So much work on this one and so many hours non-stop to have this done by today. Be advised, animations may not be correct + audio is not in real time. Anyway, I hope you find it useful to visualize the situation. From these lines, KUDOS to the air traffic controllers and the emergency services for their job. No delays were applied except for both affected aircraft and the A318 and B757 behind who had to wait for the planes to clear the area and taxi for their takeoff.
@mahiabir6 жыл бұрын
VASAviation - thanks
@kaapstad186 жыл бұрын
VAS Thanks for all the time and effort to make this video
@GerbenWijnja6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for the hard work.
@tucstwo6 жыл бұрын
10:05 he actually says, "Yes, just be advised *The Port Authority plans* to tow you back to the terminal...
@TrailBlazer466 жыл бұрын
VASAviation - Thanks for all your hard work and getting this out to us so fast!
@erictaylor54626 жыл бұрын
If you're going to colide with another airplane, there is no place better to do so as on the ground.
@MohammadAsadullaShareef6 жыл бұрын
Tenerife's 747s do not agree!
@erictaylor54626 жыл бұрын
The plane was not, TECHNICALLY on the ground. It had lifted off just before impact. Also, he was moving at takeoff speed. Even so, there were survivors of that crash. So it was STILL not as bad as it could have been.
@raymondlg78156 жыл бұрын
Mohammad Asadulla Shareef He got a point there. So think about it? Whats worse? mid air collision or ground collision!!
@erictaylor54626 жыл бұрын
Your chances are much better on the ground. It eliminates the second, very often worse secondary impact, with the ground.
@raymondlg78156 жыл бұрын
Eric Taylor True. Even though ground collisions can be fatal as much as air ones. Still with Towers controls etc the chances of that happening are very slim.
@KT89076 жыл бұрын
Now the EgyptAir has to pull to the side to exchange insurance papers so they can be off on their way.
@JoeyLovesTrains4 жыл бұрын
Excuse me sir, I believe we must exchange insurance information
@butter_playzyt12843 жыл бұрын
Ik man that's my home airline!!!
@fhs41373 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyLovesTrains EgyptAir be like: "Please contact us in 15 minutes, we need to expedite a switch to Geico"
@JoeyLovesTrains3 жыл бұрын
FHS it’s was a Jawsh quote
@douggodsoe3 жыл бұрын
Oh, no, that’s gonna buff right out. No need to get insurance involved. A little Bondo, and it’ll be good.
@Archonch6 жыл бұрын
It always makes me happy to see pilots and ATC talking calmly to figure out a solution when the average car driver would be yelling and pointing fingers.
@mathiasnord42086 жыл бұрын
If i was the EgyptAir pilot i would start seeking after a new job. Xd
@deestilo6 жыл бұрын
they got telephony class and of course attitude check training as well I guess, not every drivers.
@InuKun20086 жыл бұрын
You should listen in on Orlando Executive and enjoy the missed approach and go around situations. The controllers really get pissed off because it messes up operations at Orlando International to the south when an aircraft doesn't carry through with the landing at Executive.
@mrbob553045 жыл бұрын
Well, here in Texas, at least one of the participants would be on the pavement bleeding out.
@kriptonis5 жыл бұрын
You have a different perspective on things when you earn 15k per month. Things seem... simpler.
@victoriacyunczyk3 жыл бұрын
ATC: There's a 757 behind you. Speedbird: Very well. Classic British response.
@morthren3 жыл бұрын
I think he said: 'No worries'
@victoriacyunczyk3 жыл бұрын
@@morthren Still pretty much the same effect.
@Phili2012 Жыл бұрын
These things happen, can I have a cuppa whilst we wait.
@JimPekarek6 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed with ATC gives about 17 instructions in one giant sentence to a pilot. How can you remember all that? I was always terrified flying into large airports for exactly that reason.
@joshualandry31606 жыл бұрын
You use a kneeboard plus short hand.
@pilot411866 жыл бұрын
all of us who operate daily put of jfk, ord etc
@user-re4hc7yf2m6 жыл бұрын
most people write it down.
@mike_oe5 жыл бұрын
As Joshua states above: Kneeboard and short hand. And if the pilot is on top of things, he foresees 2/3 of what's thrown at him.
@alphasiera17575 жыл бұрын
Writing it on mcdu scratchpad
@RellyOhBoy6 жыл бұрын
Lol That Speedbird flight just wanted to get the hell outta there.
