RDR2 Bounty System Explained! Never Get A Bounty! Red Dead Redemption 2 Guide

[@TagBackTv]

For those of you too impatient to watch the actual video and still want to comment thinking you are right, watch 7:19 For how changing clothes effect civilians recognizing you even with a mask on. This information is from rockstar, tested, and 100% accurate.

[@zackhayes1268]

TagBackTV why is the video longer than 2 mins lol

[@lanceseaman88]

@@zackhayes1268 to show each situation type in action. He's just pointing out when the most important tip is but with out context it might not be as helpful. Anymore questions?

[@SithChaplain]

Oh no he proved us wrong! Quick, talk shit about the video length! Lmao trolls.

[@unusualaussie9606]

Can you do the mission where you rescue Mika without a bounty? And if I understand this correctly no matter what you do if a cop sees you, disguise or not you get a bounty?

[@obellnissan12]

7:19 you were spotted by a lawman and even 8:25

[@SleepingLion525]

Ahhh 1899, the year of satellite surveillance, teleportation, and mass clone lawmen production.

[@hervisdaubeny2644]

Good times.

[@nikolaybababooey7644]

Alex M Leviticus Cornwall developed a special unit of artificially modernized lawman- Pinkertons. They are supposed to be very annoying.

[@sauce6746]

and they see through a mask sometimes

[@justmuppet1765]

@@sauce6746 no they recognize you if they get close enough

[@sauce6746]

@@justmuppet1765 no i didnt have bounty i paid it all off and put some good time between the last robery to start again and i had different clothes and they still recognized me...the mask was big and my hat put shadow over my eyes...

[@lonesomedriver2554]

Law here has much faster response time than gta 5 cops even in the middle of nowhere I guess cellphones were secretly a thing in 1899

[@ggiillii2813]

If you kill somebody while nobody is around you will still be wanted in gta5

[@sauce6746]

lmao somehow out in the desert with no lawmen in the area i still get a crime reported lmao how

[@donnykitsune5707]

Because surveillance cameras I guess

[@Vixen1525]

It is the Ol' Wild West Gestapo wait what.

[@michaelbugner7011]

Right? I robbed a train once and and soon as I got to the engine, the cops had shown up. Pro tip, you can't outrun cops in a train. They'll kill you.

[@n0questi0n]

Arthur must be a pretty popular guy if every npc in the game knows his first and last name as soon as they see his face.

[@desikatta9011]

n0questi0n he has a 5000 bounty as said by the Pinkerton

[@otffolks6726]

DESI KATTA never mind

[@AlexKS1992]

@@desikatta9011 With a $5000 bounty I'd say he is very popular.

[@JangoPeppers]

Guess this is why they removed the Fame system- everybody already knows you the moment you step into town!

[@futurestoryteller]

The idea is that the law already knows who you are, and a person who has seen your face can identify distinctive features. It's like a sped up version of what you'd expect to happen in reality.

[@ARGONEntertainment]

Some guy pickpocketed me in saint denis so then i hogtied him took my money back then i though if i took him to the sherifs office i would get a reward nope just got a bounty for kidnapping

[@ekkagames824]

Yea that part is stupid

[@gleam6370]

ARGON Scope lmao it’s a game (a masterpiece). It’s not a real life simulator, not everything works the way you want to

[@expiredcoffee7991]

@@gleam6370 I love it when I rob a train in the middle of nowhere and they know it's Arthur Morgan and lawmen spawn in everywhere. Super fun. I love RDR2, but so many aspects are broken.

[@kanetidus]

I remember that part, after I got my money back, I took him in the swamp and feed it to alligators

[@6jackace]

@@gleam6370 a masterpiece would let me take criminals to a jail, even if there was no reward.

[@chippin_in5015]

The problem is I only ever use my one beautiful outfit and I morally refuse to change it.

[@namedoesntmatter9330]

Kinda the same thing with me. I have such cool custom outfits, And Im parcel to them lol.

[@AdobeAirpods]

I have 8 hours and have still yet to change outfits or even put an extra outfit on my horse like for snow

[@gglreallysucks5512]

Omg I have this exact same problem. Certain clothes seem like the “best” to me and I don’t wanna change them

[@elijah2658]

Same lmaooo

[@sayxxdx]

*Dutch has asked the gang to not use weapons in Rhodes*

[@dreamsofmemes5942]

*You cannot use weapons while deputized in Rhodes*

[@freerealestate6531]

Rhodes? I have a 300$ bounty in rhodes already and am only on chapter 2

[@chrisg5219]

My God I hate that so much. You'd think they'd at least give you some benefit or cool mechanic.

[@willraines6457]

Free Real Estate it’s chapter 3

[@quantumleap4023]

When I became a deputy I was like, "yes! Rockstar finally lets us be cops!" It was a huge let down.

[@merisonola]

I REALLY Hate how someone can pull a gun on you... shoot you... and then when you punch them out or pistol whip them, you get a wanted level. Wtf??? You should be able to defend yourself anywhere in the game with no penalty. Except when robbing someone, of course. They should be able to defend themselves too. 😂

[@machomanalexyt5736]

But that would make too much sense

[@merisonola]

Josh Holden ... lol... so true. I had to kill 2 campers and chase down 3 different witnesses, killing 2 and hogtieing the last just because of that same scenario. It was raining bad honor that day.

[@DooMedSean]

I've noticed in places like van Horne and the slums of St Denis you can get away with a few dirty deeds before shit gets hairy.

[@joaocarlospaesjr2324]

Thats is rockstar IA system to us , absolutelly everything npcs done is right but everything we done is wrong , and no matter wath we done is our fault .

[@huynhyurivanvladamir7978]

@@joshholden9360 just because 2 assholes i killed the entire town of Valentine Lawmans ...

[@Epok97]

Eventually the NPCs will get an upgrade where they’re like “shit Arthur Morgan just changed his clothes, call the cops something is gonna go down.”

[@connorb9097]

Epok97 but he does so it’ll be John Marston

[@emilfilms]

@@connorb9097 rip spoilers

[@sicarn1470]

@@connorb9097 you spoiling piece of shit.

[@connorb9097]

For fuck sakes, ITS A PREQUEL TO RDR, Do the math. And it’s been what? 3 weeks. Cats gotta be outta the bag now.

[@assassinwoman16]

Ikr

[@lorderik237]

Arthur: **breathes** Guy 2 towns over: "Im gEtTiN' tHe LaW!"

