Reacting to Joaquin Buckley Confronting Ariel Helwani | WEIGHING IN

Big John McCarthy and Josh "The Punk" Thomson react to Joaquin Buckley's comments to Ariel Helwani on how he feels Ariel sets fighters up to catch trouble from the UFC. Clip from WEIGHING IN #459
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[@jaymallo7859]

Ariel 100% does snake like things and does it behind the smile of a victim.. and plays confused when confronted

[@bophadeeznutz]

I’m surprised people expect anything different from a Jew.

[@sleepercell1679]

​@@bophadeeznutzthey don't

[@jaseallenson316]

He 1000% tries to get them to shit on certain things anf expose shit that makes dana look bad.

[@dannyburns9850]

That's when Diaz should slap him.🤣 Ariel's world success and beef with Dana is nerdy. In fairness he is trying to show the UFC are immoral scumbags to the fighters . But sometimes he royally messes up because UFC is an exploitive monopoly and the fighters get tricked.....in speaking the truth on their bosses. This is never good for the fighter. To claim absolute free speech is propaganda.IMO.

[@Mr-E.]

At 1:00 Ariel commits a logical fallacy when he says, "I have been doing this show since 2009, you think I am trying to make the fighters look bad? 15 years I have been doing this show". Buckley didn't say that Ariel is trying to make the fighters look bad. He is saying that Ariel USES the fighters as a weapon to attack the UFC, and he doesn't necessarily care if the fighters look bad as a result. Totally different meanings and a complete logical fallacy... this example should be used in a college logic class. He does do that, and I have heard him many times try to get them to say things that could get them in trouble.

[@RealMattKiefer]

Nailed it!

[@JonathanGonzalez-jz4td]

100% right

[@indigenouswarrior_1878]

BINGO!

[@Eric-vr8mc]

It's not a logical fallacy. Aced those classes. The set of variables (the predicate) to test is weaponizing fighters, making them look bad. He says, I'm not trying to weaponize them, make them look bad. He's bringing up important issues, and fighting the good fight. That will always be contentious, have grift. Since the fighters in the sport and on his show for 15 years, are his bread and butter, it's general proof it's in his interest. He wouldn't shoot himself in the foot. Grift for standing up for yourself, the fighters, is the nature of it. The only alternative is no fight, letting them walk all over you. No logical fallacy in his set, and proof.

[@Eric-vr8mc]

If you want it put into logic arguments, like you would for school, here: 1. Fighters (subject), weaponizing look bad (predicate) 2. Fighters (subject), fight for interest caring about (predicate) So 2 is the actual case, contradicts 1. (You can also say, instance of 2, vs instance of 1.) Other proof: Fighters in the sport and on my show (subject), are my bread and butter (predicate). It is the sport and his show, pretty obvious instance. He's maintained the show 15 years, so it continues to be true. If he weaponized, didn't care, then he wouldn't continue having people on his show. Lack of proof against. It still, mostly comes down to that fighting for interest is going to create some contention or grift.

[@WhosJusToi]

I completely agree with Joaquin. Damn thought y’all would see through that snake

[@richw76]

I agree. If you're unsophisticated with media, Ariel will definitely put you in a bad spot with your promoter. 100%.

[@monotech20.14]

Well you would think Buckley had the actual FACTS and examples to back up his talking points before he said it on the biggest MMA show.

[@ImpalaSS08]

They do call him the Snake. 😂😂

[@monotech20.14]

Well you would think Buckley had the actual FACTS and examples to back up his talking points before he said it on the biggest MMA show.

[@gatorman2322]

Check out the mma guru he has all the receipts he's a snake with a vendetta against Dana ​@@monotech20.14

[@DefNotAdog]

@monotech20.14 That would have been better. I think his anger may have been forefront in his mind tho & just said fk it, or didn't want to bring anyone's name into it. He may have not been able to say that correctly.