@megabyte1124 жыл бұрын
RellyOhBoy SpeedBird is the callsign for British Airways.
@TheByard4 жыл бұрын
@Pop Films All fuel used in a delay is a concern as the minimum journey plus safety margin fuel is loaded. Unlike boats where we load enough for a return to departure port or another port. should there be a problem not getting into original destination.
@jonb64174 жыл бұрын
And can you blame him? It's a shame he didn't have room to get to the runway.
@RellyOhBoy4 жыл бұрын
@@megabyte112 No Shit Sherlock.... that's what I said. He was the aircraft behind the Egypt Air flight. He was making radio calls trying to see if there was away to squeeze around him to get to the runway. Like I said, he wanted to get the hell outta there.
@RellyOhBoy4 жыл бұрын
@@jonb6417 if Egypt air were up a bit further he coulda made kilo 2 to the runway. atleast he had a front-row seat.
@BobSmith-tb7rw6 жыл бұрын
"Tower... I think the Egyptair hit our left wing!" "Alright"
@Dowlphin6 жыл бұрын
CNN: "Right-wing muslim hits left-wing Atlantic virgin in distress"
@bisexualsmoothtalker12705 жыл бұрын
Dowlphwin I want to punch you for that bad joke, but I also want to thank you for it
@husseinmohammed14315 жыл бұрын
@@Dowlphin ohhhh I didn't get it at first lmao
@Dowlphin5 жыл бұрын
@Tresden The Craln - Yeah, would probably have worked better with FOX in this case.
@Mostlyharmless19854 жыл бұрын
What you heard in that one, single defeated word is “well, my night is fucked, and so is yours.”
@fras4443 жыл бұрын
4:32 'Ladies and Gentlemen..." "this is your captain speaking..." "if you look outside the left hand side... You will see what happens when two wings touch...." " Your flight has now been cancelled." "Thank you for flying with....."
@peridianejones38593 жыл бұрын
*"Thank you for taxiing with...."
@Sky_Guy4 жыл бұрын
After the desperate hour-long struggle of the captain, Speedbird 2 being able to taxi to 31L via Kilo was the happy ending I so desperately needed.
@krakenmetzger4 жыл бұрын
The only thing I've learned from this channel is never fly to Kennedy
@TheJoshXGames4 жыл бұрын
Lol! I’m from NY and that is a very good idea. I hate flying to JFK, always so many delays and problems. I even had a pilot joke once that he was glad we only had a 15 minute delay and that was good for JFK. Last time I was there we had to wait for 20 minutes because there was no ground crew there to bring our plane in
@andrewg23224 жыл бұрын
You mean never fly to la guardia
@2011blueman4 жыл бұрын
Especially now that Kennedy Steve has retired.
@osamaal-humaimidi14814 жыл бұрын
dont worry, the bullet got to him first
@TheMasterhomaster4 жыл бұрын
TheJoshXGames JFK is the best airport compared to LGA and EWR.
@jr132274 жыл бұрын
Imagine the nightmare this little incident caused for the passengers and airlines. Especially because they are away from their home base and no extra airplanes.
@bradfigiel22034 жыл бұрын
Interesting how controller relied on car 99. She was the only one that was clear, concise and seemed to have a clue
@Deadmarsh814 жыл бұрын
Agreed, car 99 always seems to be on point.
@PurtyPurple2 жыл бұрын
It might've just been me, but tower controller sounded genuinely relieved to talk to someone who could give him pertinent information quickly and concisely.
@sverigeaao51962 жыл бұрын
@@PurtyPurple I reacted to this too, like car94 was an embarrassment.
@BlueBagger83 Жыл бұрын
@@sverigeaao5196 Car 94 sounded like they were definitely a newbie... or inconvenienced in the middle their pizza delivery.
@CuthbertNibblesАй бұрын
You can hear it in the way he issues runway clearances at 11:09 vs 15:47 . 94 gets slow, clear instructions, 99 gets the rapid-fire. So satisfying listening to two pros on the same wavelength getting shit done.
@GeneralSeptem4 жыл бұрын
The virgin "I suck at parallel parking" vs the Chad "Lol, what side view mirrors"
@setj23683 жыл бұрын
My favourite thing in these clips is hearing British pilots say ‘understood’. It just sounds so good in our accent 👌
@IANinALTONA6 жыл бұрын
nice! one small remark: if preferred when the planes had the same color as the captions. much clearer that way!
