Re: the godzilla fandom sucks

This is a video response to ‪@KaijuKim‬'s video "the godzilla fandom sucks," which is an important video I think everyone should watch as it addresses the online departure of fellow Kaiju KZbinr & friend ‪@AlyssaGojiGeek101‬ . As a fandom, we need to get better with dealing with the gross behavior both online and at conventions. It's unacceptable.
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[@KaijuKim]

Excellent video. Thank you for making this. We need to keep this conversation going. Enough is enough.

[@DonnyWinter]

Agreed, twin! Much love!

[@streamofawareness]

I had to call out someone I liked in the Godzilla fandom because they were revealed to be a CHILD PREDATOR. It was such a mindfxck, but I passed it on after verifying because the safety of minors matters more than my butthurt or them being mad at me for not staying quiet. This fandom needs to wake up!

[@DonnyWinter]

Wow, that is so disturbing. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that situation, but I'm glad you took action. People are so messed up

[@godzillakong6597]

That’s why I stay with the movies and characters and far away from the fandom. The fandom takes away the speciality of this amazing franchise. They make others feel different towards a certain movie or character because of the way others act and treat them. The fandoms of any franchise sucks and ruins the fun. My advice to all of you is to like what you like and stay far away from the fandom because at the end of the day they only care for themselves

[@DonnyWinter]

Fair advice, honestly. I do think we can make it better together, but there's no shame in individuals making the decision to pull back away from the fandom.

[@GMK1956]

That's probably a good idea for any fandom

[@alyssacharpentier_author]

Great video. I'm pleasantly surprised this is creating so much new awareness. Back in the day, I did my "Sexism/pedophilia in Godzilla fandom" video that got the conversation rolling, but it's been five years now, and a lot has changed/worsened since. That multiple people have already caught on to this and are responding to the multi-pronged grievances I have with the fan base with their own statements is refreshing. There's so much wrong, and I think I speak for all of us when I say I want it to be right.

[@DonnyWinter]

I remember that video well! I think many of us have had grievences for a long time. The issue is that we've been labeled "overdramatic" or "oversensitive" for feeling any sort of way (valid feelings I might add, considering how we've been treated). At the end of the day, you're a vital part of our community (and friend to many of us). We stand with you. ❤

[@MrCrustty_Crabs]

there are toxic people in every fandom community, Warhammer, Star Wars, DC, Marvel and brah brah brah. We just can’t stop this thing, i mean its like a cancer, its hard to just tell people stop being toxic, we just need to deal with it, but not accept it.

[@DonnyWinter]

I agree we definitely can't stop it! But we can make it better hopefully

[@BackstreetGlambert]

I watched Kaiju Kim's video and totally agree with you guys, though I'm not in the fandom. Also I stand with Alyssa even if I'm not close to her. This type of behavior needs to be called out and stopped.

[@kaijugalaxy8756]

no person should have to deal with this terrible behavior. really sorry that any of you have had to deal with bigotry or creepy behavior

[@ultradeathboy]

Not saying I don't agree with you, but stop saying the word "bigot". It has no meaning anymore due to overuse and is basically just a childish insult at this point. I understand that it's to sum up all of these ism and phobias, but nobody takes it seriously

[@kaijugalaxy8756]

@@ultradeathboy Merriam-Webster Definition: " a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance." People do take it seriously. Not sure if its best for you to generalize that those impacted don't.

[@jaykey1963]

Excellent video, Donny! It’s so ignorant when people say “don’t bring politics into this” - identity isn’t politics, it’s humanity. Keep up the good work!

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you, friend! Agree with you completely!

[@RileyZilla1001]

Tbh after 15 years of G-Fest it's best to find a clique of friends that understand you to get through the con. I only go to find my friends and share some drinks on the patio these days after so long.

[@DonnyWinter]

I also have a cohort of close friends I go for. We are open to new individuals to our group, but we have a unique understand of what we each have gone through. Sound advice!

