Reaction: Winnipeg Jets dominated in Game 4 by Colorado Avalanche 5-1

Michael Remis is joined by Connor Hrabchak for a recap of the Winnipeg Jets 5-1 loss in Game 4 over the Colorado Avalanche in their 2024 Stanley Cup Playoffs first round series.
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Intro, pregame notes (0:00)
First Period (5:00)
Second Period (9:47)
Third Period (19:17)
Final thoughts (22:41)
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[@Seandude05]

Avs fan here praying for a quick and total recovery for Namestnikov, that was a scary injury and we all hope he’s okay

[@SportsTalkWPG]

💯

[@mrjupiter80]

Avs fan. Huge thumbs up to you for reflecting on your take from last game and addressing it. Easy to get sucked up in that aspect of the game since it played such a big part late. I've enjoyed listening to your show all series. You guys are all class in my book!

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Appreciate you taking the time to respond. It means a lot. I had a rough Saturday and was really looking to delivering a good recap here.

[@brianscarbrough354]

Avs fan here…you guys are great. Classy and fair. Thanks!

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for the comment !

[@Logan-dn5us]

The Jets are getting outplayed. This is embarrassing and proves that the regular season means nothing. The people blaming Hellebuyck need to realize that the Avs would score 10+ goals had Hellebuyck not been in net. This team can’t match the speed and skill of the Avs.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thank you for weighing in.

[@chumleye1112]

Disagree, I would have put LB in at the start of this last game. I don't care what Helle did in the reg season, he has a 5 plug GAA in the playoffs. He stunk last year too in the playoffs. I would sign LB and trade Helle for prospects, get rid of 55 too, it seems Wheels wasn't the real problem.

[@pomerlain8924]

​@@chumleye1112You do know Helly's extension kicks in next year right? There is no trading him with that cap hit Same with Scheifele. And Helly has not been the problem. You look at the goals today, which ones were weak goals? Since he sucks so bad, why wasn't the score 10-1 since the Jets were being so badly outshot? You want to trade people, trade Ehlers. Trade Schmidt. Trade Pionk.

[@Detox2045]

Seems the “pull the goalie” chants from the Jets fans in game one are coming back to haunt them 😂😂 GO AVS

[@alyssainnis4432]

@@Detox2045hockey gods punishing the Jets for that one

[@jbmac2359]

Cale Makar doesn’t care, Cale Makar doesn’t give a shit

[@SportsTalkWPG]

What a player

[@jacobdaugherty4496]

I just wanna say I appreciate you guys as an Avs fan. Win or lose, its nice to hear the other team fans' perspective. I dont come here just to brag, I sincerely care about what the other side sees.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Appreciate you coming to watch. Lots of Avs fans enjoyed this episode.

[@tpatrickl9539]

We are very lucky to have the organization we do in the Avalanche and Nuggets. Both are threats to win championships again. Well built teams. Now if we could get a baseball team!

[@SportsTalkWPG]

haha, it's too bad about the Rockies. I loved their run in 2007! Holliday & Hawpe carried my fantasy team that year.

[@tpatrickl9539]

@@SportsTalkWPG Rockies will never be any good until ownership sells the team. They are horrific!

[@tmcaseyjonesnt]

Connor is an incredibly well spoken analyst. Loved your insight.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

thank you very much! Connor is certainly a rising young talent, we're lucky to have him here at WST.

[@cavemanluv9651]

Avs fan here ….first time I watched your show …..impression is that it’s refreshing that you guys are objective in your analysis ….. Sometimes I can’t watch Avs local guy cause he’s what you call a poor winner and loser if that makes any sense …instead of being objective. Keep up honest analysis guys thanks

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks so much for the comment, means alot that you would take the time to write that. We try our best to be objective. Just a heads up these are just special post game shows for the playoffs, normally we are live at 1pm CT/12pm MT on Monday-Friday. Really appreciate you taking the time to weigh in!

