Razer Kishi Ultra - Should you actually buy this?

[@JB-tp6uj]

Thank you, so much! The section on the d-pad is exactly what I was waiting to hear. I know people scoff at the price and so do I, but given that none of these telescopic controllers have a good d-pad, I will pay $150 for this controller. I can't stress how desperate I am to find a controller with a good d-pad. Serviceable d-pads get you pass level 1 or 2 with retro games. After that, you're fighting the game and the controller. Great review!

[@GameTechTalk]

You're in for a treat then. There is a bit of an adjustment curve for fighting games but for retro in general? Oh wow. I could game on that d-pad for HOURS without the shadow of a concern or discomfort. If/when you do get it, let me know your impressions, always nice to hear I'm not being crazy here! Cheers :)

[@JB-tp6uj]

@@GameTechTalk Will do!

[@STR82DVD]

The new ABXYLUTE telescopic controller looks VERY interesting depending, of course, on price point.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@STR82DVD I've been scouring their discord and the main abxylute account hinted that they are going for very aggressive pricing. If I had to guess and reading through the lines, I'd expect 0-10$ more than Galileo G8 sale price (that is with the 40% off). So 80-90USD would be my educated guess.

[@STR82DVD]

@@GameTechTalk That would be bloody brilliant. At that price point with haptics?!? Sign me up!

[@terribletimes902]

The fact that they keep putting the extra buttons next to the triggers baffles me. It defeats the purpose of them when they interfere with any of the other standard buttons and triggers. They should just do back paddles, the only layout that makes sense for extra inputs

[@GameTechTalk]

I also have a preference for back paddles but I think you highlight a "conflict" I had never put into words myself. To paraphrase, what you are saying is that trigger fingers should never have to leave them and that extra buttons are designed to assist with that. You do raise a good point that this hinders this very concept.

[@terribletimes902]

@@GameTechTalk Exactly, what makes back paddles so useful is that they use your middle fingers, which otherwise go unused. That makes them truly extra inputs cause they will never interfere with your other fingers. In this case, you either have to take your fingers off the trigger, or you’ll have to press both the M1/M2 button and the trigger next to it

[@LiLRotum]

Just as heads-up. This is a premium accessory, at a $150 price point. It does not work for the iPhone 15 Pro Max if you're using a Mous Limitless 5.0 phone case (another premium accessory, at a $70 price point). For anyone assuming their Mous case will just *work*, it won't.

[@GameTechTalk]

I'm sure it'll help someone, thanks!

[@Buffypoodle]

Even if you remove the rubber parts?

[@LiLRotum]

@@Buffypoodle Yes. Unfortunately, it will not fit with the Mous Limitless 5.0 even if you remove the rubber parts.

[@Buffypoodle]

@@LiLRotum I don’t have the Mous but I have the Spigen Optik Armor for iPhone 15 Pro, I’m going to assume it’s the same

[@LiLRotum]

@@Buffypoodle The Mous is not a particularly hefty case, so it's possibly you'd experience the same issue with the Spigen Optik too.

[@Paul-ng4jx]

My only problem with this one is the Bluetooth connectivity interferes with your actual cell phone signal to an iPhones will tell you that they’ll tell you there will be signal interference. You may not get the best performance out of it, which is true. I get a lot of lag here and there if I’m playing on Wi-Fi or cell phone because the signals interfere With each other so you’re gonna have a little more latency sometimes you’re actually lose connection between the Bluetooth in your phone just enough to kick you out of a game if your cloud gaming so a direct USBC connection is preferred

[@GameTechTalk]

Interesting, I hadn't experienced that, I wonder if maybe a firmware update introduced this issue? I'll test later on with my iPhone and report back to you. It definitely does not have bluetooth, however, it's not impossible that it interferes with signal nonetheless. Quite frankly, if it does, I'd feel inclined to suggest there may be an electrical anomaly of some kind because if not for that, I don't understand how radio signal could be affected. I'll tune back in shortly.

[@GameTechTalk]

I finished testing, it was done on an iPhone 15 Pro Max on iOS 17.5.1 . The Kishi Ultra is on firmware 1.0 and it didn't prompt me for an update. I had zero issues on my end, that is while plugged in to wi-fi 5Ghz from my home signal and with 2 bluetooth devices being connected (AirPods Pro 2 and Apple Watch). I tested three games and gamepad tester, everything went smooth and to be sure, I plugged the USB-C as well as headphones (wires can cause interference sometimes). I'm inclined to suggest that maybe your phone or your controller has an anomaly, do you have another USB-C controller to see if the problem repeats itself? It might be a faulty USB-C connector that causes electrical redundancies, that can also affect signal.

