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E-Sky 300 V2 / Blade 150FX Review & Test Flight - Awesome Looking RC Helicopters.

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John Salt

John Salt

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@mcnut1
@mcnut1 3 жыл бұрын
All that technology for just $160 US. Mind boggling. I am old enough to remember prices for rc helicopters in the 1980ies. What a difference. Another well done video, John. Thank you.
@sed6
@sed6 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, 160 bucks wouldn't cover a good set of blades and a boom back then!
@mcnut1
@mcnut1 3 жыл бұрын
@@sed6 Yes, you are absolutely right. I do remember a set of wooden rotor blades for a Kalt Baron 60 cost $50 in 1982. In todays money that is $150. Hard to believe for younger folks today.
@ChrisCoolYT
@ChrisCoolYT 2 жыл бұрын
And no gyro, only Bell Hiller rotor head.
@polylight
@polylight 2 жыл бұрын
We are so spoiled in RC today, and people will still complain that various products are "overpriced". I'm a big user of 1.7g servos (about $4) which wouldn't even be in a lab at MIT back in the day.
@guardianobserver6593
@guardianobserver6593 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when only those who had building skills were flying and the rest were spectators. Now everyone with a credit card say that he is a modelist. Dangerous people, accidents, governments rules, death of rc modelism. I am happy that I lived the last years of pure modelism.
@Goigigandfriends
@Goigigandfriends 2 жыл бұрын
When you said small KZbinr (been subscribed for a while) I had no idea you only had 30ish k subs your quality at that of a million subscriber channel! Keep up the great work
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback 🙂
@Annonymous0283745
@Annonymous0283745 2 жыл бұрын
Don't lie, you have the "Airwolf" theme song in your head whenever you fly it.
@MisterFra
@MisterFra 2 жыл бұрын
ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@knightrider3766
@knightrider3766 2 жыл бұрын
lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@synthoelectro
@synthoelectro 2 жыл бұрын
wooooooeeeethhhhhhooooooo (makes that sound it makes)
@marccas10
@marccas10 2 жыл бұрын
Da dada da da da da da dada!
@kptnkaizo8498
@kptnkaizo8498 2 жыл бұрын
All the scene inside his head be like
@blackwater7183
@blackwater7183 3 жыл бұрын
I have been flying FPV drones for awhile now, I am still a big fan of helis. I just really like how it looks and flys.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
E-Sky 300 V2 RTF RC Helicopter Package Banggood: www.banggood.com/custlink/GKGR48lsII Blade 150FX: www.horizonhobby.com/product/150-fx-rtf/BLH4400.html 300 V2 / 150FX OpenTX Setup Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGXXdXWfjZuIbZo
@mdebrahimomi8558
@mdebrahimomi8558 2 жыл бұрын
Your vidio is very interesting and instructive for Technicians. because make you smart mini halecaptor & smoothly flying. So i would like to more technology. Thank you so much for that,
@gheckolytes0075
@gheckolytes0075 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Its the Airwolf 😁
@Rossipoo702
@Rossipoo702 2 жыл бұрын
had my earbud in while watching thought i was hearing my 3d printer in the background. realized it was yours in the video lol
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Good ear 🙂👍
@matthewmillaisgray
@matthewmillaisgray 2 жыл бұрын
Good day John salt, just wanted to share a note thanking you very much for sharing your enthusiastic video concerning the E-Sky 300 V2 RTF RC Helicopter. Your attention to detail & friendly presentation made it simple for me to follow and learn a few things of which I am appreciative and grateful for. This product is a good find and it is nice to see some fun quality features here. Although off topic for this video but encompassing your channel, I have also enjoyed your 3D printed R2 project for the same reasons. Wishing you all the best for you & your channel from the Cape of Good Hope peninsula SA
@jcd13able
@jcd13able 2 жыл бұрын
Back in '93 when I was getting into rc helis, if someone would have showed me this micro heli and said it was flyable, I would have told him he was nuts! The closest thing we had back then was kyosho concept 10 heli and that was orders of magnitude larger in size. It's incredible how everything shrunk down in size to allow this to happen. Simply incredible.
@emreturkay4729
@emreturkay4729 3 ай бұрын
One of the best RC helicopter I ever saw🎉.
@WoodsUnknown
@WoodsUnknown 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone remember the show called Airwolf. Looks kind like it.
