Reacting to 90s/2000s Internet Wrestling Fans (Episode 2)

Last year I made a video of me going back and reacting to 2000s Internet wrestling fans. Seeing what the forums looked like back in the day, what predictions they had, what they liked and what they didn't. It was such a fun experience and really showed how, not much has changed since then. Its been over a year since then, and now its finally time for Episode 2. This time we are going back even further, we are going back to the 90s, and we are finding all the crazy takes we can. This will now be a monthly series. Hope you all enjoy! Topics covered as Stone Cold sucks back in 1998, Sting should retire, WWE predictions for 2010 and Kurt Angle to TNA news.
Special thanks to the homie @TheNewMemes on Twitter for helping me find a few of the links
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[@WrestlinGifs]

Im really happy with how this video turned out. It’s more of a niche video and won’t do crazy views. But I just hope all of you who do watch, enjoy it🙏🏼❤️

[@redbullbrown9]

When are you going to review the 2010 tough enough comeback? Also great vid

[@TheNewMeme_]

W

[@ljaren8515]

I will watch every Part of this 1000 times to get you views

[@zacharyjackson3104]

@WrestlinGifs bro you holding it down for the culture. content been top tier for a while now, fam. 🫡

[@vinnieplays419]

Davey Boy Smith smoking crack video come onnnn

[@AndersonTenecela]

Someone hating Steve Austin in 1998, no wonder why WWE refuses to listen to the internet

[@DADON99]

Refuses?…that’s all they do especially with HHH in charge now😂

[@gx1tar1er]

@@DADON99 not really. if he is, he'll not keep Roman Reigns as a champion for very long (hardcore wrestling fans are tired of him) & he would've fired Logan Paul (IWC hated him since he's not a "wrestler"). Also a lot of wrestlers are not all "midget" like Johnny Wrestling on the roster, otherwise Omos vs Braun will never happen.

[@DADON99]

@@gx1tar1er he’s re signing everyone of the NXT jobbers Vince let go, every week on the show is wrestling, wrestling and more wrestling, he had Bayley main eventing, he brought back the club😂, he centering RAW around the judgment day, Johnny Gargano and candice larae, Theory took a L to Johnny Gargano, ended RAW last week with a Nikki Cross heel turn…this man used Nikki Cross as a reason to make people wanna watch RAW tonight😂😂. Tony Kahn may be worse than Triple H when it comes to this shit but at end of the day…both write their shows for the IWC

[@gx1tar1er]

@@DADON99 Well let's see (eventhough I like Smackdown so far way more than Raw). But unfortunately Vince retired & passed his prime. For sure now wrestling will never be mainstream until it appeals to causal audience & also younger audience (also wrestling needs the next John Cena, the megastar in wrestling & it needs to be "cool" again). But another issue is a lot from Attitude & RA era (some from Golden era) can never be done today (and almost all of these are Vince's idea). The thing is I have no problem with PG rating as Smackdown has always been PG.

[@gx1tar1er]

@@DADON99 Just don't watch Raw since it's wrestling match based. Watch Smackdown as it focuses more on storyline, character, gimmick, charisma. That's why I like it way more & it's my taste + I grow up with it (I was into John Cena, not Kenny Omega & I didn't know who he was until 2020). You have like Roman Reigns, Logan Paul on Smackdown & they boost views.

[@Eshan-]

So every top star gets the "you can't wrestle" by the IWC, we have never changed lol

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

Lmfaooo

[@factteller9640]

Smarks love to chant "you can't wrestle" to every face of the company but when their own indie midget punk who is botching moves frequently won't receive those chants.

