Reacting to the TAS on Trackmania's Hardest Map

Players from the Trackmania community created a TAS on Final Enigma. A map that will never be finished by humans. You'll see why
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[@nilsp9426]

Chat: "Is this TAS?" No, this is Günther. On his touchpad. With oven gloves. Blindfolded. First try. Obviously.

[@Kram1032]

​@@DylanLCutshall actually that might be interesting: If you quadrupled the possible number of inputs in a TAS-setting, how much would runs change if at all? Could that extra precision be used to land even tighter tricks or is the difference negligible?

[@mahattahamovich3983]

@@Kram1032 yeah there was a cheating scandal because of that

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@mahattahamovich3983 He was getting at if it would change TAS or not, I think. And I don't think it would. TAS is tool assisted runs, so some are maybe already using it, but they're already using frame perfect inputs, so a .25 speed difference doesn't affect tas runs, because there are something like 40 or maybe even 100 frames a second, depending on what the game was built on. But when every one of those is perfect, .25 of the normal speed, is absolutely nothing compared to the speed difference between tas and .25 slowed runs.

[@Kram1032]

​@@RS-fy9hb Pretty sure TAS produce "valid" runs, meaning the tools that originally unearthed the slowdown-cheated runs would have no issue taking TAS runs and reproducing an actually finishing run in Track Mania at the regular speed. In fact, that's pretty much exactly what these TAS runs are, right? Effectively a long list of instructions much like the ones that players upload to have their runs verified. The whole thing came crashing down precisely because, at quarter speed, these runs no longer check out. Because you get to change the state of your car four times as often, and if you mapped those same instructions to a regular speed run, errors would creep in and, eventually, make the car drive off the supposed route or whatever. So I think, at least *in principle,* it *could* make a difference for TAS runs as well. Especially for ones on the longer side. Like, they could potentially save up to three quarters of a frame on every single maneuver. Of course it won't *actually* be that long, as most of the time on your average track is gonna be setup (such as "gain enough speed") rather than actual execution differences. But it might be enough to make meaningful frame-level differences. (Of course with the big caveat that frame counts are no longer comparable)

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@Kram1032 ahh, I am not too sure myself, but I know for a fact that the slowed down runs also produced legit runs, which was why it went unchecked for so long. Only recently have they implemented the anti cheat for that specific cheat. Wirtual and Donadiego (cant remember his name) had to use Donadiego's own script to check for cheated runs, because it would only show an insane amount of inputs, as opposed to other high level players. I don't know about tas, but I'm pretty sure they're allowed to backtrace to whatever frame they need to make a difference in and change it. And sometimes it'd be an AI, whom humans have no hope of going up against in terms of frame perfect inputs. Ai would be able to make a change about every single frame, which would amount to however many frames there are a second in trackmania, and that'd be the amount of different inputs a second.

[@ActBreaker]

This map feels designed for TAS. It's a puzzle for a TASer to solve without having to worry about getting into a noseboost asap.

[@GarrettKearns]

Someone should organize a TASers vs. Map Makers community event.

[@dmarsub]

@@GarrettKearns honestly a "speedrun"/ hunt event (you have x hours to get the best time you can) on an unknown map for tassers could be super cool!

[@mashinalawalt7891]

@@dmarsub that would be awesome

[@MABfan11]

i do hope Fastest Way Only attempts to beat this map

[@lucasleys8232]

I swear this “TAS” guy is almost inhumane!

[@kama2106]

The floor here is made out of floor

[@mateoayala2120]

@@kama2106 r/wooosh

[@DerailedWingnut]

Reminds me of the Danser OSU replays.

[@dreadrose0350]

@@mateoayala2120 how is that a swoosh?

[@kama2106]

@@dreadrose0350 Dunno, he just entered internet yesterday with his granny and spams that because he thinks it s funny or relevant

[@magicmulder]

Wirtual sounds like assisting a rally driver, “5 left into 6 right into long straight…”

[@Ashe_S_]

How many "don't cut" instructions do you think the TAS ignored?

