Raymond Daniels v Michael Venom Page Irish Open 2009

The -84kg finals between Ray and Michael at the 2009 Irish Open, including the interval dance-off.
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[@prodigy3643]

When you and Youre friend pick the same character in a video game

[@ivanabbonizio6860]

For those who ask: this is kickboxing semi-contact style. Been doing this for years back in end-80s /beginning of 90s. So no taekwondo whatsoever. Wako is the world association for this sport. It derives from what was called, during the 60/70s, karate contact. Thx for sharing this video. Great fight. Great fighters

[@josemanuelalvarezguillen6187]

Gracias por la aclaracion bro, !!!

[@tinymcglen1313]

michaels brother coached me in one of my kickboxing fights in bristol a few years ago and i was tweeting raymond ..... hope to meet them both at the nextr irish open , been watching raymond fight since i was 10

[@LEADERofPUREclan]

Bristol UK??

[@rebeccagee9243]

This was a gem of a find today. Really enjoy watching MVP style of fighting and he is so entertaining.

[@heyss.1430]

2021 descubri esta joya💥

[@Jonez-sh9xq]

Omg I just found out about Raymond Daniels and the first thing I said was his fighting style reminds me of Michael venom Page's style and a fight between then would be amazing and now I just found this video :)

[@arayahtaylor4944]

Same exact thing with me only difference is that I found this out 1 year after u loll

[@CombatPerspective]

Raymond but kill micheal in a fight

[@rahmellbrown162]

Bruh and it’s crazy we all thought the same, I watched Raymond Daniels most recent fight on bellator and said he said fight venom page.

[@moneymaster4812]

Page copied daniels

[@bakenskibatton5317]

@@arayahtaylor4944 I did the same 😂

[@TheKilmessan]

Nice sportsmanship at the end there props 👍🏿

[@ih8snow415]

that dancing part was nice

[@markandoyo2204]

Highest level of American Freestyle Karate

[@Kooljupiter]

these two!!! man I love it!

[@LuchoH838]

its actually not lmao its called semi contact or now its called point fighting a style in WAKO Kickboxing

[@ugn669]

the dancing during the interval was the most entertaining part of this clip

[@jaymac6831]

Now I understand where MVP got his skill set from.

[@freddykalolo2485]

That was the highest level of tag I’ve ever seen

[@kurtis3794]

love to see him go up against wonder boy would be a great fight.

[@lebohangmbeje4361]

First time I’ve seen Page get pushed back so much

[@mightymac1005]

Starts at 3:30

[@dsmithds]

Ken vs Ryu

[@infinitemonkey917]

Who would've thought one would be dominant in kickboxing and the other in MMA ? I scored the dance-off for Daniels.

[@badminou5650]

Which one is dominant in MMA?

[@SaftonYT]

@@badminou5650 Michael Venom Page is a high-level contender in Bellator's Welterweight division right now, only recently receiving his first loss after a string of victories. Raymond Daniels has also fought in MMA just as MVP has dabbled in kickboxing, however.

[@badminou5650]

@@SaftonYT And the first opponent previous ( Paul Daley ) to his first loss pretty much exposed him and revealed why he'd been fighting only low level opposition, and to beat him it took one leg kick and a follow up shot which exposed another flaw in his already flawed fighting style ( karate point fighting ) in that his chin is weak. You aren't dominant in MMA if the first time you fight someone that's ever been inside of the top 10 ( And it was a way out of prime Paul Daley, who wouldn't even be top 10 in the UFC ATM ) of a division and gives you a close decision and then the fight after that against someone that's a younger top 10 dude stops you in the first round, it's over, he never was dominant and he'll never be champion in bellator let alone top 5 without bellator cherry picking the shit out his opponents.

[@SaftonYT]

@@badminou5650 I'm not even an MVP fan, dude. I thought you were asking a legitimate question, not baiting a trap for your MVP hate parade. You're barking up the wrong tree. I don't follow Bellator.