[@TokuSociety]

Speaking nothing but facts here, I too have seriously considered gradually drifting away from the community, and the recent "controversy" regarding the STEM mod project i'm a part of really solidified my stance on it. It's really surprising that a franchise all about coming together and facing adversity made by a foreign country has people who are no better than the monsters and aliens in the films being fans of it.

[@DonnyWinter]

I agree completely!

[@Desto995]

And then are we really living in the "golden age" of Godzilla content then, if the Fandom is just gonna be like this?

[@TokuSociety]

@@Desto995 In terms of it's exposure to the rest of the world, we kind of are in a golden age, it's just the days of old fandom are officially gone. Then again, fandoms overall have always had these issues, they just weren't as widespread and out there as it was now. There really isn't a way to completely get rid of issues like sexism, racism and harrassment or the sorts unless we call it out and try to get it out to the best of our abilities.

[@Desto995]

@@TokuSociety I guess it's a war on the toxic side of the Fandom then, because they won't go down without a fight with their unintellectual minds, we just have to do our best to address the issue and fix it hopefully

[@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514]

whats the "controversy"

[@thekaijufanatic]

Thank you. I'm TIRED of people turning a blind eye to wrong behavior. I've been threatened to get physically assaulted at G-Fest ( as did a minor ) for calling out awful behavior, yet still nobody does anything about it. People need to start dropping names and evidence. We need to get these people outed to be held accountable.

[@DonnyWinter]

I'm so sorry you've had to deal with this behavior too. The bystanders should absolutely be taking more action than they are. It's time to stop sweeping this behavior under the rug!

[@thekaijufanatic]

@DonnyWinter I agree. I'm going to start spreading my experience around and let people know this certain person's true colors. No more hiding around. People should feel safe and confident to talk about these things

[@blueravenfire]

yeah, i just saw kaiju kim's video, it made me both sad and really upset the people would treat alyssa this way and it made her leave the fandom because of it. it is so infuriating that women have to constantly fight for their place in this fandom and don't feel they are safe because people constantly get away with their shitty behavior. I'm grateful that i never personally experienced the worst of the fandom and that i have surrounded myself with good people within the fandom, it's just upsetting when i see it happen to other people.

[@DonnyWinter]

I'm glad you've not been in the situation to experience this ridiculousness. But yeah, I definitely agree. Nobody should ever have to feel this way.

[@Enshohma]

2:33 - I've seen this in person as well, hypocritical group cowardice in the face of a horrible bully or worse psychopaths. I too am getting tired of this deteriorating fandom.

[@DonnyWinter]

The group cowardice is so peculiar. Everyone is so bothered by "not making a big deal," but it's a big deal to those being harassed. It's so confusing, isn't it?

[@GojiFan1998]

I stand with Alyssa and Kaiju Kim and I'm tried of what people do wrong and terrible behavior

[@godzillabebravethetrexretu1381]

All fandoms suck and are toxic it’s a canon event

[@DonnyWinter]

agreed!

[@matiasshaw2185]

I kid you not there were homophobic remarks in one of the Godzilla groups on Facebook involving the monarch show. Specifically where the two actresses were kissing each other and I called people called out for the remarks (even though I'm not in the LGBT community) but I couldn't let that slide. I agree with what you say in this video. It's even worse in Godzilla groups. One minute people are complaining about Godzilla action figures being crappy and this not the third. In the next minute we have a whole bunch of people constantly bashing the 1998 Godzilla movie or Zilla with a whole bunch of memes that get really annoying and are unfunny but the second I mentioned how useless minya is all of a sudden everyone thinks it's annoying and toxic. The Godzilla community in general is full of nothing but toxicity and double standards. We're almost as toxic as the Star wars fans and some of the anime fans.

[@DonnyWinter]

Oh I definitely saw some of those homophobic comments. They were terrible. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and perspective on this. It's nice to know that all those commenting on both Kaiju Kim's and my video are in support.

[@matiasshaw2185]

​@@DonnyWinter no problem man. And I don't blame you for leaving the community.