[@DracoPadilla]

Fuckin seriously though. I love this game but the wanted for anything shit annoys the holy fucking shit out of me to the point that I just turn it off and don't play it for a few months.

[@Suztvfan]

@@DracoPadilla Sure but if it a small thing you can defuse it sometimes and they don't report it or you can even talk your way out of it with the law if they haven't seen you commit the crime. I got ambused in Saint Denis, they made sure it was a secluded location so no witnesses who saw me but they just heard the gunshots after I shot them. Police came in to investigate but because no one saw me commit the crime, I calmly talked to the police before they went to investigate. Was told to move along because there seemed to be something going on. They couldn't identify a suspect and I got no bounty. After walking out of the red circle a civilian commented about all the blood on my clothes and that I looked like a murderer.

[@DracoPadilla]

@@Suztvfan The other day I accidentally ran over a chicken on my horse in Saint Denis. When I tried to surrender, the cop just started shooting at me. Then all of his cop buddies came and they all rained a shit storm down on my head. Over a fuckin CHICKEN!

[@DracoPadilla]

@@Suztvfan You're lucky then cuz they don't act like that for me. For me they just come out guns blazin. Even if a dude hits me first or takes a shot at me first, I can't do anything back or I get in trouble. Even though its self defense. Idk I love this game, but the wanted system is very broken. Shit even back in the days on the old GTA's or rdr1 if someone hit you the cop would take them to jail, not you. In SA i would get punched in front of a cop and the cop would beat the shit out of the guy that hit me. When they made GTA V they broke the wanted system and won't fix it. On GTA V I'll be out on a boat in the middle of the ocean and start firing my weapons to test them amd the cops will just appear out of nowhere. Like who tf called them? A fuckin shark? Its ridiculous.

[@crazykraken4139]

Why did you say that. THE LAW WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS COMMENT!!!

[@Soklay16]

It's funny how this guy talks. Every sentence starts high and ends on a low note. It's like music

[@BassFlapper]

he talks like that to increase watchtime

[@jamesaf928]

Lmao

[@accordiontv1]

Boring music

[@andrewdavies1312]

Strange thing to notice. But now that's all I can hear

[@karinahayworth2882]

Its what the rest of the world calls uptalking. Because only americans do it. If anyone else does it, it's because they like americans. It's beyond irritating how much it has infected the world. We need an extinction event.

[@ThatGuyKh1]

Oh my god that man defended himself! Cops! Cops! Get out here he’s a monster!

[@Mazetism]

god I hate that. Accidentally bump into a guy on the way out of a store. Guy pulls a gun out and starts shooting at me. I shoot him in self defense since I would die while running away. Get bounty.

[@OddysChannel]

​@@Mazetism I think it's realistic that people will report you even if you kill your attacker since they don't know why or who you killed they only know that you killed someone out there. I'd report that too to the sheriff. They won't report you if they see the attacker attacking you but most times the witness see you killing the target too late. I had a bug once in Valentine where i said rude things to an npc and he drew a weapon on me and started shooting. I quickly killed him with dead eye but the town called the sheriff on me for a murder. That was pretty dumb but I think it was a bug rather than a feature.

[@TheSpacecraftX]

Do you also think it's realistic to get shot at for bumping into someone because of clunky controls?

[@Mazetism]

@@TheSpacecraftX Not really no.

[@poisonedcrow9311]

Lyonmane ™ I’d accept the realism thing only if you could explain yourself to the witness or lawman, in rl you’re allowed to tell your side of the story. As far as I know you can only threaten witnesses and surrender to lawman.

[@thelastminuteman7513]

Ohhhhh, that explains why ive been getting instant bounties even though im warning mask. Now if only i could defend myself from an attacker without incurring a bounty for self defense.

[@wesleyhudnall3353]

Russian Bot I feel ya

[@ThePaleHorse94]

You can, just melee them instead of shooting them.

[@jcmiller23]

@@ThePaleHorse94 that gets you a bounty just the same

[@cannibalraptor]

I knocked a guy out with a gun in town because they were trying to drown a lady in a horse water trough and got a bounty. I just did a good thing and still was the bad guy. My feelings are hurt

[@bonesoftheark4665]

@@cannibalraptor lol I had the exact same situation.

[@true2the_322]

Awesome, I was starting to think mask did nothing. This game is incredible but it doesnt really explain things to well. Lol

[@augustster5762]

I think it is their intention, because if they told us all the things in details that we need to know and can do in the game, all the excitement of the game will be gone. So, figuring things out ourselves keep the game fresh all the time.

[@Asufiku]

@@augustster5762 agreed

[@toothlesstoe]

You basically have to treat these scenarios as if they were real life.

[@GushChew]

i was still getting tutorial missions ten hours in if they wanted to explain everything the whole game would be tutorial missions

[@iicashiiv790]

Law Abiding Citizen treat everything you do in the game like it was real life and make real life decisions and it will work out better

[@Ohmu]

The only crime committed here is not feeding your horse.

[@hammerbro1947]

Or even worse, shooting/blowing up your level 4 bond horse.

[@nathenbosher1067]

You dont even need to feed it it doesnt affect anything at all really

[@rabiealkurba2520]

@@nathenbosher1067 how about filling the cores ?

[@braxinIV]

Nathen Bosher how about not being an abusive asshole to your horse! Sike, its just meshes of code. Do whatever you want

[@johnkisaragi5920]

@@hammerbro1947 i love doing that after getting a new better horse lol. Molly them after tying them to a post. Extra points if you get other bandits hogtied onto the horse and molly them

[@Fiddlemaster56]

The witness system in the game is broken without a shadow of a doubt. If you use nothing but a bow, go into the back of the doctor's office, kill everyone back there before they say a single word, there are people outside in the front that know what you did. The sheriff/deputy/law officer are already "know what you did." There is absolute no way in the game you can rob a store without everyone knowing outside. It's really pathetic and beyond frustrating.

[@Fiddlemaster56]

Half the time if you're in an isolated area and shoot someone, an NPC spawns magically behind you and is already at full gallop leaving the scene.

[@slmtiger4823]

Johnny Vegas GTA V made me mad about that. You’d kill somebody in the middle of nowhere with a melee weapon or a suppressed weapon and they magically know you did it

[@abdullahkerem3175]

Thats a lie, I robbed doctor in Valentine like 100 times while wearing my mask. Took the money, left the shop and took off my mask while leaving the shop. I got wanted for like only 10 times out of 100.