[@ScifiFantasy-jc9gw]

Hi guys Im new to the nhl after watching a bunch of games the jets are my team for sure and i already feel the pain of seeing us losing in the playoffs Im glad to be a fan of such a great teamm GO JETS Your Fellow jetsfan from america

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Welcome! Thanks for the comment c

[@qp2044]

Cant speak for everyone, but i enjoy all the different perspectives talking about the series in winnepeg. The locked on and DNVR crews do a great job covering the Avs, but hearing other perspectives is also part of the fun in the playoffs. Trying to catch every game recap from every market your team plays in just isnt possible during the regular season, but in the post season its fun to visit after the games

[@SportsTalkWPG]

It is. Thanks for watching.

[@njt12398]

The fact that the Jets finished the season with 110 points and have to play a team like the Avs in the first round shows why we need a 1v8 or 1v16 playoff format. 😂😬

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Yes I am not a fan of the current playoff format. The Jets finished 2nd in the Conference and the Avs finished fourth. Under 1v8 they would have had to play the Kings.

[@lukebunch7630]

Cry me a river play the team you got and play it. Then you are saying avalanche are way better then there seed which they are. Didnt everyone say avalanche were the easist team to play in first round and who are we going to play in second round 😂😂😂

[@CJ-1776]

Yeah I don’t like it either. Too much firepower in those middle seeds. It seems like a true contender goes home early every year

[@pomerlain8924]

I've never liked the format because it basically front-loads the playoffs in the first round, and match-ups get less intriguing the further the playoffs go. You want the best teams in the conference to have a chance to play each other in the second round and conference finals. Not the opening round.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

@@lukebunch7630 I don't think anyone said the Avalanche were the easiest team to play in the first round. We've been saying this playoff format stinks for years, it's not a new take. Every team in the West is good there are no easy matchups like in the East.

[@BrickBoneWPG]

Ava are just much better. We have NO real game breakers. We're a good team. Not a Stanley Cup Team.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. The Avs have certainly looked much better for the majority of this series.

[@prongATO]

Classy video! One thing, it’s Na-CHOO-skin. I’ve noticed a lot of really cool, respectfully, classy fans in this series. No matter how it goes, don’t change that Winnipeg.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but if you aren't glad you enjoyed.

[@prongATO]

@@SportsTalkWPG I was being 100% serious.

[@itsJRey]

I picked the Avs to win the cup back in preseason. They're just built for a deep playoff run. Big, fast, skilled, hungry, and tough mentally. The Jets are getting outplayed on every level, including at their own game, which this season was playing team defense. It is quite disheartening, though, as a fan to go into playoffs feeling pretty decent based on our success this season and then it just... collapses so depressingly. At times in game 4 I thought I was watching the lackluster lineup of the 2012 Jets with all the turnovers, terrible neutral zone play, and the penalties.. please make it stop..

[@SportsTalkWPG]

thanks for the comment. The Avs top end talent is something to watch. The Jets aren't playing the game that got them to 2nd in the West for sure. It's crazy the difference. Maybe they can wake up from this nightmare.

[@eyemh8]

You keep really good game notes.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks, it's tough to remember everything and I like to make sure I am prepared when we do this.

[@luisbatista1103]

Sadly we are in trouble ....hope we win Tuesday BUT it don't look good

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Won’t be good if it’s a repeat of game 4.

[@jimharle6217]

I was picking the jets to win this series, especially after game one. With Hellebyuk and the team allowing the fewest goals, and with Georgiev at the other end. I wasn't confident. The Avs turned into playoff mode, made some major adjustments on defense, and here we are. I'm surprised how the Avs turned it up. And really surprised they've put up 22 goals in 4 games on the jets.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

I don’t think this is going the way many thought. Thanks for the comment.

[@nerdiousmaximus2222]

Avs fan - very fair and balanced assessment of the game. I expected better team D from the Jets and am surprised at the collapse. That’s said, I don’t think the series is over and I expect a better performance by the Jets in front of the white out Tuesday. Prayers for Vladdy- always liked him when he was in CO (part of the Matt Duchene trade) and glad to see him fitting in well for you.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Hey now. Thanks so much for the great comment. It means alot. It's strange because we haven't seen the Jets play the game that made them so successful in the regular season. They look like a different team, they're struggling to get any extended possession. It's definitely possible they wake up from their slumber and show up in Game 5 to extend the series. Vlad has been a really nice fit here, that as scary to watch. Appreciate you watching and commenting.