[@N4SCARfaN]

"300 over bumps into bugslide right, tightens on exit, 4 right over big jump into 2000 noseboost..."

[@Amy-dq2lg]

technically the codriver

[@calar8]

That final checkpoint for Decimation is just about the evilest thing I've ever heard of.

[@Ixune]

"Why would you try to make something 4 times harder than anyone could ever finish" Rhythm gamers: even the auto can't beat this hahaha

[@Sequencer37]

it's not hard to make auto lose a level, it's way harder to make it fun

[@Sgtcrazyeyes235]

Watching tas go from keyboard input for steering into analog input back to keyboard is wild

[@Cowmilker98]

Digital into analog input, or keyboard into controller/wheel input. Pick one

[@markotodorovic7013]

This TAS guy is pretty good

[@gl1tch3d_tm]

Thanks!

[@argiziont]

This tas guy speedruns almost every game, insane

[@Catou1992]

"and then, TAS got this run."

[@kolbyjackcheese1078]

I hope to be like TAS one day, but I don't think it's going to happen 😕

[@hollowednight5290]

I know right, my man should enter a tourney

[@erikgaynard5607]

Wirtual - "Why would you make something harder" Plasma - "Hi"

[@letuna7423]

I was about to comment how was this map verified if no one has completed it. 5 seconds later the question was asked and answered and the timing blew my mind.

[@whitemystery17]

Is the excel sheet you have for the difficult tracks viewable by regular people? Would you be able to put it in the description?

[@eckso4237]

I have subscribed and notifications on and now my scooter became faster

[@xBICYCLEx]

Editors, Please. When you do a zoom in on Wirtual's face, please just increase the size of the camera window instead of zooming in the whole screen. Having the car leave frame during the zoom in makes it really hard to follow what's going on sometimes

[@treeplusplus]

The video is taken from a VOD. The camera channel is not recorded seperately, thus making it impractical and more time consuming to edit in the camera part of the screen zooming in.

[@utkn]

I don't think they have the separate files, just the files directly from the VOD.

[@satibel]

It should be fairly easy to use ffmpeg to get the camera as a separate video and overlay it on top.

[@treeplusplus]

@@satibel i dont think thats the peak of wirtual's concern

[@jesse_phillips]

@@treeplusplus it's easy enough to select just the camera corner of a clip and zoom only that part in, would take only a couple seconds more than zooming the entire video

[@good_guy_SG]

1:55 The feeling when a streamer responds to your message is just different.

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

With tripple the checkpoints, Enigma would be realistic.

[@thelaw11]

Looks easy enough , might finish in 5

[@black_m1n825]

4

[@Northtarctica]

3

[@thelaw11]

@@Northtarctica oh no

[@mrwalrusmars6405]

5 millenniums

[@fan0]

@@mrwalrusmars6405 5 universes

[@hellawasserkirsch5292]

Bro i fucking love i keep the daily videos up. Much love to you

[@ottojagenstedt9740]

Try getting one of these maps using save states and see if you can make it. So you can "add your own checkpoints" wherever you want.

[@lekronss]

The guy in chat that said "Is this a TAS" no, we were just watching Wirtual's replay xD

[@rianpeeter3458]

"And then, hefest got this run..."

[@lordlem]

you KNOW this map is hard when even the freaking TAS has to go IN REVERSE to get enough speed

[@planesflick9561]

pog, more content pleaSEEEE I WANT MORE VIDS TO WATCH!

[@scorpian78]

Up until the start it looked quite doable

[@MemesbroOnScratch]

Final Enigma looks like the Trials of Death of Trackmania

[@onlysmiles4949]

That "Decimation" track is evil

[@Xeractyll]

Nixion did not listen. We now have a map probably 20 times harder than Final Enigma now. Plasma is absurd.