[@abdullahkerem3175]

@Your Dad Yes, just scare folk outside of the shop , rob doctor, and kill him with melee, and escape. Works!

[@thothheartmaat2833]

I think that's the way the back room is supposed to go down. I tried it twice and both times the sheriff ran in so I blasted him..

[@robertjr8239]

“Who killed this guy?” It was some guy in a mask. “That’s authur fuckin Morgan!”

[@1gouki1]

Basically, just have one or two outfits for crimes and two for your law "abiding" life, like the O'Driscoll gang; they wear black and green with hoods for crimes but sometimes you'll encounter them in Strawberry wearing regular clothes and making threats at you.

[@quantumleap4023]

What mask do you like to use?

[@1gouki1]

Quantum Leap the pig face, I think it automatically freaks out NPCs straight away.

[@FlyLikeRedBull]

If you change your clothes/hat/mask as your riding away from being wanted the wanted level literally drops faster for everyone who doesn't believe changing clothes helps.

[@TagBackTv]

Yes Sir!

[@lanceseaman88]

Yeah once you're out of the red zone removing the mask drops the meter quick. And I imagine the more you change the faster it drops as you said. It was weird I robbed the medical place in Valentine for the revolver and then got caught in the room cause i was trying to open the bank door. The only bounty I got was 1$ for bumping the cop on the way out and then $2 more for running. I took off and then removed my mask and then just went back and payed the lousy 3 dollars but it wad so weird. 4 dead bodies and me standing there and they only get bad at the push and then running from the push lol

[@Sage.....]

ImFlyLikeRedBull yeah but to do that you have to get off you're horse as you can't change cloths while riding, might as well just keep riding and go some place else as the red circle is never a problem to get away from tbf.

[@FlyLikeRedBull]

@@Sage..... you can change cloths when your trotting/going slow. Just not while your moving to fast

[@MrChriscable]

You can change your clothes on your horse, but only when travelling slowly. Maybe a slow trot????

[@arcemu1335]

I was giving a woman a ride back to town after her horse died on the road. I came in a bit too fast and she fell off, I became wanted for unarmed assault.....FML

[@tychogoedhart286]

Same I rescued a girl who was being kidnapped and when I cut her loose from the binds her capturer had put on her she screamed "I don't have to deal with this!" And ran away and I got a bounty for kidnapping. Also at one point I was just calmly riding through saint denis minding my own business and I got a random unexplained $5 bounty, tbf I had just refused to kill a guy for the mayor so maybe that's why but still, just riding through saint denis doing nothing and greeting people being friendly and suddenly a cop starts shooting at me and I get a $5 dollar bounty with no crime attributed to it in the prompt and I just ride my horse out of there asap to the next town over's mail office to pay it off

[@sanchezmp8896]

😂😅🤣🤣💀

[@arthurtheoppressor7104]

When someone needs ride because their horse died I lasso and drag them twords town

[@jylpah]

Well, just got that mission yesterday. I whistled my horse to give her a ride. I thought my horse was close enough and pressed E, but ended up accidentally chocking her 😳 No apology was enough for her and she ran away. Oops.

[@Dolarhydes_Funkytown]

@@tychogoedhart286 fuck st. denis dude, always get a bounty for doing normal shit there. Its so populated

[@Lumberjack_0187]

Me: "Walks inside clothing shop" Robber: "pickpockets me" Me: "finally catches guy with lasso" Everyone: "Witnesses a kidnapping" "Instant bounty"

[@kodikowalko3588]

Nux people down the road wouldnt know you were pickpocketed so it makes sense for them to assume your the criminal

[@Lumberjack_0187]

@@kodikowalko3588 i know, but you have to admit it's a little stupid x)

[@eigorson]

I tackled him, then knocked him out and got his money, no bounty

[@johnphoenix1822]

In my experience like the guy who robs you running out of the gunsmith, you can lasso him just enough to loot your money back then you have to let him go because if you attempt to pick his hogtied body up, it's kidnapping.

[@MrLolliam]

That happened to me at the saint denise tailor yesterday. I immediately went back out the door and put both barrels of my sawn off in his back. The townsfolk were horrified but no bounty.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

Dutch Van Der Linde *wants to know your location*

[@thatguyman6044]

Swedishmafia101 Shitposting Inc. Lol

[@Piggy991]

Heaven

[@nikobellic6112]

I sure do!

[@joaocarlospaesjr2324]

True I Lost the times when Bill or Charles found me from nowhere , when I was in the wilderness exploring .

[@spicysnowman8886]

Dutch has a "PLAN" and trusts the guy he has known for less than a year more than the guy has raised since he was 15

[@holdengts8657]

I think this is cool. Walked into a saloon and heard this guy mouthing off. No promt to talk or hit. So I pushed him to start the fight. Ppl reported it to the law and everyone exit the saloon. When the law got there I was still punching on. No weapons just fist. The law just stood there till I knocked him out. He then walked up to me and told me to walk. I had to walk out of town and didn't receive a bounty.

[@penguin9941]

HoldenGTS86 assault is a crime in the old west? Nope, you either kill or get killed. That’s the only way people died then

[@jessegimenez8175]

HoldenGTS86 wow that is actually amazingly immersive and badass, thanks for sharing dude makes me want this game more.

[@johnnyappleseed6665]

That hapened to me too!! We was throwing hamds in the saloon and the lawmen just told to me to keep it moving.. I almost shed a tear of jou at the bad assery ..

[@TheRPGentleman]

Oh the things I would do for a HSV Maloo!

[@reddevil1540]

Yoh probably playinh as a good guy not killinng npcs..so u wont be wanted so much as your honor will be okay

[@snow658]

Yesterday i had the most amazing moment ever. So i went and robbed the poker room above the gunsmith in saint denis, the cops arrived. When I heard them arrive, i jumped off the balcony, onto the street, took off my mask and started walking normally, and then my wanted level went away and I immediately walked past a cop

[@please_shoosh]

Gay boi Haz no life did you get good money robbing the poker room?

[@snow658]

Diplex Bear23 nah, there was like 50 bucks and that was it

[@bugbreadbuns]

I did this, jumped onto the roof nextdoor and started sneaking around on the rooftops in the night it was fucking badass

[@CP-qc1uz]

Theres also a safe in that poker room, the guy standing against the wall is covering it. Safe is almost empty though.

