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[@MetalTrenches]

Just like anything: deathcore has amazing bands and terrible bands. People who blacklist an entire genre aren’t even trying.

[@forgemastermetal]

What are some genuinely terrible deathcore bands?

[@DeathMetalFoodSports]

Never could get into The Red Chord and I seem to remember a couple of handsome blokes who did not, at all, like Job For A Cowboy back in the day…

[@beans8130]

@@forgemastermetalWhitechapel gets my vote every time....

[@alex_flamer]

9:00 Coverkillernation! We miss you!!! ❤️❤️❤️🤘🤘🤘

[@Justusrabbits]

I agree about Archspire being needed. It feels like they raised the bar, but also made it accessible. I am eagerly awaiting whatever they do next. Y'all have a great weekend

[@forgemastermetal]

You too man!

[@Ardroth]

I completely brushed off "deathcore" until I was exposed to material with a symphonic element to it... Like what Lorna Shore does so masterfully well... my lightbulb moment was when i first heard Make Them Suffer's "neverbloom". That's the moment I realized i actually do like DC

[@forgemastermetal]

Big same on DC. Plus watching it live is a blast.

[@russdavies9686]

I don't understand the first, if I see Max's name on any project I will check it out. Love Soulfly, Cavalera Conspiracy, Killer Be Killed, you name it

[@blackwaterrust476]

I would love to see a tech death vid. I can somewhat ageee I still think there is a lot of great tech death in the 2000s with bands like Defeated Sanity, Dying Fetus, Nile, Lykathea Aflame, Ulcerate, Decapitated. But it did feel like many tech death bands at that time were trying to copy the Cryptopsy pummeling style of tech death. I do appreciate bands like Archspire for taking it to a more fun, melodic, interesting and more dynamic direction of tech death. Honestly Megadeth is one of my favorite bands of all time. I love Dave’s vocals for nasty aggressive technical thrash metal but with how rough his vocals are getting I almost wish Megadeth would just retire.

[@forgemastermetal]

I know what ya mean about Megadeth. What makes you think they're still going at it??

[@roberthughes286]

I think Obscura does some pretty interesting things. Cosmogenisis is an incredible album.

[@amirphoenix2327]

I would listen Necrophagist over Archspire but that is personal taste, total bullshit that third album is done and not released

[@AmDramSlam]

Thanks for responding to my take on Necrophagist/tech death 🤘 That clarinet clip is sick 😂 Will give Archspire another shot. Haven't gotten into them or bands like Obscura, so a list of best modern tech death bands would be really interesting. The best tech stuff I have heard recently is from established bands (Dying Fetus, Nile, Suffocation) although BandCamp brings up a few gems (Dead and Dripping's 2023 album)

[@joaovalenteaguiar1361]

Hi guys, Yeah, a video about tech death would be great. I do think that Necrophagist combined technicality, precision and hooks. For instance, the solo in Fermented offal discharge is the paradigm of that. At the same time, you should check out the video Dean Lamb of Archspire made about his process of learning the song Epitaph from Necrophagist. It is in his channel. Even he, who is undeniably one of the cutting edge guitar players of the last twenty years, struggled a little bit to get the rhythm guitar of that song. People tend to confuse speed with sheer level of technicality. In my view, tech death is mostly about bringing layers of complexity to the songs. Of course, things tend to turn into a sort of arms race, but the cornerstone of tech death is, in my opinion, building new puzzles, without losing the sense of a song format whatsoever. To wrap up my comment, in terms of technicality Spawn of possession were probably the tech death with the so-called "more difficult songs to play". Archspire are the contemporary biggest band in tech death but they're not the only ones with hooks. Obscura are a great example of the combination of technicality and melodic sensibility. In fact, among the biggest names in the genre, they are probably one of the most "melodic" tech death bands out there. Keep up the good work in the channel

[@NicolasAristizabal-rb3ju]

This may look obnoxious, but I’ll go 1 by 1: 1. Sepultura was better with Max, but he is salty, and that final run of Machine Messiah and Quadra is amazing; Quadra is for me top 3 in their discography. 2. I just saw Megadeth live, and Mustaine sounded great. You can hear his age, but he can still do it. 3. I don’t like Deathcore, so I can’t be objective at all. 4. I’ve got a hot take of my own: Morbid Angel should release a final album true to what they’ve been for most of their career and then retire. I love them, but that’s just how I feel. 5. Tech death is not really my favorite, but it mostly offers a lot of quality music, so I’m good with it. Hope that wasn’t annoying, nice video guys 🤘🤘

[@Mr.Goldbar]

I actually quite agree with the third take and slightly agree with the fourth. I love deathcore regardless, but it's honestly way better live and when you actually see the man making these insane noises with his voice right in front of you. Though I'd say this take applies to most metalcore even more than deathcore, I don't enjoy listening casually to metalcore that much but I love going my country's local metalcore scene, have many friends from there and really enjoy seeing bands live. And regarding Morbid Angel, Illud Davinum Insanus is honestly ok, but much better than any of the albums they did without Evil D purely because it's Evil D, and Trey is not there alone doing that solo project thing and the vocals are not generic. I think the lack of Pete Sandoval is what made this album go into this divisive kinda direction

[@ManekiNeko1972]

metalcore has good bands. I had a group of friends in a metalcore band called Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh. Nice girls and very sweet.

