[REAL ATC] Southwest & Frontier COLLIDE at Phoenix (Wingtips clipped)

[@VASAviation]

Well... someone did not work properly here. What do you guys think? =S Previous Video (Piper crash at Reno under bad weather conditions) --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZucgq1redhom80

[@CactusDronography683]

after southwest PUSH APPROVED,that didnt happen.

[@ungebildet]

Whose fault could that be? The pilots are responsive for every movement but the ground crew needs to watch out for other aircraft. Did the pilots pass the clearance along without the "after southwest"? And how did the tug driver not see the southwest aircraft?

[@CactusDronography683]

ungebildet could be alot of faults

[@gasaholic47]

I'm going to have to go with the fault being with the tug driver at the end of the day. The tug had to have a better view of how close that Southwest aircraft was approaching than perhaps the pilot or FO of the Frontier might have had. On the flip side, if the pilot of the Southwest plane had a better vantage point, couldn't he have simply braked if he thought things were getting too tight?

[@CactusDronography683]

gasaholic47 does Frontier use wingwalkers?

[@magicstix0r]

"So what do we do now? Do we get out and exchange insurance?"

[@redlightcivic]

I wonder if they have "accident forgiveness" from All State. "We won't charge you for your first accident!". I wonder if the two pilots got out of the aircraft, exchanged insurance information, snapped a couple of photos with their cell phones and went on about their day? Or, if the pilot at fault got called in the office afterwords. "Hey Bob, we are going to have to take the damages out of your check. Yep, we will deduct $50 from your check every week until its paid for. Shouldn't take more than 150-175 years before you get it paid for.".

[@NaomiCurtis]

Shows why passengers should stay seated until plane at complete stop!

[@N3tech]

wow this is crazy, I was at Phoenix that night stuck for like an hour and a half on the tarmac after flying in from Dallas.

[@vanessaruiz4705]

thanks for these videos, and I cant believe that this plane was pushing back and didnt realize it was too close to southwest.

[@shreddder999]

Totally Frontier's fault. Hope they had unexpired insurance.

[@morteparla6926]

Ooh that's one hell of a situation. The Southwest had clearance before the Frontier, but the ground crew of the airport is who pushed the frontier back into the Southwest, and at the same time the Southwest crew failed to take action when they saw a plane being pushed back on front of them 😬 I wish I know how this ended on the legal side of shit lmao

[@Flyingwithdale]

The emergency vehicle is so small compared to the plane.

[@DasEtwas]

woop!

[@planexshifter]

Why are airports laid out so complicated? It COULD be simple but they make the most convoluted system possible.

[@alexandrabcdn4692]

Communications 101.....listen to instructions.... So avoidable and downright careless of the Frontier pilot.

[@wildgurgs3614]

He did, and read them back. What went wrong is the tug driver didn't give SWA the right of way.

[@martintheiss743]

I wonder how long it will take to get these planes back to their pre crash schedules?

[@jordynamundsen4672]

When was this

[@768lbman]

Few days ago

[@VASAviation]

Watch the first 15 seconds of video.

[@jbob787]

Geez, that's at least $1,000 in damage

[@mrpielover615]

more than that, hell each aircraft is like 40 million thats probably more like $50000 in damage

[@CraZy291]

"at least" 😂

[@ThespianTx]

Well, you're not wrong.

[@2011blueman]

You could eve add an extra zero or two.

[@Bugdriver49]

American 627..."Yeah, we're right behind that Southwest. He is dead nuts on the center line." (Little known industrial standard terminology....lol)

[@RKBA300WM]

It's a highly technical means of measurement.

[@alexrex20]

very highly technical and only used with absolute certainty. lol

[@bobbypaluga4346]

Bugdriver49 Funny, working construction summers while in college it was always, "Just a C-hair too long", or "Move it just a C-hair to the right and I'll nail it to the 2X4".I was never sure what it meant, and I was afraid if I asked, the answer would be something I'd want to forget, but couldn't.

[@austenmaximillian9086]

Bugdriver49 where was dis

[@TTaylor]

Bobby Paluga a cunt hair is equal to a fuzz. It is approximately .001 feet.

[@NaomiCurtis]

First time I heard pilot say, "Do you have a number?" Lol

[@pootubedoodle9467]

Looks to me like the Tug operator and crew screwed up big time. The clearance was to give way to Southwest and they obviously did not.