[@cjfritz6775]

Same situation but I ran along the rooftops, jumped onto a passing wagon, then jumped to my house

[@antoinebechard9630]

You get identified if someone hear you shoot when wanted. ''Yep, thats sound like Arthur's gun''

[@machomanalexyt5736]

>walking around minding my business >random o'driscoll/lemon raider shoots or punches me >waste their ass >**WANTED:** assault/murder >honor goes down why

[@LS-qt9bo]

Damn lemon raiders

[@raspberryjam3724]

Actually the other day I was walking around Valentine and was ambushed by three O'Driscolls. We fought for a while and I got tired of being punched around and pulled out my knife and just started slashing. I'm pretty sure I killed them all but since they hit first, no bounty.

[@eigorson]

Weird, I always fought o'driscolls on valentine and never got any bounty

[@RobertHiley]

Use lasso

[@tychogoedhart286]

I once got an honor decrease for shotting a wolf that was trying to kill me, like what am I supposed to do, let myself become wolf shit?

[@howsjames1]

Whenever I commit a crime I just yell "NO WITNESSES!" and try to kill everyone who saw it. Never works, but it's a ton of fun .

[@punani_slayer4209]

Yeah if you kill like 1 witness there will be like 10 more that appears😂

[@BarokaiRein]

The horses will tell the lawmen who did it even if you killed literally everyone there. It makes sense

[@robisfantasticutube]

Silent Assassin rating achieved...

[@Clark_808]

@@robisfantasticutube wrong game dude

[@cp5385]

no face no case

[@prof.badfellow9868]

The laymen always seem to know who you are and yet they still can't find Gavin.

[@godet1985]

The bounty system is trash in this game tbh

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

Nesse man a bounty system doesnt work quite right when you perpetually wanted by everybody

[@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830]

Not that bad. The fact that cops identify you even when wearing a mask is garbage. Otherwise its way better than gta series or skyrim's bounty system. I'd say it is better even with that flaw.

[@godet1985]

@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 Alright, i guess trash is the wrong word, but theres alot of room for improvement

[@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830]

@@godet1985 I guess. If they changed the fact cops identify you with the mask on it would be good enough. I don't think I have problem with anything else.

[@godet1985]

@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 Youre right, but thats so annoying that it almost ruins the entire system in my opinion

[@titanicswimteam9833]

Me: Changes pants NPCs: “I’ve never met this man in my life.”

[@mikaelafox6106]

All that hard work and it’s still not enough for Dutch. 😩

[@hammerbro1947]

Dutch had a goddarn plan and still failed😡

[@arhickernell]

This game needs the option to take 1-2 gang members with you to free roam around and rob. I know it will be like this online with friends but it would be awesome to take marston and bill or sadie to rob a drug store or train. Maybe have story missions turn off when you ask them to come with you and have to option to have them leave and head to camp at anytime to get back to the story. How about a nice big patch/dlc Rockstar, my ps4 can take it. 👍

[@damienlee9980]

@Joshua Shank Knowing Rockstar, this is actually very likely. This system would work very similarly to the way girlfriends do in the GTA series.

[@arhickernell]

@@damienlee9980 yah something like hanging out in gta 4 even. Like instead of get drink and shoot pool, it's get drinks and rob a train 😁

[@poisonedcrow9311]

Damien Lee I’ve finished the main story an got about 86% overall. I never got the option to have gang members follow me.

[@ffffffffffffffff5840]

They have specific side missions

[@poisonedcrow9311]

Ashley Smith yeah but that’s not proper free roam, you follow them and they tell you what you’re robbing/doing and once you’ve done it you can’t do it with them again.

[@v9237]

I did a LONG ride from Valentine to Saint Denis , so I plotted a way point, got in cinematic mode and hit X a few times so the horse can travel on “auto pilot” to my way point while I watch KZbin videos on my phone. Upon arrival to saint denis, the auto pilot horse collided with an NPC and knocked him off his horse. Apparently that was a crime and a woman who witness ran to report. So I chased her and tackled her to threaten her to keep quiet... except, I tackled the wrong woman, and everyone saw, instantly got a bounty and those city cops from saint denis ruined my day...

[@TagBackTv]

My Favorite thing is when you go to get on your horse, then you jump on some random citizen instead and get a bounty

[@amr-bw4gf]

Just go to the lawmen and surrender. You spend like 10 seconds in jail, lose around $10, and come out with no bounty

[@Oh-uk5ee]

Yea saint dennis cops will fuck you up there basically black water cops from rdr 1

[@Alex-tq5gg]

Wait...there is an autopilot in cinematic mode?

[@v9237]

Olka K Yeah, First you need to set a way point. Open your map and use the crosshairs to hover over your destination of travel then press X to set a way point. You should know see a red line of direction to follow on your mini map. Now get on a road. Hold down the middle sense square to activate cinematic mode, and press x a few times to get the horse running, and bam! Auto pilot lol. The horse will keep the speed and automatically fall the directions to the way point

[@khosrow]

This is such a weird mix of super realistic elements (3 different kinds of witnesses, the cloths/horse effecting how likely it is for them to recognize you etc.) and extremely gamey/immersion breaking elements like some back water cop who never has heard of you knowing exactly who you are.

[@moxiefuriosa]

I literally cannot thank you enough for this video. I was getting SO FRUSTRATED with the bounty system, it seemed like there was nothing I could do to avoid getting one! The custom outfits thing just never even occurred to me for some reason.

[@MrGilRoland]

9:16 “This guy looks like a good target right here...”, npc was like “WTF? Why me??” Lol 😂

[@pattas2005]

lol

[@Mansonfan510]

The Chosen One 😂

[@mrz3r068]

Something i dont like much too when you swap to your bandit outfit and put the bandana on. It counts as a new outfit and overwrite your main outfit on your horse. Not too smart rockstar, now i have two exactly same outfits stored on my horse one with and one without bandana. Not practicle.. now I have to go to the wardrobe and change things again

[@tacofingerz7247]

Try this: save your bandit outfit then save your other outfit, store both on horse, now youll have custom outfit wich is the one your currently equipped , custom outfit 1 wich is the same outfit and custom 2 wich is the other one. Now if you put your bandana it messes the default outfit you are wearing but can go back to any of the other 2. You have 2 of the same and 1 different

[@COOLMCDEN]

Mr Z3r0 I also hate how if you put on a bandanna while wearing a neckerchief you can’t switch back to the neckerchief.