@borisp9163
@borisp9163 2 жыл бұрын
its inspired by it for sure, but they kind of ruined it, original looks much more badass
@michaelanderson3813
@michaelanderson3813 2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing
@KrishnaWMukti
@KrishnaWMukti 2 жыл бұрын
True
@Annonymous0283745
@Annonymous0283745 2 жыл бұрын
I remember it very well. Did you know that the helicopter that "played" the part of Airwolf in the show crashed while being used as an air ambulance, killing all 3 people on board?
@b3njaminP
@b3njaminP 2 жыл бұрын
Loved that show as a kid. Along with Ateam too
@Fullfill253
@Fullfill253 2 жыл бұрын
Everytime i need good info on my next purchase i always come to your channel and never leave dissapointed thanks a lot john greetings from nyc
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
🙂👍
@gamecockmike175
@gamecockmike175 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you guys remember the show Airwolf, the television show back in the 80's but that is and will be one of my all time favorite television shows. To get to the point, This helicopter looks almost identical and I want one now. If it's not to expensive, I will own one in about 30 minutes after this video
@obadiahsmith2345
@obadiahsmith2345 2 жыл бұрын
35 minutes did you order it yet?
@PNWdude777
@PNWdude777 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is the best, articulated and detailed review I've ever seen...thx!👏
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@KearSki
@KearSki 3 жыл бұрын
Wait- Companies still make small realistic looking helis? Fantastic!
@808G8GT
@808G8GT 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like AIRWOLF. If you grew up in the 80s you will know what I'm talking about.
@user-ij4fe1tc2n
@user-ij4fe1tc2n 2 жыл бұрын
yeah,it's a super helicopter
@jcd13able
@jcd13able 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, my kalt enforcer .30zr also had a hollow mast thru which the collective pitch mechanism was routed. Plus, the entire main gear system was fully enclosed in a plastic body. One negative of this was that there was extra drag from all those gears inside thus reducing power and the hollow mast didn't provide as much pitch as on conventional helis.
@fpvpilot7713
@fpvpilot7713 2 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video. I got mine and it looks and flies great. Beware that the mx 2.0 plug on other batteries usually have reversed polarity. Someone on the forums said they smoked the main board because of this. My new 300 v2 has a warning to only use genuine Esky batteries. Batteries are about impossible to find right now. Esky said they need a US and European distributor and the delivery airline is still down from the pandemic.
@onetrackbikes5127
@onetrackbikes5127 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video.
@EBalagot007
@EBalagot007 2 жыл бұрын
I remember my first RC helicopter is an ESKY Lama V3 co-axial
@jamesmaroon6161
@jamesmaroon6161 3 жыл бұрын
Hey John. This helo looks like the airwolf chopper. That was the T.V show a long time ago. Like this helo appreciate the video. Have a great week.
@junebugrc3015
@junebugrc3015 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! I was looking for a vid on this before I take my maiden flight I'm very excited can't wait to fly mine now . Thankyou for your detailed reviews 😁👍👍
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Have fun 👍
@43one
@43one 2 жыл бұрын
The F150 looks like Air wolf! screeeeechhowl!!
@Raven3one
@Raven3one 3 жыл бұрын
I used to have their V3 Lama. I miss that chopper so damn much
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
@Raven3one - yep, that was a neat little scale coaxial.
@gtm624
@gtm624 3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the blades I thought for sure it was collective. Hopefully a bnf option. I’ll be flying my first collective Sunday.
@jaimieboy999
@jaimieboy999 2 жыл бұрын
Never mind that heli, that is one nice place you live sir.
@bluejack644
@bluejack644 2 жыл бұрын
You've come a long way since the Vertibird baby!
@asifheliRC
@asifheliRC 3 жыл бұрын
Nice SHINY HELICOPTER. THANKS FOR VIDEO.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@michaelc2528
@michaelc2528 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John! Good to see and hear you again! Looks like a cool little bird! Thanks for the detailed review! Michael
@andyjoelharper3448
@andyjoelharper3448 3 жыл бұрын
Love your video John! I now own a E-Sky 150 V2 since watching your video a year ago. I love it! RIP Stringfellow! Keep up the up the good work! Cheers :D
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@supjay3945
@supjay3945 2 жыл бұрын
props to cameraman
@SWR112
@SWR112 2 жыл бұрын
Shame it doesn’t look like Airwolf, I seriously wouldn’t buy it on that alone. 😢 but that 200 looks fantastic.