[@seancolorado]

y'all are classy af i wish more sports outlets were like this

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the great comment!

[@alyssainnis4432]

That’s why Canadians haven’t won a cup since being lead by a jerk in Roy…too polite. The most polite Canadian on the Avs is Makar lol.

[@anthonym6078]

Gotta say, I'm an Avs fan, but really enjoy your guys' analysis. Not sugar coating anything and telling it how it is. This series has gone a little differently that I expected, but I also know that win #4 is going to be by far the hardest to get in this series. I'd bet the farm we see the best version of the Jets in Game 5 (I imagine the Avs will need to weather the storm early on with the crowd giving the Jets extra energy). Hopefully the Avs can finish the job, this has been one hell of a performance from the Avs but the job is far from done in this series. Also, hopefully Dillon and Namestnikov are both alright, you never want to see anyone get injured the way they both were. Good luck to you guys in Game 5, may the best team win.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

thanks so much for the great comment. hopefully for us the series goes a few more games.

[@mrjupiter80]

Bummed for Namestnikov. He was a really good guy when he briefly played in Colorado. Hope it's nothing serious.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

🙏 hopefully he’s ok.

[@Dave-jo1hf]

What I’ve noticed about the Avs. Bednar, all season has been mixing up his lines. It really doesn’t matter what combo he throws at you. He has his core special teamers. The rest he can change from line to line, depending on the situation, and they just don’t skip a beat.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the insight. We definitely saw a different Avs team during the regular season than what we're seeing right now.

[@Jul15227]

Hopefully Dillon and namestnikov have a quick recovery, definitely been a rough series. Personally i dont understand the hellybuck hate, dudes facing 30+ shots a game, lot of high danger ones

[@SportsTalkWPG]

I don’t think we came off with any Hellebuyck hate at all. I hope you mean in the comments.

[@Jul15227]

@@SportsTalkWPG not from you guys just social media in general

[@HereRightNowEternally]

I expected this series to be much tighter. So far at least, Colorado is showing a level I hadn’t seen. It seems they just know what playoffs require and they have a gear we don’t have. Hopefully we learn from this.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Yeah think that’s pretty accurate. Thanks for the comment.

[@daftquo420]

Avs fan here, I'm still kind of nervous. We stunk on the road all year and if the series goes the distance 2 of the next 3 games are on the road.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for weighing in. We'll have to see what happens. The Avs look like a different team now than the one we saw in the regular season.

[@trentmckay1055]

Now that Helly absolutely knows this team always folds come playoff time I can't imagine him putting up with it for more than one more season. On top of that, there is no way Brossoit is our back up next year. This team without their goal tending would be lucky to get 80 points in a season!!

[@goodman7097]

Your team is just on the wrong side of the AVS finding and whole other gear in the Playoffs. Even Avs fans are shocked at how they are playing because watching the last 3 weeks of the season they didn't look like this at all.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

thank you for the insight. the Avs have found a gear way above the Jets, way different than the team we saw a few weeks ago when the Jets won 7-0. still can't wrap my head around what happened in that game.

[@kalebmcdaniel9147]

I’m not shocked I knew this would happen. The avs always do this in the playoffs I don’t know how it’s shocking the avs did the same in 2022 I dunno how no one else saw this coming lmao

[@Factus66]

Avs fan in Denver. You guys are great. You must be shell shocked... I did not expect this series at all, even with a very recent 7-0 shellacking in Denver. Same teams, but maybe that was what woke up a sleeping giant in the Avs. (That goal was offside by the way ;)

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thank you very much for the comment. It's crazy to watch the difference in the Jets team that we're seeing this series compared to the one we've watched all season. We expected them to be at least competitive but we're not even seeing that. I think we both said it was probably off-side but not enough evidence to overturn.