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
That's the way I did it before but I'm trying new things. I've worked a lot to have planes painted on company colors but I've thought of a new thing for better visualization ;)
@humanperson3355 жыл бұрын
@@VASAviation I have to say, its a lot of work going into these animations and audio sync ups. Company colors is definitely good and provides a kind of realism. If I may make a suggestion, can you add the taxi and run way letters on the animations. Although, its possible to id from the audio, having the letters would make it easier to follow along. :) Keep up the good work.
@VASAviation5 жыл бұрын
@@humanperson335 Go watch most recent videos with all that now implemented :)
@okkcomputer5 жыл бұрын
@@VASAviation keep the livery colour!
@jimknapp87314 жыл бұрын
I'm finding some of the text colors (light blue and red) very hard to read on my android. Trying to find a way to improve their visibility, but can't replace my old eyes.
@JeniousJustin5 жыл бұрын
That controller seemed like he was overworked, he kept having to correct himself, and sounded like he was exhausted.
@VASAviation5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to JFK.
@raemills30894 жыл бұрын
This airport is notorious. According to Kennedy Steve you can only do control successfully for about 60 minutes ; 75 max. (He has an interview on here with Capt - Joe I think ?) . It's exhausting and never ending. I feel like the learning curve is steep.
@garyhost3542 жыл бұрын
They need to suck it up. America is the rapinhoe generation now.
@imjustsomeguy726 жыл бұрын
Car 94 was obviously being driven by the new guy :D
@rixille4 жыл бұрын
It's really impressive how well coordinated and efficient the controllers are with the ground crew and the airliners.
@DavidsGameChannel6 жыл бұрын
When Kennedy Steve retied...KJFK Ground is messed...
@GameWizzard28434 жыл бұрын
This is a common misconception. These planes were just high fiving each other.
@CoffeeMatt102 жыл бұрын
They high fived and broke each other’s hands, snapping a few digits off in the process.
@TheBluBalls6 жыл бұрын
GND - "Don't stop the aircraft from moving" 986 - "Ok copied 986 stopping the aircraft now" Me - "Oh FFS, really?"
@maryhunter63896 жыл бұрын
@generic username - I was taught that our brain is slower at understanding negatives. KEEP MOVING for instance works better than DON'T STOP. You first hear the word stop and want to respond to that before the 'don't' sinks in. I think the ATC should phrase their sentences better.
@rogerwilco24 жыл бұрын
Might also be a problem with not being a native speaker.
@simonhouel19844 жыл бұрын
Plus, he's the guy that initiated the collision, so ...
@vividthespis3 жыл бұрын
Apart from the collision itself, this is a classic example of professional radio work and competence from all involved. I'm actually impressed with JFK here for once.
@webredraptors Жыл бұрын
Layman here. How could this have been avoided (aside from having more cautious pilots)? Could ATC have instructed Virgin to pull all the way forward on the run-up pad in order to deal with the technical problem, then instructed everyone else to use K2 to access the runway? Or would some of those planes have needed the full length of the runway to takeoff?
@thegreat_I_am11 ай бұрын
They instructed the Virgin pilot to pull over as far as he could. Obviously that wasn’t enough. Egyptair should’ve refused to move until the Virgin aircraft was removed or wing walkers were provided. Then again, if you’ve ever driven in Egypt, nothing they do would surprise you!
@officergregorystevens57656 жыл бұрын
Lol Car94 was looking for some kind of advanced runway crossing clearance.
@Alex-us2vw5 жыл бұрын
Yeah his first call he was essentially clearing himself till the controller schooled him. You would think people spend their entire shift in the airport would understand the operating procedures.
@richarddaugherty85835 жыл бұрын
Sounded like Car 94 needs training on radio procedures. Too many excess words irrelevant to what he's trying to ask/communicate. Distracting, confusing, wasting time.
@coolbear64413 жыл бұрын
Car 54 where are you?!..Missed opportunities there😇😇
@JennyWinters Жыл бұрын
@@Alex-us2vw well here in 2023 we had that poor ramp worker sucked into an engine after two (2) safety meetings about the plane not being able to stop engines till the ramp hooked up the electricity.
@DBR003 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for the two planes stuck behind the two that were engaged in a love tap.