[@michaelrivera8360]

"He doesn't do 450 phoenix splash so he defenitely can't wrestle"🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@michaelrivera8360]

@@factteller9640 the botching move is not the problem is the fact he is not over although some of those"indy wrestlers"did get over but they had show they had character and charisma tho

[@bakedalaskax]

It was pretty depressing to see how much that hasn't changed, ngl

[@billiamsandals175]

Couple things I’d like to see: - forums after the screwjob - reactions to WWF purchasing WCW - reactions to the NWO storyline from july 1996 - if you could find some reactions and predictions for the future to early TNA (from around 2002-2003) - early talks about ROH

[@man.thegreat]

Fingerpoke of doom Curtain Call Outsiders invading WCW Hogan heel turn

[@USHARDY]

You should watch Solomonster’s RSPW videos, a lot of these topics are covered from 90s/2000s Internet forums

[@byGalaxyy]

Pop

[@suiken3149]

Forum boards wasn't a thing back in 1996. Maybe in AOL/Yahoo chatrooms

[@ousmansano21]

Crazy to think some of these guys might be in there 40s now😳

[@prod.gregupnext2958]

Facts 😳 thats wild

[@kentajin7860]

Or even 50's too+

[@jordannewsom3606]

True

[@nikhilgill]

​@@kentajin7860 or dead

[@Coral333]

That'll be us one day🙏

[@Strangepete]

Undertaker very nearly retired in late 1999. Wild to think about. He was limping a lot that year and was already a veteran and a respected legend back then with many injuries at just 34.

[@suiken3149]

Can't believe he's younger than Austin. lol

[@Eshan-]

FINALLY we have part 2, been waiting a year for this

[@WrestlinGifs]

Now you’ll get an episode every month !

[@Eshan-]

@@WrestlinGifs What a W, we get more of these videos, glad they are back

[@richarddedios4055]

Hell yeah!! I'm gonna love this series so much. It's always fascinating and interesting to look back and see what the wrestling community was like in the 90s and early 2000s. @Wrestlingifs you're awesome man!! I always enjoy the content you put out.

[@daymonharris8696]

As a 2000s ruthless aggreaion kid, all i can say is that i am really glad you cover retro content from both eras widley, and not just in wrestling either. Thank you Pav.

[@mariowalker9048]

Well he's also 2000s-era ruthless aggression kid

[@daymonharris8696]

@@mariowalker9048 that is what makes it better to me.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

We were lucky to be kids during ruthless aggression

[@mrprincetonx]

Ruthless aggression era 🐐

[@smolfry3438]

@@mrprincetonx no

[@alextoygamer14]

"I will be doing this series until I retire" it's 2023 and he only made one more episode

[@XKTwentyFive]

Oh, yeah. I remember that. Everyone hated Goldberg and The Rock because they both only knew three moves. And don't forget about Kane's green and black DX attire. Who can forget the internet blowing up with rage when Stephanie McMahon was announced as the new owner of ECW? And back in 2002, everyone hated Raw for the same reasons today: ratings sucked, and they failed to make new stars. Glass ceiling. Blah blah blah. And everyone hated Brock until they saw that OVW clip of him doing a Shooting Star Press. That, plus his SummerSlam 2002 match against Rock changed everyone's mind.

[@Annoitedpastorlewiswalkin]

Wow I guess the iwc never do change

[@michaelrivera8360]

To be fair the ratings and not creating new stars did apply and ratings reflected that.But the IWC as always been like this lol

[@ulyssesglemao6783]

Classic wrestling

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@Annoitedpastorlewiswalkineven in the early 90s the Warrior and Hogan hate was there , it's not a "new" concept there was even a nbc special on how Hogan , Warrior, Stone Cold, The Rock, Goldberg and Kevin Nash weren't "real pro wrestlers" in 2000 with socalled "experts" who were just IWC forum creators and founders

[@Eshan-]

One of the reasons why I love these videos is because the fans on the older forum posts make some good predictions that do come true like the JBL one or the WWE Network one, it seemed like the fans back then actually could see what will happen better than the fans now can tbh

[@kcwstudios7794]

The post Wrestlemania 17 reactions sound really interesting, wonder how those Austin haters from the beginning felt since he “finally changed his act”😂

[@alec2000]

Man, I still can’t believe even after a year after your first video of this, the IWC was a thing and were as ridiculous as they are today. Yeah, not AS insane as today, but still, it blows my mind.😂 Wrestling fans truly are something else.😂🤣

[@pleaseshutup7053]

If there is one thing to Learn from the internet is not everybody is gonna like 1 thing

[@michaelrivera8360]

But I thought it was twitter that ruined wrestling🙄😂

[@RockApe_]

Now literally everybody is part of the IWC lol

[@acjuan84]

​@@michaelrivera8360Right!

