Readers REACT to Netflix '3 Body Problem' (Spoiler-Free and Spoiler Review)

[@roastpork5437]

Context is important. Book 1 = Auggie Salazar, Da Shi, Ye Wenjie, Mike Evans, Vera Ye, Tatiana. Book 2 = Saul Durand, Raj Varma Book 3 = Jin Cheng, Thomas Wade, Jack Rooney, Will Downing Episode 1-5 = Book 1 Episode 6-7 = first few chapters of Book 3 Episode 8 = first few chapters of Book 3 + first few chapters of Book 2 + final scene of Book 1

[@Wordhopper1990]

This is speculation, but I think they’re setting Auggie up to take over AA’s role as well, so she and Jin can stay companions.

[@roastpork5437]

@@Wordhopper1990 She is going to be Sauk's love interest in Season 2, that I am 100% certain about. However, Auggie being Ai AA also makes sense but I am less confident on that because D&D and Woo are not quite there on season 3 plot line yet. If Auggie is Ai AA, then that means they are changing the ending a bit. Not in a drastically different way, but more of a happier ending than sad ending. I do like Auggie and Jin best friends energy, people say Auggie's too sentimental in season 1 but a lot can happen over the years and she is far more outspoken and headstrong than Jin Cheng, that matches Ai AA's personality.

[@NextChapterYT]

Agreed! Super helpful context! Thanks!

[@pelletsburnerandpower]

​@@Wordhopper1990 Could very well be, I thought the same.

[@Wordhopper1990]

Also, the soundtrack choice I liked the best was using Karma Police for the scene with Jack. So good.

[@NextChapterYT]

Love a good soundtrack choice!

[@blackkitty9054]

Hi guys, I think you need to read all books to make sense of the series and understand why some characters are already there.

[@Two-Scoops-]

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[@JDRacing-j2v]

I thought that they split one character up for season 1 too until i read the following books, they are just characters from Book 2 and 3 but it just chronologically happens in book one hence why they put it in series one.

[@NextChapterYT]

Makes so much more sense that way... I definitely need to get Dark Forest read!

[@gosnooky]

As someone who's read the entire trilogy, the reason it's so hard to adapt is how the books were written. Unlike many other works with a huge story arc, the characters are NOT the focus - the concepts and science are. Book 1 (TBP) is pretty much a self-contained primer for the rest of the story, and adapting as-is like the Tencent version does not make good, engaging TV for general audiences, which, let's face it - is the only demographic that matters in this age of fickle, penny-pinching studio execs. Ten years ago, HBO would have gladly footed the bill to produce the entire thing as they did with GoT. Netflix is just different - which is why the sheer amount of lowest-common-denominator garbage is so prevalent there. I think that D&D did well considering the balancing act required to make a decent show that's BASED ON a book series considering the budgeting constraints. I'm looking forward to Season 2.

[@mushroom4rain]

Thanks for the review, it’s so fun watching you guys discuss. You guys kept on saying that there’s 400yrs before the Santi arrives but so they have time to figure it out, but I think it makes sense to start doing something asap because discoveries takes time and manufacturing also takes resources and time to do….so 400yrs to catch up to the aliens isn’t really that long, even if humanity never fucks up on anything, I feel.

[@NextChapterYT]

Good point!! They do need to have the urgency there for sure but I feel like they took a massive high-risk plan when a decade later could’ve had something much better figured out? But then again there’s no guarantee of that…

[@mushroom4rain]

@@NextChapterYT I understand your point too though, I did feel a sigh of relief after realizing it’s 400yrs away but after reading the books I realize the author had much more concepts to explore beyond just science. I look forward to a review of the trilogy after you guys finish reading it :)

[@justaramdomwanderer2490]

To Jaden's question: Auggie + Jin take Wang Miao's role (Auggie sees the numbers and Jin plays the game). Marty should know, but Saul is replacing the lead of book 2; Raj is also a very important character in book 2-3. Will will come back. He is a perfect portrayal of another important character, appearing in book 3.Jack's character has a counterpart in the book too but was very minor, mentioned in book 3 as well. Jin and Wade both are important characters of book 3 as well.

[@justaramdomwanderer2490]

So all of them are relevant.

[@NextChapterYT]

> Will will come back. WHAT.

[@justaramdomwanderer2490]

@@NextChapterYT Sorry I shouldn't have said this... But yeah, otherwise it doesn't make sense they devoted so many time to his story if it doesn't go anywhere. Hopefully you will forget this by then as it probably won't happen until Season 3 which will be in 5 years lol...