@RyanBlackhawke3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they were both like REALLY? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WITH THIS?
@ih82r83 жыл бұрын
Especially when the one was advised to pull as far right as possible and then barely moves right.
@magic36462 жыл бұрын
@@ih82r8 Casual woman response, but they are not that big, especially for an a330 and a 777 next to each other, the controller should of made him wait on K1 not the ILS holding point.
@kepler2404 жыл бұрын
how in the Hell do these controllers do this everyday? I'd be so damn stressed out, I'd go full scale George Costanza berserk the first hour.
@HS-PGX5 жыл бұрын
I literally just realised I had flown this exact 777 from Cairo to Heathrow and did not realise this had happened. Lol
@hashtagjeff67274 жыл бұрын
Aiyaphol Kemapuckpong LoL
@treyn80702 жыл бұрын
You would really think the airlines would inform their employees about something like that. We need something like carfax for planes and call it wingfax.
@JennyWinters Жыл бұрын
We need WAZE for air traffic problems.
@tomatosofficial11244 ай бұрын
@@treyn8070 Doesn’t matter. Its irrelevant info.
@mohitmasand6 жыл бұрын
Damn, these pilots need some blind spot monitors 🤣
@m.m.67572 жыл бұрын
I was onboard the Virgin Atlantic aircraft. It’s nice to see insight as to what actually happened.
@jamie123b Жыл бұрын
Did you feel much of a jolt? Did you know you collided with the other plane
@m.m.6757 Жыл бұрын
@@jamie123b yes we knew. It hit hard
@MUFC_Dylan.5 жыл бұрын
4:07 is where you came for
@ryans.35966 жыл бұрын
Virgin Atlantic Pilot's thoughts: "Car 99 where are youuu?" The older crowd may get the joke here. lol
@ralgha6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reminder. :P
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80436 жыл бұрын
Haha. I sure do remember. Good ol' Car 54. Thx for the memories!
@flynnlivescmd5 жыл бұрын
33 isnt old! Noooooooo
@silencedknight4 жыл бұрын
He’s holding ‘6000 heading 180
@trplpwr10383 жыл бұрын
That would be me, got it.
@jbmbanter6 жыл бұрын
Great job!!! It's amazing how quickly you put this up. Thanks for your efforts and all of the rest of those who provide content for this channel.
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! :)
@KzEProduction3 жыл бұрын
Me in flight sim
@J4ve_utd3 жыл бұрын
lol
@treyn80702 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@samlyon3086 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos since I have a deep interest in aviation. Your visuals make your videos much more entertaining and informative than a video of just watching the captions of the recordings. Keep up the good work!
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for your words, Sam :)
@Motoskichimo19744 жыл бұрын
The plane equivalent of a Fender Bender.
@thomastucker56864 жыл бұрын
A 5 million dollar fender bender, wing bender.
@looseouttaturn26 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear Air China pilots in car 94 heading out to help!!
@feralbluee2 жыл бұрын
all the coordination needed for this accident is incredible! the vehicles 🚗 need as much clearance to maneuver as the planes do - maybe even more. ATC, ground, and emergency vehicles did an incredible job with all those instructions! the animation is a big help and well done. thank you so much for the great editing, etc. which you did for us out here. :) 🌷✈️🛩 🚑
@IANinALTONA6 жыл бұрын
tiny innocent a318 stuck in all this mess ;-) Interesting: BAW2 made it across the pond in one go, despite being stuck on the taxiway for an hour, burning extra fuel...
@CC579853 жыл бұрын
The BAW2 pilot shuts off the engines pretty soon after the incident, which is why the ATC then instructs him and the Aer Lingus pilot at 16:30 to ‘start up’ and advise him when they are ready to start taxiing.
@RastrojeroDiesel13 жыл бұрын
And don't forget that it landed on LCY.
@claudec25884 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos. You get an appreciation for just how busy ATC can get.
@ThePerpetualStudent6 жыл бұрын
You are my favorite ATC channel! It helps my fear of flying, truly.
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you say that :)
@ligma82546 жыл бұрын
I was actually on the flight radar 24 app and I was looking at JFK and saw VA and EA on the same taxiway and it looked like the VA was next to the Egypt. I wasn’t sure what was going on but no one was moving and it was an open runway they could’ve turned onto. Now I realize what happened lol.
@Sebastopolmark6 жыл бұрын
Way to get right on it. Very up to date, good job.
