Raw vs Nitro "Reliving The War": Episode 102 - October 6th 1997

[@greghill00]

Wrestling Bios has, in my mind, risen from "backup to other wrestling channels" to "one of the better ones" to "best wrestling channel on youtube" to "most essential viewing on youtube". The production, effort and passion put in to this channel is just superb.

[@PSU4ever11]

Jesus Christ, that Pillman interview. Surprised Vince didn’t make her say, “this isn’t the WWF’s fault."

[@dnakatomiuk]

It's what he was trying to actually do why they condemned him for it, he was hoping she would slip up so they could use it if she took them to court

[@mcgannahanskyjellyfetti6854]

...and NOW she's gone!

[@Klontruppe]

"Shawn Michaels has the Kliq, Alex Wright has the Diq!" Absolutely GOATed

[@ItsShaz1]

lol I spat out my water on that one!

[@Zero_Shinobi]

Based.

[@UndergroundSkat2000]

"Beeg bratwurst"

[@nigelgreen4526]

That was straight outta left field 🏑😂

[@stevenanderson5319]

You have made Alex Wright an absolute legend. He's a highlight for me every week 👍

[@theonewhowokeup9987]

Right on 👍👍

[@ItsShaz1]

Agreed

[@braylonlewis8706]

If you're fan of OSW. Alex Wright is definitely part of the boy stable.

[@Vladraac]

Big bratwurst

[@sebideee]

@@theonewhowokeup9987 Wright on

[@XKTwentyFive]

That comment Hall made about he and Nash injuring themselves from watching Zbyszko's matches legit made me crack up! That was great!

[@alexmontgomery3656]

And I realize that we'll be dealing with alot of early passings throughout this series but I'd just like to pay respect to Brian. A guy who was truly CAPTIVATING, and a man who helped the wrestling business in a transition to realism. A guy who began to go against the grain, and developed a TRULY UNIQUE character that could have been revolutionary(more than he already was). I still remember the first time I saw him in ECW, and couldn't believe what I was seeing and was a fan instantly. Thank you Brian, for your little piece of this business you/we love and providing me entertainment. Anytime people talk about the transition to the "Attitude Era", you should be credited.

[@choke9270]

I respect you booker man” The loose canon gimmick was such a missed opportunity. God bless Brian Pillman.

[@renatop2610]

Is Rick Rude the next passing?

[@Pensfan5919]

@@renatop2610 I believe it goes Louie Spicolli, then Monsoon tribute, then Rude, then Owen.

[@dwightyboy5324]

​@@Pensfan5919now that you mention it, 1999 was a tough year in terms of passing. Three legends in Monsoon, Rude, and Owen all dying in the same year, that's just depressing when you think about it. Rest In Peace to those three.

[@thisisnotachannel]

Even back when it first aired, I found Vince interviewing Brian's widow on RAW to be in poor taste. And I was 17 years old.... so there wasn't much at that point that I did consider to be in "poor taste".

[@revevil]

Even better when you remember that Brian's last appearance was him strongly implying he was raping Marlena.

[@mikescott8903]

No you didn't

[@wbbooth]

You want a new episode of Reliving the War at the exact moment you start to crave it? You're gonna get one.

[@Derek-tk4wf]

This tiime frame is probably my peak markdome as a wrestling fan. Going to scoops and every wrestling insider site almost daily and discussing in detail with friends and classmates. Almost a quarter century ago. Damn I'm old.

[@fightingcock8096]

Ya I’m old too😏

[@MooncricketsInc]

'97 to '22 is a quarter century..

[@thetheRedundant]

You can feel the heat between Bret and Shawn coming through the screen

[@ashbaybay]

"Shawn Michaels!" "yes, bret hart" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@willfordTHE4th]

He was such an ass lolol

[@mrmoose6619]

Welcome to Thursday Afternoon Reliving the War. The greatest pro wrestling show on the KZbins. Thanks once again for this trip down memory lane. I am once again excited for this week.