[@lappilappland3708]

2:13 Min (light Frustrated).... " United 100 ...Can you make a 180 Deg. there WITHOUT hitting the American...?"

[@keyboardbandit]

I'm not a pilot, and I'm not sure why I keep watching these... ok, one more!

[@VASAviation]

Hahaha thanks for watching! :)

[@MattHew-dt3hk]

ATC: After southwest cleared to push Frontier: lolz ok

[@martintheiss743]

ramp captain needed to have people watching that taxi way!

[@alexinaviation]

Matt Hew captain should have waited to tell the pushback driver cleared to push, because some of those pushback drivers are dumb as shit. I mean fuck, the wing walkers should have put up an X or even the driver or pilots. Anybody. Fuck, the passengers on the plane probably knew before anyone they were gonna hit.

[@avanvalenziano]

@@alexinaviation agreed! They use Menzies at ORD and I can't believe some of the stuff ive seen there. a couple years agothey shredded a cone through an engine...smh

[@mdynasty8219]

Avan Valenziano that situation was caused because the damper assigned to work that plane didn’t do ramp related work and was a bag runner, management knew better and thus the result of the situation you mentioned. The tamper in question resigned afterward on their own accord.

[@avanvalenziano]

M Dynasty yeah that’s what I was pretty much saying...frontier uses awful sub contractors. You get what you pay for. Of course it’s ramp/pushbacks fault, and it’s not on the pilot. I’m just saying if I were PIC I’d be cautious when it comes to what ramo crew I’m working with

[@Tanks-im3ps]

They touched tips

[@zeroangelmk1]

Just the tip, fortunately.

[@LightRealms]

Phong Dejesus LMAO

[@bananian]

Phong Dejesus they crossed swords

[@scrolls6211]

They "did the dew"

[@TreyMackSimracingTryhard]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@tohaklim]

American rooting for SWA, nice of them

[@austenmaximillian9086]

tohaklim in my world AA and SW are friends

[@martintheiss743]

Who knows where pilots and flight crews could work next. AMR usually have staff who worked elsewhere in the industry first. They know that life is hellish at Frontier. They just want to make sure their administration does not create a culture of malfeasance.

[@TheProPilot]

That's not a realistic SWA taxi speed!!!

[@bazzinbulgaria4826]

I'm curious to know how you determined the taxi speed...I'm not trolling you, just curious.

[@ColinPrenger]

Bazz inBulgaria Because SWA pilots are known to taxi quite briskly :)

[@OhRums]

Colin Prenger True that, I'm a ramp agent and these pilots be taxing pretty quick when I'm marshalling them in

[@ColinPrenger]

They don't waste anyone's time!

[@111himan]

+Colin Prenger (The Everyday Pilot) LOL SWA pilots be like TOGA power set just before they enter the runway. its impressive to see lol

[@UberDude]

I used to drive tugs and back then we were told that aircraft under tow must give way to aircraft under power. Everything else on the ramp must give way to both including emergency vehicles unless cleared by ground. Now did the pilot inform the tug driver to give way to Southwest as instructed by ground? Even if the pilot didn't tell him, the tug operator is supposed to know that. Last, where the hell were the wing walkers?Supposed to be one on each wing.

[@martintheiss743]

Uber good decision there should be men on the ground walking with the wings yes. I would think they are supposed to inform the tug driver to look at anything on the taxi way yes? Even if they just are curious and don't like to see anything.

[@6teezkid]

UberDude - Totally makes sense to me. Sounds like a given.

[@heaanlasai866]

Great insight, thanks for posting! As the tug driver, how obstructed is your view? The Southwest wasn't at fault, but aren't pilots supposed to look out for obstacles when taxiing? The insurance company may object to part of the claim if they think the Southwest crew should have spotted the obstacle...

[@Chrispbacon94]

1:57 you can hear the frustration in the ATC’s voice.

[@martintheiss743]

Hey Chris would it be funny if a "number" is traced to a Papa Johns off site? I wonder if the FAA permits off site delivery drivers to get sterile cards.

[@Chrispbacon94]

Falcon yes I wanted people to hear why the ATC was annoyed and capture the whole incident

[@irisfields1659]

@@martintheiss743 9

[@tomkeogh6305]

I pushed back hundreds of flights for AWA/US @ KPHX. I always gave way to aircraft, on Taxiway Charlie. Regardless of instructions. Wing walkers should have noticed & held up the "X". Always took my time & was cautious. Even during peak summer afternoons, when we wanted to be back in the shade or break room with a/c.