@ej59363 жыл бұрын
People don't realize that how much work and effort is required to fly and land an aircraft, much respect to ATC operators coordinating multi tasks in the ground and air
@satscotia6 жыл бұрын
Awesome detail as usual guys.
@deanna_956 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this, after reading about the incident, Thank you!
@martintheiss7435 жыл бұрын
looks damning to the NY NJ Port Authority. Not enough pullout space to keep the runway functional.
@DasOberkommando6 жыл бұрын
This was brilliantly done!
@mikej53374 жыл бұрын
as an aussie, ive been listening to alot of these in the american accent, now i realise how funny our aussie accent sounds bahahaha.
@gisseblanco2 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear aussie ATC recordings!! Where do I find them? 😂😂
@SupaEMT1346 жыл бұрын
*Best. Channel. Ever.*
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Best. Subscribers. Ever!!!!
@oscarolie57436 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for this one, love your posts, VASAviation! ;)
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! :)
@kingston5469 Жыл бұрын
The Egyptair was just trying to hold his hand. He didn't know it was going to cause such a commotion.
@bobbypaluga43466 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your very dedicated effort going into putting the videos together. It’s greatly appreciated. I wonder what the process for getting the two aircraft repaired entails. Off hand I think it’s possible to ferry the EgyptAir aircraft to a site that happens to repair body damage, or Boeing etc. the Virgin aircraft isn’t so lucky judging by the winglet and other wing pieces sitting in the pickup. I’ve been on a 757 (HP-US) that had an engine failure on taxi at Milwaukee. W/o any shops or mechanics at the airport NW handled the situation and upon receiving another V2500 from Phoenix, I suppose NW handled the replacement. Funny thing, the most trouble I’ve ever had regarding twin aircraft engines has involved the V2500. In Phoenix or Vegas heat failures due to some unexpected defect were frequent, I had two in addition to the MKE problem. An early morning Seattle-Phoenix flight had both a V2500 issue and an APU failure. I believe that the Rolls powered 757’s outnumbered International Aero V2500’s 2 to 1 yet the problems were many times more frequent. It’s weird looking up engine data on the IAE lists no Boeing products using the V2500: maybe I’m confusing V2500 powered 321’s and RR powered 757’s, old age is a real bitch. You don’t lose memory it just gets scrambled a little
@matt88636 жыл бұрын
16:10 "Minimum debris but just lay low thrust on the engines" Really??? Heaven forbid someone gets out of the truck to sweep up.
@Dowlphin6 жыл бұрын
While I don't know what the actual situation looked like, to me "minimum debris" implies small, light parts that get into engines especially easily.
@matt88636 жыл бұрын
Exactly...Even as you said in another post, the tires. But I'd be much more worried about a $12 million Turbofan.
@fidel40235 жыл бұрын
She should stick with making sandwiches
@uruiamnot5 жыл бұрын
Port Authority Union. They had to wait for the apron cleaning truck.
@arenalife5 жыл бұрын
It might look a small area but it's not like a road, imagine sweeping an area 250 ft x 250 ft and not missing anything.
@PrincessKait14 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, I didn't know the tower also directed the cars to cross runways and such. I love watching the cars dart around all over the place when I'm at the airport, but never knew they were also talking to tower.
@ExplodingCow49 Жыл бұрын
Any vehicle on the taxiway or runways, regardless of type, must be in contact with ATC
@billcallahan93036 жыл бұрын
That gal in car 99 had her act together! Virgin could've moved a bit further over but Egypt was the responsible party. They could've asked Speedbird behind them to watch their starboard wing if it looked problematic.
@gautamdamodaran4 жыл бұрын
5:18 when you have all the fancy instrument but not a rear view mirror :)
@puma.will.pounce75906 жыл бұрын
Who's the rocket scientist who designed a run-up pad without a taxi line so planes taxiing on K will clip wingtips with a plane parked on the pad? This is a huge operations error and design oversight. That pad and taxiway are new concrete.
@devonmoors6 жыл бұрын
puma.will. pounce I would have expected the First Officer on the Egypt Air flight to be very much aware of the Virgin parking on the pad to his right even if he was engaged in check list call outs.Just saying
@puma.will.pounce75906 жыл бұрын
What does awareness have to do with wingtip clearance? The EGYPT AIR thought the Virgin was parked where he was suppose to be, and there are no restrictions listed for 777-300ER on taxiway K. This is the fault of JFK airport. Secondary fault goes to Virgin for eyeballing where to put their nosewheel on an unmarked holding pad.