[@xymoriintus]

There is just something about these Irishmen and a gift of gab with wrestling content

[@gmsbyoungsta1058]

Wrestling bios is better than modern day wrestling. WWE might need to see if wrestling bios can help there creativity. Because the WWE just all over the place now days... Thanks for the 103 episodes and all of your uploads. Hope u can make it thru 2001 invasion lol but dont detail it I think wrestling died that day.. Much love

[@manraisedbypuffins9080]

Yo Bios...... Play that F*****G Music!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@zemox2534]

Bios is better than WWE not all modern wrestling dude

[@tonycondegnimustafa435]

@@gmsbyoungsta1058 k

[@carlosmontesinos1544]

Cornette ranting about the current product and being nostalgic for the territories has been a recurrent on-camera segment in wrestling for 25 years. That's twice the lifespan WCW had.

[@WillsonT011]

I'm sorry but if Jim cornette had his way, the Attitude Era wouldn't have happened and we would have missed out on such great moments😱 Jim may be a wrestling genius when it comes to what he knows but he's not 100% correct all the time and he would have blown it big time if he was in charge of the Attitude Era because it wouldn't have happened with his type of thinking of what wrestling should be. Remember it's because of the Attitude Era, we then got the Ruthless Aggression era, which is also great

[@namikstudios]

25 years is not twice as long as 70.... WCW was founded in 1931 as JCP (Jim Crockett Promotions). JCP was renamed World Championship Wrestling, which was the name previously used by it's flagship TV show on Turner station TBS, when Ted Turner purchased JCP from Crockett.

[@HybridSnake]

This is honestly my fav. channel right now. Always get hyped when I see the upload. Its amazing to not only relive those times, but to catch on stuff I missed back then because I lived in Puerto Rico and we didn't have cable, so I used to get the news from my hs friend. Keep up the good job, man

[@zemox2534]

At last. The Raw debut of my favourite wrestler of the attitude era. I loved Kane when I first saw him..His costume was cool, and his entrance was amazing.

[@sean6781]

Unfortunately his character was destroyed by Vince. He could have been at the same level as the Undertaker and Vince would have had another reliable and loyal main eventer till the 2010s only if Vince had booked him properly, but Vince liked sucking upto disloyal wrestlers who didn't care about WWE and would keep on booking them to be main eventers.

[@sonnyleesmith]

I’m really looking forward to Booker’s maturation as a singles competitor. Despite WCW’s demise, he became a super stud and hall-of-famer

[@joeduff8761]

I remember those Cornette shoot promos, i was 12-13 at the time and a die hard wwf fan, loved that they let Cornette go on and let loose on where he thought the wrestling business was and what it could/should be.

[@jules7209]

And now he does it on a podcast and is hilarious

[@StageRight123]

@@jules7209 Ah, I see you're a fellow cult member. Corny and Brian are absolutely hilarious.

[@Pensfan5919]

Just as long as he didn't use any of Carlin's Seven Words, he was in the clear. Remember, JC was a part of creative until 98-99.

[@Subhan______]

@@Pensfan5919 97 aswell

[@AmazingGuy13]

Pretty eerie to see Owen Hart during a 10 bell salute in Kansas City

[@marccaselle8108]

Yes, knowing now what happened to the poor man.

[@makaveli4205]

Lot of wrestlers died within a short period of time back than. That's why WWE is so boring now.

[@sharmat1611]

Oh *jesus*

[@chillpengeru]

​@@marccaselle8108yes obviously

[@mikescott8903]

Why? ​@@chillpengeru

[@Pensfan5919]

An episode of Raw that would be looked back at as amazing and trend-setting if it weren't for the Melanie interview. Thanks for another trip back in time. Same time next week!

[@actionjackson4982]

Holy smokes, ladies and gentlemen. We're almost to that fateful 1997 Survivor Series show. Can't wait!

[@zacharythomason7359]

You & me both

[@lafluerpeter9]

Screw that.

[@makaveli4205]

The screw job was the biggest thing to happen in wrestling history

[@jasonmccrank4981]

Piss on McMahon and Michaels.