[@petrpumpkineater]

Avs fan. I expected Jets to crash Georgiev. Still not fully confident in him. I think if the Jets can give 110% for one period & throw the kitchen sink into his crease, they can break him & make his get emotional. IMO that's their only chance to turn this series around.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. One game one period at a time here.

[@vaguelysober]

Of note, the 22% swing in PK and PP for the Avs is the difference.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Yup

[@bobbyb9918]

Thanks guys for this great game review. It would seem the NHL has a strong tradition of ensuring that the Jets (whether it be 1.0 or 2.0 ) must play the eventual Stanley Cup winner in the playoffs and unfortunately most of the time that happens in the opening series. The Av’s won in 2022 and I believe after coasting into the playoffs they are currently playing like they did that year. If the playoffs were seeded using their regular season results the 4th overall and 2nd place in the West Jets would be playing either Tampa (league overall) or the Kings (conference overall) instead they end up playing the 8th overall and Western 4th place Avalanche. If you ask me The Jets aren’t the FRAUDS it’s the NHL playoff system including awarding “loser points” to further cloud that FRAUDULENT point structure. Regardless… Go JETS Go !!!

[@OneBird.OneWord]

The problem with your view is that they'd eventually have to beat the Avs, and they're not even close. They should at least be close in these games but are being blown out game after game.

[@bobbyb9918]

You are absolutely correct. The reality of the non-seeded NHL playoff structure means that going “deep into the playoffs” isn’t necessarily a great barometer of team’s success. A better indicator of a team’s playoff performance might be the postseason record of the team that ultimately knocks them out of the playoffs. Clearly the Av’s are currently outperforming the Jets and Winnipeg will need to significantly improve their play if they are to advance to the second round. But should the Jets lose to the Av’s are the Canucks a better playoff team than the Jets just because they beat the Preds and have advanced to the second round?

[@OneBird.OneWord]

@@bobbyb9918 after the Jets are eliminated, if the Canucks defeat the Predators, whether the Jets or the Canucks are better is irrelevant, trivial idle speculation.

[@bobbyb9918]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. It’s true “ifs and buts” aren’t going to help the Jets play better in game five and the playoff format is what it is. Once again It would seem that the WST chat provides a strong focus on the path forward !! Go JETS Go !!

[@xzryanxzx]

Avs fan here. I didn't want to face the Jets round 1. Because the Jets are my second team. The Avs have been taking command of this series. However, I thought the Jets played better in the third. The Avs struggle with teams that are more physical. If they can play like that through a full 60, they have a chance. Yeah that Avs second line has probably been their best line. Lehky and Mitts. have been lights out.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. Jets have shown flashes, like for two periods in Game 3 but it hasn't been enough. The third line for the Avs has been good to with Colton/Wood.

[@CC-vDog]

A friendly fyi that it's Ni-CHOO-shkin. The Choo-Choo train! 😊

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks someone pointed that out. I have to pull up the pronunciation to confirm this stuff before I open my mouth.

[@lesliemitchnik8113]

Great recap Remo & Connor. The Jets have just been outplayed in every aspect since game 1. PP is not good enough and the PK is hot garbage. Avs skill is just too much for the whole Jets team to handle since they stepped it up after the regular season. Watching these first 4 games you wouldn't have thought the Jets were 3-0 against the Avs during the season, outscoring them 17-4. They flipped a switch and the Jets can't find the switch and have blown the fuse. I don't see the Jets winning tomorrow, sadly I'm going to the game to watch them get eliminated again.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks Leslie for weighing in.

[@fmirza21]

The Avs (with depth this year) look like the 2022 cup winning team. They are relentless. Combine that with some elite talent they should go far on these playoffs.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

We had talked before the series how the Avalanche didn't have depth scoring but all we've seen is their 2nd and 3rd line take over. Mittelstadt/Lehkonen and Colton/Wood have been great all series. The Jets haven't generated much at all.