[@Hree]

Companion software development is also part of the cost of these devices especially on mobile phones where sometimes games do not have xinput support. Some controllers have really bad virtual on screen mapping. Hope you compare them in the future

[@GameTechTalk]

Interesting, I'll keep that in mind for the future, thank you greatly!

[@WeAsOneRiseGaming]

Bro, can you do a video on mapping this controller to the Playstation Link app? It don't support it natively, you have to map it from what I've seen. Also, id love to interview you on my podcast man and hear your story and what got you into gaming. This is my personal page, but my main channel for my content is WeAsOneRise

[@GameTechTalk]

Unfortunately, the Kishi Ultra doesn't work natively on PS Remote Play app, the best way to fix that issue is to buy an app called PS Play, that'll let you use your Kishi Ultra to tap into your PS5 and it's a much better app than the native one. Or if you mean screen mapping? As for the podcast, sure man, I'd be happy to partake, let's set a time and a place and let's connect!

[@Focuzed]

I currently have the Backbone, Playstation edition, and I had to get thumbstick extenders because the analogs are not only small, but the height on them is the same size of a switch and it makes playing Twitcy shooters, EXTREMELY difficult. How tall are the sticks on the Kishi Ultra? How are their height compared to an actual xbox controller? That's my main buying point. The $ isn't the problem, it's the analog height. How do they compare?

[@GameTechTalk]

They definitely feel like console controllers in height. They are pretty much double the height versus the Backbone.

[@WeAsOneRiseGaming]

Same!!!! But man I've heard the Kishi Ultra has headphone issues with 3.55 jack... If that's true, I'm going with the Gamesir Galileo because that's crazy. Only thing is id have to take my phone out of the case every time I game. Why can't they just get it right lol. Backbone is so nice, amazing app and firmwar, can stream to twitch and just overall it's amazing, but it's to small and makes my hands hurt... I need something bigger .

[@GameTechTalk]

@@WeAsOneRiseGaming I haven't experienced a 3.5mm error per se but I juggle so much from one product to another, maybe it's something recent with a new firmware?

[@WeAsOneRiseGaming]

@GameTechTalk ok nice, may have been patched or fixed but ya I was seeing a lot of posts on reddit talking about the audio not working properly. Thanks man keep up the good work. Also, actually responding to your followers like this is going to take you far man. I'll give you a share on my main artist page..

[@KennEfrenEngo-bq4km]

Is it good for shooting games? Does the joystick doesnt have delay when gaming?

[@GameTechTalk]

The latency is extremely good, I have not experienced any delays, I do have intentions of doing proper benchmark of mobile controllers at some point but I would be extremely surprised if the Kishi Ultra doesn't rank amongst the highest in latency. It's costly but it's good, I can give it that merit.

[@WeAsOneRiseGaming]

​@GameTechTalk hey are you having issues with the headphone jack?? I've read that it has issues with headphones when plugged into the 3.55 jack... that's the only thing keeping me from buying it.

[@셜루-e4h]

Does the haptic work on iOS? Mine doesn’t work even in steam link 😭

[@GameTechTalk]

You're not the first one to say it doesn't. Apparently it's a whole fiasco and it is being fixed Soon™. I'm sure it will be in due time but when that is, there doesn't seem to be an official word out.

[@loitersquadX]

I want this. But i have a backbone. The backbone sticks suck, but it works for cod. Does this work for cod Mobile or no? If not does it work with xbox mobile? I will use it for xcloud

[@GameTechTalk]

It does not work for COD Mobile. If you want a controller that works for COD Mobile on Android that is not the Backbone One, get the ELO Vagabond, not only is it better than the Razer, it’s got amazing compatibility. Sadly it’s relatively unknown but it’s really really good!

[@loitersquadX]

@GameTechTalk Razer does work if u use virtual keys?

[@loitersquadX]

@@GameTechTalk btw I'm using Google pixel phone I heard that controller doesn't work for cod mobile on Android

[@GameTechTalk]

@@loitersquadX Razer does have a screen mapping software, ELO Vagabond are working on their screen mapping solution but it's supposed to release at a later time. That said, screen mapping for shooters is nowhere near as good as native supported controller inputs.

[@loitersquadX]

@@GameTechTalk okay thanks so I gotta keep backbone for the cod mobile and Razer for the other stuff?

[@imthedrivingcrooner]

brother how do you have all these devices! I dont have these attachable controllers yet so reviews of comparisons really help! thanks for this review!