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

This Fandom needs to get it's act together big time

[@DonnyWinter]

absolutely agree!

[@plagueslayer]

Since I’m out of the loop here. My comment is gonna be on the broader scale and not this situation in particular. The fandom is starting to reach a toxicity that I’m starting to get unhappy about. Like being rude to others for liking a certain version of Godzilla more than others. Hating on other Kaiju fandoms like King Kong, Gamera, etc. Being rude about people’s different preferences for goji whether it’s silly or serious. I’ve noticed this happening way more when minus one came out and attracted “Fans” It’s getting upsetting how awful it’s getting I’m on the younger side of the Godzilla fandom so maybe this has been happening way longer than I’m aware of But overall it’s getting frustrating…

[@DonnyWinter]

It is absolutely frustrating. I think we can make the fandom a better place. I feel the communities/platforms Kaiju Kim and I have created (along with others like Kaiju United) are helping in some way. But there are other areas out there less fortunate and more subject to this type of concerning behavior.

[@danielesteve8359]

"Men go crazy in congregations but they only get better 1 by 1" Sting

[@DonnyWinter]

This right here

[@jedigrandvelle8844]

WOW. This was......I can't find the words. Because here's the thing. For the past two G-FESTs, I unfortunately noticed this kind behavior in the G-Fan community in little increments. At the time, I thought it was just some kidding around. But with Alyssa announcing what said earlier, makes me really rethink things. I go to G-FEST because I felt it's a wholesome outlet for Kaiju Fans to breathe easy. And coincide with one another. But now, if this entity is not even safe for our Kaiju Sisters, then why have any events at all if they themselves can't feel secured next to their Kaiju Brethren? I know this is a lot to say, but I'm not blind. I'm an observer of Life. And knowing that these types of outcomes exist, makes me truly ashamed that I'm part of supposedly decent realm.😢

[@DonnyWinter]

I feel very similarly. I've seen so much problematic behavior and have called it out (both virtually and in person). Some people just don't care and press on anyway, which makes it even more concerning. I almost wish GFEST would strengthen its policies, procedures, and processes regarding this type of thing.

[@JarMar3296]

People complaining about words have never felt real pain, that's just a fact.

[@DonnyWinter]

People who think words can't be weapons need to do some self-reflection before insinuating others don't know "pain."

[@spaecii]

I don't blame anyone from removing themselves from the fandom at this point. It's baaaaaaad. I hope for better in the future because despite all the nasty people within the fandom there are some good people and some great friends I've made over the years, but this is something that 100% needs to be addressed. Obviously not exclusive to the Godzilla fandom but it really sucks seeing it in the fandom of the thing you love.

[@DonnyWinter]

@@spaecii I agree completely ♥️

[@Portman1984]

This troubling and disgusting behavior is appalling. It’s make me sad and enraged all at the same time. No one should feel unsafe or not welcome in this fandom. We need to do better, not only as a fandom, but as human beings. I stand with you Donny, Kim, Alyssa and so many others who have experienced these levels of toxicity.

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you for standing in solidarity with us!

[@matthewgramz3648]

I've gotten death threats against me and my family for saying the stupid Monsterverse sucks. He looked up my home address and said he'd come find me.

[@DonnyWinter]

That is WILD. I am so sorry you've dealt with this. That behavior is inexcusible.

[@ultradeathboy]

I low-key thought this whole controversy about the fandom sucking would be about power scaling or biases. Silly old me never found out about this part of the fandom, I guess I was lucky enough to only be subjected to the "nice part of the fandom" where instead of threats over dumb identities, it's threats over who's favorite character would win

[@angalarian2240]

Honestly dont wanna be mean or anything but the thing you were talking is literally the same thing with their situation. Its about "fans" being absolutely toxic when comes to vs debates or not liking the same thing as others, yknow, and all the other points they talk about like harassment, racism etc. It just needs stop.

[@DonnyWinter]

Dumb identities? Have you ever experienced people threatening you? You may preach a different tune in that context.