[@ryandoyle4344]

MMA Guru has the receipts Ariel is his own worst enemy

[@FightSportTalk]

A lot of people have receipts. There are examples from over 10 years ago.

[@patrickcolin7073]

Receipts to McDonald's

[@jeepz669]

But no smoke for Ali or Dana? Hmmm, That's funny imo..

[@TheWatcher60401]

I'm surprised there has been no reaction to the chris weidman fingerbangin Bruno Silvas eyeball.

[@zzzzbumm4608]

Watch the whole episode they talk about it for 10-15 min

[@TheWatcher60401]

​@@zzzzbumm4608 will do!

[@zzzzbumm4608]

Sorry the episode before this

[@will_sfv]

they went ez on him, josh at least went in a lil

[@TheWatcher60401]

@@will_sfv they 💯 percent did.

[@tchambers807]

There is a feeling of Ariel making fun of fighters that are already in an awkward spot with the promotor that looks like exploiting their powerlessness for the sake of making his point. Being questioned into a corner to where you need to give a non-answer from someone who's not a decision maker just lacks a bit of consideration and decency.

[@monotech20.14]

Well you would think Buckley had the actual FACTS and examples to back up his talking points before he said it on the biggest MMA show.

[@monotech20.14]

Strange how Ariel is the bad guy for calling out the UFC and Dana and not Dana White and the company for screwing for the fighters.

[@Khedran]

Ariels done this show for 15 years guys. But lets give the man his due credit, hes been an antagonizer, pot stirrer, and mischief maker since he started mma journalism. Tons of fighters hate him be cause of his rudeness and purposeful phrasing of questions to create beef among other fighters in addition to the UFC. Hes mad at the UFC enough to look for every opportunity to put them down. However, also to his credit, if you disagree with his question and give a mindful response, he will not dismiss it and he will delve deeper. He is just very biased and likes to agitate everyone. Some love him, some hate him, Ariel is not for everyone.

[@mikejohnson7768]

Right on

[@Mojo_Jo_Jo_]

He’s a little weasel

[@ipleedafif8033]

If he was to throw softball questions all the time, then he wouldn't be considered independent. He'd be company men like DC and Rogan.

[@monotech20.14]

Strange how Ariel is the bad guy for calling out the UFC and Dana and not Dana White and the company for screwing for the fighters.

[@monotech20.14]

you would think Buckley had the actual FACTS and examples to back up his talking points before he said it on the biggest MMA show.

[@NK-wy8wp]

Ariel is a worm.

[@32hernandez93]

You are right Josh about Ariel.

[@tito5428]

Ariel is anti-Dana like Skip is anti-lebron. Shoe horns it in

[@AqueousMantra]

Asking for examples in an argument the way Ariel does is pretty slimey. It's a tactic

[@FightSportTalk]

Even if people did bring up examples he would still cry his way out of it. There are examples from over 10 years ago.

[@jess33]

Used to watch his show religiously, the full 3 plus hours every week, but it has changed from a show that seemed to be for the fighters and mma fans to being all about him and his ego, and it has become unwatchable for me.

[@lowlowseesee]

Sammmmmme

[@Mojo_Jo_Jo_]

He’s like constantly crying and whining about the ufc and he 100% does try to set fighters up with trap questions. In that mma hour he goes “I love you brought this up” then complains about it for the rest of the episode

[@jamesstack965]

WATCH HIM LEAN BACK IN SHOCK AS TO SAAAAY....I'VE BEEN DISCOVERED 😂

[@adamroysdon9858]

Ur wrong buckleys right 100 percent

[@michaelbenefield5644]

I’m so glad you guys are close I love the realistic opinion you have because you both know the business from different angles

[@cheeseburgereddie1929]

Love the channel but come on guys. You guys start by saying you disagree with Buckley and then break down how correct he was. Lol

[@henrynwosu1]

Buckley was right and I am happy people are beginning to see through Ariel's BS

[@jacoblesperance2115]

A journalist job is to challenge power. Im not a Helwani fan, but MMA journalism is 98% company propaganda. He's one of the few that calls out the bullshit.