[@fmirza21]

@SportsTalkWPG I agree. To be honest, 5 on 5 the Avs top line hasn't even been that great, but its just a matter of time before they get rolling.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

@@fmirza21 100% - they could be scary moving forward (assuming they advance)

[@KennysWaterBottle]

I think we will see Cole Perfetti in Game 5, not only because of the way the game went, but also because we are unlikely to see Namestnikov for a while... Speaking of Namestnikov, hope he is (and will be) ok...

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Hopefully he is OK. That was pretty shocking.

[@areacode911]

FETTI IS TOO SLOW. HE WILL NOT BE ABLE KEEP UP WITH THE PACE.

[@whypothetical]

Yeah, that was a brutal puck. I gasped when I saw the replay.

[@AlphaDawg77]

I will never judge a Jet team during the season EVER AGAIN! They will have to prove themselves in the playoffs from now on, regular season means ZERO!

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. It’s definitely a different game in the playoffs.

[@marie2274]

I was at the game, during intermission, the ice crew had to adjust the offside camera placement. The jets goal was offside. Another thing Lowry gave up on Makar to let him go end to end to score. I guess he was at the end of shift. The jets covered MacKinnon sometimes by two guys but forgot about Makar, Rantanen, Nichushkin and other players. The Avs will finish off the Jets Tuesday. Jets hung their goalie out. Side note hope Vlad Namestnikov is ok, it was a terrible shot. Jets are losing players from injuries. Jets Coach is being out-coached by Bednar and his coaching staff. The only thing funny was Avs fans started chanting 'Pull the goalie'. Funny.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. Yeah we both said it probably was off side but you couldn’t overturn it based on available evidence.

[@marie2274]

@@SportsTalkWPG Agreed, I found it funny that the ice crew came on the ice to adjust that camera placement. One thing about that call, Avs video person wouldn't tell Bednar to call for a review if he wasn't absolutely sure it was offside. Hopefully Jets fans aren't saying the refs didn't favor the Jets because they did. Too many missed calls on the Jets. The penalty on MacKinnon was soft. Just my thoughts as a person being at the game.

[@jacksonlamperes1010]

Playoffs are just different.. I’ve been saying it for weeks, avs in 5.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

definitely looks different! thanks for the comment.

[@jamesdickerson3941]

The AVS are just better.... They prepared for the regular season AVS and got something completely different

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Avs look like they’re playing a different game.

[@STEM-inist]

I still believe but my optimism has waned.

[@sherisseholtom3338]

Winnipeg and Toronto are mirror images. Great regular season teams with no sandpaper or killer instinct to win in the playoffs. The question is which team will blow up their core first?

[@WW3_Soon]

Jets: Two of their core guys Scheifele and Hellebuyck will be here for the next long seasons. Leafs: Nylander will be there for the next 8 seasons and most likely Marner (1 + 8).

[@cavemanluv9651]

What’s your take on how the Jets dominated the Avs in during the season? It’s not over yet I know, but the jets D seems struggling, eye test seems jets not much in offensive zone… Noticed the Avs 2nd, 3rd, 4th line has stepped it up ….simple as that? Is Helybuck struggling? haven’t watched him before this serie?

[@SportsTalkWPG]

I would have to go back and re-watch but we're not saying the same Jets team. The Jets D aren't able to handle the pressure and get to the forwards quickly to generate any offense and the Jets forecheck isn't there to prevent the Avs from gaining the zone. Nothing is working for them.

[@CJ-1776]

I think there is also a ‘been here before’ with the Avs. They know how to win playoff hockey. This is like 7 straight seasons and a SC in ‘22. They were super banged up and had depth issues last year. Anyone who thought that team is an easy out is delusional.

[@RoyyMak]

I went to both games in Colorado....humiliating, lol

[@SportsTalkWPG]

did you last the whole game this time?