[@777Eliyahu]

@@makaveli4205 not true, it was Hulk "you gotta protect my neck, brother" Hogan wrestling Sting on Impact Wrestling

[@star22let1]

Have a loved one in the hospital.. Re watched from the beginning to help pass the time. Thanks WB for all you do. You give comfort to us when we need it most, and I hope you know that. Much love ❤️

[@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744]

Crazy to think the Stone Cold vs. Vince story likely never would have happened if Austin never hurt his neck.

[@sandsplasherasmr1865]

Does that mean Brett and Owen hart equally were the catalyst of The Attitude Era??

[@ayejayreviews8760]

Kane Raw debut I've been waiting for this one Is so surreal because everybody during that time thought Bearer was bullshitting about Kane

[@AmazingGuy13]

It's crazy to see so many heel vs heel matches

[@49baybridge]

Man, we are so close to Survivor Series 97. And I can't wait to wresting bios do 1998. Another great yr for WWF

[@undramartin1914]

That interview with Pillmans wife was the lowest not to mention uncalled for

[@mikescott8903]

Why

[@mikebuglione32]

This series is as much of a must watch as the actual Nitro & Raw shows back in the day! Thanks Ryan!

[@bricktop.]

Give Cornette a mic and ask him to talk wrestling....you get gold.

[@RaderizDorret]

Just make sure he sticks to wrestling instead of going off on tangents.

[@bricktop.]

@@RaderizDorret yeah wrestling ONLY. Anything else including political issues is just a no go.

[@King_Dragmire]

​@D-X Fan make sure he sticks to HIS ERA of wrestling. Way more enjoyable hearing him talk about the past than him commentating on modern wrestling stuff he either doesn't like or doesn't understand. Him talking about his era of wrestling is better than him screaming at clouds.

[@BusinessOfFear]

​@@King_Dragmirethere's nothing to understand about modern wrestling 😂

[@niteporter]

Rest In Peace Ray Liotta

[@imairtoliver139]

Nooooo not Tommy Vercetti 😢

[@zacharythomason7359]

I heard he passed earlier today sad🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Smokey1419]

Bro, WHAT!!

[@mikelegat6959]

7:55, you're not alone Bret, it went over my head too 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@BaneClandestine]

I was 15 years old in 97, I had NO IDEA that Brett and Shawn were actually being serious in their dislike, oh the innocence.

[@justinleandoer6821]

you can just see throughout brets early stardom till now, how everytime Vince gets a new (or returning) toy to play with, he throws bret to the side. Bret's loyalty to Vince bit him hard in the end. Im getting sadder by the week watching my favorite part of the series (Brett, Davey, Owen) get closer and closer to their departure.

[@justinwalker2928]

To be fair Bret’s the one who put his ego and jealousy of Shawn before business.

[@jasonmccrank4981]

@@justinwalker2928 Michaels wasn't drawing sh*t. Bret wanted to drop the belt to Austin on the way out. The real star of the WWF and Bret knew it. McMahon was too stupid to see it right away.

[@justinwalker2928]

@@jasonmccrank4981 Bret didn’t draw will as champion either. Austin was just coming back a nearly career ending neck injury! He wasn’t ready yet. Vince had all ready decided that Wrestlemania 14 would be Austin’s coronation night.Shawn was the best in ring performer in the company at the time. Bret did give 100% but Shawn aways gave 120%. Shawn even on his worst day could have put on better match then Bret on his best day!

[@Cableguy15]

@@justinwalker2928 That's just a matter of preference. They both put on some of the best matches ever, but for different reasons. Best not to directly compare them due to their different styles.

[@jasonmccrank4981]

@@justinwalker2928 Yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree there. And Michaels got his inexplicable 2000's renaissance whereas Bret had to deal with the fallout of a massive concussion and a subsequent stroke. We were robbed of a lot of money matches and feuds because that egomaniac McMahon sided with another egomaniac. Bret in The Attitude Era wouldn't have diluted anything-- it would have elevated it further. Most of the "matches" were junk under Russo and McMahon's watch. People only changed the channel from Turner due to the *cough* shenanigans and Michaels had nothing to do with it.