[@ThatOneGuyYMK]

That makes sense. Self defense, idk what it is but it seems unfair, like a group of O'driscalls pull guns and shoot first in town, but i end up with a bounty. Plus if you stand still, the law will watch while you get gunned down by the attackers.

[@sk8ermGs]

thatoneguy youmightknow your game sounds bugged if any npc tries shooting near the law in my game the law deals with them swiftly

[@nickgreene9017]

This has happened to me as well. I was so pissed! I was yelling at my tv "SELF DEFENSE!!!" I hope Rockstar looks into it but still loving RDR2 regardless! lol

[@BarokaiRein]

@@sk8ermGs ok well I guess my game is bugged too. And so are the games of 3 of my friends who also said the same..and a lot of people making youtube videos about it. Guess R* jusr released a really buggy game then if that's a bug.

[@donshyne]

Yep. That’s why I hate Saint Deniz. I’m getting threatened by people and when I defend myself I get wanted. Not to mention every one walks on the fucking middle of the road can’t even move anywhere in case I run over someone smh

[@AP-ok9rs]

Yeaaaa it makes no sense some o’driscal swung on me first in town so I killed him and I got a bounty even though he started it... made no sense

[@angelo.3463]

Lil late for me, got a $1.2k bounty on me in Lemoyne alone

[@kendo5862]

Angel Olavarria - Amma here to collect that bounty on your ass ... Dead or alive you're comin' with me. Now we can do this the easy way... or the hard way... but me an' my friends here smith & Wesson ain't got no problem either way. Your call Angel...

[@JesterSpecter]

Seriously, fuck that place. I went from $5 to $178 in under 10 minutes AND they killed my best horse! The hell of it is, I have no idea how I even got the $5 bounty on me in the first place. I literally got there by train, whistled for my horse and BOOM: $5 bounty and everyone's shooting at me.

[@drewdakiss]

I have 1500 in 3 counties right now.

[@flawlessvictory4910]

DJ Brek same

[@cashmoney3599]

When I play as John before I wanna start my 100% play through third one I will get a max bounty in every state and make john have lowest honour

[@milkshaketurtle7937]

It's also very helpful to do holdups with the bow and arrow, since you can quickly and silently shoot the weapon out of their hand if they try to shoot back.

[@Your_Conscience.]

i love this game .Miles ahead of anything i've ever played . The story was an emotional rollercoaster.10/10 in my book. Because this game is so realistic it makes it hard to figure out what makes some mechanics tick, because you hold them to a higher standard. the wanted system however is really clunky and weird. npc's can be as violent as they want but self defence is apparently the same as commiting crimes. the sixth sense npc's have break also immersion. Another great addition would be a gun stash to store some weapons .

[@dust133]

Accidentally commit a crime? Just load your autosave. That's my cheap way of dealing with it lol.

[@alexisbeltran7110]

Haha I'm anal about that so I do the same and idk how my bounty goes away when loading. QUESTION, there are no death stats or retry stats huh? Nor mission attempt stats?

[@MrGilRoland]

GreetedDust8 This is precisely why in a game like this they should have a save system like Dark Souls where every action is instantly saved and autosave overwritten. Honestly I expected that save system was in place, the save system they are adopting is really old and open to this kind of “abuse”.

[@Joseph-yr4tn]

Or just turn off auto save and save manually when you want

[@dust133]

Joseph T You can't save while you're wanted, you can only load a save file.

[@riderfromthewest]

GreetedDust8 Saved my favorite horse that way!

[@Warclimb64]

3:14 That dog knows everything, the real next level would be taking a bath to hide smell

[@travis6694]

Warclimb can you take a bath in this game?

[@Warclimb64]

@@travis6694 Yes, in the hotel. And also you can use a odor inhibitor to hide from animals.

[@mcrongaruu1492]

You can even ask for assistance, no you can't do what you thought you can do with them. I see you👀 we both know what you were thinking.

[@travis6694]

mc rongaruu hahaha

[@smokey5225]

Cover scent hides scent from dogs tracking

[@Tsudkyk]

I love how deep this game goes. There are so many details that years later I keep discovering new locations. I’m finally looking into what other people have found, I wish I would have avoided bounties from the beginning. I thought it was “the cost of doing business.”

[@Will-Max]

Same, I got a lot of the treasures early in the game, but lost most of my cash it due to bounty hunters and bounties. Now that I have explosive rounds and better dead eye, I can handle bounty hunters most of the time.

[@Zak-zt4gc]

The sacrifices that were made in the making of this video.

[@Strategicxluck]

So my role playing was doing something. I had an outfit that I used while performing crimes. I also switch clothing very often. Lol

[@thothheartmaat2833]

Yeah makes more sense to wear a crime outfit all the time and switch to a hide outfit after the crime. I actually wonder if the outfit even matters. If you didn't get caught and no bounty then no one will suspect you of anything anyway. I robbed the back room in valentine and got a bounty escaping then paid it off and went and robbed the general store.. the guy reported it and I used the same outfit but got no bounty because I fled before the law saw me.. I think that's all that matters.

[@FonsII03]

It's pretty stupid that the lawmen know you right away..

[@DovahKanye]

I think the bounty system is shit, you can have any clothes on, wear a full mask like a sack hood for example, and they will still know it's you. you can kill every witness, every lawman, and you will still have the bounty once you leave the area, the only way to remove the bounty is to surrender to the law or pay it off, both of which cost you money. If you don't pay it you get attack by bounty hunters pretty much everyday, if you die while fighting the bounty hunters your bounty still remains. Robbing a train is one of the best ways to make money, you can make about 300 off the passengers, and can loot a safe after you attach dynamite to it, if you kill a guard even with a knife the other guards on the train will come after you and will open fire, then lawmen will be not far behind, you will end up getting a bounty for robbing the train. It seems no matter crime you do in the game, it ends up costing more than what you get. The only sure fire way to get money is to be in the outskirts of towns and steal the coaches then sell them to the coach fence for $40 (25 if it's damage). You can do that without getting the law on you. For a game that is supposed to be about outlaws it sure does punish you for committing crime, the least they could have done is make it more like Mafia 2 where the clothes are what the bounty is attached too, they could have linked it to your hairstyle, but wearing a cover on your entire face should make you undetectable. Or at the very least give you a way to remove bounties other than having to pay huge sums of money to remove it. If they want to be so realistic, just fucking hang my character, because that is where you would end up. I've finished the game and have been frustrated by the idiotic design choices they've decided to put in the game, it sorely needs a patch to fix this, the entire problem could be solved by having a player only stash that you can withdraw from later then you could surrender without any loss, and pick the money back up when the heats off. Or make it so the law doesn't have wall hacks, x-ray fucking vision.