[@RoyyMak]

@SportsTalkWPG , lol, l did the first game because it was 2-1 going into the 3rd. But the second one l walked out after the 2nd, lol, thank God, there was a hat trick and everything l would have been roasted alive,lol

[@SportsTalkWPG]

@@RoyyMak oh man. game 4 was rough

[@RoyyMak]

@@SportsTalkWPG, it was brutal to sit through

[@areacode911]

PP FIRST UNIT THEY NEED NET PRESENCE MAKE LIFE HARD. THEY NEED TO DO MORE SCREENS AND WRIST SHOTS TO GET A BOUNCE AND ARE MORE ACCURATE. THE AVS ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING SIMPLE GAME TRAFFIC AND WRIST SHOT

[@alangrant5684]

I hope Jets can win the cup before entropy becomes a major factor.

[@roleynoley6410]

I swear to god the jets are turning into the leafs of the west. I just want to see one good run, its been 6 years.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Getting close to Leafs territory. At least the Jets have won more rounds than the Leafs in the last 20 years.

[@pomerlain8924]

And the main difference between that Jets team in 2018 and this one is the defense. That d-corp didn't leave Helly out to dry constantly and they could ALL move the puck. And everybody bought in. This team doesn't have that.

[@kadendavis7202]

Whomp whomp

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Pretty much

[@matthewungar2138]

Am an Avs fan but props for all the analysis. Appreciated. Liked 👍

[@SportsTalkWPG]

glad you enjoyed. lots to like about the Avs game. thanks for the support!

[@CJ-1776]

Everyone cusses the refs man. If hockey fans aren’t cussing the refs it would feel weird. 😂

[@SportsTalkWPG]

😂😂 thanks for making me laugh

[@chumleye1112]

Jets stars are not playing like stars, Avs stars are and even their 3rd and 4th liners are playing over their heads right now. Getting out goalied too (I don't understand why everyone thinks Helle is God, he is not playoff material as he is getting beaten by Georgiev). Lets be real, the Jets stink right now and will not win 3 straight, let alone 1. Given that I hope the Avs finish them off at the funeral on Tuesday and get rested up so they can beat the crap out of Vegas - now that would be justice .

[@SportsTalkWPG]

That would be one positive coming from the Jets losing in 5, the Avs would be rested up enough to beat Vegas 😂😂😂 - thanks for making me laugh

[@helenkaiser3145]

Don't the jets have a defenseman that played with the jets down with the moose they could bring up

[@jeffgrant8228]

This current playoff format is ass. No way these two teams should be playing each other first round. Furthermore, the Jets fans taunting the AVS the first two games surely backfired on them.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

It is a seven game series for a reason. Not over until it's over.

[@areacode911]

THEY NEED TO PUT IN LB HE HAS WON THE CUP AND KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES. IT'S DESPERATION TIME.

[@pomerlain8924]

This is factually wrong. He doesn't know what it takes. He was not on the ice to win that cup. He was hurt. He played well before he got injured. But Hill went on to backstop the team to win the cup.

[@bdnmb6822]

But he did beat hellie in round one and then got hurt so who really knows what might have been if he hadn’t 🤷‍♂️

[@areacode911]

@@pomerlain8924 i stand corrected. LB out performed 37 in the playoffs last year before his injury. 37 needs to sit because the the Avs have his number. Time to shake things up. It’s elimination game and it’s time to play desperate gritty hard nosed hockey.

[@WW3_Soon]

How would it look to replace the best goaltender on Earth with the series on the line?

[@areacode911]

@@WW3_Soon it’s a team game. It’s not about one player being number one. Clearly he needs a reset. Time to switch things up.

[@raymondleemanpaper]

Jets look so much better on paper.😂

[@SportsTalkWPG]

2nd in the Western Conference! Tied for 4th most points in the entire NHL. It's almost hard to believe.

[@kalebmcdaniel9147]

Huh? How?