[@dtcarpediem]

“You want a war” damn right let’s get it 🤘🏾

[@DJDoubleCee]

Such a shame RAW didn’t have a tribute show for Brian Pillman. I know that would be the case for other active wrestlers who died (Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, etc.)

[@stevengrvp]

Also no one showed up to the funeral

[@asherrosenberg1849]

Jim Ross was at his Funeral

[@stevengrvp]

@@asherrosenberg1849 Jr and Vince that was it that's messed up none of his friends from wwf, wcw or ecw showed up

[@asherrosenberg1849]

Agreed

[@zemox2534]

Seriously? Not even Bret and the rest of the Hart Foundation ?

[@Drummer8282]

Cornette’s criticism of Hall, Nash and Pac only having their spots for sucking up to the boss also applies to Shawn and Hunter.

[@NicTubeVids]

and he knows it, then and now

[@777Eliyahu]

I would say thats only true of Shawn and Hunter

[@AIMalek]

Hunter was banging the boss's daughter though. That's a big W

[@paulmazzarella4300]

Brian Pillman jr is still very upset with his mother for doing that interview on raw

[@aaronford5199]

I don't blame him

[@zacharythomason7359]

Can't blame him one bit

[@tylongkicks8821]

Don't blame him

[@DickTogo712]

And she just passed away last week wow

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Always a 10/10 anytime Jim Cornette was on TV.

[@makaveli4205]

He is very smart. But his mouth lost him a lot of jobs.

[@derekborba2644]

1000%

[@henrygvidonas9573]

@@makaveli4205 He's a millionaire, he's fine.

[@bradleylane453]

Well I’ve been here since episode 1 and we’ve finally reached the raw debut of Kane. Tears in my eyes lads 😭 fantastic video as always

[@alexmontgomery3656]

That time of the week once again! Can we all give thanks to Ryan(WB) for never missing a episode!

[@inuenndo_]

We’ve officially reached that time where it seems every week Raw has a legendary segment we’ve seen replayed for years. Whether or not people believe wrestling was a work, it was still captivating television

[@jdrifter8]

“Two guys walking around the audience dressed like Ric Flair and Macho Man” 😂 so casual Ah the 90s 🥲

[@dannytanner82]

The Bret and Shawn promo is my all time favorite face to face promo ever. The "Hey boy Toy!" Cracks me up everytme

[@KDSRirelandboy1]

"When you're NWO, you're NWO for life!" Two weeks later: "We don't have any need for you, you're no longer NWO!"

[@revevil]

This was Jarrett's last WCW match for 2 years. Guess he was as sick of the Mongo feud as everyone else.

[@Chukijay]

Words don’t pay bills, but thank you so much or continuing this video series and the rest of the hard work you do that doesn’t come across. People don’t realize how much goes into these videos. We appreciate it!

[@michaelmorbid704]

23 years ago. Man, I wish I could go back to that time. Not only was wrestling the greatest but both my parents were still alive. My father died in 98 and my mother just recently died. 😢

[@tonyhernandezpumarejo]

Sir, I commend you for the outstanding material that you and your team have released on KZbin. I got into wrestling first time in 1999 and watching these videos, take me back to enjoy wrestling. Thank you 🙏

[@thomasmeehan4581]

This is f'n amazing! I'm just finding it. I'm going as far back as I can and watching them all. Great presentation man!!!

[@martinbustamante4261]

Man, are these getting longer? because I'm not complaining!, keep 'em coming!

[@jamesbaker6006]

Was at work when this dropped, it's nice to have something to look forward to as my night winds down. Thank you once again for your consistency and dedication, I respect you Bio-Man. Side note; This ,in my opinion, is best Kane.

[@luckywallace]

It's quite short but I love the Hennig Vs Benoit match - felt like the Mr Perfect of the early 90s was back for a little while. Meanwhile Kane's debut on RAW was a truly landmark event. What a great time in wrestling 1997 was.

[@777Eliyahu]

Nash's hair flip is legendary

[@fullweezy3553]

Jim cornette doing those promos is one of the most memorable things on raw. I'm ready for him to absolutely crush Phil Mushnick

[@PhenomsServant4]

I’m more excited for him ripping apart the Hogan/Piper cage match. That was savage.