[@badminou5650]

@@SaftonYT Typical, tries to talk like he knows what's up and then backs out and tells me I'm the one trolling. Being a legit fan that hates when stupid shit is said is entirely different, the dude is NOT dominant in MMA period, now go back to your soy diet.

[@doh909]

I always wondered if there would be a sport where its like fencing but with fists. I think i found it LOL

[@jackthornley9126]

It's points in kickboxing your not meant to carry on punching points is just more famous than continuse which you carry on fighting

[@jackthornley9126]

This is the best in the world as well

[@christianchabrier9208]

Been wanting to see this didn’t know that did it already they long lost brothers lol

[@srlaranja7516]

Qual nome da luta?

[@LuchoH838]

brilliance is the word for this

[@ydocc3374]

So did they have their mma fight yet???

[@andrejlykov6408]

It was awesome!

[@ganjalistic]

this shit needs Run DMC - It's Like That playing in the background

[@markyz6997]

Raymond already beat MVP and Stephen Thompson,maybe the karate goat

[@mood2twelve685]

just found this today.. after finding out about raymond daniels today .. 😱😱😱

[@roydgardner7802]

This is one my favorite fights!

[@rubberglovesandwich9889]

unapologetic truth *you're

[@misukchotit4662]

Raymond Daniels is a king

[@beewalk34]

Them both both. They are literally the same dude lol

[@mmafight8575]

michael page vs raymond daniels in mma. who would win ? mvp all the way

[@carmen29484]

win michael page... michael page evolution much

[@MuSiCBoYaS]

+mma fight Maybe MVP, the reason? so simple, TKD have norms and MMA no, MVP move better withput norms and have liberty for fight free.

[@GustavoCOD1]

Michael "Venom" Page tem que entrar no UFC Ele luta muitoo

[@earlkatotruitt-ee5xk]

He is as of 2023 my friend

[@andersd8041]

Where does Kevin Lee fit in all this?

[@davidsosnak2968]

What sport is that?

[@monkey76kerr]

David Sosnak freestyle kickboxing

[@JM-ie5bp]

David Sosnak ...It's point karate.

[@user-nx9dd8nb7w]

Tkd

[@michaelutech4786]

Damn are they fast... It looks like the whole purpose of this style is to hide a single attack. Amazing how completely different this is from everything else I saw Page do. Strange that a fighter can be so good at so many different styles. I would have thought you need to specialise to get up to snuff.

[@jaycash8a]

Amazing

[@marklayne818]

Raymond Daniels fought the Wonderboy Thompson in the World Combat League.

[@adamyaakov8435]

The best fught ever!

[@andymears9840]

point karate

[@sycadelic666]

Jack Slack : Video Breakdown - Coming Soon?!?

[@bruno2laboissiere444]

Que luta é esta?

[@yassintriggerdellarobia]

Eu nao sou brazileiro. mas eu acho que esta sport è o karate .

[@bruno2laboissiere444]

@@yassintriggerdellarobia pode ser, mas está diferente. De onde vc é?, Um saudação aí para o pessoal da sua terra,👍

[@SBROS70]

Bravi, bello spettacolo...ma la kickboxing è tutta un'altra cosa!!

[@tomgjonaj8020]

Paolo Sbrosi te sicuramente sei un esperto di fama mondiale

[@hadimiri2801]

Now both are in Mma Bellator ,so can we see a mma fight between them?

[@hombre7364]

Yes, sure, but I think he'll fight Andrei Koreshkov first. I love these fighters with different style. Now MVP against Duglas Lima establishes a new pattern. Bellator has nothing to envy UFC. Bellator sometimes has better cards than the UFC, but Fox sports has displaced him.

[@hadimiri2801]

@@hombre7364 True

[@arizonatea3734]

RD is taking out MVP in mma any day of the week.

[@hombre7364]

@@arizonatea3734 I would not be so sure. Raymond Daniels continued his experience in kick boxing and MVP in MMA. Regardless of what happened at the Irish Open, many years have passed. Daniels at that time suffered defeats by low kicks, MVP now has clearer its weak points. Anyway, that fight will be great.