[@didgya]

Too true. The worst thing he does is ask questions to fighters he knows will piss off the UFC.

[@mr.brenman2132]

And Ariel helwani is Vox media propaganda and we know what they represent. They don't challenge power. He's here to undermine the "problematic" sport we all love.

[@mr.brenman2132]

And Ariel helwani is Vox media agitprop and we know what they represent. They don't challenge power. He's here to undermine the "problematic" sport we all love.

[@mr.brenman2132]

​@@didgyaYeah right. Is that how you view CNN?

[@didgya]

@@mr.brenman2132 politics says what...?

[@FightSportTalk]

Fighters have been calling Helwani a drama queen, instigator and a backstabber for over 10 years. Whenever he gets confronted he never takes responsibility and always complains and plays victim. I’m amazed people deny this when there are clips on him doing it from so long ago.

[@havenwinter6063]

Making the fighters look bad he meant to the UFC and Dana. Not the fans At least that's my opinion.

[@user-cc2tu9gm6e]

It ain't about walkout. Ariel IS an instigator

[@bbyjohn11]

Y’all still got a podcast?

[@dennis_r3]

Ariel is not a puppet the fighter doesn’t have to go on his show.

[@grearup7224]

People need to grow up. If you don't like the question, don't answer

[@mikefay4323]

Josh knows better than anyone. If Dana is gonna take care of you with extra cash, you don't want everyone to know your financial business. Every goof that went to see you fight in the little elementary school gym before the UFC, thinks you should share the new wealth.

[@joerenner8334]

That's because the UFC doesn't share shit. They are way too f'en cheap.

[@indigenouswarrior_1878]

You mean like Izzy agreeing to support the UFC's "new-blood" agenda, and DIVING for Strickland. Thus earning him over a $3-mil payday for losing to a #6 contender?

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

Plus if u say it too loud the IRS might ask for it's cut.

[@seanwallace89]

Ariel Helwani is a snake in the grass. Meaning he is evasive, clever, and manipulative in his actions. He relies on using "semantics" for lack of a better word, to weasel in and out of controversial or questionable circumstances that he often motivated or influenced, and then often portrays himself as a victim or champion of a situation dependent upon which benefits himself more. I havnt decides whether I find his career and demeanor impressive or just bold yet, but I do know that I don't much respect it either way. In fact, I resent it and him more and more.

[@JonathanGonzalez-jz4td]

Buckley didn’t say Ariel tries to make fighters look bad , he said he tried to use fighters as a weapon to make the UFC look bad which he 100% does because he 100% is against Dana and the UFC

[@walterkaiyuenpang3556]

.... OMFG 🤦🤦🤦

[@314Aurelius]

Ariel makes a lot of money off of fighters coming onto his show. And he gives them 0% of the profit from their appearance.

[@monotech20.14]

Strange how Ariel is the bad guy for calling out the UFC and Dana and not Dana White and the company for screwing for the fighters.

[@RyanPortland420]

Honestly I hadn't really gotten into you guys like I have Chael P. But you've won me over for sure.

[@REALMicah666]

Ariel:🥸🥸🥸🥸 my matza ballzzzz

[@syntholshoulders1842]

Ariel is UNPROFESSIONAL

[@gilbertoflores7397]

Pretty sure the best examples of what a weasle Ariel can be are what he did to Dricus Du Plessis; and trying to apply US race relations to the DDP/Izzy nonsense, as Izzy is Kiwi and African, trying to call DDP the N word (US term) and saying nothing. Ariel wanted to make DDP out to be racist and gross, when it was only Izzy being incredibly racist and unprofessional. Then there was the Jamal Hill mess: Ariel wanted Jamal to condemn and ask for the firing of Dana white when he smacked his wife. Jamal said, no one should put their hands on anyone and that it was a messy situation for eveyone. So Ariel was trying to spin it like Jamal supports hitting women.