[@intrepid_wandering]

The Frontier was suppose to wait for the Southwest. He did not.

[@Roadglide911]

Pilot should have checked all his mirrors before puttin it in reverse and backing up. ;/))

[@VASAviation]

Mirrors? Really?

[@GuilhermeGuidugli]

Roadking911 What mirrors? And they don't 'put it in reverse' to push back, that's not how engines work.

[@Roadglide911]

TwinkleToes I was joking damnit. I worked on heavy aircraft for 20 yrs. I think I know how engines work.

[@GuilhermeGuidugli]

K

[@zeroangelmk1]

Easily avoidable by shoulder checking /s

[@MichaelRoma91]

We are just all humans prone to making mistakes at one point or another

[@Drpepperman1885]

mike roma in this industry however, they make mistakes people die. Very very minimal margin for mistakes.

[@MichaelRoma91]

I agree, and that is why this industry is full of stress and thorough procedures. I am studying to become a maintenance technician for planes and my instructors cannot stress enough the strict aspects and regulations that must be followed so you don't unintentionally make a mistake that can cost hundreds of peoples lives in one shot.

[@novaman3509]

mike roma Yea, but that's a multi million dollar mistake.

[@martinlatal_]

NovaMan 350 Hopefully the insurance company paid that

[@lynore4659]

Luckily that mistake didn't cause loss of life

[@3GM65D]

Apparently it's hard to understand what means "After Southwest on your right pushback approved."

[@josephgurgui8686]

6:17 dang, that's a long transmission LOL

[@nickv4073]

So, since a plane cannot go backwards, isn't it the fault of the tug driver that was pushing the plane back?

[@350ZEASZE]

these types of planes do not have that capability to back up with RT.

[@SilvercoyoteGT]

I was workin right next door and I'll tell you that frontier was already pushin back before southwest even turned onto taxiway Charlie. I witnessed the whole thing play out. Frontier was in the progress of pushing already and was heading for the center of the taxiway when southwest came hauling ass and collided. The video timing is off as far as pushback from F9. It was a crazy event. Southwest I feel seen F9 and still tried to squeeze by. On the contrary pushback operator from F9 should have been more aware for surroundings. And to top it all off. From the position frontier was at we always push to the right into alley. I dont know why they pushed the opposite way.

[@TheSjuris]

SLEEP-R Frontier was not cleared to push back at the time. He was told to wait until the Southwest flight cleared. He didn't wait.

[@SilvercoyoteGT]

Steven Juris: correct. He was not. I was just clearing up the fact that the actual movement of the planes was delayed.

[@CobisTaba]

So you are saying he started a push back even before he asked for clearance? or he started to push after he was cleared, but forgot to wait? Still his fault off course.

[@TheSjuris]

Lex Sietses he pushed back before he was cleared to.

[@saphirus1able]

Any idea why Frontier didn't wait for Southwest to completely pass Frontier and proceed further down the runway before Frontier made a move? Wouldn't that, plus clearing the move with ground before proceeding be the proper procedure? Forgive my confusion, I am not sure how this could happen.

[@corporate_flyerguy6708]

It seems like this would have been the ground crews fault. Frontier obviously understood what ground told him, and therefore most likely relayed it to the ground crew. How can the pilots see what aircraft is behind him? He probably assumed Southwest was already clear so he proceeded with the push. Also there should have been wing walkers, for this exact reason. Someone obviously wasn't doing their job or paying attention.

[@Diospectre]

Damn no one told me channel like this existed. Subscribed.

[@VASAviation]

Welcome! :)

[@shreddder999]

Then how did you find it?

[@user-re4hc7yf2m]

this has to be one of the best channels on youtube. i really appreciate the work ypu put into these videos!!

[@VASAviation]

Wow, thanks Scott! :D

[@jameschristmas3206]

That's Frontiers fault, Tower quite clearly said 'After Southwest, cleared to push' and they pushed before it was past

[@demonikfunk]

i love how dumbfounded the swa pilot sounds when asked if they need assistance

[@dbeierl]

The implied question was "why are you sitting there?", and SWA was surprised because the answer to that was "because you told us to".

[@calebniederhofer6529]

SWA is covering his own self for liability. They were doing as instructed by ATC.