@devonmoors6 жыл бұрын
Awareness is being able to acknowledge and react to what is happening around you in your ambient environment and not to concentrate on one single work piece.
@jimstanley_495 жыл бұрын
Usually, the aircraft doing the runup will keep their place in line while they do it, and any aircraft passing someone needs to make sure they can squeeze by. This isn't a "safe parking zone," it's a place where aircraft can swing wide and point their engines somewhere safe. There's an instructional video where a CFI is taxiing a Cherokee (low wing) in line behind a Skyhawk (high wing), both angled on the taxiway for runup. The Skyhawk is taking his sweet time, and our man in the Cherokee, wanting to get on with our lesson, decides to pass because his wing will pass under the Skyhawk's. As he's taking off, the tower asks the next plane in line (another high-wing) if he wants to pass the Skyhawk. He says no because he probably can't get around the wing. Virgin should have pulled up and off a bit farther, and probably angled the nose a bit back toward Kilo to pull the wing out of the way. Egypt should have pulled over to the left (looks like there's some room towards Kilo 2) to be sure and clear Virgin. It may even have been Virgin's intention to leave the far end of the pad open for Egypt to come back to the right and make a wide left turn onto Kilo 1.
@knightlife985 жыл бұрын
Jim Stanley Yeah, it does seem like that would have been the best thing to do in this situation. JFK was built in the 1950's, so the layout of it leaves very much to be desired....lol! Pilots need to really think about their actions, when navigating around ol' JFK Airport.
@alucardvigilatedismas28685 жыл бұрын
There's an older ground collision video on this channel between a 737 and 757, witnessed by Virgin 4C at JFK. I just thought it was a neat (?) coincidence
@rzero216 жыл бұрын
14:51 that's the result of using 'when' and 'where' together and then later jusy using 'where'. Radio chatter can lead to this confusing situation. Pilots are already in a high stress situation and controller had to be a little bit more precise and use another wording. Is clear the pilots got the wrong call there and this lead to pilots getting more confused and controller getting angry.. Should have said like, hold short on bravo and Advise when you know where you're parking or something like that
@matrixab43566 жыл бұрын
rzero21 when in doubt, blame the Egyptian.
@vangogh15886 жыл бұрын
There was another video here somewhere where the ATC used exactly the same sentence "where do you enter the ramp" and the pilot had no a clue what the controller was saying. I agree the ATC should probably rephrase the question about the ramp/gate if it did not work the first time.
@schillaci55906 жыл бұрын
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@justinnanu43386 жыл бұрын
Yeah, seems silly to repeat the same question over and over when alternatives are fairly simple... "at what location will you be entering the ramp?" or "which intersection will you enter the ramp from?"
@ramymohsen79206 жыл бұрын
rzero21 this controller is very rude and don’t understand how the pilots under stress. This rude controller not his first time to speak like this. He did so before with Air China and u can search it. Just write Air China communication with jfk ground. U will find that he is so rude. He forgot that his job is to serve and insure the safety of the flight with the pilots. He suppose to be short , sharp , clear ( not angry). I am a pilot. I know a such feeling. JFK airport is a nightmare for pilots because a lot of traffic, complicated taxing procedures and a lot of communications with the tower and GND.
@lr._ry6 жыл бұрын
speedbird 2. poor little airplane was so hype for its 7 hour journey across the pond
@coronapapi6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! The Virgin Air couldn't believe it. lol
@ChrisHolloway7686 жыл бұрын
I happened to be waiting to take off last night at JFK while this was happening. There was quite a queue of aircraft waiting on Zulu and even on 22L waiting for this to be resolved and the aircraft to taxi back to the ramp.
@markg.42466 жыл бұрын
Chris Holloway The plural of aircraft is aircraft.
@gisseblanco2 жыл бұрын
@@markg.4246 oh I didn't know that 😱
@JennyWinters Жыл бұрын
Wonder how much re-routing had to be done?
@joshbarc6 жыл бұрын
Yes. I was waiting for this one.
@elcastorgrande6 жыл бұрын
VAS Aviation, Outstanding work! Ripped from the headlines. I wish KS had been there, but as he is not, the crew is still professional, if prosaic.
