RCBS Matchmaster - Does it make sense to upgrade?

[@ThePewski]

I agree with your summary. If i was competing i would want every advantage, no matter how small. If i could afford it of course.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

yep agree. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@loganmorton9304]

Cool video. I hunt and do pest control. (Shoot a lot) I use the charge master link and through 20 shots 308 I’m consistently around 28es and 8sd. That’s plenty for me and my situation. Kinda goes to show other variables like neck tension and so on come in to play.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Yep for most people it really doesn’t matter that much.

[@Longshot762x51]

I think the results would have been better if he had run those cases thru a neck mandrel first. Rules out any odd neck tension.

[@Dayattherange]

This is a great video I love this type of data video. VERY WELL DONE sir! FYI the original chargemaster was highly programmable as well just not very well known as it was based off certain push button sequences. It sounds like in the Matchmaster they made it much easier. I am not trying to be critical at all as the chronograph told the story, though I would have loved to have seen these weighed out on a balance beam scale. Again NICE video content and data displayed LOVE IT.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Great comment. Thanks for watching.

[@ajdube9967]

I wonder what the large sample size results would show. Like 20-30 shot groups. A lot of dudes try and test load stuff then only shoot 3-5 shots with zero clue what rifle dispersion is. They see a slight improvement and they're like "wow deburing flash holes for an hour really paid off!"😂

[@martinto138]

The issue is time limitations and barrel temperature. Not many people have the time to let the barrel cool between shots yo make that 20 to 30 shot group deliver usable data

[@chipsterb4946]

@@martinto138maybe but the OP is correct. I am sick of “my rifle is so accurate - just look at this 3-shot group.” And the most annoying thing is talking about standard deviation of tiny sample sizes. SD on a sample of 3 means nothing.

[@taylorcleblanc]

The 99.9% of shooters will likely never see the difference in even 0.2 grains on target at any distance. And 100% agree on the 30 shot group data. It is crazy that so many people claim that they are the 0.1% by claiming they see a difference in these miniscule powder variations.

[@chipsterb4946]

@@taylorcleblanc you might be overstating your point a bit, but not much. Another useful statistic might be percentage of powder charge. 0.2 grains represents 3.6% of my typical load for .45 Colt. Eyeballing load data for 280 Ackley Improved, 55 grains looks about average and 0.2 grains would be 0.36% variance in the powder charge.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Ya'll noticed that Justin recorded 10-shot groups right? That's good enough to be fairly certain that there's a difference between the accuracy of these two powder scales, and that's all the video was trying to show. Bottom line no matter what thrower and scale you use, if you're getting less than 10fps SD, you're doing just fine.

[@balaton1]

Great video and data. For me, this is nothing I would consider a $400-$500 price increase. But I don't compete. Best to you, this was valuable content IMHO! Keep rocking brother.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks!

[@5RWill]

Granted I've never had an FX-120i or a Matchmaster, just the ole chargemaster and really always carried the thought that it was about finding the right node on a latter test so that if the scale was slightly off you're more or less in a margin of error. Scott Satterlee's test comes to mind. Thank you for uploading this always been curious. I would like to see the difference worn brass makes too. After years and years I finally got into anneal and know people that swear by it. I haven't had the time to adequately compare with my 6.5x47 though.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching.

[@christianbehier2221]

1 big kernel can be 3-4ft/sec - I use the A&D 100a to 1/10000 of a gram, tweezers and get the load as consistent as possible - with the SD under 5ft/sec where other factors are a higher contributing factor (neck tension, primers, etc…) - it all depends on your needs…😊

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching

[@joelclark2130]

Not conclusive enough to make a Difference. Consistency with brass , We'll see more variation than powder charge. 1- 100th not gonna make a difference. most people We'll never see any data that will make a difference.

[@williamsweet7511]

If you look at slow motion video or pictures at the muzzle, there is a lot of unburned powder shot out the end of the barrel. I wonder sometimes if the unburned powder is the cause of SD/ES issues. That is something out of our control, obviously we want to control what we can. Thanks for the video

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@user-yr1dp7kr8g]

As a reloader and match shooter I am equally concerned with time and accuracy. I will happily pay double for a piece of equipment that is faster but equally as accurate.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Yep. My time is super valuable to me. Thanks for commenting.