[@The_Kaiju_Outlaw]

Sure does suck. That's why I will never return to G-Fest after the way I was treated when I was last there. Ironically some of the people making these videos are the ones that make the fandom toxic to beigin with!

[@borkoninragehammer2189]

I hate that I have to agree with you. I feel like so many of us grew up being made fun of for liking Godzilla and other kaiju films. We should ALL be as inclusive, welcoming, and as warm as possible to our fellow fans regardless of race, gender identity, or anything. There is zero excuse for this kind of behavior. We're in a golden age of Godzilla, we should be celebrating not assaulting, stalking, verbally harassing, or threatening our fellow fans. I have personally been ignorant to this behavior at G-Fest but as a guy who typically keeps to himself, I suppose I haven't been on the lookout for it. I absolutely will be now as NO fan deserves any sort of harassment. I miss when I thought the toxic people were those that hated the monsterverse for being goofy. That was so much easier to stomach.

[@DonnyWinter]

I miss those days too. I mean, I do remember toxic people way back on the old message boards years ago. However, social media has made this type of behavior easier to cultivate unfortunately.

[@FigureManiaShow]

This is very sad to hear. I live in Taiwan and I've never been to G-Fest, but hearing that that sort of behavior goes on at the event? That needs to be called out for sure. Thank you for bring this to light.

[@DonnyWinter]

@FigureManiaShow Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It is disheartening; however, I will say that there is still a lot of good that happens at this convention. There's always bad eggs who cause these issues.

[@avenger1340]

This sucks. Fandom can be such a great thing that can bring so many people together. It's so irritating and sad when it turns into a double edged sword that also brings in bad actors into the space as well. We should be making sure that the community feels safe and welcome above all else.

[@DonnyWinter]

I agree completely!

[@gzillag7777]

that whole video hurt my soul, I've been lucky enough for my friends in this fandom to be great, but to know others don't have that experience and have to endure horrible behavior breaks my heart

[@DonnyWinter]

@gzillag7777 it breaks my heart too 💔

[@erikpearl6885]

This sucks to hear but thank you for making this. We all have to do our part!

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you for being here, engaging and helping us fight the good fight!

[@princeblackelf4265]

I have no desire to fight with people over social media regardless , I just don't have it in me and it fucks my mental health, I am not gonna get involved sorry, I already don't like fellow fans at the best of times.

[@DonnyWinter]

Not everyone needs to. Bandwidth is something important to consider in these types of situations. You choosing to engage/share your perspective helps more than you realize.

[@chazzilla8919]

This is really appalling. I have never interacted much with the Godzilla fandom, but I'm surprised with how bad it is currently.

[@DonnyWinter]

It definitely is unsettling. I think we can make it better though!

[@chazzilla8919]

@@DonnyWinter Improvement is always possible! 👍

[@VoltTheNightFury]

Thank you. You are so right about the fandom I hate seeing people leave from these people I don’t even think these people are fans like it’s not ok to be weird or stuff to women in the fandom Especially a minor like that is not OK. And then the death threats oh my goodness I hate them there is no need for it like for example, unknowingly there was no need to send death messages to him he makes great videos and a great horror story. And then u got KZbinrs who allow this energy in the fandoms like cougar macdowall making sus and inappropriate content on KZbin. And then you got the little kids that try to power scale by using Comp Godzilla and saying he beats everything which he does not the most powerful Godzilla in the fandom is Godzilla in hell but you are right the fandom sucks

[@DonnyWinter]

I don't think the fandom as a WHOLE sucks, it's certainly pockets with bad eggs in each. However, I do think if we take an active role in calling out BS as we see it, we can definitely make it a better place.

[@VoltTheNightFury]

@@DonnyWinter yep I can totally agree

[@MonsterKidCory]

Man, "fandoms" are too much work. I've been all-but kicked out of Godzilla online groups because 1) I like King Kong, and 2) I liked Shin-Gojira. So much drama for such a minor thing as a movie franchise or whatever. Just like things you like and don't waste time with people. If you want a community that bad, join a church.

