Reacting to THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS (2002) | Movie Reaction (2/2)

[@DawnMarieX]

🌟 Hey everyone! I appreciate all the love and support you've shown me over the years 🥰 Many of you have asked how you can help with my dream of having a small farm/ranch with the goal of helping animals in need. I'm excited to share that I've set up a GoFundMe to help make my dream a reality hopefully a wee bit sooner. If you'd like to contribute, please check out the link below-every little bit helps! Thank you for being part of this journey! 🙏❤ gofund.me/70c815cb

[@custardflan]

My favorite Faramir quote from the book: “War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”

[@TrekBeatTK]

In the film, this quote js in runes on Boromir’s sword

[@robertbretschneider765]

@@TrekBeatTK Wow, thats big.

[@zumzoom6368]

"Remember today, little brother..." That line always gets me in the feels

[@OriginalPuro]

Remember today, little brother.*

[@markwarner5554]

The tower with the eye is called Barad Dur. It's Sauron's stronghold in Mordor. They make it seem like Sauron *is* the big eye, but he is not. He's a dude (not a man or an elf, exactly, but something else), walking around in the flesh in Barad Dur, but you never see him and he doesn't really do anything to the heroes directly. He's essentially a faceless menace, manipulating everything from afar.

[@dachannien]

You didn't exactly ask a question about it, but it seemed like you were wondering, so here goes: Aragorn reveals that he is 87, and Eowyn realizes that he is one of the Dunedain, blessed with long life. That's not a mere oddity in Middle Earth, but indicates part of his heritage. In the first movie, he's singing the Lay of Luthien, which isn't just a pretty song about a woman who died, but holds meaning to Aragorn, as it is about two of his very distant ancestors. (Some liberty is taken by Peter Jackson about the name of the song.) Luthien was a woman of surpassing beauty who lived thousands of years before Aragorn. Her father was an elf named Thingol and her mother was a Maia named Melian, essentially an angel of sorts. (As it turns out, Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, and the balrog are all different kinds of Maiar as well.) Luthien eventually met Beren, a man, and they fell deeply in love. When Beren approached Thingol for Luthien's hand in marriage, Thingol agreed only if Beren could perform an impossible task. (This gets deeply into Tolkien lore, so I'm skipping a bit.) Anyway, Beren eventually succeeds but is mortally wounded, and he dies. Luthien soon after dies of her grief as well. When their spirits pass into the West, she sings a song so beautiful to the Valar named Mandos, an archangel who is the keeper of the dead, that Mandos agrees to resurrect Beren and send him and Luthien back to Middle Earth, but Luthien would have to give up her immortality. So she and Beren do eventually die again, this time of old age. But first, Beren and Luthien have a son named Dior, who is half-elven (with a dash of Maia in there from Luthien's mom), who marries an elf and has a daughter named Elwing, who marries a man and has two sons, Elros and Elrond! The half-elven can choose to embrace either the immortality of their elven heritage, but eventually fade into the west, or the mortality of their human heritage. Elrond, of course, embraces his elven side (through another lineage, Elrond is also Galadriel's son-in-law). But Elros embraces his human side, and becomes the first king of the Numenoreans (featured in the new Rings of Power streaming series). Through long lineage, his offspring are the Dunedain, Aragorn being one of the last of them, and though all are still mortal, they have long life and great power due to their elven and Maia heritage.

[@stormwreath]

One thing I did like about Aragorn's brief comment about Lúthien, "She died", is that to the elves that's a _happy ending_. As Tolkien saw it, humans are mortal, and we have legends about becoming immortal and living forever. His elves are immortal -- even if you destroy an elf's body, they are reborn some time later -- and while humans envy them for that, the elves equally envy humans for their mortality. So elves tell legends about ancient elven heroes who managed to become mortal, actually find a way to die, and finally found eternal rest.

[@johnhammonds5143]

In the films, Peter Jackson's creative team made the Wargs (or, wolves of Isengard) to resemble hyenas. In the books, they're wolves. Gandalf addresses one as "hound of Sauron". In the Silmarillion, Sauron was known as "lord of werewolves". He took wolves, and imprisoned evil spirits in them. They understood speech, and were capable of independent action. The Orcs and Wargs were allied, and often worked together, with Orcs riding them into battle.

[@scalefree]

Viggo grew quite fond of the horse, Brego. after filming was over he bought it from Jackson, took it home & kept it for several years until its death. and there's a story that one of the riding stuntwomen also fell for her horse but couldn't afford the price - so Viggo bought it for her.

[@dennisswainston411]

The other horse was Arwen's, Viggo gave it to the stuntwomen.

[@phj223]

The stuntwoman story was so cute, I think I heard it in the dvd extras.

[@feldegast]

@@phj223 yup it's mentioned th the extra DVDs 😀

[@o0pinkdino0o]

Viggo is just a down-right decent bloke.

[@striderhiryu2]

awesome

[@jhibbitt2896]

i still remember the year long wait between this and return of the king and it was driving me nuts. especially as i didn't see it in the cinema and had to wait until the DVD was released. my mum agreed to buy it on the exact day of its release and i remember desperately waiting for school to end so i could finally come home and see return of the king

[@faafio]

The trees were used to fuel the forges to make the swords & armor for the orc army. Tolkien didn't like industrialization, and Saruman's tearing down the trees was an example of that. If you remember when Gandalf first visited Saruman (for his counsel) Isengard was a beautiful place.Then Saruman destroyed all that beauty (of growing things) to build his army, to conquer & rule.

[@striderhiryu2]

Indeed,he was a devoted catholic,a pacifista and an ecologyst.

[@johntumahab323]

It's not covered in the movies, but Treebeard got Isengard replanted and regrown in no time.

[@robbob5302]

Tolkien was Green, long before Green was vogue.

[@mshat18]

And yet modern Greens would hate him today because he was also a conservative Catholic. He would despise what immigration and globalization has done to England.

[@johnwalters1341]

Several of your questions will be answered first thing at the beginning of ROTK! People over the years have argued over which of several towers the title of the movie refers to.The movies split up the action a little differently than the books. In his introduction, Tolkien identifies them as Orthanc, Saruman's tower in Isengard, and Minas Morgul, Sauron's fortress on the western border of Mordor. We saw a quick view of Minas Morgul in FOTR, as the Black Riders came galloping out on their hunt for Frodo. But the action involving Minas Morgul is moved in the movies from T2T to ROTK. In the movie version, the Two Towers are Isengard and the Barad-dur, Sauron's great fortress in Mordor. "Don't tell the Elf!" My favorite line from the movie.