[@josephhomen]

I’d like to see this test with a load that has better ES and SD (10-20ES) (3-8SD). The load in the video have such a high ES there’s to much “noise” to tell if it makes any difference. Maybe a powder like H4350, reloder 16, AR comp, or retumbo, would be a better choice to test this scale?

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching

[@chrismuncey3861]

Eventually I want to upgrade from my Charger Master Supreme to a Match Master. I'm getting extrem spreads of 5 to 10 fps with it. So it's doing good enough for me right now.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

cool. Anything under 10fps SD is pretty dang good.

[@ddn79]

Then you have the best rest shooters using a powder drop to shoot groups in the teens. To the kernel powder charges isn't all that important as people make it out to be. There are a lot of other factors that can fluctuate the ES and SD. I have done this test with a CM1500 vs a Sartorius lab scale and it really doesn't make a difference. Top level shooters are top level shooters, not because of what scale they are using.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Top level shooters are good. period. that's a true statement. It's kinda untrue to roll in the powderscale argument as if it doesn't matter. Literally everything matters in this game. There are so many variables...some we can control and some we cannot. Simple fact is that you can buy points with better gear - up to a certain point. Then it requires training, practice, and skill. The average dude could get more consistent handloads by using a Matchmaster over a low end hornady scale or similar. That's the point of the video.

[@ddn79]

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Explain how benchresters are shooting in the teens when they are not measuring to the kernel? Like I said, it doesnt make that much of a difference if any. Overall brass prep and the load node matters more.

[@darylehret]

Looks to be about a 12% difference between ES and SD equally. I'm pretty happy with the speed and ease of my balance beam at this point, and if I ever need 100ths of a grain accuracy, would jump straight to the Matchmaster from there. For my current setup, I think advancing to the Chargemaster would be a wasted step.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

cool. thanks for watching and commenting.

[@JohnThomas-vd8zg]

My guess before watching results. If all else is done well, deviation will be around 0.15 MOA on target

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching.

[@stevefisher2121]

Attention to detail is everything.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching

[@DS-gd1xw]

I have a matchmaster but I find it's very jumpy. The scale has a lot of fluctuations in it. I find myself using the Chargemaster Link & and double-checking it against the Hornady scale.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

odd. Thanks for the comment.

[@johnmorrow5085]

Nice comparison

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

thanks!

[@806Guns]

I will day my old chargemaster 1500 with upgraded straw mod works better than the Frankford Arsenal intellidropper which has been problems for me

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

chargemaster with the straw is still a very solid option.

[@806Guns]

@PrecisionRifleNetwork i would like to see how accurate that option is vs the newer options. Maybe a 20 round string.

[@pauljacobs3792]

No need, nany factors to consider like, neck tention, powder lots, many other factors to chase after than to chase after 4 curnels... seating depth.... many factors.. but yes only my thouts....

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Thanks for watching

[@jobelche]

5 shots isn't enough to overcome all the other variables... this test is ingenuous.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

did you mean disingenuous? (adjective: Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating.) The video was made with the best of intentions to show some of the differences in features and results between the two diff rcbs units. The video did exactly that, with as much transparency as the experiment could provide. Thanks for watching.

[@tomforeman4976]

Yep the difference was the gun temp of the two tests

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Yeah perhaps. There’s always more and different tests that could be done. Thanks for watching.

[@Lucysdad66]

I know it makes a difference to bench rest shooters my dad does bench rest and I mostly load for hunting and my dad's scale cost more then all my reloading equipment combined..

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Yeah when you compete at that level in BR or FClass, it definitely matters.

[@sd3gunner]

What about the old charger master , with the mcdonalds straw?

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

ha...still works like a charm.

[@jacobdeem8499]

At the money this thing cost, I’d go autotrickler if for no other reason than the scale

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Sounds good. Thanks for the comment.

[@beachboardfan9544]

Lol, how can you say these results were just the result of the powder? Did you weigh/sort the individual bullets? Looks like u just pulled them out of the box... Did you measure seating pressure, sure doesnt look like it. You're comparing variables that are so close you would need to have ever possible variable accounted for to legitimately say one product is better than the other. This video is just a commercial and a bad one at that if the viewer is anyone with marginal competence in reloading for accuracy and consistency.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

never been much of a scientist. the video is shown for information and discussion purposes mainly. clearly it also shows the differences in features and results too.