[@blacktytrix]

Some things never change. Sadly, the IWC is one of those things. Like it's insane how some people are out here prophesizing jbl's rise and wholesomely reminiscing about wrestling when they were younger while there are also people saying in 99 jericho will never break out and that edge, jeff, and Matt hardy have horrible mic skills and will never be over (to which edge became one of the greatest of all time and one of the best mic workers of all time too, with Matt, Jeff, and chris remaining some of the most popular guys in the industry today). People moaning about cena immediately into his run, people doing it to Austin too, like it's ridiculous.

[@michaelrivera8360]

In case you don't know the IWC has always been workrate related and hate popular wrestlers so much so like you said tbe hated Austin and Rock because they were the most popular guys at the time and Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez after he started in 1995 he had to defend those guys because in wrestling everything is about drawing.The only ones that where in tune with business mostly where observer readers because Dave always said everything is about money.He from the start predicticted the rise of Cena,Rock,Austin.Still to this day the IWC hates popular wrestlers why do you think in online polls the top guys never win polls in favorites.

[@blacktytrix]

@@michaelrivera8360 for as long as I've been here it has, it just kind of shocks me that this has been happening for over 20 years at this point.

[@michaelrivera8360]

@@blacktytrix true I am kinda the same way the first time I got into wrestling forums I was like WTF what is this lol so I hate when people say "Twitter and facebook killed wrestling if the IWC was back then they would kill it"And people like me that have been on forums for years say dude the IWC has been like this forever the only thing back in the day it was on forums now the"IWC" is everyone who is online in social media and stuffs

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@michaelrivera8360 right and they can't understand why Vince famously said he doesn't read the IWC forums or dirt sheets , I don't blame him

[@andreawest2194]

The Austin can’t wrestle one blows my mind, wtf are you smoking bro 🤣

[@flippy7035]

In short: Danielson was right, wrestling fans really are fickle and always have been.

[@andycarver297]

Smarks were early adopters of the internet.

[@Thunder-do2rr]

I went to Church with a guy who had been watching pro wrestling since he was young. He passed in April or march of this year. However one night, we were yacking about the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s of pro wrestling. It was cool. He was telling me all about it. I’m 21 and have been watching wrestling off and on throughout the years. In February we went to raw. So we were talking about it. It was all super cool! He was a very Genuine guy. Took a lot of new fresh pro wrestling viewpoints out of it.

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

I didn’t even know the internet existed in 1990. 😭

[@Marcelg13]

I remember back then that there were people believing Ric Flair would be the third men in the NWO. The Wrestling forums were already crazy back then XD

[@Chuck_EL]

​​@@Marcelg13 him, or Sting especially since he started dying his hair back to it's natural brunette and was wearing it down and his demeanor changing around that time too

[@aksharpatel7105]

"Ric flair, retire??? In this economy???" 😂😂 Love the videos Pav, keep up the great work brotha

[@neosname1074]

"It doesn't matter if it's 2002 or if it's 2022, wrestling fans on the internet.. are idiots." - Pav.

[@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780]

agreed always will be idiots not real wrestling fans

[@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii]

The complaint I ever had with Austin's mic skills is he gave the fans their most annoying weapon ever. The WHAT!?! chant.

[@wrinklybean287]

Some ideas to check out are When Vince bought wcw Hogan going to TNA Hardy going to TNA in 2010 Sting going full time in TNA in like 2006 Jeff Jarrett’s reign of terror in TNA

[@BorislavVeselinov]

Ideas for the next video: - post screwjob forums. - early talks about PWG and ROH. - forums talking about ECW. - forums talking about NWO. - forums talking about Edge cashing in on Cena. - reactions to the One Night Stand shows and Mania 25.