@JennyWinters Жыл бұрын
We all miss KS but take note that the ramp is working very very efficiently now at JFK. I know it's a rule they have to retire but he was very sharp. Maybe bi-annual dementia exams should be used in stead of age retire outs.
@bohony6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful job VASAviation!
@byWulf6 жыл бұрын
The airport is really missing Kennedy Steve :/
@joaopedrosateles26796 жыл бұрын
Michael Wolf he retired?
@byWulf6 жыл бұрын
In August already, yep.
@joaopedrosateles26796 жыл бұрын
Michael Wolf wasnt aware. Thanks. We'll miss him.
@EnriqueDominican6 жыл бұрын
Michael Wolf i thought same thing. We miss him already
@mickfunny41856 жыл бұрын
Barry A. Also, KS would know what to say to Egypt Air...sir, you’re not pointed toward the pyramids, you’re on the wrong runway
@TosinSalisu6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Great job guys!
@rustown14 жыл бұрын
thanks for the layout
@jonesaviation11163 жыл бұрын
The British pilots are just the best lol, response wise !
@setj23683 жыл бұрын
We don’t have time to be playing around 😂 speedbird just wanted to leave haha
@flybyboy775 жыл бұрын
Why did ground not clear the debris before they left. Instead of letting A/C potentially suck that into the blades?
@treyn80702 жыл бұрын
There was no debris on the runway which is incredible.
@MiniMaxiSlots6 жыл бұрын
Uh, minimum debris and keep thrust low??? WTF? Don't these ops people know a screw can get sucked into an engine at idle speed and cause significant damage? I would refuse to taxi over that area.
@Shumayal6 жыл бұрын
you are being over safe lol
@ThomsonAirwaysFs6 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, all airfield movement areas should be fod free and fully serviceable before allowing movements to commence. Ops vehicles R/T wasn't the greatest however bear in mind this was a stressful situation for the airport authority/ops teams.
@Dowlphin6 жыл бұрын
My layman thought: Where the hell is JFK's vacuum cleaner car? (optionally turbine-powered, haha)
@hansvonmannschaft90624 жыл бұрын
Had the same thoughts. "Minimum debris, so it's ok" I was like... wait wha...? This some new kind of devilish JFK lottery service?
@xiledwp95224 жыл бұрын
Definitely should have done a FOD walk down
@andysPARK2 жыл бұрын
Curious, who is held responsible for the collision?
@BIOHAZARDXXXX6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, we appreciate your effort!
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@jofox80666 жыл бұрын
Can I ask anyone who's knowldgeable... What is the process for dealing with non life threatening shunts like this with aircraft? Will the passengers have to be sent on later flights? Do the companies exchange insurance details? Is the port authority liable at all? Do the planes get repaired and checked before going out again? Do the pilots take a different flight or stay longer at the accident city location or does it just depend of where and when they are next needed to fly? Sorry for so many questions - just interested. :-)
@user-re7jn4os5u6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@joshualandry31606 жыл бұрын
The aircraft are grounded until repaired. The self loading cargo... er "passengers," will be re loaded on another aircraft or rerouted as this is the airline's fault. Insurance will Just think, after all that attention and *still* a Virgin... sort this out. The port authority may be liable. The insurance will determine. The airline will decide what they want to do with the pilots.
@josephniepce78876 жыл бұрын
Haha, self loading cargo, nice one and pretty acurate, it displays the REAL airlines attitude and policy towards customers.
@puma.will.pounce75906 жыл бұрын
Jo - In this case, Virgin Airlines and Egypt Air will likely ask the Port Authority (which owns the airport) to pay for damage to both aircraft since it was the airport's fault for not having a taxi line on the run-up pad where the Virgin A330 parked which forced the Virgin captain to essentially guess where he should park. I've seen airlines request the airport to pay for damages before in similar incidents.
@joshualandry31606 жыл бұрын
Joseph Niepce I actually didn't make that one up. "Self loading cargo" is a quite common in the industry.
@InsaneClown2 Жыл бұрын
9:04 I love how well ground translates truck 1's plan for the pilots
@marekadboy6 жыл бұрын
Kudos to u guys!!
