Reacting To A Video On How Shadman Got His Roots Into The Internet

[@zakaryrichmond396]

The shadman connection list is the youtube equivalent of the epstien flight logs

[@catnium]

who cares the man make porn and we jerked off to it we are all guilty

[@Aquelll]

So the next Republican presidential nominee is probably from that list, right? 😅

[@zakaryrichmond396]

​@@Aquelllif Mr beast runs at some point like he keeps joking about then we have our shad list candidate

[@ReverendKJ]

What bugs me is that generally people are like, “he’s a creep”. Yet so many popular people (in charge of a new mainstream cartoon) just hang with him and ignore him drawing some REAL WORLD little girl stuff. It takes time to draw something like that, it’s more than just a “haha joke”.

[@catnium]

its like shein,... ppl tell you to not shop at shein only for you to find out that they shop at shein

[@BeGayDoCrimez]

Yeah. And you couldn't even criticize it, because you'd be instantly mobbed. Everyone was fighting for him in the comments like drawing l0l1 shit was the last bastion of free speech

[@BL8DM8N]

​​@@BeGayDoCrimez the "free speech absolutist" to P. Dough File pipeline

[@cf3714]

I was working so much 2012-2018, that I mostly avoided the internet back then. I also had a gap where my family members were either too young, not born or grown up, so I missed the whole Nickelodeon debacle too. The most I got was a family member talking to me about "ethics in video games", but I wasn't gaming much either, so I ignored that too. Can't believe I missed half of youtube being open CP advocates and this is the first time hearing about it.

[@devofficialchannel]

The co-creator of Smiling Friends being a roommate of Shadman is itself a big Smiling Friends episode on its own.

[@21Handguns]

Reminder people: people who supported shadman and got caught aren't sad or feel bad because they learned he was a creep. They knew and defended him,using "free speech" as a cope. Never forgive and never forget

[@railfandepotproductions]

*coping mechanism

[@21Handguns]

@@railfandepotproductions that's ..what I said. 🤦‍♀️

[@railfandepotproductions]

@@21Handguns what I was just correcting a grammar error

[@Deform-2024]

"Edgetube" gave so many horrible people a pass because it was cool or just a meme.

[@colesanlo3127]

Shoe being this big "crusader against pedophilia" just to defend shadman is funny.

[@R0B1NG5]

I remember when I used to watch Oney he would talk about him completely normally even at the point when it was becoming pretty clear what tastes the guy had. Peoples defense of him had some weird momentum, they had to have it shoved in their face before they finally quietly started to distance themselves from him.

[@BeGayDoCrimez]

Oney audience still defend Shadman on Reddit

[@zakaryrichmond396]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/omHUhnWanp2td9ksi=BrB6WNw_YC2rikod They uploaded this compilation in 2021 and the second clip is them talking about shad positively. Its strange

[@Levyathyn]

I think a lot of the holdover of this blanket acceptance of Shad among the migrant KZbin people that were pushed from Newgrounds were people that had made sort of that deeper connection, those ties with him, as animators on that same platform. People like Oney, Egoraptor, probably xKore and others. They all had this culture club mentality back then that survived the transition to KZbin, and like you talk about in this video, the edgy nature of KZbin at the time cultivated this level of acceptance and paved the way for all of this shit. You could practically see Shadman's support shedding in realtime with every line he crossed, as fewer and fewer people cared about him or stood to defend him or side with him over freedom of expression until, even as the era was changing around him, he had almost no one left.

[@DaniBeee420]

The guy was funny and at the time his crass art was very unique! The minute people found out he was a legit pedo he lost fans. It was a different time.

[@AggressiveLemur]

As a former fan of Shadman until he started drawing cp....his stuff was cool...till it fucking wasn't.

[@ruddiko]

Nah man it was always creepy he just got very bold with it but it was always creepy and his art was mid at worst forgettable at best. Yikes to that redflag my guy * insert FBI meme here*

[@FTZPLTC]

Yeah, I find the pious outrage a little weird tbh. But it's always like this. Once people know that someone who was popular is a bad person, they like to imagine that it was *always* obvious to them, and then start lashing out to prove how obvious it was to them. They don't want to admit that they liked some art by a bad person because they think that reflects badly on them. After a while, I think most of us learn with experience that *anyone* can be a bad person, and most people won't know about it because bad people don't tend to tell everyone what crimes they're doing.

[@AggressiveLemur]

​@@ruddikoyoure totally welcome to that opinion, maybe you would have sussed it out faster than me, maybe i should have sussed it out better. But I drew the line at the CP. I couldn't defend or justify it past that point.

[@drufusthedufus]

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[@raxusveritas]

Isn't this the guy that drew [COD POINTS] of the girl from Toy Story 3

[@lonewolffang]

Yep

[@urgae9125]

Also who drew child corn of Keemstar’s eight year old daughter.

[@rebelRed_]

And Keemstar's daughter

[@thegravityguy4654]

That’s disgusting!

[@21Handguns]

He did so for the actress that played X-23 in Logan,who was no older than 12(probably younger at the time). It got to the point her actual team members sent a cease and desist towards him and he had a tantrum over it. Sicko

[@TheBeat710]

Shadman didn't always do lolicon shit, but I think that he also did some demented drawings in a sexual tone. I just viewed him since I first heard about him as that weird-as-hell artist.