@Everett-xe3eg
@Everett-xe3eg Жыл бұрын
What a sweet ass little unit. Thanks for letting me scrub your timeline.
@h.cedric8157
@h.cedric8157 3 жыл бұрын
*A I R W O L F*
@jtkeys7618
@jtkeys7618 3 жыл бұрын
I just took apart my xk123 waiting for fuselage & tail motor. I love that little heli. Think I’m gonna love this little guy too. I can’t believe it’s FP. Thank you for a great review. Greetings from NJ
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
👍🙂
@russraman
@russraman Жыл бұрын
Excellent video... Thanks!
@newt2010
@newt2010 2 жыл бұрын
great review. Nice little bird. Love the way they made the rotor head, for such a cheap little heli. BTW - Beautiful property there.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks - yep, it's well executed head arrangement.
@denrizza
@denrizza 2 жыл бұрын
I would want one with the paint design of Air Wolf. 😀
@antwango
@antwango 2 жыл бұрын
If you’re willing to pay for the extra licensing lol
@SmileyFace01
@SmileyFace01 3 жыл бұрын
Uploaded an hour ago? You have been blessed by the mighty algorithm!
@davidrivero7943
@davidrivero7943 3 жыл бұрын
@Smiley Face. John Salt & Mark Felton, 🔔✔ the rest have to wait. :)
@bambanglindonesia
@bambanglindonesia 2 жыл бұрын
Im 40 yo.... Long time ago... That is my favorite movie.. AIR WOLF... MICHAEL AND DOMINIC.
@ghostshadow382
@ghostshadow382 2 жыл бұрын
How would this go with a micro fpv camera on it to get a flight view
@DerredmaxTRIAX
@DerredmaxTRIAX 3 жыл бұрын
John your reviews are so good! thanks...
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@gdhall5311
@gdhall5311 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty nice little heli, good job John.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciated 🙂
@oubliette862
@oubliette862 3 жыл бұрын
thats nice looks like the old Bell was it?, the air wolf. this rc looks so much like it.
@Annonymous0283745
@Annonymous0283745 2 жыл бұрын
Bell 222
@BlazeIsaf
@BlazeIsaf 2 жыл бұрын
It’s da Bell 222 Airwolf!
@cpt.hindsight
@cpt.hindsight 3 жыл бұрын
Nice helicopter, garden and house looking good too😁👍👌
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
🙂
@roderickwinslow8642
@roderickwinslow8642 7 ай бұрын
I took that thing apart and put it in a 1/35 scale hh-65 it flys but not without modifying the blades so it can get more lift also did it with a ah-1z i wish they had a motor upgrade for these so it could be brushless or if it had the gearbox of the yellow eflite brushed helicopter but then it wouldn't fit so clean, it would be nice if they would make mechanics that are intended for any 1/35 model helicopter mice size and not to big, it would be nice!
@tamalpias
@tamalpias 2 жыл бұрын
Dang I gotta start an rc helicopter review channel. I want a beautiful house just like yours. I’ll need to improve my English skills though because your voice is very clear and concise. Love it!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the kind comment; however, these RC heli reviews have nothing to do with the house. I self built /self contracted our home before KZbin even existed. My little channel barely makes enough to pay the power bill each month - lol. 😄
@tamalpias
@tamalpias 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rchelicopterfun hahaha I know KZbin isn’t paying any of your bills, I was looking for a rc helicopter for my 7 year old son for Christmas and not wanting to be caught without a gift I am researching for one so I can buy it now. That is how I stumbled upon your channel. Just wanted to thank you for making such excellent quality videos you are putting up.
@somwelll
@somwelll Жыл бұрын
i like this little chanel of yours
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@annappaji2118
@annappaji2118 2 жыл бұрын
This is nice flying to good
@fnglert
@fnglert 2 жыл бұрын
*Airwolf theme intensifies*
@strexttp
@strexttp 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice Heli !
@moosahans4830
@moosahans4830 3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for you to do this review , thanks 😊
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure - 🙂
@emsochetra671
@emsochetra671 3 жыл бұрын
Great! It’s such a very detailed video, thank u
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@nickdean468
@nickdean468 2 жыл бұрын
I wounder how that little heli would fly with a brushless motor config. it already looks like it flies awsome .