[@DonnyWinter]

I'm sorry you've had to deal with this behavior

[@MonsterKidCory]

@@DonnyWinter eh, it's not really as big a deal as homophobia and s*xual predation. Just don't be a Kong fan in Godzilla circles, apparently 😆

[@kornygerm]

Post you like Godzilla 1998.and the Fandom loses their minds. It's ridiculous

[@MonsterKidCory]

@@kornygerm have you seen Zilla in GojiGojiBanBan? 😄

[@TitanosaurusProductions]

I was unaware this poor behavior was so common and the fact no one does anything about it is disheartening. I don’t really go out of my way to interact with anyone at G-Fest since I’m not much of a people person, but if I see these kinds of things happening in the future I’ll try to do something about it. I believe the fandom is mostly made up of decent folk and by bringing awareness to this issue we can quell it.

[@bwilliams463]

It's a combination of the nature of fandom in general and the appalling toxicity of the internet. Sci-fi fandom is overwhelmingly male, and fans are people who continue to use their imaginations throughout their lives, instead of clamping them off in adulthood, as we are pressured to do. We can do that because we still have a part of us that remains childlike. That is, as we know, positive and negative, because, while giving us an energizing sense of wonder, it can also cause us to be immature. The hate posts and threats are a disappointing evolution of childhood name-calling and playground bullying in a time in our culture when spreading nastiness without consequences is practically effortless, and younger and younger people are able to access the fandom. The innate immaturity that allows us to enjoy fantastic films and other media leaves many of us socially underdeveloped and less able to relate to 'normal' people. This includes our conceptions of sex and sexuality. You're dealing with a predominantly-male population whose sexual access is often limited by their differences in nature from the majority of the population, so you're going to find a lot of individuals who don't know how to act appropriately. All this put together is a recipe for toxicity and disregard for social norms. I am NOT excusing any of this deplorable, even illegal behavior. I have pondered on this phenomenon since I first experienced fandom up close over 30 years ago, and thus far, these are the conclusions that I have arrived at.

[@Rip_Noobly66]

Mostly the number one easy target to these toxic people are shippers, shippers get attacked basically every day, they be fighting whole battle Royales in on reddit while trying to eat breakfast 💀

[@kaijutoaster3739]

Baffles me how nobody has really talked about this until this point. I had no clue this kind of stuff was going on at G-Fest of all places which is just bizarre, which I was planning on going to next year but now……. yeah………… Shit sucks, why can’t we just like Godzilla and not be creepy weirdo losers lmao?

[@DonnyWinter]

It's been talked about before by many of us, it just hasn't circulated extensively like it is now. I agree with you - I'd love for us all just to have fun and enjoy this stuff without people being terrible!

[@JiraJH666]

Just Seeing How Toxic the Godzilla FanBase is, is crazy to me, because at first I Thought the Godzilla Community would be Chill, but I guess eveything I thought of was wrong.

[@DonnyWinter]

There are pockets within the fandom that are wonderful. Unfortunately, there are bad eggs everywhere.

[@addoworkman2173]

I've been a fan for literal decades and been openly trans for a decade. I can't gage when I'm treated worse in the fandom-when I wasn't or was out as trans. Seriously, I think what makes this fandom so insidious with this stuff isn't just like...the handwaving it's the dismissal of going "this happens in every fandom" because literally no the fuck it does not, and it has *always* been this grotesque in this fandom,. It's such a weird fandom for it to happen in? Why is the, specifically, American fanbase of a Japanese franchise letting weirdos just say and do what ever the fuck they want? I think it's only gotten worse because of the fandom boom in 2013 when younger and newer fans flooded in after Pacific Rim and older gen fans were REALLY gross and weird about (mostly) literal kids getting into the fandom they seem to care so much about. There is this weird "we found it first, so we have control of the narrative/canon" in this fandom that's so distinctive. Like as in, actively attempting to appropriate the characters (and sometimes creators and creator comments on said characters) within their own ideology/mindset specifically with complete lack of awareness or nuance of Japanese viewpoints, culture, or politics. I say this as someone who wasn't out in 2014 and was sent death threats after saying I had a Head Canon of a monster being a girl! I have a lot of close friends I've made through the fandom and G-Fest, but I eventually just kind of had to step the fuck back because a lot of these people get so absolutely intolerable.