[@Steve_Stowers]

Yes, and as I interpret it, the significance of the "two towers" is not the towers themselves, but that they represent the two main antagonists, Sauron and Saruman.

[@outspokenguy3834]

Well, the names of the filmed and books are not really as thought out as Tolkien wanted. It was just a quickie because the editor and publisher needed names for 3 books asap. Don't remember which letter I read it in sadly.

[@jasonmcewen436]

When Galadrial says 'It was a risk we all took', she was referring to the fact that they all received rings of power, and they were aware of the possibility of corruption and destruction through the One Ring. As for the books, if you want the full story, there's always audio books... Great reaction, once again! Cheers!

[@Steve_Stowers]

There are also videos on KZbin explaining the lore and background of Middle Earth.

[@Big_Tex]

Not sure if it’s mentioned in the Extended Edition maybe but Treebeard’s proper name is Fangorn, which is also the name of the forest. In other words he’s so old the Forest was named after him in ancient times - though the men of Rohan are probably unaware of where the name Fangorn comes from. You can bet Tolkien as a professor of historical linguistics and word-etymology really got his rocks off on that sort of thing.

[@Ajonr]

Boromir's and Faramir's father, Denethor had more going on than they show in the movie. Like Saruman he had a Palantir (the seeing stone), and like Saruman, Sauron was easily able to play on Denethor's fears and corrupt him.

[@waynemarvin5661]

Absolutely! Every reactor I have seen condemns Denathor and sees him as evil. But they don't understand that he's fallen under the influence of Sauron, through the Palantir.

[@Ant82ish]

@@waynemarvin5661 They don't understand it because the movie doesn't explain it. ;) I actually like some characters in the movies better than in the books but I think in Denethor's case they did a pretty poor job because they just made him pure evil without any of the complexity which the character had in the books.

[@derdork3233]

He is still not a good dad though.

[@Carandini]

Sauron didn't corrupt Denethor. Denethor's will was too strong to twist the way Saruman was corrupted. What Sauron was able to do was drive Denethor insane by perverting the visions in the palantir so the only things the Steward would see were from the worst possible angle - most famously by showing him the Black Fleet sailing to join the Siege of Minas Tirith but NOT showing Denethor that at the time the corsairs weren't in control of the ships, Aragorn and the Grey Company were. The visions Denethor drew from the palantir for decade after decade were curated to make him into a depressed paranoid.

[@tw7998]

@@waynemarvin5661 he was stronger than saruman, while it filled him with despair he did not turn to the shadow

[@fnglert]

"It's no fair that they keep ending it when I don't want it to~" So, good news about the next movie ....

[@zamdrist]

Time and again people are wary of the movie's run length in time, and then get so engrossed into it, they are offended it ends sooner than they would like! Love it! You're hooked! 🥰😍🤩

[@marynatimmylucyelsaleonie1031]

This was exactly how i felt at the end of the fellowship when i saw it in the theatre! Offended 😅

[@dustinpowers5790]

Just so you know the horse that got to Aragorn was the horse that he released said that he had seen too much War

[@LordVolkov]

And I believe that is the horse Viggo adopted after the movies.

[@DawnMarieX]

I did wonder this!

[@stanmann356]

True, but they messed it up by leaving the lead and bridle on him. It would be a death sentence for a horse to release him in the wild while dragging a rope that can get snagged up.

[@kwanwallacephotography5145]

@@DawnMarieX ​ ❤❤🎉🎉 PLEASE REACT TO BAD BOYS (Martin Lawrence ) MONEY TALKS (Chris Tucker), BLUE STREAK (Martin Lawrence) LIFE (EDDIE MURPHY) NOTHING TO LOSE (TIM ROBBINS) THE EQUALIZER ,DEJAVU, FALLEN (ALL DENZEL WASHINGTON )

[@Elerad]

Finding an actor like David Wenham, who is both a quality actor and looks astoundingly like Sean Bean, really was quite a triumph for the casting department. You might have been wondering why Faramir and his men were going to shoot Gollum for entering the forbidden pool. This isn't just some arbitrary rule they made up so they could kill Gollum. It's explained in some detail in the book that the area where they're holding Frodo and Sam is a hidden base of operations used by those in Gondor's army who are tracking and fighting orcs and other enemies in the area. It needs to be kept secret in order for it to be effective, and so they can't risk anyone finding it and reporting on it to the enemy. In the book, Sam and Frodo are blindfolded when taken there so that they can't find their way back. Also, in the book, Faramir never takes them to Osgiliath (which is why it's kind of funny when Sam says, "By rights we shouldn't even be here."). He slowly gets the story out of Frodo and Sam, and decides to help, feed, and supply them, and then send them on their way as he doesn't want anything to do with the ring. As for why they were ripping down the trees, it was for materials. They needed to create, arm, feed, and house an army of more than 10k giant killing machines. He converted an area that was a beautiful, forested area, into a monument to fire and industry.

[@Hiraghm]

I still say that Faramir looks like he could be Danny Kay's son.

[@samswords9993]

Thank you for saying all that. Faramir is one of my favorite characters, and I still feel that the writers committed defamation of him in this movie.

[@Elerad]

@@Hiraghm Hah! I can see that!

[@rikk319]

@@samswords9993 They changed him out of necessity. A narrative in prose form has the leisure of readers taking their time, often weeks, to read it. A film has 2-3 hours most of the time to pack the same amount of character development and drama into it, so short cuts have to be made. It's no different than when someone translates a historical event into a song--you can't put in all the events, or emotions, so you have to pick and choose. Book Faramir is wise, safe, honorable--and has absolutely no character development. Movie Faramir has an arc, he struggles and then rises above his weaknesses. This is a necessity when translating from one medium to another.

[@DamonNomad82]

In the books, Faramir was Tolkien's self-insert into the story. His desire for Gondor mirrored Tolkien's own desire for Britain. "“For myself,” said Faramir, “I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair, beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves, nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves. War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Númenor; and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom.”