[@error7967]

Pav I am currently dead rn but the notification to your video saved me now I’m at my own funeral watching this video

[@Sbournazian1]

I remember watching the last one and you were talking about Wrestlemania 25 and people thinking austin was gonna come back and you said "austin didn't return and he never will" 1 year later fr it's crazy 😂

[@ohdude8895]

The first forum video was a year ago already??? dude, time surely passes by so fast. But i'm glad your channel is getting big, Pav. You deserve that

[@jada9172]

I need the Scott Steiner/Triple H feud form LMAO

[@schalkewwefan04]

hey pav i love the idea of making it a monthly format. I might have an own idea for u or at least my own twist for ur format. how about not only checking out the forums but also looking at the old wwe homepage by using the waybackmachine. this should also make u nostalgic af once u see the wwe webpage from 05 or so. would love to see that as a live reaction or so. have a nice day guys! take care

[@IvanJPM23]

I loved the first edition and gave me a perspective of fans at the time, since I am a "newer" fan (other way of saying that I was literally NOT alive when the Attitude Era ended), and sometimes wonder what fans thought of the attitude era when it was the current thing going. If some people that see this were around at the time and remember to think some stuff that now would be considered "Stupid/Ridiculous" I would like to hear your thoughts.

[@animejat]

I was born at the tail-end of the ruthless aggression era-2008. The wrestline I grew up with was this combination of the old and new; I loved veterans such as Triple H, John Cena, Randy Orton, the Undertaker, Kane, the Rock, Rey Mysterio, but one of my favorite wrestlers was CM Punk, who I wouldn't necessarily have considered a "veteran" around the early to mid 2010s. Also, the mid card had people like the Miz, Cesaro, Wade Barrett, etc., as well as setting the Shield up as one of the most dominant teams in the WWE at the time. And even then, I can say with confidence that the WWE has changed so much since the early to mid 2010s. People like Baron Corbin, Finn Balor, Rusev, Sami Zayn, and Kevin Owens came onto the scene from NXT, they tried to give Jinder Mahal a big push and I just thought he was a total jackass lmao (they did much better with Drew McIntyre), and so much was just crazy for the WWE. Then COVID hit and it felt like more changed in the time during and after COVID than the entire decade that preceded it. Now apparently Logan Paul, who was never even in the WWE in 2019 and early 2020 (around when I stopped watching it), is the US champion, the Usos split, Big E has a gimmick separate from the rest of the New Day, the Miz and R-Truth are back and now RAW tag team champions, with Austin Theory and (I forgot the name of his tag partner) are SmackDown tag team champions, Sami Zayn is now IC champion after winning it from this guy named "Gunther" whom I have very little recollection of, if any, among other things. The craziest thing to me, however, is that Roman Reigns was being pushed even harder than before, becoming the longest reigning WWE champion in the modern era. Not even the fact that Cody Rhodes came back in the most badass gimmick in the modern day imo and won the title from him, but simply the fact that Reigns was being so heavily pushed during this time. Oh yeah, and apparently Steve Austin came out of retirement to face Kevin Owens at one WrestleMania event, I do kinda want to watch that entire Road to WrestleMania and see where that panned from. Anyways yeah, I suppose some things change drastically, while others stay the damn same. I'm excited to start getting back into the WWE, and MITB next weekend will be the first PP- I mean "PLE" that I'll watch live after getting back into WWE

[@guerrero520]

Oof that 1990 post. I can’t imagine anyone posting in that year, mid to late 90s sure but January of 1990?! That’s practically still the 80s! I didn’t exist for another couple years.

[@dennisbowen452]

It's funny. It's almost like people have hated every era of wrestling that isn't what they grew up on.

[@prod.gregupnext2958]

Austin Back in the day before his neck he was a technician god

[@RockyandAustin337]

Facts look of his matches that he had in WCW with ric flair, Ricky the dragon steamboat in WWF his matches that he had against Bret hart at Survivor series 96 and the Famous I Quit Submission at WM 13 with a double turn that had never been done before with a 5 star rating.

[@prod.gregupnext2958]

@@RockyandAustin337 facts bro u know whats up with stone cold people forget how good he is its just the neck thing

[@JamesR1986]

As someone who hung out on the GameFAQs WWF forms back in the late 90s, this is taking me back. I distinctly remember posters calling for Chris Jericho and Chris (Redacted) getting pushes at the expense of guys like Austin and The Rock, (especially The Rock) Really enjoying this.

[@King_Dragmire]

This is a fantastic series. I would love to see an entire episode for the just the oldest threads you can find. I wonder if fans back then were even close to how crazy fans are now

[@hollowwraith4513]

The fans calling Austin's act "old" are the fans HHH is gonna open his ears to smh

[@mackenziel1266]

That's what I am most worried about when it comes to Triple H in control.