[@anasimloul3714]

3:30 Wirtual is so cool he even beat my math teacher at teaching hard math concepts without it sounds hard

[@flx910w]

i like this genre of tracks

[@elais5785]

Me waiting for 450 speed to see absolute nose boost madness

[@bazinko9249]

6:09 right thats a project for the next few years

[@kotalog_ru]

amazing game. who loves to play with rapier machines? now I'll put 2 autocannons on and check how to play with them

[@rafasoler6826]

Holy moly, how many vids are we getting this week?

[@jasonrobertbeal8167]

Where can I find the spreadsheet of trial maps?

[@philipberggren1823]

Who made this map???? The level of effort making this map so its even possible to finish is insane!

[@EvelynNdenial]

if final enigma has each checkpoint completed individually why hasnt anyone just kept the game running and put up a like 1 week long completion.

[@jonahfastre]

Seems consistent

[@SleepyGiraffe]

could it be time to wirtual try this map again??🤔

[@MooseeMcMoose]

Yeah my buddy eric did this last week.

[@onixsii7708]

Im not a Trackmania Player. Did anyone finish this map like ever ? 3:47 Well that answers it thanks Im just supprised that people grind 1000 of hours for a millisecond of improvement but no one grinded this map

[@guush890]

to anybody who does play trackmania, this is practicly impossible for any human

[@kingacrisius]

They grind for milliseconds of improvement in maps that are generally not particularly difficult to drive normally and are decently short. This map is inhumanely difficult, has way too few checkpoints, and is very long.

[@eclipse1353]

I mean... you could probably make a track similar to timeless by cyrillic (geometry dash level which takes around -68 years) or 3sh times a lot

[@Nawkk]

thanks

[@galaxystudios370]

wow this is almost as impressive as Ballistic Wistfully. If you know you know

[@sukhesharulananthan3046]

for those who don't know, it is the 3rd hardest impossible level in the impossible levels list in geometry dash edit: corrected the error

[@mexomenti]

aye what's up fellow gd player

[@mexomenti]

@@sukhesharulananthan3046 there are 2 harder levels now apparently, either i did not know that or you're making shit up

[@sukhesharulananthan3046]

@@mexomenti right now it is in 3rd place in the ILL. Am i right?

[@sukhesharulananthan3046]

@@mexomenti ayyy sup

[@reeseanimates6927]

My toxic trait is thinking I can fucking do this

[@644jonas]

And then... Wirtual got this run..

[@griffonnomercy7514]

After seeing Plasma this looks lika a children game

[@turdle837]

Like Wirtual, I have the same question: Why would you make this map? Why would you spend so much time for something probably noone will ever finish? How is that not a massive waste of time?

[@samfedorka5629]

I wonder if you slowed down the game, if these tracks would be playable. Obviously you would have to be _very clear_ that it's a human driven tool assisted run and _not_ a legit run, but I think that would be worth something.

[@TheHipOneMusic]

riolu moment

[@hectortorrents9431]

whats the song at the end

[@Osiits25]

If you combine all this map in one run. Congrats. Go buy lottery ticket.

[@FreezeBlaze]

Where can I find this excel spreadsheet of hard maps

[@Viper_Playz]

Wirtul love ur videos I’m trying to expand my small KZbin channel so I can save up to get a gaming pc so I can play trackmaina thank you for inspiring me Keep making cool vids Viper playz

[@thomassayles3699]

How is tas only just a thing in trackmania?

[@felixearls2041]

Wdym? It's in a lot of games?

[@AmnesiaSilence]

you can tas like every game

[@kaiw.326]

2:57 :,,DeUud"

[@Adaamek]

please tell someone what is that anime orchiestra song, I am looking for it for 1 month and I doesn't find it

[@Qwikology]

Is there final enigma test tracks?

[@fencserx9423]

When you hear a TASer spent 5 days on 1 trick… you know the map is pretty crazy

[@pleepler]

Ok, but this video was already on the Clips channel

[@demnisho]

Does anyone know what website (or whatever that is) on the beggining? (00:01 btw)

[@Xeractyll]

That's a Google spreadsheet of the top trial maps.