[@SteveSalisbury]

The frontier was very quiet on freq. Can't help but think it wasn't as much in the cockpit...

[@ashutoshagarwal4085]

Frontier A320 and the tug operator is to be blamed. I think so. But it all must have started because of Frontier pilots!

[@martintheiss743]

All pilots need to ensure their ground crews know what is going on. And ground captains need to keep awareness of what goes on with the taxi ways. There has to be reasonable expectations that the push back crews give rolling planes their respect.

[@AllHailNannerpuss]

Damn, where has this channel been? I would've subscribed sooner! Great stuff!

[@VASAviation]

Welcome to the family! :)

[@firefly4f4]

2:59: "I told him to hold for him, but he didn't." I had to listen again. Frontier was told to push AFTER SW on the right. He pushed early by how I read this.

[@TheFlyingZulu]

Correct.

[@jmcmillen19]

This is why as a ramper my self when I push I read back the instruction as the pilot told me so neither one of us is not on the same page. also alerts them to double check if I confuse them. and also tells my ground guys as we have wireless coms here's said plan for this push

[@martintheiss743]

And that wing to wing hit is definitely a violation of safety laws?

[@martintheiss743]

Let me guess Jeremy when ground ATC tells the pilots to hit the ramp it is usually a requirement to go to the gates?

[@JuanAdam12]

The Frontier push crew screwed up. That was beyond stupid. Southwest heard Frontier was apposed to wait for them. By the time they might have realized Frontier wasn't going to stop, it was too late for them to avoid contact.

[@dobermanpac1064]

Just one big Snafu... I'm thinking too bad for the passengers....what a day that must have been.

[@regould221]

I was on a flight where our plane was pushed into another. I remember seeing a person running towards the plane and then a bump, that person just started shaking his head. It took 4 hours for the airline to get us another plane.

[@6teezkid]

Frontier repeated back “after Southwest”. AND how does tug just decide to whip out the Frontier without looking? It’s a wonder we don’t have more deadly crashes.

[@prismstudios001]

Meh, That`ll buff right out... Just curious, how often does this sort of thing happen? I would guess more that I might suspect otherwise.

[@plane15man]

Shouldn't the marshalls have seen swa taxiing and held the frontier?

[@556to762]

I. Sorry. But burst out laughing when the AA report the SW was dead on the centre line.

[@milehiaviation]

The Frontier pilots do not have rearview mirrors. Whose fault it is depends entirely on whether they informed the ground crew to push AFTER the southwest. If this information was not relayed, it's technically their fault. If it was relayed, it's the ground crews fault as the pilots cannot see behind them very well to locate the Southwest. But even so, I find it incredibly negligent for the tug driver to push an airplane right into another. Surely they saw it? IMO it's their fault either way as the movement of the aircraft of the tug is largely out of the pilots control.

[@harryandruschak2843]

Seems Southwest did what the tower told him to. Frontier seems to be at fault. Of course, the insurance companies and the airlines will have their own opinions.

[@JoshuaPlays99]

Even if the tug operator was told after the southwest cleared to push. The frontier pilot still didn't make much of an effort to stop the tug.

[@JoshuaPlays99]

Silverlight Unicorn I know this. I'm saying the pilot knew he wasn't cleared to push, he could have repeated himself or hit the brakes. Don't push means don't push. And while it was the tug operators fault I still think the pilot might have been able to make an effort to stop the push. And if he did, good on him, if not then maybe next time the tug driver will pay more attention (if he's not already fired).

[@wildgurgs3614]

"I'm saying the pilot knew he wasn't cleared to push" Emphasis on the word if. Again, the Frontier pilots could NOT necessarily see as much as their own wingtips. But yes, "Don't push means don't push."

[@JohnSmith-jb8rb]

How much would it cost to fix a wing tip? Would they have to replace the entire thing or just splice a new tip on?

[@usaswimmer1020]

John Smith I think they can remove the wingtip piece as a whole and put a new one on. Remember a west jet doing this with a borrowed wingtip from SWA awhile ago.

[@JohnSmith-jb8rb]

Thanks for the reply.

[@Sorenle72]

I know that an SAS A340 lost one of the wing tips when colliding with an AVRO at CPH a few weeks ago. I supposed they must have fixed/sealed the damage somehow, but they've been flying without it for some weeks now. Looks a bit odd to see an assymetric aircraft, since the wing tip still remains on the other side. One'd imagine they've had to adjust a tiny tiny bit with the rudder whilst flying since the aerodynamics now've been different over the different wings.