[@GameTechTalk]

I’m deeply passionate about gaming tech hardware so I spend most of my time studying and talking about them! 😊 Thanks for being here and for the kind words!

[@WeAsOneRiseGaming]

Also, what thumbstick covers are you using.

[@GameTechTalk]

I'm not one to regularly use them but usually if I do, I tend to gravitate towards texture concave ones.

[@StayPeace69]

Just curious but can you mod this into like for ipad pro 11 inchor higher like the g8?

[@GameTechTalk]

I haven't opened it but I'm pretty sure it uses ribbon cables and I've opened pretty much every other one under the sun, they all borrow the mechanic system that Backbone brought to the market, which was an improvement, yet very similar to what iPega did before. I also tried buying longer ribbon cables to extend these things and it doesn't work. So these designs are very much limited by the design they employ, something that the GameSir controller doesn't have with it's coil system. That's the major difference right there.

[@DelScully]

if they can get haptics to work for ios its absolutely worth the price.. crazy that they market this for the ipad mini yet haptics dont even work for it though.

[@GameTechTalk]

Oh really? That's weird.

[@DelScully]

@@GameTechTalk yeah, I would have bought this instantly with the haptics working but who knows.. With it being razer I could see them never getting them set up for ios lol

[@MWImmortalking]

I can't imagine spending $150 on a phone controller that doesn't have a built in battery to extend the phone's battery life. The most I would consider paying for it is $80 mainly because they added a headphone jack and data passthrough

[@GameTechTalk]

Yup, Razer is looking to stick razors in wallets! 🤣

[@dannynunez9756]

The only problem I've experienced with this controller is that I don't get any Rumble when it's attached to my Samsung Galaxy Tab A9. Have you experienced anything like this?

[@GameTechTalk]

On the Android devices that I have used it, I have not had any issues. On iOS however, it hasn't worked. I have a theory, rumble API for controllers is fairly recent on Android. Android 12 or 13, not too sure, so very recent considering the lifespan of the operating system. Razer came out with rumble before the API existed as part of Android, so they had implemented their own basically. That was back on Kishi V2 Pro. I wonder if it has anything to do with conflicting solutions for your rumble, especially if your device was never designed to operate under an older Android version. Just throwing thoughts out there but I know it's a point of contention for some people, you're not the only one.

[@GrimeyGrim]

The only thing that keeps me from buying the g8 is the full back. I don’t understand what they are thinking with that. Maybe if you only play maybe an hour a day, but my phone is hot after anything passed that. The one thing that is keeping me from buying this besides the ridiculous price, is the fact they keep putting remapping button on the top like some kind of lunatics. I wouldn’t mind if they put those on the top if they also put buttons on the back.

[@GameTechTalk]

That price tag is rough! And a lot of people are starting to really ask for 4 buttons on a telescopic controller, it's kind of surprising that it's not on the market yet (afaik).

[@gerzonmondragon5954]

Is it compatible with xbox also? If it is, I just found my next premium controller.

[@GameTechTalk]

It is not sadly.

[@gerzonmondragon5954]

@@GameTechTalk thanks for the heads up

[@DNAMobileGaming]

I've only owned the Kishi V2 and did not like the controller at all from this company, it's still sitting on my shelf. I might have to give it to someone else to enjoy lol oh and this does look like an amazing controller however that price man I could buy a game and a snacks plus a cheap controller my oh my.

[@GameTechTalk]

Take it from someone that also did not like the Kishi V2, not even a little bit, it was an insult to consumers if you ask me, the Kishi Ultra is leaps and bounds superior in comparison. Not even remotely close. They shouldn't even both have Kishi in their names. I'd like to tell you I'm exaggerating but I'm not. With that said, the Kishi Ultra still is overpriced in comparison to the Galileo G8 and I'd say, if you're not in a hurry, I'd recommend holding off for the abxylute s9 that should launch soon on Kickstarter. Here's hoping they won't take too long to ship to backers.

[@Moonclips-d7w]

Send it to me I'm poor and ill use it lol

[@WeAsOneRiseGaming]

Im stuck between the 2. Im giving my girl my backbone gen 2, its to small for me. She loves it. But the Galileo dont fit s23 ultra with case.... and ive heard Razer Kishi ultra has headphone jack isses... Thats a no no for me i need my headphones while gaming man.

[@GameTechTalk]

Have you looked into the Abxylute S9? They will be shipping shortly and they still have "on-demand" Kickstarter pricing. If you haven't I strongly would encourage you to watch my videos on it, I have 2-3 if I recall.