[@erronblack1044]

insane

[@abl892]

Someone just completed stage 3. 3x improvement to plastorex

[@Name-yf6xp]

6:30 how it the difficulty calculated?

[@speedymatt1236]

Probably by the amount of players who cleared these maps.

[@weaverl5361]

fun fact: the harder you press w the faster you go

[@c_Wato]

"Looks do-able"

[@ilya238]

I hate it when custom maps have basically unplayable shitty textures. Final Enigma is a great example of unplayable gray and red visual mess.

[@fg786]

Cheesy joke incoming: Damn, riolu would be proud of those inputs.

[@tinyrem6090]

My toxic trait is thinking that I could finish this (I absolutely cannot)

[@Snabux_gaming]

This game is like geometry dash but a racing game xd

[@HamGaming933]

the tas is switching between keyboard and controller in 1 millisecond

[@burnticecream7731]

Every turn is like a whole kacky map

[@genuineangusbeef8697]

Blindness is such a worthless mechanic imo. Shouldn't be forced / removing it shouldn't be considered cheating

[@littlecreeper8543]

in normal maps yea but this was designed to be hard, that part would have been easier for humans without blindness, however it forces you to turtle it when you have blindness instead which just adds to the difficulty of what would be a rather easy part

[@suchgood5820]

anyone got a link to the spreadsheet?

[@arvandagarwal1498]

What tools are they being assisted with, just speed?

[@pan_czerwony5437]

they use slowing down the game a lot and some brute forcing, just programming it to try a lot of input combinations to get the result

[@twitch_tazvenom]

Not gonna lie but with this map idk what’s a shortcut and what isn’t

[@frogofbread]

someone got cp3

[@proplaystowin]

Have you seen RTgames lasagna track

[@Kholanee]

Skynet needs to be stopped

[@radokromka7978]

Final eligma when?

[@brianvansetten]

what's the link for that file?

[@sfdgfdhdf]

why dont humans just do it?

[@wxbrainiac]

idk hefest may be able to get this run

[@gregkeha2532]

Jesus.

[@rockerxXc]

Yesn’t

[@randombiker4610]

For those that still think it's a human input possible,well switching between KB and PAD in a second you need the reflexes of a cheetah,which even the best hardcore gamers don't possess. Runs like this are the result of previous runs being spliced together to form one TAS for shits and giggles. The Nose boost part of the TAS shows that it,s a chain of nose bugs performed in multiple runs,simple as that.

[@matthewkeen6281]

nice.

[@ismailsalih1299]

And then.... Hefest Got this run...

[@ethanblack5642]

I comment to help statistics

[@41g54h]

You should do a 24H stream of this track. Try to finish it in 24h.

[@speedymatt1236]

Or here’s a better question: Just try to finish it in a quattuordecillion hours

[@41g54h]

@@speedymatt1236 on in 5 seconds

[@fallingfriguy3259]

Has anyone beat this without TAS yet

[@oostrich.]

he answered that in like the first 10 seconds of the video -_-. If you still can't find it, press read more. 0:09

[@HorseCritter]

It looks so easy but I can only imagine the precision needed

[@ЯрославДанилов-ф5ь]

BLIND

[@deleted7713]

And then gl1tched got this run

[@TigerCatMkd]

this is imposible to finish

[@zdenekbina6044]

Deep dip.. why would you build somerhing more difficult than this?

[@doggo7078]

TM players are not like Geometry Dash players Chickens

[@wantsomecoffe]

Imo, if the creator, or some other (human) being havent’t been able to complete the race themself, the map is not valid….

[@kaithedoge5861]

Nah man this easy… this should have 10 or more laps That would make it fun >:) Oh and blindfolded without using left key Now that might maybe just be a tiny little bit challenging…

[@evoplayz4567]

What

[@HNRY11]

Mufat could do it

[@oompa7037]

This map looks easy

[@Wes_Dev]

It looks super doable, why not just copy what the tas did