@w.j.bendellr.c.flying.1037
@w.j.bendellr.c.flying.1037 2 жыл бұрын
What an excellent review. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@mikebenson1104
@mikebenson1104 2 жыл бұрын
Future airwolf
@jimmyrobinson3258
@jimmyrobinson3258 2 жыл бұрын
Go ahead and laugh.but I love the Walmart skyrover.ive had three.but I'm ready to upgrade.thanks for the video,I want one!!!
@FunnyHaHa420
@FunnyHaHa420 2 жыл бұрын
A couple 3d printed gun pods and you got yerself Airwolf.
@perfectmediagaming6669
@perfectmediagaming6669 2 жыл бұрын
You ain't a true helicopter fan if u didn't think airwolf as soon as u see the thumbnail
@freenfinity
@freenfinity 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful heli
@TheEyeOfHorus69
@TheEyeOfHorus69 2 жыл бұрын
Air Wolf 😍
@wookrott4890
@wookrott4890 2 жыл бұрын
thats AIRWOLF!! hahah
@keithbrown2458
@keithbrown2458 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review thank you
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Trevorbailey-i7s
@Trevorbailey-i7s 2 жыл бұрын
I dont even see real helicopters fly that good
@earlyculyer4103
@earlyculyer4103 3 жыл бұрын
Nice lawn job! Is that The gate to your kingdom? Any rooms for rent a real quiet and I like RC's lol
@Splitscreen83
@Splitscreen83 2 жыл бұрын
Looks fantastic. Great flying skills too 😎👍
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙂
@LDem-xj7ex
@LDem-xj7ex 2 жыл бұрын
excellent review. well done and thanks
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks back.
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand any of the terminology,but it all sounds very interesting
@ae-jo5gb
@ae-jo5gb Жыл бұрын
Glorious house
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
🙂
@edwincordero8
@edwincordero8 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect review
@birdmanbl
@birdmanbl 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John great clip as usual may I ask what state you're in ? It's gorgeous trees looks alpine
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
BC Canada
@RickyD1968
@RickyD1968 Жыл бұрын
Very cool heli but why didn't they give it landing gear like the F150 ?
@torvicrox7923
@torvicrox7923 2 жыл бұрын
It must be upgrade the battery power so that it will last for longer minutes of flying.
@parinyasukkaewnmanee113
@parinyasukkaewnmanee113 3 жыл бұрын
So cool toy.Keep going
@MySweetperson
@MySweetperson 2 жыл бұрын
Can we upgrade this model 300 V2 with wheels ?
@shadowandmystify
@shadowandmystify 2 жыл бұрын
Looks similar to a Bell 222, the helo Airwolf was based off of.
@larrychamel
@larrychamel 2 жыл бұрын
Nice little fixed pitch heli, great for a kids 1st heli! Great video as always John. I hope all is well with you and your Family and you're all staying safe and healthy! Happy belated Thanksgiving to You and your Family. Stay safe my friend and take care John. ❤🙏❤
@paulreeder5241
@paulreeder5241 2 жыл бұрын
Belated means "Late in coming". Thanksgiving isn't here yet. Just being a troll.
@CriptoNovedad
@CriptoNovedad 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulreeder5241 Maybe he is from Canada.
@adriangall9025
@adriangall9025 2 жыл бұрын
Didnt even know Esky still made heli's.
@JohnVHRC
@JohnVHRC 3 жыл бұрын
1Cool little helis
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@abyssalreclass
@abyssalreclass 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, ESky is still around? I had a Belt CP v2 that I had to toss when I crashed it and couldn't find parts anymore for it. I thought they went under.
@JohnTaylor-ne2kz
@JohnTaylor-ne2kz 2 жыл бұрын
First thing I noticed was how quiet it is. Very sleek profile too. John, I noticed you didn't take it apart prior to the flight, like you do on most micro helis. Any particular reason?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
@Patrik - Mostly timing. If I would have done the teardown first, it would have been pretty dark out not to mention this is a mechanically simple fixed pitch heli and is not as critical if something is not put together at the factory correctly like it is on a collective pitch helicopter. 🙂
@JohnTaylor-ne2kz
@JohnTaylor-ne2kz 2 жыл бұрын
@@RchelicopterfunI always learn a thing or two when I watch a John Salt video, thanks. If you have a minute and don't mind. I'd like to ask you 2 quick questions. 1. Do you fly full scale helicopters too? 2. What part of the country do you live in? I just noticed the mountains in the background in this video. They're beautiful, and don't seem to far away from you. I'm a mountain guy myself, have been all my life. Best state I ever lived in was Montana. The only problem I had was that it was windy almost every single day. Cuts into your RC flight time :-)
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
@Patrick - 1. Nope - it was my plan in my 20's, but there were very few job prospects at the time. I cover the story and how I got into the hobby in more detail on my about me page on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/about.html 2. Location - Rockies of BC Canada - near Mt. Robson/Valemount.