@AdzSONLINE5 жыл бұрын
"Speedbird give way to Virgin" Ooooh no no no that's not right at all 😄
@treyn80702 жыл бұрын
OMG 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@ClearAdventure5 жыл бұрын
WAIT! I know people with 5 cameras on their RV. You cannot tell me we can't put 10 outside cameras to cycle through on an airliner. C'mon. They can't see if the engine is on fire? If the rudder is working? If they have wing clearance? This is child's play, and overlooked. I will never understand this. Because it is stupid not to have multiple views of the aircraft. Period.
@jetuber2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing.
@6z02 жыл бұрын
Cost, aerodynamic drag. Two major things aircraft manufacturers have to keep down to make more money
@clickrick Жыл бұрын
@@6z0 Indeed. And then also cost of equipment to watch them, complexity of SOPs to monitor them, maintenance ... If airlines could dispense with the costs of wingwalkers and some of the other ground crew then they certainly would.
@AdhamNafea5 жыл бұрын
Great work, well done
@pavelavietor12 жыл бұрын
Hello thanks for you great work the animations are excellent. Saludos Iberian
@evasmith27056 жыл бұрын
I lift my hat for the air traffic controllers!🍷
@JennyWinters Жыл бұрын
I'm proud of my ex bf from 30 years ago that is a DFW controller and we were such kids just teens and how he's ATC and even maybe saved my life flying into Dallas, whilst I'm an RN saving anybody without air.
@mikeownby5 жыл бұрын
"or perform a 180" is actually "as opposed to a 180". You are completely changing the entire meaning of what's being said.
@ZhenyaChe3 жыл бұрын
car 94 guy sounds like first day on the job and just woke up
@SeaSkyCity4 жыл бұрын
I hate it when this happens. The worst part is trying to get their insurance information
@BiGG_X4 жыл бұрын
There seems to be a lot of tension between control and ground crews. Seems work atmosphere has some turbulence.
@brettlawton95134 жыл бұрын
🤔🗯 Umm this never would've happened with Kennedy Steve on the job 💯💯💯💯
@Marsunit-eq1vb2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a cameo from Shamrock 11EA after surviving their hydraulic failure.
@ligma82546 жыл бұрын
I also saw BA2 a318 JFK-LCY in the same place as them. Crazy
@itsDKRG6 жыл бұрын
I mean if the EgyptAir B777 is dead nuts on the taxiway line (which they seem to be) wouldn't it be Virgin's fault for not going farther to the right? If Virgin A330 was also following the taxiway line then I guess it's ground controller's fault for instructing Virgin A330 to go right to give way to EgyptAir, assuming it's his job to know how widely separated those 2 taxiway lines are and whether both the B777 and the A330 could fit there next to each other? I don't know who's fault this is.
@GLAviation6 жыл бұрын
Nice video, again
@KhakanAhmed6 жыл бұрын
GL Aviation why do I see you everywhere?
@flynnlivescmd5 жыл бұрын
Richard is the pilot of all virgin flights. Simultaneous
@Marcho9783 ай бұрын
Those two planes taxied back to the gate like 2 bad boys being marched to the principals office for doing something mischievous 😂😂😂
@EoRdE64 жыл бұрын
A British airways A319 at JFK? What a flight
@Videospotter3 жыл бұрын
BA flew London City (LCY) to New York (JFK) with 2 special A318 with all Business Seats.
@JennyWinters Жыл бұрын
@@Videospotter Well whatever meetings they had were delayed or cancelled or they got a free day in NY.
@iRxyanDestinygtaandmoreL6 жыл бұрын
16:11 i think he said "ok so he can "power" taxi"
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
That is absolutely right ;)
@thegeneralissimo4704 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind, this is all the transmissions back to back. Usually it's very quiet for long periods of time at some airports.
@mrk.dilkington3 жыл бұрын
"Car94, just go back to the canteen please..."
@jamie-hb8gy5 жыл бұрын
14:00 confuses me the tower is asking him to hold but in the next breath the tower is saying "Dont stop the aircraft from moving"???????????
@Patmorgan235Us4 жыл бұрын
I think that GRD was asking him to hold at the far end of the runway while asking which taxiway he was going to take to get to the ramp
@nadersherif57125 жыл бұрын
4:18 I would have loved to see the look on the pilots face when the egyptair hit his wing *_Tow..._* Also, The Egyptair just clipped our wing, 4:37 *_Clipped_*
@Phili2012 Жыл бұрын
Some of us are just so wide that we lose sight of the edges of our girth.