[@TheLeafcuter]

I mean, he probably always has, just didn't publicise it until he felt confident enough to

[@rockfire1669]

What was shadman’s first comic about?

[@MikkelPickel]

@@rockfire1669 It was either the School of Rock/columbine parody or the nostalgia critic hating his fans joke. There may be earlier ones those were the first ones he posted on his website (Edit) Now I remember It was a chick banging a skeleton

[@wfmacmillan]

I doubt thats Turkey Tom he would have been in middle school back then

[@xuxuang8574]

I think it's hard for younglings online to understand, but before the Internet, the levels of free speech were incredibly low. If you wanted to put something out in any way, you had to go through gatekeepers, and the results were negative. So when the Internet was getting going it was truly believed that absolute free speech was the solution. That free from the gatekeepers, the marketplace of ideas would settle with the good ideas at the top and the bad ideas at the bottom. But we just didn't predict the stupidity of people. We were optimistic to the point of naivity. It was an experiment that had never been tried before. It's easy to say in hindsight that it was a failure, and it seems obvious on this side of it how dangerous and stupid that idea was, but back then, with no equivalent experiment, we thought it would yield very different results.

[@jonathanschofield2453]

38:03 This is actually the reason I became a chud-lite for a small time. I was a huge Loud House fan at the time, and I continually denied Chris Savino's harassment and blacklisting female animators. I got over it eventually, but the big reason I escaped from that hole was that the MRAs were attacking women directly rather than the ideas of feminism. Honestly, I was never really into the cheerleader types, the popular women, or even the conventionally attractive. That's my tale.

[@sunnythemartian]

okay i should probably preface this by saying i'm like five seconds into the video and i just read this comment but like.... seeing someone say that the loud house is why they almost became a chud on a video about fucking shadman is quite the start 😭

[@jonathanschofield2453]

@@sunnythemartian Tbh, I don't blame you. It sounds like a stretch, but it's true.

[@jonathanschofield2453]

Also, my first comment had a time stamp. There's a statement Xanderhal says that prompted me to air my dirty laundry.

[@BadaBadger]

And I got called a sensitive [Racial /Friend/] for thinking Shadman was a freak.

[@gremn5443]

Should probably have the video or channel be linked in the description

[@AllExistenceItself]

The Living Tombstone bro!

[@fordfarmer7]

this has been a wild thing to learn about over the last few weeks

[@JaneDoe-b8y]

You know shadman still has a account on twitter.

[@Koifin3]

Not surprised whatsoever. Elon hangs with literal Nazis he’s not going to draw the line at Shadman.

[@neferiusnexus]

>leaves

[@FTZPLTC]

OK, one area I think advil is wrong here is in deciding that people have some duty to make sure everyone knows that they no longer associate with someone who was outed as a nonce... just in case someone can't be bothered to find out. Like, should all these creators have a pinned tweet forever denouncing the guy? It's not like this was the definining moment of Elvis' entire career. Common sense would dictate (to most people, anyway) that if you want to know whether someone's changed their mind about something over the past eight years... that's something you would have to find out, rather than something that you would expect to have shown to you the moment you think about it. I dunno, dude just seems to be really defensive of the Twitter mob.

[@bon3tynormy]

Can you please add a link to the video.

[@MikkelPickel]

I remember when I found his KZbin channel 2013-2014. He was drawing popular female characters and then at the end he would draw a BIG OL' bulge on them! I found it funny and became a fan and even went to his websites (Shadbase and Shagbase) There were loli characters but always drawn with big butts and boobs... Till they weren't but this happened slowly, when he did the Keem daughter drawing, I thought nothing of it and thinking it was just him being "edgy of the sake of edgy". I did find it creepy but the reason stopped going to his websites around this time was cause his art getting worst. Later I found out he got better artist to sometimes sketch stuff for him and he'd colored it in. Btw Onlyplays guys haven't been friends with Shad for years now if Cory (Spazkid) Twitter argument with him is something to go on, and Mick became an alcoholic and burned every bridge with the Oneyplays guys

[@seansteele6532]

I thought this was gonna be about the weird Australian sword guy…

[@BL8DM8N]

3:40 oh my gawd they were roommates...

[@Deadpool3E]

What's the link to the list?

[@peccantis]

The video in question: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6mpq6yBlNN4d8k

[@BeGayDoCrimez]

I remember how normalized this loli crap was back in 2017. Literally everyone knew about Shadman drawings, huge content creators like pewdiepie memed about it and it wasn't even considered controversial, just *cool" and edgy. And when someone would call it out all the usual suspects were frothing at the mouth defending this p3d0 shit like it's the last bastion of free speech

[@zakaryrichmond396]

"PsychicPebbles scrubbed all proof he has connections to shad." No he didnt, you just arent looking in the right spots kzbin.info/www/bejne/omHUhnWanp2td9ksi=BrB6WNw_YC2rikod 3:40 seconds in oney tells a story about their "shy lovable friend shad." The whole talking talking about the guy with the "smol bean" connotation you would see in that era of the internet.

[@sexygolfball69]

Take it EZ babe!