@patrickoakes817
@patrickoakes817 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the same helicopter thats in the show Airwolf?
@933pilgrim
@933pilgrim Жыл бұрын
If compare Blade 120S and Blade 150FX - which one better to buy? Why? Thanks
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
If you already have a Spektrum transmitter, then the 120S BNF make the most sense because it uses DSM protocol so you could bind it to your existing radio. It's also a little more beginner friendly than the 150FX. The 150FX uses Esky's protocol so can't be bound to a Spektrum Radio. It is more performance minded than the 120S.
@933pilgrim
@933pilgrim Жыл бұрын
@@Rchelicopterfun Thanks for reply. I flew 120SR before and new one looks same like old one. I like 150 better. Or may be 230 S with CP BNF. As for my Spektrum - I have DX7s - for planes mostly...
@teamnoble117
@teamnoble117 3 жыл бұрын
could you do a radiomaster tx16s setup with this heli John? You are the master when it comes to them. Thank you sir
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, soon
@richardsalley9848
@richardsalley9848 2 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@gwpattrick
@gwpattrick 3 жыл бұрын
That airwolf
@alphamrc309
@alphamrc309 2 жыл бұрын
Very neat!
@Align700nitro
@Align700nitro Жыл бұрын
They should have made it a collective pitch for all the trouble they went through. it's not that hard to put in that one extra servo.
@bladex9061
@bladex9061 2 жыл бұрын
Hi John, thanks for your awesome sharing! Is the tail brushless?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 жыл бұрын
I said in the review it's coreless direct drive = brushed.
@bladex9061
@bladex9061 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rchelicopterfun thanks. Sorry, I might have missed it. Thanks for your reply...
@davaoeagle72713
@davaoeagle72713 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. My favorite heli.... look great! Love it!
@Facewest
@Facewest 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review I think you just sold one.
@scottfirman
@scottfirman 3 жыл бұрын
My wife says I have enough toys. I told her the titty bar was my other option. Looks like I get another toy, lol.
@MauriceJones21
@MauriceJones21 2 жыл бұрын
It also looks like Air Wolf.
@wliedruop
@wliedruop 2 жыл бұрын
cool whrer can i find pepole to talking together abut drone and hilcopter
@MorbidSwede
@MorbidSwede 3 жыл бұрын
Airwolf!
@borusa32
@borusa32 3 жыл бұрын
Airwolf?
@123windyron
@123windyron 3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid thanks much.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@123windyron
@123windyron 3 жыл бұрын
Much so very nice!
@rcsbyrich3035
@rcsbyrich3035 3 жыл бұрын
Great in depth video. Can I ask when you say not begginer friendly I've Flown fixed wing and have alot of drone air hours so am aware of the basic coordination and thought rather than buying an altitude hold e130 this would be a better introduction for me before moving up. Once again great video thanks.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 жыл бұрын
@Richard C - I cover this question in detail on my website. These two pages specifically: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html www.rchelicopterfun.com/are-rc-helicopters-hard-to-fly.html As those two pages point out - it totally depends how deep you want to jump into helis when getting started. Fixed wing time doesn't relate at all to heli flight with the exception of banking turns at speed. Quad copter time gives the same basic movements, but they are so easy to fly (especially the GPS ones) compared to a typical RC heli which is a constant balancing act. No question however quad time will help with the basics. Anything with a fuselage should be avoided however for your first introduction to helis - they only complicate things, are more fragile & add extra weight. As I said in the video and if you take the time to study those pages on my website - always better to first learn on pod & boom regardless if it's fixed pitch or collective pitch (my opinion as an RC heli instructor & enthusiast).
@rcsbyrich3035
@rcsbyrich3035 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rchelicopterfun thanks for the lengthy answer and link. Most helpful 👍
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