[@drewbear1969]

These have been some of my favorite LotR reactions, I am SO excited for the finale! 11:21 by the way, the dwarves didn't show up at Helm's Deep (or anywhere) because they were already busy fighting off the forces of Sauron up north. I wish a simple line or two had been included somewhere to convey that, such as a mention between Glion and his son Gimli at Rivendell. Didn't need to be anything complicated.

[@cindycrewsbeach72]

I’m pretty sure that this was the first movie series seen in movie theaters where the movies were already known to be 3 separate films. So for fans it was expected, but for casual viewers it was a shock that there wasn’t a conclusion at the end of each movie. Yes there were other films with sequels or prequels, but this was already known to be released over 3 years, but picked up exactly where they left off as if no time had passed. Amazing storytelling. Just brilliant in hindsight.

[@robbob5302]

Jackson originally pitched the idea as two movies. He was amazed when New Line said they would do three.

[@littleredhood8376]

Saruman did cut the trees down to fire his furnaces and machines in order to make weapons and armour. He knew Threebeard and Ents in general ages ago, but he had not bothered to think about them for quite a while, he probably thought them extinct or vanished. That's why he never made any plans concerning the Ents and their reaction to him cutting down trees of the fangorn forest. In the book, the Ents do decide to go for Saruman on their own, not like in the movie. Merry and Pippin meeting Threebeard is just the last drop that overflows the barrel so to speak.

[@jimjohnson5739]

Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings as one really long book. It was his publisher that split it into a trilogy, and they also gave the individual books their titles. Tolkien had some of the same questions and concerns about the title "The Two Towers" that you did. In the end, I guess it was just a memorable title.

[@DevlinDomini]

Hi, Dawn. Enjoyed this. Your infectious laughter inspired me to rewatch your last few Fawlty Tower videos next. You make me laugh so much. It’s hard to be seasonably depressed if I’m laughing and giggling. btw … you already figured out more about those actual two towers than I had at first (and I read the books) Cheers!

[@alberthall1456]

I promise that when you watch to the end you will be emotionally drained, and crying. I consider the books to be different from movies. I read the books decades before this movie was made, so I had a mental picture of all the characters and scenery. Some matched, some didn't. I know some Tolkien nurds had some problems with the movies, but I think Peter Jackson did an incredible job. Both his interpretation of the physical, and the lessons to be learned.

[@custardflan]

Sam''s speech, from the book: "I don’t like anything here at all,’ said Frodo, ‘step or stone, breath or bone. Earth, air and water all seem accursed. But so our path is laid.’ ‘Yes, that’s so,’ said Sam. ‘And we shouldn’t be here at all, if we’d known more about it before we started. But I suppose it’s often that way. The brave things in the old tales and songs, Mr. Frodo: adventures, as I used to call them. I used to think that they were things the wonderful folk of the stories went out and looked for, because they wanted them, because they were exciting and life was a bit dull, a kind of a sport, as you might say. But that’s not the way of it with the tales that really mattered, or the ones that stay in the mind. Folk seem to have been just landed in them, usually - their paths were laid that way, as you put it. But I expect they had lots of chances, like us, of turning back, only they didn’t. And if they had, we shouldn’t know, because they’d have been forgotten. We hear about those as just went on - and not all to a good end, mind you; at least not to what folk inside a story and not outside it call a good end. You know, coming home, and finding things all right, though not quite the same - like old Mr. Bilbo. But those aren’t always the best tales to hear, though they may be the best tales to get landed in! I wonder what sort of a tale we’ve fallen into?’ ‘I wonder,’ said Frodo. ‘But I don’t know. And that’s the way of a real tale. Take any one that you’re fond of. You may know, or guess, what kind of a tale it is, happy-ending or sad-ending, but the people in it don’t know. And you don’t want them to.’ ‘No, sir, of course not. Beren now, he never thought he was going to get that Silmaril from the Iron Crown in Thangorodrim, and yet he did, and that was a worse place and a blacker danger than ours. But that’s a long tale, of course, and goes on past the happiness and into grief and beyond it - and the Silmaril went on and came to Eärendil. And why, sir, I never thought of that before! We’ve got - you’ve got some of the light of it in that star-glass that the Lady gave you! Why, to think of it, we’re in the same tale still! It’s going on. Don’t the great tales never end?’ ‘No, they never end as tales,’ said Frodo. ‘But the people in them come, and go when their part’s ended. Our part will end later - or sooner.’ ‘And then we can have some rest and some sleep,’ said Sam. He laughed grimly. ‘And I mean just that, Mr. Frodo. I mean plain ordinary rest, and sleep, and waking up to a morning’s work in the garden. I’m afraid that’s all I’m hoping for all the time. All the big important plans are not for my sort. Still, I wonder if we shall ever be put into songs or tales. We’re in one, of course; but I mean: put into words, you know, told by the fireside, or read out of a great big book with red and black letters, years and years afterwards. And people will say: “Let’s hear about Frodo and the Ring!” And they’ll say: “Yes, that’s one of my favourite stories. Frodo was very brave, wasn’t he, dad?” “Yes, my boy, the famousest of the hobbits, and that’s saying a lot.”’ ‘It’s saying a lot too much,’ said Frodo, and he laughed, a long clear laugh from his heart. Such a sound had not been heard in those places since Sauron came to Middle-earth. To Sam suddenly it seemed as if all the stones were listening and the tall rocks leaning over them. But Frodo did not heed them; he laughed again. ‘Why, Sam,’ he said, ‘to hear you somehow makes me as merry as if the story was already written. But you’ve left out one of the chief characters: Samwise the stouthearted. “I want to hear more about Sam, dad. Why didn’t they put in more of his talk, dad? That’s what I like, it makes me laugh. And Frodo wouldn’t have got far without Sam, would he, dad?”’ ‘Now, Mr. Frodo,’ said Sam, ‘you shouldn’t make fun. I was serious.’ ‘So was I,’ said Frodo, ‘and so I am. We’re going on a bit too fast. You and I, Sam, are still stuck in the worst places of the story, and it is all too likely that some will say at this point: “Shut the book now, dad; we don’t want to read any more.”’ ‘Maybe,’ said Sam, ‘but I wouldn’t be one to say that.

[@MrMpa31]

Great reactions to this series. I dont think we've ever seen you this invested. Obvious you are enjoying it. Also loving the questions, just hope no one is spoiling.