[@patrickcolin7073]

Jamahal only supports hitting his family

[@maxkey198]

This made me a fan of Buckley

[@FerrisBueller-lj9zj]

One day fighters will thank him

[@treyhill8230]

No they won't lol. He is only looking out for himself and his own personal interests.

[@monotech20.14]

Well you would think Buckley had the actual FACTS and examples to back up his talking points before he said it on the biggest MMA show.

[@lukasbelinski1268]

lets just not talk or ask anything about the ufc and dana things will never change ariel and others have to talk about things

[@AnTTr0n]

Ariel is there to ask questions if you think these questions are hard go look at some other sports. He is not there to make the fighters excited to be interviewed he is there to get the truth and ask the questions the viewers want to know.

[@daltonmoore233]

Thank you lol. They act like Dana is just above reproach … the media runs wilddddd in all other sports & it also helps grow those sports … and why they get covered on ESPN daily

[@len3169]

He’s a total clown instigator everyone nose this ….

[@rithrean]

Ariel is kind of like Chael where they interview fighters and ask PERSONAL QUESTIONS that conflicts with other people in the organization, then goes to the third party to get more info to create a story for their platform that fits a narrative for a GOSSIP COLUMN. Most times this problem has nothing to do about fighting. They both are INSTIGATORS but act like nothing is wrong on their part when they go out of their way to create conflict between two people just to stir the pot to create drama. Don't get me wrong they are both well spoken and very intellectual in doing their job, and I enjoy listening to them both at times, but yeah they both like to poke at the bear. lol

[@MrBradclack]

I use to be a huge fan of Ariel but his show has become a little to click bait .he puts fighters in awkward positions. Example Kayla defies her management by coming on his show then Ariel takes digs at her manager

[@bradleyhalfacre7992]

Ariel has his agendas and controversy is good for his show.

[@joerenner8334]

One huge problem is that Ariel is WAY smarter than most of the fighters he interviews. One fighter takes it a certain way and talks to other fighters. Soon a bunch of the dumb ones are biased.

[@indigenouswarrior_1878]

Hmm, you discredit fighter's intelligence, but in reality, it's the boss Dana that hates Ariel the most. Therefore, are you calling Dana dumb?

[@caydee2601]

Ariel the rat

[@DutchDangle]

Ariel can never get enough comeuppance for being the snake he is!

[@horseph2k]

Ariel is the GOAT

[@lukasbelinski1268]

ariel is right and he should keep it up the ufc are ripping off fighters and bribing them to sihn bad contracts.....How the is things going to change if nobody talkes about it ariel is for the fighters

[@TufuDeDrake]

Let me make it clear about Ariel. He exploits the ifc athlete to get scoops in a good way. See him interviewing other organisations athletes.

[@coomodus2592]

Ariel is a jock sniffer for certain athletes and criticizing others. He has no consistency and fanboys out too much opposed to conducting himself as a real journalist despite being qualified to do so.

[@schultzywill3002]

Josh thomson contradicts himself the whole show.

[@donnieb602]

Ariel’s latest stunt is to sabotage and slander a Pro Wrestling company AEW and kiss WWE’s ass in an attempt to be apart of WWE dudes a legit Clown

[@struBANG]

Usually people who are happy having a conversation, don’t have to say “I’m happy we’re having this conversation” 😂😂😂😂

[@seand.3085]

I know you two have your own gripes with the UFC too, but quit capping and coping. Your answers sound like they came from Ariel himself. He's sneaky and he purposefully tries to ask pointed questions to pit fighters against the UFC. Additionally, he bad mouths them behind their backs. Watch the following interview of Ariel after Buckley where he starts immediately bad mouthing Buckley to Nate Landweihr. 🤣 Call Ariel out for being a rat about it, he should openly accept that he does this and just own it. He'd get far more respect.

[@user-cc2tu9gm6e]

Watch Guru vid on subject.