[@kennchooch9744]

Dude, I love that you are keeping track of timelines! Another great video ❕ Thank you for the content!

[@the21stsergeant]

The Melanie Pillman interview was disgraceful. Just another example of where more people in that company should've but didn't stand up to Vince on these things.

[@eastsidereviews727]

Love the series and Wrestling Bios us quickly become among my 2 or 3 favorite channels on KZbin! Keep up the excellent work bro!

[@garryrumbell3604]

I absolutely love this show . Your my favourite KZbin channel and really get me through the week. I've never missed an upload.

[@Juwellz18]

"Shawn Michaels may have the Kliq, but Alex Wright has the diq" I'm weak 😭

[@gking2709]

Damn that's the most serious I've ever seen Hogan look in that promo lol

[@danchampion4054]

it is time once again to say that reliving the war is the best show in ALL of wrestling right now, not just KZbin.

[@samuelaarredondo397]

Thanks for the much needed distraction this week man. Can't tell how much I needed the distraction 😞😞

[@mrrida503]

This episode ignites a fire between WCW & WWF... the war is gettin' personal, which makes wrestling as a sport get really gooooooooooooooooood!

[@AmazingGuy13]

RIP Brian Pillman

[@Smokey1419]

The thumbnail reminded me: One time i was at my cousins, it was a Monday, and he told me Kane and X-Pac would win the tag titles. "Hell nah, they dont even get along!" My 11 year old self said, confidently. So he called the hotline, and sure enough, it said something like "Kane and Xpac will have difficulty working together, but will emerge as the new champs" and sure enough, that night, they won. Cool moment, but id be lying if i said it didnt devalue WWF to me at the time.

[@Alltheabovec_p]

The Alex Wright intro has me in tears 😂 Thanks Wrestling bios

[@KickDoeLock]

I think Sean and Bret were shooting in that promo. And Shawn looks at Vince at the end of the promo and says “why do you have guys like this?” 😂

[@1000bip]

I liked the Wildman. I thought he was cool. I also liked Marvelous Marc Mero and I think he could have gone farther if they had kept him more serious

[@martynodonnell8467]

I liked both too. However Marvellous Marc ended up as a secondary star, as Sable got all the attention. It’s a shame he had to drop the “Wildman” gimmick, due to injury. It was unique, in the WWF, throughout 96/97.

[@robertgrosso3317]

I legit remember seeing this on TV, and thinking "that sucks, that guy was entertaining" without any real context at the time. Now I look back about what was really lost, and worse, what is to come. That moment, for example, when the camera zooms in on Owen Hart...how this will become even worse in less than 2 years.

[@monarched]

And this RAW was in Kemper Arena too...which makes it even more surreal...and creepy too

[@RepoManFan4Lyfe]

Man ... Kemper Arena 😞

[@mafia20XI]

5/26/2022 Tell me about it

[@prosaibot8964]

It's Time , It's Kane's Destruction Time.

[@TimeBunny]

Here updating laptop files whilst listening to another episode of Reliving The War ☺️ I can think of worse ways to spend my Thursday evening.

[@ianl4743]

This one's a rough one. One of the worst choices Vince ever made was that interview with Pillman's wife. Part of me feels like THIS was the beginning of Evil Vince.

[@richspeck8932]

You can't blame that all on Vince. I've seen more than one interview with Brian Pillman Jr saying a lot of stuff about his mother. Not nice things either. He's talked about that interview and other things and as far as I've heard never mentioned Vince, but said s lot about her

[@AceThunder234]

@@richspeck8932 Shut up mark. This is why WWE sucks now. People enable Vince mistreating even memory of wrestlers.

[@Shocktimus989]

The Kane stock footage story was absolutely iconic! Would love to see it make a grand return.

[@Onlytheclouds]

Lol I can’t believe I have watched 102 of these videos. Dude I can’t thank you enough for this series.

[@bryanmcneil9872]

The greatest wrestling KZbin channel

[@SCOBigMike666]

I love corny, I listen to his podcast weekly to this day he just gets it

[@StageRight123]

Corny and Brian are absolutely hilarious.