[@arizonatea3734]

@@hombre7364 mvp is just too exaggerated and he got used to breaking the basics against half ass strikers is my thought. The blitzing is way out of control as lima showed.

[@kellythornton7801]

Is it a fight or a dance off lol

[@jjohal5068]

kelly Thornton why don't you stop making stupid comments and get off ur fat flabby ass, and go and ask them,,,face to face

[@overdrive006]

Its point sparring. not a real fight. But a useful skill to know. (hit - and not get hit)

[@jayti1827]

kelly Thornton for real 😂

[@stam7250]

Its a sport that you'll never be able to compete well at. :)

[@markymarco2570]

Irish Open of what?

[@Clardofak]

it's more like a dance competition

[@ben33584]

twins??

[@thiagomoreira7645]

Classico

[@plstrom]

whos who ?

[@glennvang1302]

plstrom I'm me and your you.

[@ATACXGYM]

I didn't even know these guys fought before! Titans of the point fighting sport karate circuit.

[@kyokushinavocadosoup3595]

semi-contact kickboxing

[@Natman-nu3jp]

It's called points fighting.

[@kyokushinavocadosoup3595]

Natman1818 thats semi-contact kickboxing lol...

[@budweisera3]

It is points. They stop fighting and reset after one/both score a point from an attack. Semi-contact/continuous would be a free flowing round with a winner decided at the end based on number of clean hits and general control of the fight.

[@TheShinobiOne]

Is this freestyle kick boxing, point karate, or something else?

[@lewis5079]

Some form of point fighting

[@cambradley7694]

point karate

[@kyokushinavocadosoup3595]

semi-contact kickboxing

[@Natman-nu3jp]

PF kickboxing.

[@TheShinobiOne]

So no consensus on what this is?

[@waterflowzz]

this isn't "karate" this is tae kwon do with punching incorporated into it. It's ITF tae kwon do. just youtube search itf tae kwon do or olympic tae kwon do.

[@Robertrbp]

o taekwondo já é por natureza muito parecido com o Karate, bastou que nas regras, os socos valessem pontos, para que os movimentos ficassem iguais.

[@Robertrbp]

***** Mas eles chutam muito mais ali do que no Karatê.

[@Robertrbp]

***** acaba sendo mais eficiente quando esse costume de luta é transferido para uma situação real.

[@ponciarello79]

i think this is point karate

[@confettiembolism666]

+waterflowzz itf taekwon-do, point karate (not shotokan knock-down karate), and point kickboxing are all really similar. raymond daniels is an american kenpo black belt and MVP is a kickboxing black belt.

[@donnyjackson1309]

I like both fighters, but those were terrible calls that cost Page an 8-5 win

[@Restrodsworth]

I prefer karate to kickboxing. It’s like the difference between fencing and duelling with long swords.

[@TheMafzor]

semi contact kick boxing this is

[@nicholasgreen4010]

No its point semi contact kickboxing Light continuos kick boxing Is different You use the same punching combos That r in Boxing K1 kickboxing

[@bruno2laboissiere444]

Que luta é esta?

[@shalomshalom2912]

PAGE WAS LIGHT WEIGHT SHOOK AND LEARN A LOT FROM THIS FIGHT. DANIELS WAS IN CONTROL.

[@lifeisfabulous5882]

I think you're right, specially the movement of rushing forward and punching

[@samuelahrangkhawl8050]

MVP's own fight style used against him. Hahahah

[@amelieviennot5570]

kick dancing thats how this sport is called isnt it ?

[@paying-for-free-speech]

It’s freestyle kickboxing kids

[@abenice]

Backfist to the body REALLY that’s what they calling! Smh

[@MelloCello7]

it's like watching a flashback from an anime..

[@MelloCello7]

5:27

[@motivaciazfilmov7550]

Same movement like in sport karate.. we can see there uramawashingeri, mawashi geri bit it can be some other type of karate for example like shotokan,goju ryu or it is kiokushkin karate ... Doesnt matter but it is karate. No kickboxing and no teakwondo.