[@AbrahamPeters-qg6rf]

Every sence he got booted from UFC events, hes been antiIUFC really.

[@walterkaiyuenpang3556]

🤦🤦🤦

[@johancruijff335]

and I compliment you guys, you are not lickers and you do not fool people. That's why I'm a fan of your Channel🦾

[@nSpiraliArchitectb]

Ariel is a snake and not even very clever or subtle with it. Nick Diaz: "Where I come from, you know, people like that get slapped." Says it all.

[@mikeyraw4207]

He gives lip service to whomever is around so he dont get punched in his mouth...snake in the grass....

[@dogstar5927]

Heelwani hates Dana, and the feeling is mutual. Apart from that fact, he's a thorough professional and maybe the best to ever do it. He's also got a huge, well-deserved platform in the MMA space. Fighters need to accept these three facts before they decide to be interviewed by him.

[@southside1975]

Ariel is a bad guy snake in the grass.

[@Hoosierdaddyjones812]

He is a wessle

[@dannyburns9850]

I am an Ariel fanboy(Montreal) and even I am tired of his Dana shit. Just saying DANA and not the UFC shows it is personal.It is redundant nerd jabs at Dana ,living rent free in Ariel's head. He is such a nerd. Many of his co workers are nerds ,Heck and watch party partner make me cringe they are such nerds.IMO. Put Ariel in that watch party and call it The Office. And you just have to have one guy from the fighting WORLD. Anybody. Good thing they got surfer dude Jeb ,N.Y.. Rick and Casey for some coolness. Casey fights. Otherwise I would be out. I'm cool with Ariel being a nerd but too much nerdiness without the credentials gets boring. IMO. For the first time in 20 years I skip some MMA Hour episodes or Ariel's stuff in general. He gotta let go of that Dana bone it's effecting his work. IMO.🥊👊✌️

[@jemmysmith8661]

he's a business man..profot ovee everything that's how it works

[@jemmysmith8661]

an ariel fanboy??? why?

[@dannyburns9850]

@@jemmysmith8661 Cause he is from Montreal ,has cred and been watching him I think since he was in his mom's basement. He had a dream, worked hard and succeeded. He is just a square who reps Quebec fighters on a world stage ,giving them publicity and air time . Got nothing against nerds I just don't find them entertaining enough to listen to in a group talking fighting. I'm sure there good at their job title. Producer ,logistics ,writers whatever. I wish them well. Can only watch so many MMA podcasts until they become numbly repetitive,so I can be choosy. At least not a slave of the ESPN/UFC biased podcasts. IMO bro.

[@dannyburns9850]

@@jemmysmith8661 Bro , unfortunately that is the way of the world. Money is all. It's not just those who brought shylocks into the world. It's EVERYBODY! Them Jehovah witnesses weren't so crazy about the end of the world ,just bad wrong about when. I can't believe he has super chats and you got to pay to comment so they can control the conversation. It's the fighting world of course fans are gonna say wild shit.✌️

[@lamarsampolia2852]

Ariel has helped us know many fighters. Give the man his flowers guys. He is one of the best who still asks real questions.

[@RicoMusap-te3om]

Ariel in his early days resorted to scumbagism to further his career now that he's established he has a better heart 😮

[@joshuarittenhouse4938]

So Buckley is definitely off his rocker.

[@mikeyraw4207]

Spot on.....Ariel is garbage...just because he has time in.....weasel...

[@JgidHQ]

You guys always have the worst takes 😂

[@xax2952]

the ufc kicked him out 109 times but it is never helwanis fault

[@ignaciofigueroa530]

Josh, u should check out Gangsters Paradise Yellow belly drag strip in Dallas. You'd love it crazy April 12-14 2024

[@Juxtoposethevision]

Like him or not and whether Ariel is doing right or wrong, his personality and show have always sucked. I may be wrong, but doubt it.

[@grearup7224]

People need to grow up. If you don't like the question, don't answer