[@djdarq6311]

I think everyone but America thinks so!!!

[@thabozzofficial]

Friday after work, couple of beers in the pub with some mates and then "Reliving The War" when you stumble home; Bloody awesome channel! :)

[@renegadeloco9797]

Through jam and chinlocks, that's gotta be Reliving The War!

[@ThereandBackFilms]

Woah. I started the whole series from the beginning and I’m caught up to current. I’ve never been this committed to any series on KZbin. Your channel is fuhqing awesome.

[@nahinraihan7751]

Finally caught up with this series. Cant wait for the weekly releases

[@SMD2x]

To show respect to The Nature Boy we should keep Horsemen business going until the wheels fall off. Kick or be kicking boys

[@shreddmcnasty]

I have to say man after watching your videos for a long time now , i get excited when a new video is popping up like my favorite new TV show , as always stellar work sir and THANK YOU for covering the nintendo 64 games !!!!!!

[@GlobalWarmingSkeptic]

michael cole being thrown around was weirdly satisfying.

[@Avylyn]

Ah that time of the week, I get off work and get to enjoy reliving the war! Can't wait to see where we go after this series

[@PV24]

In my opinion, the Attitude Era kicked off on this date. This episode of Raw was on a different level.

[@greatheightsu]

2:27 legendary moment punting Jerry's crown

[@PoweruserD20]

I love this channel! I for one would love a return of the stock footage montages.

[@texasyoshi]

Pretty disgraceful how WWF handled Pillman’s passing by putting Melanie on LIVE TELEVISION just a day after he passed

[@enterthehat]

Of all the controversial things Vince has said and done, to me, this is one of the most disgusting.

[@outsiderzzzz]

"It was uncomfortable then, and its uncomfortable now. For me, this is one of the lowest moments of the monday night wars" - Ryan from Wrestling Bios, 2022

[@Sky_Blaze]

Wtf was the point of this quote? for christ sake I hate youtube comments like this...if you're gonna quote something let it ACTUALLY BE QUOTABLE.

[@SegaDream131]

"insert a damn here".....

[@KadeemG61]

R.I.P. Melanie Pillman. Brian Pillman Jr. announced her passing on his Instagram page.

[@jenellcromarty8777]

Please Please Please NO STOCK FOOTAGE. This first Kane run is one of the best and underrated parts of the war, just want you to cover it as best you can. Love your work !!!

[@cavemandrew5565]

SCSA in a cap with a big earring is so old school SCSA...

[@JC-zj7nv]

'The interview' was a horrendous idea, I remember even as a kid watching it and thinking "who thought this was a good idea!?" (obviously Vince).. just horrible.

[@Solo_Stinson]

My guy... That dx to alex wright cut lmfao GOLDEN!

[@EventHorizon31]

This was such a turning point episode. I remember watching it live and was like woah, this is getting good.

[@arciks11]

For how relentlessly Raw was catching up for quite some time now, it took over in your ratings slightly later than i was expecting. It feels like Nitro briefly got into quite nadir but about last 10 head to heads Nitro got a tad better, even if it's still kind of a same show in broad strokes.

[@danielcraig6615]

You got me so hype with this series I started watching the whole shows each week. So if anything WWE owes you $$ 😝. It’s fun to watch as an adult and see what I missed as a kid.

[@antwanthompson1869]

You taking me back in time these reviews. I remember all these raw and nitro.every Monday I was flipping the channel

[@VIGLounge]

I love how Jerry Lawler brings up The Hart Foundation wrestling when they receive the tragic news that an honorary Hart passes away and Vince shuts it down and then interviews Brian Pillman's wife to absolve WWF(E) of any blame relating to his death.

[@justinwalker2928]

Pillmen’s death wasn’t Vince’s fault!

[@VIGLounge]

@@justinwalker2928 not saying it was but that interview was in poor taste.

[@sternj4314]

What's funny about this episode of Nitro is that Jarrett and Booker would be one of the last main event feuds in WCW but had their first match just before Jarrett leaves then comes back in 99