[@GamingWithGecko]

Kill Me Please I think it’s dumb too but your character has a $5000 bounty in the game from Blackwater so it makes sense

[@FonsII03]

@@GamingWithGecko "Who's the one that robbed the bank and killed those people? Oh that guy with his entire face covered? That's fucking Arthur Morgan, I recognize him immediately!"

[@tilikumtim5562]

Tbf I've not seen any one else in RDR2 wear a mask, so must be Arthur Morgan!

[@renaudlemieux1]

@@DovahKanye i kill many people in the road hide their bodie and get no bounty.. im pretty sure i can do the same with a train you must not have playing well... i heard so many critics about the bounty system and i NEVER had any problem with it. People blaming the game cuz theyre suck at playing it make me laugh lol

[@Deadly_Nightkid]

This is stupid that policemen identified Arthur Morgan when wearing a mask ...

[@memecliparchives2254]

Well if you pass by in the same town wearing the same clothes and go back only wearing a mask, it's somehow you.

[@demonkazi]

I'm pretty sure that works in real life too lol /s

[@chewbaky]

@Thickerspartan he said that in the vid. I think the logic is that the law enforcers would be more aware if Arthur than the civillians. Think of it like if a friend of yours was wearing a mask. You would still recognise them because they would be the same size, shape and other traits and charecteristics that you would recognise.

[@kristopherdickson6606]

It's definitely wonky but I think they put it in to prevent blatant abuse of the bounty system. It's there to serve as a balance for the player.

[@codypriceYouTubeAddednumbers]

the middle schoolers are out here in full force tonight. Got all their homework done and just waiting for the next Fortnite match to start.

[@CarEnjoyer420]

I’ve been getting real frustrated a couple of times where I had a mask on, but still got a bounty. I didn’t have a clue it had to do clothing, hair, etc. I keep suprising myself with how much detail and depth this game has. And also, thanks for the info. I’m gonna have more fun in the game because of this..

[@sirkaeru]

Very insightful guide, thanks for making this video. I couldn’t figure out the bounty system before this

[@SolDust-vy3cw]

"They will get super butthurt" fucking priceless 😂

[@orbitaldragon]

The bounty system just sucks in general. I hope they add a patch that gives an option to turn it off. I do not mind the wanted portion, but the bounty part of it is just an annoyance.

[@k4efluxxy941]

orbitaldragon I swear !! Like the only reason I don’t want to play the game

[@hammerbro1947]

It is true. Like GTA games in general :(

[@geert574]

There is an option to not buy Rockstars trash, that works real well

[@music4you684]

I bought stuff for 500,- and after that i robbed it .. and only get 30,- lol

[@Pboy7272]

Must've done a drop 😂

[@BarokaiRein]

Well I mean obvioushy the shopkeeper would not put money in the cash register. Even though that's literally what it's for. While you werent looking "even though you stood in front of him,staring at him" he showed the money up his ass while you blinked because this is extremely detailed,realistic and a perfect game of the century.

[@Clark_808]

You probably paid with credit

[@bubbles7608]

Barokai Rein god damm the npc’s must have huge assholes because I sold 3 gold bars and never got them back

[@mwjgcreeves4984]

@@bubbles7608 😂😂😂

[@jerlynremigio2667]

just literally 1 minute after robbing a store Arthur @ 2:50 - hEy pArTnEr 😂😭

[@randybob6238]

The knife mechanics in this game are awesome. The executions with it are totally brutal. Definitely my favorite weapon to use.

[@TagBackTv]

Thank you all for your support on the RDR2 Series! What has been your favorite experience so far playing RDR2?

[@thwraceingpanda47]

The original red dead felt like u where a bit alone . This one u are like a family with the gang .

[@itsallaboutthatbass8558]

TagBackTV Man it’s hard to say right now. I’m loving every aspect of this game. My wife (who isn’t a gamer) watches me play like she’s watching a movie and gets on to me for committing crimes lol.

[@TagBackTv]

XD that is great

[@danthaman03]

Hogtie ing the convicts and feeding them to alligators.

[@bryanenty8385]

So how did everyone die their fist time in this game? I got mauled by the legendary bear bc I only Had the starting pistol

[@legendary00x77]

I ran over a dog that ran in front of my horse in front of the police station in valentine and killed it, which resulted in me and my horse getting killed almost instantly. people say for minor crime like this you can just walk up to the cops and pretty much get away with it, but these guys just started shooting me. I didn't even have time to get off my horse.

[@Bobby.2k1]

Legendary bear. Once I was trying to hitch my horse in valentine at the police station, accidentally shot the brick wall in front of me, got a bounty and the barber in the saloon glitched and he would never go out of frightened mode.

[@spencerlocke7443]

I actually killed the bear revenant style with the big ugly bastard on top of me with my knife. I about shit myself but it was at that moment I realized this game was going to get me in a lot of trouble with the old lady.

[@RabidHobbit]

I got attacked on the road and when I used dead eye it unloaded all by bullets into their horse instead of the 3 guys.

[@koyrion]

I fell out off a moutain

[@Sage.....]

It's too much a pain in the ass changing cloths over and over just to keep the law off you, for starters you never know when you're going to commit a crime in this game, anything can happen and shit happens fast, even with a bounty of just say 300 you can still enter that town and even walk into the sherif office and start a bounty hunt without them doing a thing, it's only when the bounty gets to wanted dead or alive and the entire state is red the law comes directly after you. Basically the entire wanted system is a complete mess, not very realistic at all to just walk into a sherif office and nothing happens when you're wanted by them but at dead or alive level they know you're exact location soon as you enter the state, completely broken!!

[@TagBackTv]

You can keep 4 outfits on your horse, changing outfits is pretty easy. and you can change an outfit right after the crime is commited, it will also make the coppers less likely to recognize you from the citizen report. That being said, getting bounties from stupid citizens running infront of you or picking a fight with you is pretty damn dumb, and does need to be fixed.