[@turgonmiyantur5974]

thanks for this podcast, both of you :) saw the previous one and love this one as well; it captures everything i wish to know about. i watched netflix at first thinking that it was a new title, a very intriguing one actually, and yeah... it was a Ride! subsequently, the story picks up in the middle, and slowed down until the end, except the sophon! and... i immediately watched the tencent 30 episode series, then checkout on tonnes of KZbin videos on what happened in this trilogy, didn't even know that until later. and hence, that's how i bumped into your vid here. really glad to hear how you guys talk about the book and the show. by now, i think i've got the overall BIG picture of all the Eras in all three books! and really love the sociology part of the second, and the third was... i don't even know how to describe it anymore! Mindblown... (i haven't even read any of this printed books!) the dark domain, lines, the Superpower and dimensional distortion and the no. 1 rule about the universe and even More... and how it transcended from the Trisolarian encounters... to the far distance of human civilisation across ... just captivates the inquisitive mind i had. hahaha... yeah, i like Ye Wenjie in Tencent, probably more prominent in the book series. Kudos again for your wrap up!

[@NextChapterYT]

Wow that gets us SO hyped up for reading and watching more of the 3-Body stuff! The inquisitive elements are the absolute best part of the series and why I love the book so much, I can't wait to dive deeper!

[@jameshawkins6201]

I saw the Netflix version first and then read the books. However, I started by reading a part of the first book and was overwhelmed by the names and scientific details. So, then I stopped and watched the series. That really help me visualize what was happening in the books. Admittedly, that means that I first saw it through D&D's eyes. But that really did help. Seeing the differences between books and series, for me, was not an issue. Most of the time, I try to read the books first but then I constantly complain about its adaptation and that ruins the movie/video for me. I have to stop you at 37:48. The use of atomic bombs to help push a small item into "close" to light speed is not ridiculous. It has been around the scientific community for decades. The next thing you say is that they say the humans can get to the Trisolarian fleet in 300 year (the books say 200). You are also forgetting the time it takes to achieve 1% of the speed of light. Using 1000 bombs is that achieving that speed with a small packet will be even shorted than the Tresolarians can do it. It is not 1000 kg. I cannot remember how heavy it really is but basically it is just the size of a brain. In the real projections, they are projecting something in the pound range... just enough for a battery, some scientific equipment, and a radio. I thing the violence was due to D&D's experience with Game of Thrones. They wanted to duplicate the shock value of scene of the kids getting killed.

[@NextChapterYT]

Super interesting insight and context! Thanks!! Honestly wild that the acceleration with bombs is a current idea... never would have crossed my mind but it's super cool! I had a hard time with the 300 years for sure... I should put more thought into it but the fact that the first 3 bombs went off in a matter of minutes in the series makes it hard for me to think it would take years to explode all of them? Especially since the payload is going so fast that it will catch the bombs pretty quickly... Anyway thank you for sharing!

[@verndexter]

I prefer the show to the books, I think the changes enhanced the story and added to the drama

[@NextChapterYT]

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for sharing your thoughts!! Always cool to see what everyone thought about the adaptation for good and for bad

[@verndexter]

@@NextChapterYT ya! Really enjoyed the video. Watched the show first then read all three books soon after. (4 is by a different author?) Amazing series!!!

[@bing6896]

You two are absolutely right! Moving from Beijing to London doesn't necessarily make it an international move. Transplanting characters from diverse backgrounds into the uniform setting of Oxford Five, where all are dating each other, actually undermines diversity!

[@NextChapterYT]

Totally! I didn't feel like I 'couldn't relate' to the characters in China, so felt unnecessary to move everything

[@ronaldflint1741]

​@@NextChapterYTNetflix is under contract for making an English show. The rights holder demanded that the show be in English majority of the time. They have no choice but to cast non Chinese for most of the cast and obviously couldn't film in China during covid and other contractual reasons.

[@jeffbachman2949]

I'm the opposite I found them much more relatable and the had actual human emotions something the novels lacked for me also they were under contrast only allowed to have a certain amount set in China they had to move it to the west

[@ShawnJones]

On the show, it wasn't clear if the other professionals playing the game - whom are only referred to by thier In-Game Historical Figures - were KILLED once they failed to solve the final levels, or of they were sent back to try again OR just jettisoned from the game. It's never explained or expanded on and we're just left wondering, "who tf are they, and what happened to them?".

[@NextChapterYT]

That's a good point! They really just hop into the story for a few mins then we never learn what happened after that!

[@ronaldflint1741]

Sigh... I wish you have read all 3 books then your rating would be much higher heh. For people who know the whole story in 3 books, this season 1 is set up extreme well.

[@NextChapterYT]

We have heard that a lot! Definitely makes me excited to dive into the next ones!

[@alswaniharris]

On the time thing; time is relative. This is the point of einsteins theory of relativity, and the speed affects the perception: time slows (for you) the faster you go, at lightspeed time stops according to the theory. The bomb thing is an old idea.

[@NextChapterYT]

It’s still something that boggles my mind! Haha wouldn’t your cells age at the same rate? So how is it that people go off to space and then come back to meet their great great grandkids? Wild stuff

[@jeffbachman2949]

This was a solid 9 for me I loved this show and I loved the ship scene

[@GhostGaming500Awesome]

Y’all need to know that there is a Chinese version of this show that’s much more of a page by page adaptation.