[@rudeboy4710]

Some of this does fall on bones for sure. We can all question his lineup decisions(Stan and Ajf in over miller and fetts). But his system was good enough for 52 wins, a Jennings trophy, and 8 wins in a row to close out the season!! They have not played the system in any shape or form. When push comes to shove this core has repeatedly shown they cannot get it done! Full stop end of story. 27 has been totally invisible. 81, 13, 23, and Toffoli are not doing what they are paid to do. Where’s the fight and the depth. This team has told us the fans that they are deep and they are different than last year but it seems they have duped us all again. Worse than that they appear to be lying 🤥 to themselves and consider their effort to be good enough. If they bow out in this fashion again it really begs the question of where do they go from here? Major changes would be needed but true north seems loathe to move of this core of softies!

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thanks for the comment. They haven't looked like the same team at all. The Avs depth has outplayed the Jets depth. The Jets can't stop anything and they can't score. Not a recipe for success.

[@pomerlain8924]

There was a stretch in the first period where the Jets were outshot 13-1. When Makar scored his goal, the shot advantage was 27-13. It's easy to rag on Hellebuyck, but where is the rest of the team? Where's the defense? Where's the offense from the star players. The top line is not performing like a top line. The second line is non-existent. The Jets' players just seem to shrink in the moment. This is not the regular season. Depth is great in the regulat season, but in the playoffs, you need your best players to carry you, and it's not happening and they don't seem to know what to do to fix it. The Avs are playing their game, while the Jets are not even trying to play their own game. If anything, this highlights what I've been saying since last season. The blue line is not good enough. It's simply Morrissey and 5 other guys. Pionk is a trainwreck. Schmidt can't handle the puck. Stanley is slow and takes too many penalties.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Thank you for the well thought out comment. Appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.

[@johnmclaughlin763]

Jets just aren’t fast enough. The Makar goal was incredible as an Avs’ fan and should be embarrassing for the Jets FO

[@pomerlain8924]

@@johnmclaughlin763 And the Jets claim to be big on developing young players, and we constantly hear about them on the AHL team. But none of them are ever called up, except when it's the last game of the season. Too much deference continues to be paid to the veteran guys, even when they're not performing. And that's on top of the fact that the Jets had a guy like Declan Chisholm, who was probably the second-best skating defenseman the Jets had, and he was lost for nothing on waivers as Logan Stanley was protected over him. Ville Heinola had won the job to be a regular on this team, and he gets hurt in the last game of the preseason. And once he got healthy, he never got another chance to play on the main team, as again Logan Stanley was prioritized over him. The Jets another D-man in Leon Gawanke, who tied for the AHL lead in defensemen goals last season. And he never got a chance on the main team, and wound up signing a contract to play for a team in his home country of Germany. The Jets organization wants to develop young players, but they don't want to give them a real shot to play.

[@johnmclaughlin763]

@@pomerlain8924 Pomerlain, it's tough. A smaller market team is under unbelievable pressure to stay relevant and competitive all the time. In reality, to build a championship contender you have to take your medicine for 3-5 years. The Avs certainly did it to rebuild with our players when they were young. We are a small to medium market team but it's different here. The Broncos and Nuggets are also big stories and we had already won two Cups since the Avs got here. So the pressure was not nearly as high as it would be in Canada in a city dominated by hockey and that lives for their team. You guys will have to play the young guys, build from within and put up with some losing. Probably won't happen. I've seen what hockey is like in Canada. You guys are awesome fans, but the teams like Winnipeg are the entire sports report nightly. So losing is generally not an option.

[@areacode911]

I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, JETS HOPING TO STAY OUT OF THE BOX IS NOT THE ANSWER, PENALTIES WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE REFS. THE PK NEEDS TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND NOT LET THE AVS SET UP.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

Fair comment. The PK has been in the bottom third of the league all year.

[@zlvirag]

Agree with the 'team collapsing', at various points. But, you have to admit, unless this is the first NHL playoff games you have ever seen, the refs can suck the will to win out of you. And they are doing it to the Jets. Sure, when there is 6 minutes to go in the third, and a team is down by 3 or so goals, well 'lets give them a few calls and see if they can come back'. Yeah, sure, against the Avs? who are they trying to fool? I have lived through and coached through many playoff games, from hockey, to ringette and even high school volleyball where the refs decided who was going to win, sometimes even before the games started. No doubt, the Avs. are the better team in this series, but holy s....., let the two teams decide who wins. Good luck to the other Canadian teams, they surely will need it. Go Jets, Oilers, Canucks, and yes even Toronto.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

thanks for weighing in. No question the Avalanche looked dominant on the ice.