[@Karthos1000]

I really enjoy your reactions. I just wish we could've had the Faramir in the books. I would have liked to see your reaction to a man who (paraphrasing "would not take the weapon of the enemy if he found it by the side of the road." In the books, he has Frodo and Sam in his power, knows they have the ring, and he lets them go. Doesn't take them almost all the way back to Gondor before changing his mind and all. Faramir proves that even common humans (without the blood of Numenor) have nobility in their hearts. I wish we could have seen your reaction to THAT character.

[@CJR-wv8kc]

While I would have liked to see that faramir I do understand the need for the change, the sequence of frodo and Sam does not line up with the rest of the gang, so they needed to hold frodo up otherwise he would have nothing to do in the film or would be missing from most of it.

[@thomaspappalardo7589]

Faramir does have Numenorean blood.

[@Baehellet]

The horse that came to Aragorn wasn't the one he was separated from when he fell from the cliff, that was actually the horse that he set free in the first half of the reaction because it had, "seen too much of war." So, even more meaningful than what you originally thought. It found him and instantly knew, "HEY! Its that guy who understood me and set me free, I'd let him ride me."

[@robbob5302]

It was originally supposed to be that other horse. But it wouldn't kneel for Aragorn/Viggo. Brego was quite willing to kneel.

[@scalefree]

again you're right on the books, they give a fair amount more context to a lot of things. & then there's quite a few books of Tolkien's literary archives compiled & published after his death. I'm not joking, when you put them all together it takes an entire shelf to hold them. Tolkien wrote & rewrote stories of Middle Earth for 50 years until his death.

[@Makkaru112]

Yes!! Exactly! ❤️❤️❤️

[@ink-cow]

Whew, one ten hour movie! Imagine the bathroom rush at intermission. One famous animator named Ralph Bakshi made a theatrical animated Lord of the Rings a long time ago, but he was only able to film the first half, and he wasn't able to make the second. It was a very strange, uneven adaptation, but I believe Jackson did get some ideas from it. His first half ended with Gandalf and the horsemen riding to the rescue at Helm's Deep, and there was some brilliant animation of Gandalf charging along lopping orc heads clean off, flying into the air. In the theater, the audience would be cheering at this point, but then suddenly the film just stops (even more abruptly than the Holy Grail) and the narrator says "here ends the first part" and it just left everyone confused after that emotional high. Another animated film was made covering the last book of the trilogy by an animation studio known for making holiday TV specials (Rankin-Bass), and some people think this was meant to finish the other film, but it was just a coincidence. These producers just didn't think an audience would sit still for the whole trilogy, so their plan was to just cover the last part of the story so that it would play as one self-contained movie. It's pretty awful, except it has some interesting animation because it was farmed out to a Japanese studio with talented artists. Besides that, there was a Russian film version of Lord of the Rings, which you can actually find on KZbin. This version is an abomination upon this earth.

[@tarmaque]

Peter Jackson is a fan of Bakshi's version. I have mixed feelings about it, but some of it is great. Jackson actually puts a few Easter eggs in his films pointing directly back to the Bakshi version, such as the scene where the hobbits are hiding in the tree roots from a "black rider." Some friends of mine do a marathon watch of LotR extended editions every year in January. It takes roughly 12 hours, with a half hour break between each movie and fifteen minutes at the halfway point of each movie. Hence if you watched them all back to back with NO stops, it would be a little over 10 hours not counting credits. They do food and costumes and everything. I did it with them for the first ten years or so, but then kinda got bored with it. They still do it, but I haven't done it in a few years. Their house is full of LotR memorabilia.

[@davidanderson1639]

What….you don’t like weirdly psychedelic soviet adaptation (in the loosest of senses) that is Khraniteli?? 😂😂😂 its 115mins of my life that felt like I was on drugs….without drugs & I’ll never get that time back!!!

[@ink-cow]

@@tarmaque The scene in the inn where the black riders are tricked is melodrama straight out of Bakshi's version, too. In the book, we see Aragorn preparing the deception, Frodo is dimly aware of a commotion while he's asleep, and they all inspect the results the next morning. As great as Tolkien is, his books are not necessarily cinematic. They can be very dry, straightforward historical documents, so Bakshi and Jackson deserve a lot of credit for their staging ideas.

[@ink-cow]

@@davidanderson1639 Yes, the Soviet version is more LSD than LOTR. 😄

[@tarmaque]

@@ink-cow Absolutely agree. And you're right about that scene. In the book it's done "off-camera," with only the build up and the aftermath described.

[@PreRockDoc]

More comments from Dawn on Eowyn's creepy attachment to Aragorn: 2:41 She's so sad and she just met him. Was it love at first sight? 10:10 Is that you trying to tell him that you love him? She just met him. Strange lady. 21:10 No (Dawn wags finger at screen) Det, det, det, det, det. Very, very funny!

[@SophiesDriver]

RE: 22:53 Many of us saw The Fellowship of the Ring for the first time in December 2001, in movie theaters, then waited until December 2002 to see The Two Towers, and December 2003 to see The Return of the King. But yeah, it's not fair!🤣🤣🤣👍 I'm really enjoying your reactions. Big 👍👍. Way to go!

[@diipadaik]

Probably somebody already said this, but it was the sun blinding the orcs when Gandalf and the gang was riding down.

[@SeedFactoryProject]

At the end of the Helm's Deep battle: "The trees are alive, and they're getting hungry. They haven't been fed for a thousand years!" (Sound of Music).

[@Wayne-pu1wf]

Wow Dawn - you are asking the right questions and I love your connection to these movies. Very difficult to understand if you haven't read the books but you have done amazing to understand the characters and the motivations. Your laugh and accent is so infectious !!!. I am loving your reactions and can't wait to watch you with the final movie in the series. The reason there are 3 movies is because the books were in 3 parts so Peter Jackson made one movie for each of the 3 books. :)

[@krisfrederick5001]

My bassist showed me this for the first time, I was enthralled with the scene of Saruman speaking before his army and the battle that ensued. He said to me, "You haven't seen anything yet." Dawn I will say the same to you, you haven't seen anything yet.

[@anderstone3256]

Did you realize that Wormtongue actually sheds a tear in that scene.

[@krisfrederick5001]

@@anderstone3256 Um...yeah,

[@rikk319]

@@anderstone3256 That's because Grima is from Rohan, and was redeemable at that point. He loved Eowyn, and didn't want her to die.