[@michaelrivera8360]

@@mackenziel1266 I doubt Triple h cares about what the IWC cares just because he going with IWC favorites.If you go by that logic Triple h was a journeyman wrestler in the 90's because he did minor companies and shows in bars and malls which is the equivalent of indy wrestler today,before he signed with WCW and WWF.

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

He panders to smarks way to much

[@govardhanposina17]

@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t lmao, product under Haitch was the best we had in a long long time, these comments aged well indeed

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t considering ROMAN IS STILL champion i disagree with that

[@cahillscourt]

This video concept is so dope. I was thinking of doing something like this for NBA-related topics. If I ever do I’ll for sure give you a shoutout

[@glol416]

Please 🙌

[@Whoever-tf]

Yes please do that

[@ritimandebbarma8611]

the fact is, we can never appreciate what we have now and gonna figure that out later, "damn those were the days" lol

[@Chuck_EL]

The JBL heel run is a good example of that It was "hated" by most and now it's beloved I think it's kinda sad because JBL is a heel he's supposed to upset you

[@zacktyler485]

Angle going to tna was historic like it blew my mind when he went

[@Eshan-]

I wanna see forum reactions to Cena's album when it dropped, Edge cashing in on Cena, Jeff Hardy winning the WWE title, and the reaction to WrestleMania 25 (especially Triple H Vs Orton)

[@sheriffdraws8789]

I remember the WM25 reviews very well. I used to use 411mania that time and it was the iwc shitting on the show non stop smh.

[@temmywemmy8544]

I’m a PG era kid, it’s cool to see everyone was like this before

[@Whoever-tf]

Same

[@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780]

its just worse now

[@phillip7650]

I love this series. Can you do more early/mid 2000’s reactions

[@j.r.765]

Danielson did say that fans are fickle

[@eddygm886]

11:04 it was so unexpected that it made me laugh😂

[@lucasstacy5624]

Always a great day when we get a new video

[@microwavedpepsi]

This is the equivalent of digging up dinosaur bones bro 💀💀💀

[@Aniwazoa]

These videos are so fascinating. It's awesome that you are able to find these old forums and give us a picture of what the early days of the IWC was like.

[@penguinarmy6728]

Great video, can’t wait for part 3

[@miggy4854]

"The more things change, the more they stay the same." - Zack Gibson

[@everythingedits4918]

Bro I love your vids you give me so much nostalgia it’s crazy thank you bro!

[@shawnmichaels568]

You're the best bro, I'm excited for part 3 man.

[@williamnimbach9141]

This is actually really cool!! I remember being a kid back in the 90s working the lines and fourms trying to find spoilers and hear about rumors they had a number you could call into to. being a fan back in the day was so much funner!! I recently went on rec sports pro wrestling and found some my comments from the 90s lol it's so cool they don't delete the posts!! Very excited to see ep 3.

[@phatboybright]

Glad u posted this, it goes to show what I’ve always said most stars wouldn’t have made it if they had to deal with internet. There are so many stars in the current landscape that can’t get a break because of internet fandoms.

[@KendallStands]

I’ve been waiting for this video since part 1 came out!

[@cirovaldez4871]

Love your videos! I had an idea for what to look for in the next video. It would be so interesting to see what people were saying when the “Eddie is Dominic’s father” storyline was happening. What they thought of how outlandish it was and if anyone ever predicted Dominic wrestling some day. Best of luck with your channel Pav :)

[@Ir0le]

Awesome vid. everyday you post is a good day.

[@agudgorl]

Pav, I'm stoked to see you doing these videos. I know it's a long shot to ask this, but if you ever need a co-commentator for Part 3, I'm always available

[@jada9172]

I love this series so much!!

[@ripstarboyxx8493]

Great series bro!🔥

[@Jnwboss]

This series is awesome I absolutely love these and they are very fascinating. I genuinely want to know if you can potentially find some on TNA/NWA early years and predictions that people had about the company and those stars.

[@D_disguise]

There’s a reason Austin’s gimmick was “The ring master” before stone cold. He could go before the neck went. Fans can be ridiculous

[@umvc3magicsaltbus177]

Great idea making this a series!