[@eiceys4612]

@20:58 do you know more about that ?! omg

[@GameTechTalk]

No more than that screen capture but I'm excited to see what will come of it!

[@Schub69]

Brilliant review, best on YT👍👌!! After watching your great and detailed review I go now and buy the Kishi Ultra! Yes it is expensive, but I hate the grey and the overall cheap Look of the G8 and all other devices are too small. Thank you very much for this Great Review! 👍+Abo for you!

[@GameTechTalk]

Thanks and glad to have been of assistance!

[@enginethatcould5257]

Razer Kishi Ultra Haptics is NOT compatible with IOS.

[@GameTechTalk]

As mentioned during the video, I do not have a compatible iOS device to test with at this point so I wouldn't know but I can at least report that on everything else I tested (Android, PC, Steam Deck), the rumble worked just fine like any Series controller would. It also worked on PS Play on Android just fine. Are we talking about the rumble not working in Remote Play? Because if so, this may be a software limitation? Not the hardware itself but yeah, I'm sorry I can't help any further, I don't have the hardware to test this. Cheers! :)

[@DelScully]

do you know if they have plans to add it eventually or will it just never work for IOS?

[@enginethatcould5257]

@DelScully I read that they are planning to add it to IOS.

[@mrmack3176]

I think if the razer kishi was 100$ then get that over the game sir but the game sir being 80$ and somtimes even 50$ gamesir g8 wins

[@GameTechTalk]

Totally! Take it from this video, you are not "missing out" by going Galileo G8, it's more of a lateral choice than a lesser one. Cheers! :)

[@STR82DVD]

Is it just me? I have a hard time liking anything Razor puts out. I think it's their obvious and overt arrogance.

[@GameTechTalk]

Not just you, I'm absolutely in total agreement. Razer has been arrogant many times in the past, maybe not to Dbrand levels but to me, they kind of fall in the same category of how I perceive them. I don't gel too much with that but Razer will Razer am-I-right? 😂

[@STR82DVD]

@@GameTechTalk I've got to stop voice dictating until Google is their game. Far too many mistakes to be acceptable for use imo Lad.

[@STR82DVD]

@@GameTechTalk Agreed. I've their 8k Viper but I did get it on sale for 35 bucks on Black Friday sale so I picked it up just for "shits and giggles". It's meh as it has a well documented jitter issue that ironically wasn't that well documented at purchase.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@STR82DVD Ahaha, no worries, I saw it as you addressing Razer. 🙂

[@STR82DVD]

Lol. Still more mistakes. Bloody Google.

[@gregorybolivar5712]

AYA-NEO Pocket S... New Android Handheld... Anyone...🧐🤓 ...???!!!

[@GameTechTalk]

I backed a unit, just because I want to be that guy but I don't know... It's going to be a fun device but seeing the Odin 2 keeping up (and even beating) the CPU makes me think the Pocket S is overkill in places it doesn't need to be and lacking in others that could've been better.

[@gregorybolivar5712]

@@GameTechTalk Awesome... Waiting for your take...on the P-S ETA Prime already have a video up...and showing some comparation aspect between The Pocket S and Odin 2 retail version... 🧐🤔 The Comments section got heated quick... P-S fans vs O-2 fans... 😁🤣🙃

[@GameTechTalk]

@@gregorybolivar5712 Yeah that's why I'm saying the Odin 2 beats it CPU wise on multi. But GPU is completely dominated by the Pocket S. Then again, when will that be useful you know? Anyway, excited to have one nonetheless, did you back one too?

[@gregorybolivar5712]

@@GameTechTalk No... I didn't... I already have the Odin 2 Pro... Black Edition...+ 1Tb micro-Sd... Loaded... I have been enjoying since December, 2023...🤯🙃😁😎 Just wish they had front / Back cameras + LeD flashlight... Similar to the PS-Vita... And AYA-NEO didn't even add cameras neither... Since they were focusing on "Premium aesthetics Design wise"...🤔🧐... I noticed that too in ETA Prime video... CPU wise Odin 2 was ahead... GpU wise Pocket S was ahead... However, It's just another option for gamers to enjoy...and have fun on the go...😎😁

[@NelekGamingNG]

Magnifique cheveux 😘

[@GameTechTalk]

Merci merci!! 🙏

[@Moonclips-d7w]

Turning out to be the worst dawn out review iv ever seen and your reviewing the kishi not the game sir

[@GameTechTalk]

Thanks for your inputs.