[@sagarshroff9624]

The frontier pilot seems to be at fault here.. sounds too careless, mostly would've passed the wrong info. After 5 mins of silence, comes up and says...frontier...what are we? 756? That laid back attitude 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Cyberguy42]

I interpreted it more as "I've just spent 5 minutes being chewed out by my company, I'm in big trouble, and I'm stressed". To be clear, I'm not saying there's any excuse for the collision occurring.

[@sagarshroff9624]

@Greased Lightning yes true but he is the one who tells them when to pushback. He should've mentioned that pushback should happen after that plane crosses. Even if we assume he did pass the correct msg and tug was at fault here, the way he answered to the atc was also an issue. "What are we? 756?" Is surely not the way to answer. Should remember your own plane number atleast.

[@sagarshroff9624]

@Greased Lightning mate that's what I said. He either passed the wrong info because he might have been confused, like he was while calling out his own flight no And I guess no matter how many flights you fly in a day, remembering your flight number, specially when you're called, is a basic must. Let's not get toxic as soon as able ffs. In my prev comment, my point was, EVEN IF he passed the correct msg to the tug, he needs to be a little more attentive.

[@iyanmanzano]

first hole, "'after' southwest, clear for pushback" didn't relay to pushback guys, i suppose?, second, guys on the ground suddenly forgot how to check for crap running around, err like i don't know, like a another fucking airplane? 😂😂😂

[@jasoncavitt2043]

Don't these kajillion dollar planes have aft-facing cameras so pilots can make sure the ground crew isn't f**king up?

[@shreddder999]

NO. You've been watching too many Tesla Model 3 driving fails videos.

[@cottagechskitty]

I hope that the Frontier pilot has other job possibilities out there. ATC made it clear that he was to wait until Southwest had cleared

[@MillionFoul]

He wasn't the one pushing the plane. Failure to correctly relay instruction to the ground crew might get you yelled at, but it's their fault if the push you into something, no matter what.

[@OhRums]

MillionFoul Also ground crew has wing walkers they didn't let the push back driver

[@VASAviation]

We can't know if Frontier pilots told the tug to wait for Southwest. If they did, blame for the tug. If they didn't, tug is not to blame.

[@MillionFoul]

+VASAviation As a tug driver, an accident is _always_ the tug driver's fault.

[@ZebPalmer]

you like phoenix? I hear they have an opening....

[@victorc9982]

This is the groundcrew's responsibility. They own the aircraft during pushback... pushback driver's fault!

[@TheBreadBasketOfficialOfficial]

So what happens when they find who is at fault? Do they get fired? Fined? Something like that?

[@bananian]

the pilots need a rearview mirror. 😏

[@DBR00]

Are there any motorcycle officers on this frequency to respond and make a report?

[@joegroaning5695]

Tug driver: inexperienced Wing walkers: useless/non-existent

[@MatthewHill]

I've never heard a pilot ask to copy the tower phone number before!

[@fhuber7507]

If that graphic is accurate the tug driver pushing the plane back was an idiot

[@joeashbubemma]

Doesn't look that bad, just might pull to the left a little....

[@floridaman964]

How does the tug not see a gigantic aircraft coming your direction

[@thegriffin88]

So what now? Do the pilots get out and exchange insurance?

[@KingofCannabis]

"nuts on the centerline" Lmao

[@Rutherford_Inchworm_III]

Best part is how the Frontier pilot was such a ticket-punching little crybaby that he couldn't even be bothered to announce or properly describe the accident to ATC - I bet he immediately called his lawyer on his cell phone while his co-pilot called their union rep...

[@theonearmwolf4956]

not just one. we have 2 crews about to get fired 😂

[@mambonummer5]

I'm kind of curious: what they need the tower number for? Review the incident with the ground controller on duty or just to expres some form of pleasantries?

[@afh7689]

mambonummer5 Probably so that they could ask any questions needed to fill out their paperwork.

[@bazzinbulgaria4826]

It's a lot easier speaking on the phone to the tower and you don't tie up the frequency with chit chat which will be heard by all and sundry. It is also much easier to obtain and possibly record essential info which will be recorded in various reports which need to be submitted. Insurance companies will have an easier job sorting out liability etc. when all the 'side' chatter is absent.

[@Mntlchaos]

I imagine so that someone else at the airline could get a hold of the tower, perhaps?

