

I feel like he’s gonna have a huge reality check if he leaves TSM lol

[@rubegoldbergzz_zz8602]

u need to teach evan how to play aggressive smart

[@xxkhaoticshotsxx6401]

Every gamer ever trying to justify why they played like dog water always makes me laugh uncontrollably

[@Fatpumpumlovah2]

i will maintain reps screwed both chances of comeback, first bang ulting his own team and then being utterly useless as caustic.

[@rekthereaper3760]

Sorta sounds like evan is gonna be let go

[@darksideknight33x85]

I think horizon can entry frag at the very least secondary frag due to her passive making her fast as shit alone.

[@javiderivia4224]

Like raven said low level elo, the problem is we never been in those pro games where everyone hits they shoots and pubish every mistake u make, thats why you think that about horizon

[@zeronin4696]

​@@javiderivia4224thats not true. Yanya played a lot of Horizon even with the nerfs and his team did very well. He just switched to Bang for last pro league days and splitoffs 1 coz shes better for rotations and endgame but just search for his scrim and ALGS games on Horizon. Dude was a menace

[@bllumipanta1258]

This man is annoying AF!

[@Moon_Knight1738]

evan was making bad mistakes and jordan gets rollered every time

[@NyawttyClips]

he thinks hal is better than evan lmao

[@CoinsWorthMoney]

What does Raven actually do? After being with this team for as long as he has and all I hear is "I don't know" is not what you want to hear if you are looking to hire someone to help your team. I know he knows the game, and he makes sense in a lot of the things he says about it, but this split was doomed months ago and not a whole lot was done to change it. It was like it was tunnel vision from the beginning with how things were going to be. I know they mixed it up a little but settle on a meta that was not the strength of the players, according to Raven himself and forced it. He talks about how we as viewers that watch these guys play all the time don't understand their play style. After placing 17th, I don't think he did either. Yes, the players are to blame I as well get that. But as a coach it's going to fall back on you. I will be honest I am not sure what an "Apex Esport Coach" actually does or if they actually have any say over the team at all? Is it different for each organization? Are they being there to moderate the players egos. Do they Coach? Are they strategist? Are they organizers? I have coached traditional sports for over 20 years, yes, it's different I know. The reason I watch is I play Apex and my son plays at a high level (not a pro).

[@Reidemptionv1]

Are you expecting Raven to be as in-depth on a twitch stream as he is during his “working” hours? Why would he give away his secrets for free? I’m not a rider of any coach, but no esport coach really goes that deep into the game as they do behind the scenes

[@arcc4]

I would guess that most of his job is analytics, information, and strategy not so much a player or training coach. He'll be the one to watch 12 hours of POVs from nearby teams to learn their rotations and timings that can be explained to the players in an hour. He is the one digging or finding the information about zone exclusion areas, POI loot weights, and heat map the highest winning% starting POIs. Lastly, I'm sure hes always trying to keep up with what the next meta might be, counters, etc...

[@gabeitches87]

​@@Reidemptionv1 "his secrets" lmao

[@StompOnStef]

The role of a coach varies from team to team depending on how involved they want the coach to be, but I can say that even when Raven (or any other coach) misses, the difference in playstyle between teams with them and without them is like night and day - Teams without coaches look like they're playing ranked, with minimal strategy and widely varying results. Coaches generally will plan your macro (Among other things) so that the IGL and other players can focus more on fight-to-fight moments. Things like loot pathing, choosing a POI, rotation choices, awareness of surrounding teams, anticipating enemy rotations, how to properly challenge contests, vod reviewing, team composition, correcting utility usage... all things that can be done by a coach so the players can focus on shooting their gun and winning fights. Actual teamfighting (So aiming, and positioning) is probably not micromanaged in the same way you might micromanage people in traditional sports unless somebody is making a serious mistake - This stuff is more left to the player's discretion. In traditional sports it would be more equivilent to choosing the formation and strategy, writing the playbook before the game starts, making players aware of their role within the team, and making the captain (IGL) aware of what plan he must execute, much less to do with play-by-play coaching and corrections. The key difference probably being that esports coaches cannot communicate with their team during the games.

[@DJP-cy9qq]

🤡

[@Ziddy2349]

Reps is an anchor who cannot play any MNK character or contribute damage at the pro level . Unable to use basic abilities or understand his cooldowns

[@javiderivia4224]

Bro 😂 reps is one of the most consistent players of all time in apex, you are just a hater tbh 😂

[@Ziddy2349]

@@javiderivia4224 yeah consistently carried by Hal when skill level was less relevant and gun skill mattered far less

[@javiderivia4224]

@@Ziddy2349 stop the cap 🤣 and stop liking your own dumb coments hahhahahahha

[@cb7636]

I start to like taxi more than this dude, imagine.

[@Asdayasman]

There's just something about Raven I don't trust. Hard to put my finger on it. Things like 23:16 hyping up how he was laughing so hard at 2R1C's play and he's clearly visible in the background zero reaction, 23:39 feels so much like forced laughter/cope... And in the last video where he's talking about how he left TSM to get a bigger bag, but there's a non zero chance of him going back to TSM, but no he's not going back, can you guess who he's going to chat? No not them. No not them. No not them. Well it will all make sense soon! I dunno, it just seems like he's trying to sell this image of who he thinks he is, or who he wants other people to think he is, rather than being genuine. Maybe I'm crazy.

[@Decki777]

Apex comp is not entertaining to watch because of mix input of rollers and mnk .

[@Ziddy2349]

RR rolled your shit on aggro horizon just saying…

[@GirthosaurusRex]

What’s the point of a coach if your players make mistakes lol

[@ryanmathis7404]

Verhulst was ass

[@krisxpytot]

bro you sound like hal lmao i mean that with love and i agree with you on most everything you said especially about horizon she has become useless in ranked once you get up to plat lol

[@cygnuscraft9544]

hard to trust raven sometimes given he dogged on lifeline in comp and then they started playing LL once aurora was having success with it on LAN.

[@Nightstick24]

Imagine that, metas change and people try new things. Shocking, really. He should really use his crystal ball to see the future and know exactly what every team ever is going to do for all of time.

[@librarian3111]

Players win, coaches lose. Like his analysis sometimes, but he got the most fake laugh ever.

[@GuyTakiSauce]

Youre the biggest problem they had, you gave up before LAN even started because you know you arent sticking around. Go pretend youre worth over a million dollars to talk 😂

[@Simple.Wordless]

TSM is AI

[@sodacaps3998]

"This is why you're casual and why we are competing" is such a asshole thing to say to a chat member just trying to be nice.

[@sodacaps3998]

It's nuts that people are actually fans of TSM with how much they treat their fans like shit.

[@malyman316]

First ans worsr mistake , didnt use roller for aim assist advantage

[@Abdullah______]

They are using it

[@Energyswordsunday]

TSM fans are horrid, layoff Raven LOL (he witawally)

[@pewlynndonsuarez2710]

too much word. its simple. Asians are just better. and they are starting to takeover this game. gitgud

[@Abdullah______]

Bro what 😂😂

[@PicklesTW]

raven fell off

[@StopTellin]

Love seeing hal lose hes a no life toxic nerd

[@0maxk_]

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