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences, though I'm deeply sorry you've had to deal with hate and threats as well. You make some excellent points about fandom gatekeeping and unsettling behavior here. It's my hope that this entire conversation can make a change. ♥️

[@davidpatterson9221]

Having been a die hard Godzilla fan all my life I found this hard to believe at first. But after watching some of these videos and looking into what was being said I was disgusted by what I found. Fandoms are, by their original nature, places for inclusion and shared likes, often likes that would be mocked out in common culture. That people were made to feel so awful that they willingly removed themselves form a community that they should have been welcomed into to enjoy, by the vary said community that I consider myself a part of, makes me feel ashamed. I know that it's not much but I hope that this little bit of typed support helps, if even only a little.

[@DonnyWinter]

Any support helps, even sharing your perspective such as you bravely did. I think we can make this fandom a better place together

[@LORD-c7w]

As Old Solitary Godzilla Fan I never go in G-Fest in my entire Because when I was in Puerto Rico for long years there doesn't have any G-Fest Events in my island to be honest never were but reacting this video is very shocking for the situation of the fandom is very shocking.

[@DonnyWinter]

It absolutely is shocking. I'm sorry that Puerto Rico doesn't have any kaiju convention events :(

[@TRIOAntimations]

Why did everyone simultaneously think to make a video like this?

[@TRIOAntimations]

Btw I’m not judging. It’s just crazy that everyone did this. It’s important to acknowledge so thank you for making this video.

[@DonnyWinter]

Well. Kaiju Kim and Matt Frank are two of my dear friends. I'd say that's the correlation with timing

[@TRIOAntimations]

@@DonnyWinter Yep.

[@TRIOAntimations]

@@DonnyWinter and Godzilla Guy

[@krazykzilla]

It shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere regardless. If you do happen to witness anything, you should try to bring out your inner Showa Gojira. Try and put a stop to a wrong doing. Speak up for the individual. Or if you don’t want to be involved with the conflict, report it. We should all feel safe where ever we go. We can all do something about it. The worst you can do is ignore it.

[@DonnyWinter]

@@krazykzilla Excellent insight! I agree comp!

[@wolfielee11]

I won't go to G Fest ever again after the experience my wife had the last time we went (right before they started spreading covid misinformation and general bigotry). I know folks have their friend groups who they meet up with there and maybe can't meet up with otherwise but holy shit I wish folks would just abandon it for new options. These conversations come up in every fandom and it sucks every time it has to happen but it's great to see folks speaking out and standing up for each other.

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I'm sorry you and your wife had a bad experience before :(

[@leepowers5082]

Well shit, I thought she was fun and lighthearted. I was thinking of going to GFest to meet everyone for the first time. There always idiots ruining it for others. My thoughts… maybe start a fresh new Godzilla celebration somewhere else. I always wondered what it was like. Never been to G Fest.

[@DonnyWinter]

I think G-Fest has the potential to be great. I have fond memories there. I will say that there are a multitude of other conventions though!

[@Amosakitv]

I have seen every video about this topic. People need to understand that there are toxic/fake people in every fandom community, either good or bad, we have to deal with it, not to accept their behavior and banned them out of the godzilla community in general. remember we need to be civil and mutual respect every fan's opinions, not bashing, or discriminate others.

[@DonnyWinter]

Sounds like we are in agreement! Hence why we were having this conversation

[@ExtermCentral]

Thank you Donny! Bad behavior must be exposed and called out.

[@DonnyWinter]

I agree! Let's keep up the good fight!