[@AAAskeet]

I'm sure the airline was getting confirmation of what the pilots informed them and possibly pulling the tapes for insurance claims.

[@martintheiss743]

Mambo the quoted phone number is for the operations officer at the ATC room. It is to report vices, criminal reports flight crew observes, and anything else the FAA needs to file reports for. In this case Southwest pilots asked for their number so they could report the incident and give their view as to what happened.

[@RK-zf4jw]

it's like the two planes bled after crash 😂

[@liammcpherson8866]

I'm not blaming anyone . I wasn't there. My point is that this is easily preventable.

[@VASAviation]

More than easy to prevent this thing. Someone (nobody here knows) did not do his job properly.

[@TheMxcreations]

Any chance you could cover the incident that occurred at Essendon Airport (MEB) a few days ago?

[@michael4506]

Atc did say after southwest. From pics looks like it's at night - visual issue? Tug pushes did they relay to tug properly ?

[@altawashm]

the controller talk a lot of not necessarily information, that nigative controlling or his bored

[@cannedheat300]

Any collision involving a tug crew needs procedural review and *re-edumacation* re: the practice. What were the wing watchers doing? These are costly mistakes.

[@bukt]

I like when the tips touch.

[@jjkhawaiian]

Samantha, look down ;-)

[@martintheiss743]

Simon it is a serious violation of safety rules. Never mind the threat of customer feelings if they decide the tug drivers have no respect to those who are on the taxiway.

[@Probly_a_sweet_potato]

Did someone check on that plane just chillin on the runway? It was there for an awful long time

[@Lil_Alpha]

Those wingtips got a wing cut looking fresh,

[@shreddder999]

Just shorten the other side and go about the rest of your day.

[@kylehattan]

ATC clearly told frontier they were only cleared for pushback after southwest passed 😡

[@EduEnYT]

Copy push approved when clear of Southwest. Nah, JK, we start push NOW

[@FatFreeIce]

lol everyone's reactions. hope he is fired! what the hell was he doing? Jesus it's a human. it's like two buses bumping into each other in a parking lot. shit happens.

[@FatFreeIce]

+Elaini moving at that speed yep. I'm saying it's the same type of mistake for the pilot.

[@wildgurgs3614]

FatFreeIce *Tug driver, not pilot. But yes, the situation is similar. If anything, it's actually LESS dangerous since the WINGS clipped and not the fuselages. Buses don't have wings, so it would've been worse, I dare surmise, had it been bus cabins rather than plane wings. Worse meaning more dangerous for the people inside.

[@PAUL-A]

It's registered as N202FR "Colorado the Big Horn Sheep"

[@ErryKostala]

Frontier pilot: ground, frontier what is it, 756? Forgot the flight name 😅

[@jonoferguson22]

pushback crew done fucked up

[@patchoulicolt7093]

causes accident and is then impatient

[@daflyinhawaiian2]

The tug driver cannot see the SWA4182 taxing by?

[@wildzach]

Also want to point out that wing walkers are useless (i am a former ramp agent)

[@matismf]

So Frontier screwed up and violated his clearance???

[@z4ynRx]

It's the headset man's fault if he was informed properly by the flight deck

[@aldenhunold9829]

I was on the southwest plane

[@toemblem]

Oh no, they touched tips! He was "dead-nuts" on the centerline though.

[@fulcrum2951]

Did the two say no homo?

[@scootdaws25]

Duct tape will fix it.

[@xshawnyxboyx]

I'm just amazed how calm everyone is. If I get into a little fender bender in a parking lot I lose my shit.

[@wildgurgs3614]

Very true. Patience is part of being a good pilot, I've surmised.

[@MarcoMazziniYT]

If these communications are public, why to censor phone numbers? Just asking, I'm curious not polemic.

[@Otacatapetl]

Marco Mazzini If they publish the number, all sorts of crazies will be ringing the tower. Obvious really.

[@MarcoMazziniYT]

Well, not so obvious, as long as the same amount of crazies could obtain that number easily on liveatc.net.

[@Otacatapetl]

Marco Mazzini Where are the phone numbers on there then?

[@Red-Magic]

Okay, pilots of SWA4182 need to work on their situational awareness. That's all I'll say.

[@bdcochran01]

That is an ok position if the pilot can stop both planes!

[@alex321neo]

Southwest 737 was in the right and the Frontier A320 was in the wrong