[@robbob5302]

Grima was crying, ashamed he somehow managed to walk into Orthanc tower, without noticing the army surrounding it. That is not something most people overlook. 🤣

[@rbrtck]

Théoden looks like the captain of a sinking ship. I mean exactly, because the same actor played Captain Smith in _Titanic_ . 😄 He has that same "sinking" feeling expression in Helm's Deep.

[@stevehafke3614]

The lord of the rings was originally one book but the publisher split it into three books due to size. I believe the book titles were just the next chapter from the original, single volume book.

[@richmckinney7231]

the horse that helps Strider is the one he released from the stables.

[@jamesdee759]

I love the friendship growing between Legolas and Gimli. Their competition on who can kill the most Orc is funny and fun to watch. When it comes to Sam... everyone needs a friend like Sam.

[@scottdean2199]

In the books, there were no elves at Helm's Deep - it was the strength of Men that turned the tide. The men that came with Gandalf were in the Eastern part of Rohan when the group left King Theoden's halls to go to Helm's Deep (which is in the Western part of Rohan. In the movie it was Eomer, but in the books it was another captain (Eomer stayed with Theoden). Also, the light that was blinding the orcs wasn't from Gandalf, it was the sun rising behind him. Faramir was also far more noble in the books and he never tried to take Frodo to Gondor. He resisted the Ring and sent them on their way. It should also be mentioned that while Arwen mentions several times that she gives up her immortality to live a mortal life, she doesn't actually have that choice. Marrying Aragorn would not make her mortal. That is why Elrond tells her in this movie that if she didn't take the ship into the West she would have to watch everyone she loves die.

[@Makkaru112]

Thing is it did wonders to bring to life their bond and to showcase the real ethereal elves. So it supplemented and augmented to the levity of things. And wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to be honest but yes everything else in your comment I totally love.🥂❤️

[@scottdean2199]

@@Makkaru112 It is within the realm of possibility that the elves may have wanted to send aid if they could but it would be impossible, even with just the information in the movies, for them to have done so. Nobody knew that Theoden would retreat to Helm's Deep until he was freed from Saruman's influence. The battle took place on the evening of the fourth day after that. It took five days for Gandalf to ride east to find the band of Rohirrim still in Rohan and then ride to Helm's Deep - all on horseback. In the Fellowship of the Ring (in the movie as well) it mentions that it takes 40 days to travel from Rivendell to the Pass of Caradhras, which is still well north of Isengard, which is three days march from Helm's Deep. The elves shown were from Lothlorien, but they would have needed to leave for Rohan before the Fellowship did in order to march that far south. Even if they took boats down the river, they could not have left more than two or three days behind the Fellowship, which would be ten days before the Fellowship even reached Parth Galen. Ignoring the issues they were dealing with on their own borders that weren't mentioned in the movies, the elves would not have had time to respond. I think it's nice to call back to the old alliances of Men and Elves and makes for interesting visuals (and having a named character death without sacrificing someone central to the story), but not realistic within that world.

[@MichaelPower212]

@@scottdean2199 Well said. In spite of movie's portrayal of Elrond and Galadriel's decision to send Elves to support men in the battle against evil, this support was only seen at the Battle of Helm's Deep. One would have thought that once such a decision was taken, the Elves would have also been present at the Siege of Gondor, the Battle of Pelennor Fields, and at the battle at the Black Gate (Morannon). Additionally, in the matter of the Eagles as the film depicted, Gandalf apparently was influential at requesting their aid as he had done in his escape from Isengard and their participation in the battle at the Black Gate. Yet, they could have been helpful in the Battle of Helm's Deep and Pelennor Fields.

[@rikk319]

Arwen's choice wasn't giving up immortality--she'd still not age, even after choosing to love Aragorn. Her choice was to go wherever Aragorn would in the afterlife. Humans and elves have different afterlives. In the books, Arwen had to willingly choose to give up her spirit, because her body wouldn't die naturally.

[@scottdean2199]

@@rikk319 For those who read the books, this is clear. In the movies, however, it is commonly misconstrued. At one point she literally says "I choose a mortal life." Some believe when Arwen referred to the "grace given to me" she was talking about her immortality (or her permission to go to Valinor, which is also untrue), and it is a very common misconception that she became mortal when she chose to marry Aragorn. I have had many people who watched the movies think that immortality is a gift in Tolkien's world, when in the books it is the exact opposite (not that immortality is a curse, but that mortality is a gift). The only elf that chose to live a mortal life to be with their love was Luthien, who was given the option by Eru Iluvatar himself after she and Beren had already died. I didn't count Elros because his choice was not based on marriage or love, but because of the deeds of his parents.

[@ThomasStClair-zr2lb]

About the trees, the reason they pulled them all down was to use their wood to burn in the forge to make all their weapons and clear the ground for mining of ore for steel. The orcs being "born" out of the ground I think was something they made up for the movie because I don't think Tolkien described how orcs where made in the books.

[@tarmaque]

Tolkien is vague about how the Uruk-hai were made, but it's clear that they were a product of breeding orcs and men. He doesn't go into detail, but there are clearly hybrids of men and orcs running around that are more like men, and hybrids that are more like Orcs. The Uruk-hai are apparently the result of breeding for the most strength and viciousness of both races. Which is a terrifying thought. This is apparently much the same way that Morgoth bred the race of Orcs from Elves. Both processes apparently involved an extensive use of magic to mutate them. It is implied that the same process was used on Dwarves to produce goblins, although again Tolkien is a little bit vague.

[@stormwreath]

Tolkien changed his mind on how orcs were made, and I don't think he ever really settled on a final version. Early on, he had them being made out of 'subterranean heats and slime', which is what the film shows. Later he had them reproducing by normal sexual means. I think he also thought of combining the two methods -- that orcs _can_ reproduce sexually, but an evil Dark Lord or wizard can also manufacture them in spawning pits if he wants to improve the stock or produce a lot of them really fast; both of those reasons apply to Saruman here. This is from his background essays and letters, not in the novel itself.