[@doubleXnickel]

I grew up with hardcore and I grew into deathcore as its grown up and expanded. But... yeah for Mustaines vocals... painful. Tech death list, yes plz (I love lists)

[@forgemastermetal]

We might get around to it!

[@enferex]

As always, interesting content; a fun video. I appreciate the research to identify empirical evidence to make your decisions and further your opinions, ace content! Techdeath definitely works, but it has to be unique/interesting/captivating. Archspire do this.

[@forgemastermetal]

Thanks buddy we had fun with this one. 🤘

[@Rafael-kr6zv]

Related to the Dave Mustaine topic, I'd like to see Dani Filth step back as a manager/composer only for COF, just how happened to Angela Gossow with Arch Enemy, because his vocals live have been really inconsistent lately. He was definetely good during the 90s and early 00s, but he seems tired now

[@addrokgarvey4308]

Slaughter to Prevail's drummer has so much taste bell work and one hand snare grinds. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@nickpardon8617]

Not really regarding this vid but Axamenta just released their new song since 2006: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmTGdmWlbsicfs0si=iVskebJQWaUU8bMO Would love to hear your guys' reactions to it. Think of a proggy version of Dimmu Borgir is probably the best description I can give... They'll be releasing their new EP (which this new song is a compilation of actually) in a couple of weeks. I love their previous album "Ever-Arch-I-Tech-Ture", if you want to know what they're capable of, which you can also find on Spotify/KZbin etc.

[@SpecialAgentBillMaxwell]

Love Archspire. It's still the funniest live show I've ever seen. Runners up go to Devin Townsend and Powerglove. Their banter is just so outrageous.

[@forgemastermetal]

Love some good stage banter haha.

[@Justusrabbits]

I can understand what you are saying about them. I personally like them, but in the long run inthink they will be highly influencial. I say that because they make tech death way more approachable than most. Everyone has a band that started them on a path. These guys have that.

[@Clintob]

100% agree on deathcore and stuff like EDM. I have definitely taken things at an EDM fest and it all made sense. Had the best time of my life hahaha

[@forgemastermetal]

Eeeyyyyyy lol

[@thestarseeker8196]

I’ll give that guy that Ilud is a better Morbid Angel record than Cold Lake is a Celtic Frost record. Just to compare something else reviled.

[@thestarseeker8196]

Stuff like the Lorna Shore would impact me a ton more if not for The Same Plugins Most Metal Bands Use Nowadays. That’s something which especially impacts more “extreme” genres negatively. Negative dynamics and negative atmosphere is never a net positive for me.

[@forgemastermetal]

Which plug-ins do you refer to?

[@AustinB612]

Haha,what in the hell is on on your TV at the 14:23 mark?

[@forgemastermetal]

Some horror movie, we usually just let them play in the background - it’s probably American Werewolf in London.

[@justinwearn620]

Morbid Angels album only had one or two meh songs, but besides that its a decent record

[@forgemastermetal]

Upon revisiting, I agree

[@doseofreality420marianetti2]

I haven't heard Morbid Angel since the 3rd album. The C album. The first two A and B albums were the only ones that I was able to get into. C,D, E, F.... albums I couldn't get into so I gave up trying

[@jesseleavy5841]

I don't care for Illud Divinum Insanus, but I do defend that album a little more than most fans. I think they deserve props for taking a risk and going in a slightly different direction; even though it didn't pay off. And there are a few bangers on it as well! It's just wildly inconsistent and super corny at times.

[@steveratcliffe2181]

I loved Early Megadeth, now i have a hard time getting through Rust in Peace. But the music is amazing. Like both Eras of Sepultura. Theres some killer stuff in the Derrick era. Deathcore , I like Lorna the best, its the symphonics, blackened vocals , but above all, the melodies. Shadow of Intent is good, they have alot of death metal in there . Not a fan of the huge beakdowns of deathcore, even in the Lorna songs too.

[@forgemastermetal]

Hell yeah!!