[@NextChapterYT]

So we’ve heard!! Interesting how many times it has been adapted so far…

[@SchroomMetanoia]

atom bombs and nukes are not the same thing. atom bombs are fission explosives and nukes are fusion bombs, from thermo nuclear explosives. if the atom bomb is ae fire cracker, the nuke is TNT.

[@NextChapterYT]

That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. Marty would disagree though ;) thank you for backing me up in this one!

[@Wordhopper1990]

Oh Marty don’t describe the scene in the cemetery to be exactly from the book! The changes in that conversations are the ones I maybe like the least :( Anyway, my opinion on the show, having read the book and having a science background, is pretty similar to yours. The stars flickering thing is very cinematic, but it would have caused world-wide panic. The ship falling apart was also amped up for tv. I don’t like why they just let the fires burn for a while, because the whole point was to be quick enough in order for no one actor/agent to be able to destroy the information. But they let half the ship burn down. The character changes, though unnecessary, grew on me. They set up the main characters for the second and third books from the beginning. It could have been Chinese characters, though. You guys seem to be having fun arguing about physics and I’m not sure I should step in haha

[@NextChapterYT]

Yes! Okay this was something I was going to mention but forgot to. 100% agree. The bug and the cemetery was similar and so was the fact that Ye Wenjie was there to share an idea on cosmic sociology, but I think they totally missed the mark. They definitely changed the conversation and everything to the point where I think it was just confusing for the audience. 😂😂 yep our ignorant arguments about physics haha

[@Wordhopper1990]

@@NextChapterYT I’m not going to spoil anything since you haven’t finished the Dark Forest yet, but the two reasons Luo Ji is given why he was chosen as a Wallfacer (he was the last person Ye Wenjie sought out and he’s the only person the Trisolarans specifically want dead) are things he ponders throughout the book. What she says on cosmic sociology got changed to a weird Einstein “joke” that I don’t think does the same job.

[@albin2232]

There is a pop-up edition made especially for Americans.

[@NextChapterYT]

😂😂 I’m going to need to get my hands on that! lol

[@bing6896]

Go to read the 2 other books. It's just getting better and better

[@TheCointreaux]

Atom bombs sounds better than NUKULAR instead of nuclear bombs.

[@NextChapterYT]

Oh yes. Very important point!

[@TheCointreaux]

Fairy Tales!!!

[@NextChapterYT]

Ah yes!! Thanks!! Can’t believe we couldn’t remember that 😂

[@p3r1h4ck3r]

I just finished the three books and I feel they are Masterpieces. However I feel the adaptation in this show is pretty awful. Most of the characters aren't believable in their roles, maybe with the exception of Shi. Auggie is perhaps the most unlikable protagonist I've ever seen on screen. I feel the story is handled clumsily and I don't feel the overall feel and tone of the books has been recreated. I'm very sad that this will be many people's introduction to these amazing books. Hopefully it won't discourage them from reading them.

[@NextChapterYT]

We're really hoping people dive into the books too!! Completely agree too on the Auggie point, really hard to feel drawn into that part of the story...

[@jeffbachman2949]

I have to disagree I read the books and was very impressed how good this show was they actually gave the characters human emotions something lacking in the books and I liked that they leaned into Auntie and her ptsd. Her erratic behavior I found very realistic having known someone who lived with PTSD for a long time. They act very erratic and not always rational

[@p3r1h4ck3r]

@@jeffbachman2949 Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thehobo54]

The chinese show is so much better than the Netflix version.

[@NextChapterYT]

Interesting! Seems to be a common thread with Netflix re-adaptations these days... not sure if you saw our Avatar review but man it was rough :P

[@gosnooky]

The Tencent show should be a case study in film schools as to why books shouldn't be adapted 1:1 to the screen. The pacing was all over the place, the acting was terrible, the graphics worse, and was about twice as long as it needed to be. I did appreciate that it went deeper into the science talk, but even that was drawn out way to long.

[@jeffbachman2949]

I have to disagree. 30 episodes that dragged on and on. Constant flashbacks of scenes we already saw. Repetitive dialog. Chinese censorship changing Be backstory with her father. Lots of side characters that are filler. Tons of product placement and cheesy musical monatges. It looked cheap and like a commercial the way it was filmed. I liked some of it but had lots of issues.

[@bing6896]

Hahaha, again I agree, its so unnecessary for all the blood and killing of kids. I am very disappointed with these two directors.

[@NextChapterYT]

Glad we weren't the only ones! Sheesh! haha

[@gosnooky]

Disagree. It puts the unprecedented threat into perspective. The amount of gore was perfect, not too much, but enough to make people squirm.

[@jeffbachman2949]

Agree it was a fantastic scene