[@purgedome2386]

Hehe.. love it.. lots of questions but some will be answered in the next film. I had a whole paragraph typed out about orcs/goblins/elves.. when realized it's better you know less or just get 'overloaded'. I'm 'overloaded'.. lol Love that you left Brego(horse) and Aragorn's 'kissing' scene.. lol.. getting a horse to lightly nibble/lick your face 'that is a rare gift'. On a serious note.. Brego lifting/helping Aragorn to his feet and saddle was really touching scene for me.

[@TrekBeatTK]

“Is Arwen there?” Fun fact: when they were originally filming, she was. But word of it leaked and fans hated the idea and it was rewritten and reshot.

[@jurajvivana]

What scene are you talking about?🧐

[@TrekBeatTK]

@@jurajvivana Helm’s Deep.

[@matthewkirkhart2401]

Yes, back in the day when these movies came out we reacted just like you did. But it was worse because we had to wait an entire year between each movie. Even if we had read the books, Jackson did make some changes/exclusions from the books so we never really knew “exactly” how it would play out in the films. So waiting that year was brutal! Great reactions to these so far, I’m so happy you are watching them!

[@Deailon]

Back then we were invested as well. There are many changes from the books to the movie, so we were both excited and unsure how the story would go, aside from the broad strokes. The extended edition makes the story flow differently than the theatric release, so there was also that.

[@Christiand2821]

Boromir and Faramir's Relationship is so beautiful. A father that shows obvious favoritism and a son that recognizes that and instead of playing into it (like so many would), sacrifices all the praise he can for the sake of his beloved younger brother. I've got two young sons and I can only hope they have that kind of bond. It also shows how corrupting the ring is. If a man that good and that noble could be corrupted by the mere presence of the ring there were really only a few that could ever survive carrying it like Frodo did.

[@patmurray9730]

"This is SO hard," I've first read the books when I was around 12. I've reread them almost yearly since. I'm now 64. I'm still learning stuff.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

These movies came out a year apart. However, certain theaters showed the fellowship of the Ring and the two towers before the premiere of the return of the King. That was a long day.

[@blainekessler2220]

Only going to answer one of your questions, because answers to all others will only be spoilers. You keep wondering why Saruman cut down all the trees. It was not because of the orcs or anything else. The only reason he cut down the trees is because he needs the wood to burn to keep the fires of industry going. That's all he considers the trees good for, fuel for the fire. That was his only reason for clearing entire forests. He was building an army, he needed to forge their weapons and armor, and the trees provided ample and easily accessed fuel. You are also right about most of us fans of this series had the benefit of reading the books first, Myself, I read The Hobbit and all 3 Lord Of The Rings books for the first time when I was in 5th grade. And since 5th grade, I read all 4 of those books every single year. I have done 6this every year since 5th grade, and I'm approaching 60 years old now, so that's quite a few years since 5th grade. Since about my 20's, I've also added The Silmarillion into that list each year, and the past 20 years or so I've also added The Children Of Hurin. All deal with the lore of that story. But even though you say you don't read books, I encourage you to try to read the original 4 at least once. You'll gain a much better understanding of the story because even as long as these movies were, they left out large portions of the story. Anyway, loved your reaction, looking forward to your reaction on the final movie.

[@boqndimitrov8693]

Théoden is right when he asks: - who will come to our aid? Gondor is on the brink after years of war, the elves are evacuating, and the dwarves are also threatened by Sauron, who, by the way, is trying to win them over as allies.He promises to repay them not only with huge riches, but also with rings!

[@rikk319]

Yes...Dain, dwarven ruler of the Lonely Mountain--where Gimili is from--was offered one of the dwarven rings of power, if he would tell Sauron who Baggins was, and where the Shire was. The dwarves didn't give in, and so Sauron sent an army against them, too.

[@frostcreative3814]

The trees were torn down in Isengard to be used as fuel for the forges

[@murraypft]

I read this series when I was around 12YO. It was the first time I heard the word "moot", as in Ent Moot. I had to look it up.

[@CJR-wv8kc]

Regarding Gollum/smegol it was actually addressed earlier in the film frodo says to him that he was not much different from a Hobbit once. The trees were cut down to feed the fires needed to make, armour and arm sauraman's army.

[@majkus]

"Awesome! Is Arwen with you?" Actually, she was, but Jackson changed his mind (bringing it a bit closer to the book). She is actually blurred out of a couple of the large Helm's Deep shots.

[@grife3000]

I guess 999 elves is closer to the book than 1000 elves, so you're technically correct.

[@maestro80smusic93]

Two lines always get me in this movie: Merry: There won't be a Shire, Pippin... Faramir: Then it is forfeit... also, NEVER piss off the trees... It may have seemed trivial in Fellowship of the Ring when they showed Saruman cutting the forest down for his forges to make weapons, but now you see just how important that was...

[@ThistleAndSea]

Wonderful, Dawn! I'm loving rewatching these movies with you. So much fun! And the best is yet to come. 😉Thanks for sharing this with us, and Happy Christmas to you and yours!! 🌲😊

[@leonpepunkt2544]

Can't get over how you say books, it's really cute! 😍😂

[@palfab79]

It's great to see you're enjoying these movies! :) personally at first my reaction was curiosity, then ended up liking them

[@dontwitty1656]

Hildire "long ago, we fought alongside of men" explanation for the dead bodies, in the swamp, that frodo, sam, golem passed through

[@LordEsel88]

You are correct about the Elves. They live forever and can't die of old age, but they can be killed in battle for example.

[@scalefree]

you got it right on Aragorn, he's descended from Numenor & they were known to live as long as 400 years.

[@ScarriorIII]

Lass, as an American of Scottish descent, your voice is magical to me. Keep dooen wat yer dooen and dinnae haud your weesht, yah silken haired scottish elf.

[@neilfreedman2537]

Great reaction again Dawn. Looking forward to the last part. Pulling down the trees is fuel for their furnaces to build weapons for their massive army.

[@CommadoreGothnogDragonheart]

They cut down the trees because they needed fuel for their forges to make armor and weapons.

[@vincentvancraig]

This is an old upload, u may never read this, but, imagine seeing it in 2001, & 2002, & having to wait a whole year to see the next part😬, lol ...h3ll yeah tho, glad u got to see them immediately & that ur enjoying it...great reaction & great edit (the edit is everything with movie reactions; sometimes an edit is so mediocre, or bad, that im paranoid watching the final part for 2, 3 hours just for the the final film to be missing all the good & crucial parts....which has totally happened to me, its the worst....anyway, with yours, im fully confident of greatness)...im now subbed & liked:D

[@stanmann356]

It goes against the books, but Saruman was somehow spawning the Uruks out of the mud pits, they weren't already there.