[@cedricwright4122]

Very similar styles. Page can't handle his own style against him. Dude is quicker than Page.

[@scienty7933]

Yeah yeah. The hardest opponent

[@thisisindie9876]

I’m a big fan of MVP I just think he should chill on the clowning sometime it’s not needed all the time seriously

[@wayneswaby4351]

This Is Indie it’s not clowning its strategy and also it keeps him relaxed. It would be a shame to lose a fight because you’re tense and nervous

[@yousufertv9540]

April 2020

[@dayuhan1994]

Dude who else came here after his Bellator debut ?!? Fucking much deserved KO and entertaining performance!

[@England-zf9ls]

I'm here after that ko👊👊👊

[@tartanhandbag]

peeps in the comments clearly haven't heard of points kickboxing, lol. and yes, i know it's kind of silly. i was really surprised when i started doing kickboxing. i was like, wait, what the fuck is this shit?

[@piro4351]

Dr eben alexander

[@rafaels3552]

So Michael Page copied Raymond Daniels' flashy style. Raymond was faster than Michael. Both GREAT fighters.

[@VoxGav-bd9rc]

Rafael S No he didn’t. Wtf. Michael has been doing this for years now ever since he was 3, he grew up and found his style. Stop being ignorant.

[@Gigabite108]

That's I don't like modern tawkondo. No one kick only jumping

[@francoroberto4284]

2 immensi

[@baineitor]

This page relies too much on your jokes (brasil)

[@irwinsinspain]

joe rogan.... it may be an unfair statement....but this is silly...

[@mrdanthemanfraser]

Joe Rogan!!!

[@terabit.]

Does Page come from Shotokan?

[@velocgee2874]

Lau Gar

[@MystiCalBEING89]

so he lost

[@danawhite1177]

The best fighters in the world. The real GOATS. My favorite MMA fighters. Both of them are. They would destroy anyone in the UFC. They are so many levels above Conor its not even funny and I love Conor so don't get me wrong.. I am just saying. This kind of fighting you have to be really good at to do. Anyone can fight in MMA but not anyone could fight even the colored belts in Karate tournaments. Shit is hard and its real AF

[@truriv3978]

finally he lost lmao

[@silikay4392]

Never seen any fight as boring as this one. I expected fire between these two.. But ey it's 11 years ago, Right🤷‍♂️

[@jovenvina7113]

michael page loss hahhaa

[@TheKeirsunishi]

Tell that to Michael Page

[@MrKHAILEE]

I couldn't tell who is Mike, they all blacks.

[@MrKHAILEE]

I surrender, lol

[@pedroavila1435]

+I Surrender actually paige was the one in blue with the uk flagged top but nonetheless that shit was ignorant.

[@bensmith5218]

Khai Lee you're comment doesn't even work either ... ypu couldn't tell anyone apart with head guards on 30 foot away ... berk

[@EL-xk6zd]

Sho boat shid lack of true martial art respectful discipline to the nature of the art itself

[@hillston2794]

Boring

[@thenba-holes2335]

both of em would beat Wonderboy and Gunnar .... and Conor too for that matter.

[@XSnowStorm13X]

They couldn't beat Wonderboy but he is undefeated in kickboxing.Also Gunnar and Conor are nowhere near elite level in Karate.

[@jaydon7157]

Its actually teakwando people

[@Natman-nu3jp]

No, just no... just don't

[@SealClubblingsClub]

How is it not teakwando tho??? 4rels

[@rbguerreiro2466]

1 - because of their gear: they don't have a dobok (taekwondo version o the kimono), they don't have the vest, they have kickboxing gloves 2 - because of the rules: in taekwondo the fight is not stopped after each point, it is a continuous fight. Also in taekwondo no head punches are allowed, only head kicks.

[@stupidsexysatan5639]

jaydon v.dooren kickboxing actually, I fight in the same organisation

[@rockmetalband]

imaybe is itf taekwondo