[@Sage.....]

I Can't be arsed to be running back and forwards, waiting for the red circle to go away, change clothes just to go back and repeat, it's annoying, repetitive and boring. All they had to do was keep it simple, get spotted committing a crime without a mask on and you're identity is exposed, the law should not know who you are wearing a mask unless you take it off, get it knocked off or forced to remove it, but no they instantly know who you are regardless, this is why i don't bother with masks or changing cloths or changing horse, there's no point.

[@punani_slayer4209]

@@Sage..... yeah bounties don't matter anyway. I have a bounty of 1500 just in saint denis and I can play just fine. The only annoying thing is bounty hunters showing up right when I'm about to start a mission

[@Sage.....]

PUNANI_SLAYER420 you will get to love them, looting them can be really rewarding

[@montagemik]

R* tried to overthink this mechanic - and it's actually broken. There's many times I've still been recognised in a different outfit, No mask, and different horse. Even a few times I've had bounty put on me in the wilderness miles away from towns while wearing a full head mask. And even with a mask I've received Negative honour points while looting people with no witnesses around. Biggest annoyance - It often FAILS to actually change the character appearance when switching from a normal outfit to a Custom outfit while on the horse = basically making the 4th outfit worthless.

[@sisigs4820]

Me: rides a wagon minding my own business Other random wagon driver: deliberately runs into me while im making a normal turn Game: WANTED FOR VANDLISM Me: ...

[@professionalagent5329]

Lmao true! I

[@33nihilus]

One thing that gets me is NPCs dont get in trouble for things..

[@robertogalvan5887]

I usually don't comment on videos but bro this is a very good video! Thanks!

[@TagBackTv]

Glad I could be of assistance! Glad to see you comment :D

[@Commander_Rane]

Ever notice how every video related to video games is always 10 mins or longer these days? They really ramble and stall just for the money or what?

[@Wnick56]

This is pretty straight to the point. But yes that’s basically what they do

[@RedLegBlazer]

KZbin's payment algorithm has forced contributors to make a lot of fluff. What bothers me is how every webpage has to starts out with a high school essay. I just made cheesecake, and the recipe was only 1/5 of the page. The Internet is where everyone dumps their brain vomit.

[@falloutworldrecord]

Yeah, KZbin BS algorithm forces them to have at least 10 mins of footage.

[@elchucofried5683]

Pretty much all youtubers are like lmao that's why I dont watch I just look at the comments then dip because the answer usually in the comments

[@errorloading3686]

Commander Bwarr it’s most likely because some people do this for a job and have no other source of income. I don’t blame them for wanting to make money

[@johnsnow272]

Arthur: *changes clothes* Civilian: I’ve never seen this man in my life.

[@us-bw6hg]

The man I saw was wearing brown pants. This man is clearly wearing black pants.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

Arthur: wears mask Police: I know exactly who this man is.. Uhhhhhhhhh........

[@vikinglife6316]

Thank you I was wondering how in depth the system was and now I know.

[@PolitischTourette]

Thanks man this will help me alot for my next nightly RDR2 session today... looking forward to do some huge misschief in St Denis , Valentine and Rhodes LOL

[@ryanh4975]

These bounty hunters are insane. They come out of nowhere in a group of 15

[@duderitoz6953]

When you think about it, You cant even divide your average bounty (mines between 40-60) between 15 people.....

[@HKLesterol]

I robbed a train wearing the executioner hood and crime outfit and killed the guards with arrows and knives. I still attracted the law and the train stopped.Also It stopped at the tunnel and bridge by cottora springs, the law couldnt even board. They were stuck on the mt.s cliffs just standing there. I left out the back of the train tunnel and called my horse and rode off without being seen. Once i was out of the red and my wanted lvl cleared , i changed outfits and i still had a bounty. Its kinda dumb. Once you change outfits the bounty should disappear and only be applied if u ever wear that outfit (or major pieces of it; coat, shirt, pants) and/or mask again. Otherwise whats the point. I wanna do major heists and get away with it, not just stick up robberies.

[@ZalymBiscayn]

Thanks for this video, it helps makes sense out of a system that initially might look random or unfair and puts it within a proper framework of quasi-realism. It's a system that keeps the tension in the game while rewarding a thinking play-style...unless of course a player wants to be the nefarious outlaw type :)

[@silverwolf2761]

Playing this game for first time and appreciate all the tips and videos

[@espy0008]

Thank you, after all these years and just now discovering how that system works.

[@kinky420monkey8]

Thank you so much for the help mister

[@mjfalcon007]

Some helpful tips thank you for sharing. I’m surprised you never mentioned the tip regarding removing a bounty by going into a police station antagonising an officer to the point of arrest and then surrender. This results in having your bounty removed after a short arrest video. My understanding is you loose money by doing this but not if you spend it prior or deposit into your camps funds. Something I am doing early into the game which is saving me from having to pay off my bounty. I’m not sure how this will affect you later in the game.

[@niccolofrangiones8868]

Thanks. You are the only one who explain properly all this thing

[@xanaxfruitsnax7463]

been getting back into red dead recently, went immediately to TagBack. Keep the content up 🤙🏾

[@AnalogWolf]

Those are good tips. I knew about the witness levels and how to get away while they are searching but had no idea changing clothes would do anything.

[@guitarman0365]

but there are only so many outfits so eventually you will get bounties regardless right? plus i like playing in one outfit but a lot of the time you just never know when you will get jumped by bandits and have to have a gun fight and then you still get bounties now in your favorite outfit so there is only so much this technique can work right?

[@hammerbro1947]

Not exactly. They will remember one kind of outfit but once you change your outfit and commit a crime with that new outfit and get a bounty, they would simply forget the old outfit and remember the new one you just commit a crime with. They can only recognize one kind of outfit at a time.

[@Bobbob12397]

"...gonna go ahead and..." "...gonna go ahead and..." "...gonna go ahead and..." "...gonna go ahead and..." "...gonna go ahead and..." "...gonna go ahead and..." "...gonna go ahead and..."

[@orion729]

now, now now now now now

[@eurosonly]

I love how realistic this game is. Crimes get reported instantly and the law shows up almost just as instantly. Such realism. Much wow. Even though, in reality, the process took literally days....