[@scalefree]

one tower has Sauron's Eye in Mordor & the other is Saruman's that he put Gandalf on top of.

[@LocTsun]

They shot all 3 movies as if it was one movie. That's why it feels like you can watch it in one sitting and many many do

[@FastRiposte]

Gollum was a hobbit, he took the ring, and it corrupted him (the intro said that Gollum spent 500 years in the caves of moria. The ring corrupts its bearer, and changes them mentally and physically. The ring wants to return to its creator, as it is bound to him. The trees were used to feed the forges and to build weapons for Saruman's army. Saruman was the white wizard , Gandalf was also a wizard. They are powerful entities that were sent to protect the people of middle earth.

[@RoadDoug]

The Elbe can die, their spirits move on to the undying lands. Your reactions are great! And your accent holds me spell bound. I can’t wait for you to watch and react to book 3. There are full readings of the books on KZbin. Some are well done. There are many differences in the books that I’m sure you might enjoy. Again, love love love watching your reactions. Thank you.

[@bradsouthers7476]

Tearing down the trees was a "miscalculation" on Sauroman's part. He did not include the Ents when making his plans, so to him the trees were just fuel for his forges.

[@romanrose4982]

The ending of fellowship and 2 towers is the geek-fantasy equivalent of blue-balls. Return of the king is a tantric nerdgasm.

[@Lethgar_Smith]

Why is it called The Two Towers? Well Tolkien wrote it as a single book but the publisher wanted to split it into three volumes with separate titles. They came up with the titles. Tolkien was really against calling the third book "The Return of the King" because it gives away the ending. Before the movies most people assumed the two towers the title refers to is Saruman's tower and the other tower is an orc guard tower where a lot of the action takes place in the 2nd novel. However, the movies move that scene to the 3rd movie and compresses it down quite a bit so it doesn't play as large a role in the movie as it does in the book so, for the movies, the Two Towers refers to Saruman's tower of Orthanc that the Ents just destroyed (although not the tower itself) and of course Sauron's tower in Mordor. The one with the big fiery eye on top. BTW, in the book Sauron's tower does not have a giant eye hovering above it. The book mentions that near the top is a window from which a red light is seen, like a red eye piercing the night. Sauron himself is never physically described as he does not have a physical form. But he can appear within the mind of those he wishes to perceive him, as a great lidless eye wreathed in flame.

[@rikk319]

That orc guard tower is called Cirith Ungol.

[@Philbert-s2c]

"That's going to flood their big hole...." That might be the most Scottish thing I've ever heard....

[@TrekBeatTK]

Aragorn’s line of men lives longer because they have Elvish blood. Deep lore fact: that line was started by Elrond’s twin brother, so technically Aragorn and Arwen are distant cousins.

[@richardmeyer1007]

The Advent calendar is brilliant!

[@Deacon1952]

We old folk had to wait ONE YEAR between each part of the Trilogy. I recall praying and begging that I be allowed to live till the movies were ended ! But before that all transpired, die hard LOTR fans did not want a movie made. We ( collectively ) did not think it could ever do the books justice, as long and intricate as they were. We stand corrected now...lol !

[@TheWebcrafter]

The trees were used as fuel to feed the fires that forged the weapons of the Orcs.

[@Big_Tex]

To explain Aragorn’s longevity - in ancient times when Sauron’s boss Morgoth was overthrown, the men who were loyal to the Elves were granted an Island Kingdom by the great Angels, called Numenor. Among the victors of the war were Elrond and his twin brother Elros. They were of mixed race from a marriage of man and elf, and so were given a choice of living as elf or mortal man. Elrond choose elf, but Elros chose man - but with the reward of being made the founding king of Numenor, and having a 500 year life span. Aragorn descended directly from Elros over 6500 years or so. His bloodline was long-lived but that was diluted over the generations. So you can figure that if he lives out his natural life, he’ll live a couple hundred years maybe. Also means Elrond is Aragorn’s great uncle (X about 60 greats) and his kissing cousin Arwen is his 1st cousin 60-times removed.

[@tarmaque]

Galadriel is also Arwen's grandmother, which is not mentioned in the movies. Aside from that I believe she is also one of Aragorn's ancestors, but even further removed. When you have a race that lives millennia these sorts of things happen. It's also a little unclear how old Arwen is. We do know she lived for many years among her relatives in Lothlorien before coming home to live with her father and her brothers. Her mother of course was an elf, daughter of Galadriel. Hence Arwen is not "Half-elven" but "Quarter-elven." More closely related to elves than men. I haven't read the full histories so I could be dead wrong about some of this.

[@Big_Tex]

@@tarmaque I think the relationship is vaguely hinted when Galadriel gives gifts to the fellowship. She kind of points at his Arwen pendant and basically says “I can’t give you anything more then Arwen so whatever.” My paraphrase 🤣, also pretty subtle.

[@tarmaque]

@@Big_Tex In the novels _Galadriel_ gives Aragorn the stone/necklace indicating that she approves of his relationship with Arwen, In lieu of Arwen's dead mother. Tortured to death by Orcs as I recall, I think in Dol Guldur.

[@Big_Tex]

@@tarmaque I had thought that about the mother but saw on YT that she had survived and sailed west

[@tarmaque]

@@Big_Tex I won't dispute that, but I don't know. I just remember a line from I think Fellowship about "...her brothers, never forgetting the cruel treatment their mother suffered at the hands of the orcs." Or something like that. Later of course Elrond's sons along with a company of Rangers from the north (Aragorn's kin) joined up with the Roharim at Dunharrow. I've read the books many times, but the last time was a long time ago. I've also read the Silmarillion three times, but again the last time was back in the late 80's. Yes, I am old.

[@VoodooSage]

The kingdoms of Gondor and Rohan will need to work together to survive Sauron's assault, but neither knows it yet. The riders are the banished folk from the beginning of the movie, who nonetheless remain loyal to their country and king (because they know something fishy is up with Wormtongue). Here Aragorn proves himself to the people of Rohan by fighting alongside them and helping their king succeed (which is an important step toward eventually uniting the world of men to repel Sauron). But most of these places and people are in Rohan (Edoras, Helm's Deep, the Westfold...). The detail I love the most in this movie is how an arm of the forest moved to block the mouth of valley at Helm's Deep. It's clear in the scene that the forest is killing the retreating orcs, but compare what the plains look like when you first see that valley mid-movie - there was no forest there at all, for miles in any direction!