[@AgentLevitar]

NGL it makes me sad when a YTer or just overall social media person I follow says they will step away from a fandom I love but then I realize I am kinda doing the same thing with Star Wars now Like after the Mandalorian S2, people just seem so bent on complaining about every show afterwards to the point where it is just pointless ragebait over nothing until it circled back to hating on the Mandalorian S2 saying it was only ever good cos "it had cameos" 😔 The Goji fandom is starting to have that now. It's been exposed to a larger audience but sadly that larger audience has some loud annoying, nitpicky fuckers

[@DonnyWinter]

Sometimes you gotta do it for your own mental well-being. It is sad but our bandwidth matters. It's so hard to enjoy this stuff when terrible people loom over everything. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!

[@AgentLevitar]

I will say tho, offline, it's been fantastic! I am seeing kids being huge fans of Godzilla and Kong with convos like this "Mommy, Daddy, I want the Godzilla figure" "Son, you already have a Godzilla figure at home" "Can I have the Kong then?" Dad: "Uhhhh does he have a Kong figure at home already?" Mom: "Eh just buy it" I am just glad that there is a beautiful flip side to the negativity we see online and we are seeing a new generation pick it up I do still hope one day, this positivity slips back online too

[@MiXVoy]

The fandom is just as toxic as Power Rangers, and most of them haven't watched the original Japanese material.

[@DonnyWinter]

Right!?

[@AceLundonMedia]

keep fighting the good fight

[@DonnyWinter]

always

[@Ezilla82]

Oh, if I see something wrong or inappropriate oh, you damn right I'm calling it out.

[@DonnyWinter]

And I LOVE that! Let's call out the BS as we see it!

[@Ezilla82]

@@DonnyWinter Totally agree.

[@Alzilla09]

Honestly I’m really disappointed how the fandom has turned out. Especially how Alyssa got treated is just horrible! I hope she’s doing well. It makes me wish that Godzilla didn’t become so mainstream and was still niche. I still love Godzilla and the franchise but it’s really frustrating when the fandom has become so divided that it’s hard to talk about what we like. That’s why I choose entertainment over fandom anytime. Nice video.

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you! I agree with you whole-heartedly.

[@RoxasMark]

WTF is a Godzilla Fandom?

[@DonnyWinter]

@@RoxasMark 🤣🤣🤣

[@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514]

youve been on the internet for 15 years.. and dont know what a fandom is?

[@RoxasMark]

@@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514 no, I Know what a fandom is. I Just don't know what a Godzilla Fandom is. I've seen those movies since a toddler, and enjoy them to a degree. But like, to declare to be part of a community? Of Godzilla? Am Like "what"? 😅 excuse me, do people like wear badges as well? 📛 I've encounter many fandoms in conventions and such, but a Godzilla Fandom? Never. I've met fans, am one to a degree as well. But I always assumed we were all just that, fans; not a silly community. That's why am baffle by it, it sounds so silly. And then they happen to be... everything that's wrong? Hah hah

[@RoxasMark]

@@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514 ah shit, I just notice your username 😅 sorry mate.

[@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514]

@@RoxasMark well as long as something has fans that know eachother its a community

[@maniacman7774]

Yeah, it honestly sucks seeing how so many people within the godzilla fandom end up acting like this. It's not only disgusting behavior, but it negatively affects so many people, from those that're having this fone to them, to those who're friends with those people Heck, I've seen plenty of times where people would go on to harass others for sinple things like opinions, like how so many people attacked and harassed someone because they said that they didn't like shin godzilla as a movie, or the multitude of times arguments have happened over the designs of some of the kaiju, and heck, even within the side of the community that work on art, there's harassment, like someone making over 20 accounts to harass someone's art and fan designs of goji and other kaiju, and another person who not only harassed the same person over their art style and designs, but went on to say some heinous things to others, lime telling a 14 yo that they were gonna tough their lifeless body, and even tried to frame someone else of being behind the account It honestly really sucks seeing how bad the fandom is getting. Like its somehow getting more toxic than the actual kaiju mutated by a nuke. Whike i honestly don't have that much hope left, I can only hope that things can get better and this tyoe of behavior gets called out more and more

[@DonnyWinter]

I think the fact that we all can have this conversation shows there's hope. There are those who would dismiss this outright - we are not, which is a step in the right direction i'd say!