[@CraigMader]

Techdeth gets as much unwarranted hate as dethcore, but a fraction of the critical attention. Would be interested in your views/recs in the genre. It drives my friends nuts. I love it. I know who I like, curious who you like.

[@alexcielvieira3548]

Im with you on a lot of prog metal in particular, though Dream Theater do have some really well written songs, but also a lot of technical wankery. I think they would have been a much stronger band with a vocalist who was better with composing more memorable melodic phrasing like Dickinson or Dio.

[@forgemastermetal]

Great points!

[@dsc1970]

Best modern tech death bands video -- purty plz..

[@forgemastermetal]

We'll get there!

[@BigBl0ck-r9y]

Old school tech death was cool it did not sound stiriail, cryptopsy

[@nmnate]

I'm all for proggy, melodic tech death. Any band that does genre bending work tastefully will get a listen from me.

[@nmnate]

A few worth a listen (is it tech death...or does it even matter?): beyond creation, first fragment, obscura, inferi, (yes archspire), allegaeon, alkaloid, ne obliviscaris (techy deathy, no clue?) Dessiderium, equipoise, psycroptic, obsidious, rivers of nihil. Good time to be a metal head 😁

[@forgemastermetal]

Solid bands right there!

[@Boots_McScoots]

Megadeth have needed a live vocalist for a while, and the last 10 years have been especially rough. Dave was already going downhill when he had spinal surgery, and throat cancer did in what little range he had left. Now he yelps out notes he can't hit, and mumbles his way through the rest of the set. It's tough to watch. Edit: The bit at 13:20 sounds like it was directly lifted from "This Godless Endeavor," lol.

[@forgemastermetal]

Who could possibly fill those shoes though?

[@di0__0ib]

at least Mustaine is worlds better than Vince Neal. I don't think Dave is doing too bad

[@opethmike]

Necrophagist is infinitely more listenable than Archspire.

[@forgemastermetal]

K

[@opethmike]

@@forgemastermetal As in the elemental symbol for potassium? I'm confused.

[@forgemastermetal]

Don't get confused.

[@opethmike]

@@forgemastermetal You can't tell me what to do, you Archspire fan you

[@MotoXjunk]

More of this please

[@forgemastermetal]

Noted!

[@w-james9277]

Death and black metal are just as cheesy as power metal

[@Main936]

Oh man I really can't stand this dude using cliché 101 growls to read stuff or speak.

[@forgemastermetal]

That’s cool. I can’t stand main character syndrome. 😘

[@Main936]

@@forgemastermetal After a bit of thinking, I have to admit this was a nice burn, and well deserved as well. Caught me being a jerk online. Keep up the good work, these mid year wrap ups are actually great :)

[@forgemastermetal]

@@Main936 all good bud no worries, sometimes we all get the grumps :P

[@deamonpainter1443]

Dave was never a great vocalist, pretty sure he even admits that. Give him a break though, the bloke’s had throat cancer and thrash has never been known for great vocals to start with.

[@forgemastermetal]

Agreed, we wished him well

[@ManekiNeko1972]

Is Deathcore shit? It has Brojob and that's the biggest shit of them all.

[@forgemastermetal]

I don’t think it is

[@joelbergvonlinde1389]

Ashenspire >>>> Archspire

[@forgemastermetal]

Hot take!

[@barsknos]

Megadeth was my first ever concert in 1992 (with Pantera!). Vocals has never been the highlight of that band. Your job as audience members is to collectively sing louder than him :D Interestingly, one of my last 5 concerts was Lorna Shore! It was awesome. My last concert, Cattle Decapitation, was even more fun though :D

[@forgemastermetal]

Was it the chaos and carnage tour? How was that?

[@barsknos]

@@forgemastermetal I saw Cattle Decap (and Crypta!) at the Infero Festival in Norway. At the tiny stage. Never has that room been so full! Was epic!

[@doom-metal-guy]

First!

[@forgemastermetal]

Eyyyooo!

[@jasonboardman2796]

I can't get into Archspire their just way too wankery for me Archspire technical death metal more like Hip hop death metal. Ha ha

[@megadeth8592]

Last sentence made no sense. We already have shit like that and it's definitely not Archspire

[@jasonboardman2796]

Really who is it?

[@forgemastermetal]

Which tech death bands are you into??

[@alexandruandreivasile5041]

@@megadeth8592 He's saying it because their vocalist sounds like he's rapping death growls. Maybe, I don't know.

[@richardfecteau4490]

Mustaine's god awful voice has kept me from ever enjoying Megadeth.

[@megadeth8592]

Good. They've been plenty successful without you.

[@richardfecteau4490]

@@megadeth8592 Everyone's got their opinion.

[@forgemastermetal]

Even the classics?