[@rickardroach9075]

11:18 She was originally, but Jackson changed his mind. In the book, the elves don't come.

[@pringals]

The trees were necessary in building the armory for the army. They needed to burn the wood and melt a lot of ore down and forge it into the armor and swords needed for the army. ... Your frustration in the cliff hanging ending is so relatable, but imagine the rest of us who watched this in the theater on original release and had to wait a year between each! That's how I feel with Avatar right now. Can't wait for the next 3 after watching the 2nd last night.

[@phookadude]

The greatest failing of these movies is the treatment of Faramir, all to throw in an extra battle scene at Osgilioth and a really stupid bit with Frodo trying to hand the ring over to a wraith.

[@lasselippert3892]

What about _comic relief_ Gimli?

[@MiroslavBaldzhiev]

They were ripping the trees to use them for fuel for their furnaces where they forge the weapons for the army.

[@alecoreilly1456]

Questions You'll find out about Gollum in the next one He was ripping down trees to fuel the fires of his warmachine You're right about the elves. They can be slain, but don't die from old age.

[@isaackellogg3493]

The orcs from under the ground are a hybrid between orcs (who live in Mordor), goblins (who live under the Misty Mountains, such as in Moria), and humans (from Bree, the village with the inn where the hobbits met Aragorn). In the book the species were interbred in the normal way, with large portions of the Bree population being made up of goblin-human hybrids. Since that would have required goblin fathers and human mothers, and probably not completely voluntary, Peter Jackson went with the “manufactured” Uruks you see in the movie. Fun fact: the hero Uruk Lurtz (who kills Boromir) “impressed” like a baby duck (identified the first thing it saw out of the womb as its mother) on his own hand murdering. For the rest of his life, therefore, he would associate murder with cozy feelings of love, warmth, and safety. A useful trait for a man-killer.

[@rikk319]

"...large portions of the Bree population being made up of goblin-human hybrids." Um, no. Saruman sent some of the most human-looking half-orcs to Bree as spies (the "sallow, squint-eyed Southerner"), and their contact in Bree was Bill Ferny. The gate-keeper was also in on it, along with some others, but there wasn't a large contingent of half-orcs in Bree. The large contingent came later, in the chapter "The Scouring of the Shire". And yes...since Tolkien said orcs breed "after the manner of elves and men", Peter Jackson wisely used the muddy cloning concept instead of what would most certainly not be a family-friendly explanation for half-orcs.

[@isaackellogg3493]

@@rikk319 I stand corrected on the population density of half-orcs among the Bree. It certainly seemed, with the whole population turned out to watch the hobbits and Strider leave in the morning, that the crowd had an enormous contingent (at least to the eyes of Sam) of orcish-looking Men.

[@jericoba]

What you have to have in mind is that the events that you see in the movie(s) may seem like it's happening within days. It's not like that at all. We the audience see snippets of the lives that play out, and we see significant events. This can be applied to many movies by the way.

[@haraldschnauzer223]

The movies made a very good and accurate summary of the main story but the books have lots more detail. The audiobooks on youtube are 60 hours long. They somehow compressed it into a 10 hour movie without ruining it which is one of the reasons this is one of the very best movies ever made.

[@JFrazer4303]

The movie made very many and some drastic changes, even to important characters motives. They invented all sorts of silly little conflicts to fill it in, apparently thinking the stories weren't exciting enough.

[@bookworm975]

In the books, faramir was never tempted by the ring like his brother or aragorn. He had seen mordors strength and wanted it ended. And the elves were way too busy in a different battle to help Rohan. So they did it with the 300 until gandalf showed up.

[@murraypft]

The wolves of Isengard (sp?) are called Wargs.

[@sirgooner6604]

The golem question gets answered start of next movie,the wood from trees were used to fuel the forgers to make weapons and things

[@sirgooner6604]

Also sauron the sauron question has a long answer but the short one is he died but he is a miar so he was just disembodied and it took him a long time to regain his power and take physical form again

[@JeffersonMills]

You’re doing great. Thanks for sharing your reactions!

[@cendererol]

Hey there! It’s called wargs! They are dire wolves. Gollum is a hobbit from from near river Anduin which is hobbits have been living before immigrating to Shire. Generally you didn’t get the vibe of this masterpiece. You watch like comedy movies. Plus editor cut the best scene which is Samwise speech at the end. Hope you will see how epic story going on at the last movie.

[@totallytomanimation]

They burned the trees to power their industrial war growth machine. Fire to smelt and work all the metal they need to arm and armor their Orc army and field a vast war machiner. I think they even make mention of The Fires of Isengard.

[@droidx1191]

You asked why Saruman cleared out the trees. He burnt them as fuel in his army-building work.

[@natedogs212]

Imagine having to wait an entire YEAR for the next part!!!

[@rbrtck]

Saruman cut down the Trees because he needed lots and lots of wood for building things and to fuel the literal fires of industry. But he made the mistake of cutting down the Trees of Fangorn Forest, who had consciousness and could move and even speak (not like the Ents, but not like regular trees, either). This pissed off the Ents, their shepherds, who destroyed Isengard.

[@TMNTfever]

I didn't read the books until after I saw the Peter Jackson films. I did read the Hobbit for school, and also seen the three animated Rankin Bass films. So I did have exposure to the story through those. But by the time the new films came out, I was a teenager and it was like a whole new world. My friends and I were hyped after every film. Funny enough, the last one we had to go pee so badly at the end, that it kinda ruined our enjoyment of it haha. But watching the end of Return of the King now I cherish all of the endings lol.

[@Wyrmksc]

Those Wolf/Hyenas were Wargs. in the previous 1/2 Saruman said send out your Warg Riders to one of his army. Those are not dragons, wait till you watch The Hobbit. Saruman tore down the trees to fuel the fires for the forges to make weapons for his army.

[@NymphenZeit]

Love your reactions, just brilliant🙂hahah who is she, dragon? Dinosaur? Another Smeagol?🤣