[@angalarian2240]

Im in the side of the community where we do powerscaling and stuff like that. But we just cant escape the toxicity honestly, especially with monsterverse fans where they say like size is more important than feats, and when someone like me where i have to point out that powerscaling is more accurate than size or battle analysis, they become rabid animals, they get so angry, they fight in the comment sections about how powerscaling doesnt matter, or like they just keep hyping one version of godzilla like Earth or legendary as the strongest because of size and not power. Its understandable if you cant relate with me here, but honestly their just worse. Their was even one time where one guy got sent a video by one of these "monsterverse fans" of a person ( i dont really wanna describe it) taking his self out, the guy didnt really told us why the kid sent him the video but based from the channel the kid had he was monsterverse fan that hates heisei. So we assumed that the kid sent the video because the guy presumably made a post on how heisei godzilla beats legendary godzilla in a fight and got angry. The fact its a kid who doesnt know any better was the one to send him the video is just baffling honestly. Honestly lets just keep fighting really, its just like pandemic it may or may not go away

[@DonnyWinter]

I mean, I don't think it's ever gonna be fully fixed. But, I'm more concerned about bystanders just watching all hell break loose sometimes.

[@godzillacore94]

Thank you for making this video. Over the years, your channel has become a safe space for me because the groups I was in at one point were just so toxic. Keep doing all the good work you do!

[@DonnyWinter]

Thank you!

[@ShinGodzilla2014]

This is becoming outrageous for the Godzilla fandom no one shouldn’t be deserve to be treated badly and the Godzilla fan fandom has gotten even more toxic, terrible and mentally unstable and really pushing political ideology and propaganda into all of the fandoms that is why I don’t go to g-fest or any other fandom festival because I don’t feel safe and comfortable and stop stalking, sexual harassment on to our kaiju sisters, brothers and family the Godzilla fandom needs to get their act together or else but I don’t know if it happens but toho will take action

[@DonnyWinter]

agree completely!

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

I cant wait for all these dramatic people to be forgotten. Theres nothing wrong with the fandom other than the fact that it has people in it. And people all have to face shitty people. Getting real sick of being labeled toxic over anecdotal experiences of overdramatic peeps that are too afraid to press the block button.

[@DonnyWinter]

Sounds like you need to do some self reflection. 🙃

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

@@DonnyWinter sounds like you have no rebuttal

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

@@DonnyWinter jeez how dare I disagree with you lol

[@DonnyWinter]

@@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive Here's a rebuttal for you: just because you *may* not have faced this same level of hate doesn't mean it isn't incredibly real for others. You may re-think labeling us "overdramatic" if you were threatened, called slurs, or stalked at conventions on a regular basis like many of us have been. You're free to have your opinion of course, but optically speaking, you "disagreeing with me," suggests that you disagree that this toxic behavior is unacceptable. Do you think this toxic behavior should go unconfronted?

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

@@DonnyWinter I never said it shouldn't be confronted but generalizing the whole fanbase as toxic over a few individuals is pretty wild. Tell me is the black community toxic? A quick look at crime statistics would lead you to believe so by that logic. Shitty people are in every corner of the world including the internet. But getting on a soap box and morally presiding over us as if we dont already shun such behavior is pretty cringeworthy. Last time I checked most godzilla groups have rules against such things and admins are always on top of giving the ban-hammer to problematic folks. People not having the brain power to just mute and block people that are harassing them is the real issue here. Like did your parents ever teach you how to safely navigate the internet? I'm not downplaying anything. Just confused by everyone not using common sense.

[@PFLAGGLB]

👏👏👏👏

[@DonnyWinter]

[@soldiergone2war]

quit wining

[@DonnyWinter]

Thanks for the view;)

[@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514]

its always the war buffs who are toxic lol

[@LobsterCameramanProductions]

Whining*