[@trevorrolland501]

Chevy simply hasn't built a playoff team. Too many small guys.

[@pomerlain8924]

He never upgraded the defense. People claim this is the best defense because that had 34-game 3-goal or less streak or allowed the fewest goals, but in actuality, outside of Morrissey, the blue line is too slow. And when we do have capable blueliners, we either don't play them (Heinola) or we lose them for nothing (Chisholm). And all the while the Jets keep protecting Logan Stanley and thinking Pionk and Schmidt are good enough.

[@TroyStevens430]

Watching this series it's become clear the Jets don't have much of an identity. They're not a big physical team. They're not a fast & attacking team. They're not a high-skill team. They're really a mish-mash of all the above. It's time for Bones to retire. No way he can come back and sell his system again next year. Ehlers, Monahan & Toffoli all need to not come back next year. Would Lambert, Chibrikov, Perfetti do any worse?

[@SportsTalkWPG]

They had one throughout the season but seem to have abandoned anything that made them the 2nd best team in the Western Conference for 82 games. (at least they did in Game 4).

[@TroyStevens430]

@@SportsTalkWPG Other than being a means to gaining entry to the playoffs, the regular season means nothing. The Leafs are the ultimate example of this. Chevy needs to get players & coaches in here that are built for the playoffs, not winning meaningless regular season trophies.

[@joncutler]

This is not to say that the Jets don't have a part in these losses. But truly the consistency of the refing is atrocious. The Makar play is a good example, Lowry would normally have laid him out, but the Jets don't know what they are even allowed to do to stop a player. Again, the Jets are not playing how they did during regular season and are to blame for poor play, but the NHL referees have been noticeably horrible and its sad nothing is ever done. The league looks like a complete joke and beer league with this officiating.

[@johnmclaughlin763]

Man, Hellebuyck is great. If the Avs had him they’d be a prohibitive favorite for the Cup.The Avs had some injuries during the season to key guys and terrible goalie play for stretches.The regular season just doesn’t matter to a team like the Avs. If the Avs get even decent goalie play they’ll win it.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

they certainly look like a team capable of winning the stanley cup right now.

[@rmf9522]

My only take is that if playoffs are a different animal, why have an 82-game season? I know that the teams need the revenues to pay the players, owers, etc. but what a useless shlog. Just venting. 😁

[@SportsTalkWPG]

everyone needs a good vent once in a while. i understand the frustration.

[@Alx-lt5ei]

You guys complain about the refs non stop but are OK about an offside goal being called a good goal. If that was an Avs goal you'd be losing your minds lol. The offside reviews are ridiculous but you can't have your cake and eat it too... It's OK the Jets got away with it. It happens.

[@SportsTalkWPG]

we both said we thought they were going to overturn it but we'll take the goal. we also said they didn't call a high stick by pionk on mackinnon. we praised the avs for 30 minutes - what more do you want? they dominated.

[@qp2044]

I thought the last show was a bit heavy on the penalty talk. It's easy to start there in a frustrating series from a jets fans perspective. They acknowledged that, discussed the penalties this game, discussed the goal in question, and diddnt linger anywhere. This really isn't a fair criticism of this episode

[@fr33dumb55]

Crazy thought, but why not go back to what worked in game 1. Step up on players, forecheck hard, play loose and score.. trying to be defensive didn’t work and I’d rather watch a series of game 1’s than this garbage entertainment, I turned it off after 5 minutes

[@kalebmcdaniel9147]

Cause it didn’t work in game 1 the avs dominated that game the only reason the jets won is because georgiev put up the worst playoff performance ever

[@edwincgmail4069]

Pathetic team. Never learned a lesson from the past game. I am done with this team if they are eliminated in the first round. Put this team in AHL playoffs and they will lose!