[@PhilipJohn2004]

Randy Orton and The Miz to TNA is crazy lmao, even though the user said it was a left field prediction.

[@Chuck_EL]

It's just like the "This wwe talent will go to Aew" stories today

[@Hard2Guard1702]

Great freaking vid. You’ll always get my view

[@yo-yb1ne]

Love these vids

[@javondrake3660]

i love these so much!!

[@AngTheRapPlug]

Make these a thing every month🔥

[@SubIsPog]

I'd like to see how people reacted to Rey Mysterio's debut

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

Austin used to do more moves till his injury..he also did moves

[@zwebackshyper9307]

really like these type of videos

[@jacobmoulton5554]

Austin did about everything except high fly and his mic skills were just as good as the rock

[@deetheoriginal3117]

It's Always A Good Day When Pav Uploads

[@antichrist._]

It's also fun to read people's opinions and predictions about wwe games during the ps1 or ps2 era.

[@OhyeahMrKrabz]

Pav uploading again thanks man

[@dontmatterbecause1009]

I really like these videos, i dig it😁

[@Aston.villa.]

I did not grow up in the ruthless aggression era but you make it feel like I was there and a future video idea is rebooking wrestlemania 27

[@dadumbfuck420]

Imagine hating on Stone Cold ever... But let alone in 1998.

[@amigo_583]

Ayo Pav, love your videos man.

[@andreimacarie6639]

Nice clip bro !!

[@laststand1618]

Amazing Video, Pav! 😎

[@javi994]

6:08 “I WILL NEVER RETIRE!!!!!”

[@RockyandAustin337]

For those the people say at the time say that Austin couldn’t wrestle Before his neck injuries Look up His two Famous matches he had against Bret hart one from Survivor series 96 and The I Quit submission match at WM 13 which was a 5 star classic double turn that had never done in a wrestling business before and ya’ll telling me that Stone cold can’t wrestling come on now.

[@dukesilver9704]

Don't forget his years as Stunning Steve Austin too, said himself he was a technician without much personality yet. The man could wrestle, smarks or whoever Don't know what they're talking about.

[@IcedCoffeeCrazy]

Looking sharp Pav

[@hendrxx9593]

since there’s a part 2 of iwc comments comments, theres gonna be a part 2 of the svr 2007 gm mode….right

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

Lmfao

[@acceptable1609]

We can only hope.

[@sanguis21]

Yo pav, i'll love to see ur reaction to 100%lucha... It was an argentinian wrestling show wich, in 2006/2007, had more rating than wwe, there is a picture of Shane mcmahon and the 100%lucha staff because wwe wanted to Buy it... For us in argentina was the entry to wrestling and i'll love to see u watchin it cause u my fav wwe content creator... Much love broda

[@suiken3149]

1990? World wide web weren't even introduced to the public until 1994. Must be an IT specialist during that time.

[@Starzoh]

Bro they were pushing for ric flair to retire 20 years ago there's no way 😭😭😭😭😭

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

😭😂

[@daymonharris8696]

Only if they knew LMAOO

[@spartanq7781]

The internet in the 90's? That existed? I remember the dial up internet. God that was annoying. How far we have come. Bitching about things never goes out of style it seems.

[@TheNewMeme_]

Yo thanks for the shoutout. Love the content

[@Brandon-zk7sy]

Love these vids should definitely check out some ecw stuff

[@them4580]

The cena and austin hate is crazy, lowkey same thing is happening to reigns now

[@boogieap3617]

Now this is an innovative idea

[@daxmoney5011]

13:07 I was a couple of hours old on August 25th of 06 when these basement dwellers were posting this

[@thaddeusjones540]

Now he knows how I feel when they complain about Roman reigns and John cena

[@antwoneallwood6352]

The Rock haters were bad enough but Stone Cold haters what man.

[@StonerzNation]

Bro got me crying 😂😂😂6:10

[@kinglaff3256]

Lettsss goooooo new upload

[@Vibe1610]

W for using the HOVA beat

[@dontbeaglizzygobblerplz5961]

Ah a Pav upload my day is instantly better

[@Alikhedr316]

the goat is back