[@BarokaiRein]

Not to mention that a tiny bumbfuck town like valentine has 10 times more lawmen than citzens.

[@Fulllife3.2]

I remember i decided to save this mexican lady from the law...As i was riding away lawmen started appearing randomly from the road like some called them with a radio or something.They just kept popping up over and over and over until i died.

[@gustavofring4363]

This was really helpful.

[@HypocritesExposd]

Played through the whole game and didn’t know most of the stuff mentioned in this video. Thanks!

[@jwood299]

Am i the only one who has money flowing in without having to do dishonourable holdups?

[@johnphoenix1822]

I have 13,000 dollars in Chapter 2 with 30 percent of the chapter completed. I don't care about money now, there is Nothing to buy in this game. Very bad game design. This is something Mods for PC could Fix if only Rockstar allowed such mods but they do Not.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

@@johnphoenix1822 yeah after the first bank robbery they give you like 2500 if you get all the safes.. I was like what the hell am I gonna do with all this money?

[@thothheartmaat2833]

I didn't even know how to do robberies and hold ups till I started doing the bandit challenges so I had to learn how to do them. Just started in chapter 3..

[@K.114.]

Yeah! Nothing worth buying all shops have boring generic stuff etc!

[@samm2507]

Took me forever to figure out lawmen see through your mask and people remember your horse/ outfit. Goodness this game is intense lol.

[@TagBackTv]

once you figure out all the bounty stuff the game is much more enjoyable when robbing lol

[@poisonedcrow9311]

TagBackTV lol was the opposite for me when I didn’t understand I just rode around with out much care, knowing all this I’m so self conscious about it drains a lot of the fun.

[@ThatGuyKh1]

Samuel Musser no they don’t the games just broken

[@crazykraken4139]

Most annoying is when you press L2 to focus on someone but don’t realize that your weapon is in your hand

[@Kalon__]

I started playing yesterday, and since i played GTA V before i figured that it is probably possible to rob a store. So i went into a saloon to rob it, didn’t put my mask on or anything, pulled out my gun, pointed it at the guy there and he literally said “we don’t allow guns in here” lmao

[@LazyGuyCoyote]

Hate changing my outfit and putting on the cloth mask just to kill a person or two and they know it’s Arthur Morgan..

[@AlaborateKane]

so, police will recognize arthur instantly whatever the close or mask on/off?

[@shraniken]

Right. Otherwise, it would be far too trivial.

[@DovahKanye]

@@shraniken "Right. Otherwise, it would be far too trivial." Who cares I'd rather a trivial system like GTA V than a broken one, wearing a full mask with brand new clothes robbing a train will still get a bounty with the law knowing it was you, it's a fucking joke of a mechanic.

[@BarokaiRein]

@@DovahKanye agreed. I don't give a fuck if a more realistic system is "trivial" why have masks at all if they do fuckall against lawmen?

[@MayfairMadexSSRaised]

I was really hoping for a fight club of some sort (like the Witcher) or random bar fights that sometimes are unprovoked by the player (not encounters that begin as soon as you approach a bar). I thoroughly enjoy hand to hand combat with NPCs at times. Even when they pull melee weapons, doesn’t seem unbalanced and those connected hits are really rewarding. I however don’t like the idea it’s sometimes okay and sometimes not okay to fisticuffs. I’m always trying to give hands at all times before pulling a gun.

[@florichi]

I love how in certain aspects the game is darn realistic, but in others completely not. I mean, if I commit a crime and book it on the horse, then why does an officer 500m away instantly know what I did and that I am a criminal. I am pretty sure that they didn't have walky talkies back then.

[@twyla1232]

I try to go bounty hunting to get payed and its supposed to show u were to look for them on the map and sometimes they don't show up I play on ps5

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

This game is amazing.

[@Jboooog18]

@I Control My Fate omg a drag at times

[@EmilWestrum]

You got spotted by lawman at 8 minutes after tackling that dude. Thats why you got a bounty. Nothing to do with clothes.

[@dd7428]

Exactly.

[@tepanganiban]

I mean you are an outlaw on the run, it’s more fun when bounty hunters with law dogs show up outta nowhere all the time messing your life up

[@yurlocalkarma3645]

True

[@recontiger7114]

This is grade A content. I always send this to friends who dont understand how it works.

[@justhanditover]

i just love how the bounty continues to raise as I slaughter the bounty hunters and lawmen that come after me. Their use of the force to communicate great suffering and voices disappearing at my hands is amazing.

[@wbc1999]

Who here has also finished the game? No spoilers

[@eatme982]

I can't believe Jack dies of ligma.

[@imClaNxoimclanxo]

Eat Me LOL

[@Skizzles9992]

I just found the mustang and it is gorgeous thx for the great vids and plz stream today

[@Skizzles9992]

genabenabobena do u mind me spoiling the story because it is at the very end in armadillo when u play as john

[@servantofthemosthigh9250]

@MotherTouching-Ninjas yes the white arab is beautiful. I saved it as it was being attacked by wolves

[@Skizzles9992]

Pablo Escobar I have the white black and grey Arabians 😂 There all beautiful

[@Vincenzo-uz3eg]

TPG RealTime you’re a gronk for spoiling it

[@TheSingularitarian]

The vocal affectation of KZbin personalities is a plague on the English language. I hope you don't alter your speech that way in normal conversation.

[@Pundae]

@@martindonohue900 *cough cough* NoahJ *cough cough*

[@JohnnyYork]

Most likely reading from a script. So....

[@ecMonify]

that, and the fact they use the word "guys" twice in every sentence :P

[@np8139]

You do realize that people have been altering their speech when addressing a large audience since the beginning of mankind, right?

[@CurtisL8.3066]

The markiplier disease yes indeed

[@TheCommanderSpitz]

It actually kind of hurt seeing you rob the St Denis tailor. Out of every shopkeeper, he's the only one I like. He seems to really love his job and he doesn't seem to have any skeletons in his closet. I also spend the most time there out of every store so...

[@Papagiorgio153]

It just blows when you get witnessed for crime after a mandatory mission, in a secluded area, while you're looting inside of a house, or for defending yourself from highwaymen. Especially when it happens immediately after shit goes down. I understand its supposed to be realistic, but it happens way to often. A witness finding lawmen, and lawmen finding you in less than a minute if ridiculously unrealistic.

[@CrimeDoesNotPay]

the 526 downvotes were from unarmed citizens