REAL Cine Zoom Lenses FOR CHEAP!!! (Part 2) Pros and Cons

[@builtbytitan]

I love this channel. No pretentiousness. ❤️.

[@arthurbrown7501]

Well, you can always tape over the distance markings, pre-measure with a tape and write the revised accurate markings back on the tape :)

[@OrigEntertainmentOfficial]

True old school.

[@Aliendude3799a]

Literally what I was thinking. They say to do this for every shoot with any rented lenses anyways because focus marks can deteriorate

[@gabeque6971]

what I was thinking...

[@henrytheturnip]

This guy grips

[@EpicLightMedia]

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[@gnkstudios6138]

Your ursa mini g2 and these lenses are actually my dream setup. I saw these lenses on ebay like 2 years ago and wanted them ever since. But I never found ANYONE review these till you. This just might tip me over the edge. Ofcourse when I can afford them. Lol great review. And excellent rebuttal. Peor often want perfection whe. Comparing but rarely do they actually just apply applied the specs to their own use. If your even considering this lens, your not worried about focus distance markings. Your probably owner operator never even looking at the lens markings at all. Good job.

[@StringerBell2002]

Can you do a balance test video for the Cinematics 18-35mm on your BMPCC6k on the DJI RS2?

[@Deaddinoproductions]

It’s exciting to finally be in an era of affordable, high-quality cine lenses. I’ve been stocking up on the Meike cine primes and DZOFilm cine zooms for mft, and it’s amazing that there were simply no comparable options for anywhere near the price of those lenses as of just a couple years ago. I also appreciated the inclusion of the Indie Mogul clip with the DP talking about how focus breathing can look cinematic. I get annoyed at lens reviewers frequently treating focus breathing as a universally bad trait that should be avoided at all costs. It’s one of the things I’m least concerned about when shopping for a lens, and it’s something you see all the time in classic films. A great example is the opening sequence of Indiana Jones. Some crazy focus breathing in those shots!

[@DeanHarringtonimages]

I'd love to hear your views on the DZO Pictor s35mm zoom lenses both in terms of resolving 8K and accuracy of lens markings... now, that you have the 12K camera!

[@Skapo]

You should check out the DZO 10-20mm and 20-70mm. M4/3 mount cinezooms. $3200 for the set.

[@EpicLightMedia]

Yes! I want to check those out cause we have the pocket 4K and I think they would make a great combo

[@Chris-py3ec]

Take a look at the Sony CineAlta 4K Six Lens Kit. A lot of DP's compare them to UltraPrimes/Cooke S4’s but at a fraction of the cost. Since they're discontinued it's hard to find but used sets come up once in a while.

[@EpicLightMedia]

Thanks

[@daveyrobertson]

I'm rarely motivated to leave a KZbin comment, but I appreciate this review so much! Every few weeks I check out the Sigma Cine zooms, but probably wouldn't have been ready to pull the trigger for another year or so. Thanks to this review, I may be able to graduate from my Canon EF lenses much sooner than I anticipated. Your channel is perfect for the type of work I do. Keep it up!

[@dpc4548]

I know some DOPs that re-click cinema lenses because they prefer having reliable stops to keep things consistent. If I were to get these, I may look at that myself, otherwise, they look like a pretty good option. Either these or the DZO set.

Nice video, thanks, hope XEEN will do zoom cinema lenses someday, i use the primes and are fantastic for the price.

[@gsqmedia]

BEST promo video by far! Just came out of nowhere!!!!

[@aarones4378]

Just spoke with the folks over there at Cinematics. As of February 4, 2020, folks in the mainland of China won't be able to get your shipment in Hong Kong as mainlanders have been prohibited to travel to Hong Kong at the moment. So if you ordered directly, maybe you'll get them, but if you are sending them your lens to modify, it's a no go until further notice.

[@EpicLightMedia]

Pining this

[@aarones4378]

@@EpicLightMedia Thanks! And Cinematics is super professional. I've been talking with them for a week, and they've answered all my questions. Just gotta wait until things clear up before I can ship my babies over to them. Have a great day/night Epic Light Media team. Thanks again.

[@falconawesomeness1141]

Thanks for the update Aaron. Just talked to them as well. My lenses are sitting in Hong Kong. Mainlanders can’t go to Hong Kong because of the virus 🦠

[@paulrossjones2234]

If you purchase from the PCHOOD site, will that come over direct from china (with delay hopefully)? I wont be sending the lens to house, just buy complete off them.

[@falconawesomeness1141]

Paul Ross Jones buying is no issue from what I was told. Because they didn’t shut down their eBay store and with ebays terms you have to note delays upfront or if you’re going on vacation and such.

[@alexpintado]

Hi there... I watched pt.1 & pt.2, and loved them both. Thanks for reviewing and sharing. What I would like to know is why in either Pt. 1 or 2 the is no mention that once these lenses are purchased: THERE IS NO RETURNING THEM?! Seems like a very important piece of information to me. Not that anyone purchases anything with the intent of returning it, but I still feel that that would/should be mentioned to your viewers !! 🙋🏻‍♂️😉👍

[@enachioken]

I'm definitely saving to get these. Was thinking about getting the photo lenses, but since I'm doing more film work, it makes sense to save up and get the cine lenses. Thanks for the review.

[@alexandermendeyev35]

I had to make a pause at your video to congratulate you for that awesome burn at 09:15 you're absolutely right. Awesome way to shut that "purist" guy mouth in such a polite and clever way. You Mr. Have gained a new suscriber.

[@All2jPro]

Simple solution to mid alined focus marksesssss… Nail varnish tape measure and permanent Sharpie…. DIY Marks on the lens - IF it’s yours… you own it…… Or use a label make to create your own custom scale on the lens… just like we do on focus marking discs… No stress…. Oh thanks for the great videos… love emmm

[@brennanmartignoni4192]

DZO lenses. Especially the LingLung lenses if you’re shooting m4/3 is a crazy good deal

[@DarienFRodriguezDirector]

Seems like DZO has a similar pair of lenses at around the same price point: how do they compare to these lenses? Anyone?

[@HDFilmShooter]

According to my research, the reason they can be made parfocal is because the original Sigma lens is capable, they just don't worry about the back focus on photo lenses. Cinematics just sets the back focus correctly on a collimator with shims. They will also send you shims with your lens in case its not a Canon camera and a little off (as some are).

[@AlwaysCinematic]

Excellent video! As an owner of the 18-35 f1.8 Art, these lenses are very interesting.

[@KAREKINFPV]

Your legit the only video how to channel i trust on youtube.

[@adepew]

The focus marks not being accurate seems like something that could definitely be addressed and fixed by Cinematics, but I get the feeling that they are done with the design portion. This can be fixed with as mentioned by someone else in the thread. Also, they should really work on their website, your videos on these lenses put my mind at ease, but I wouldn't have ever considered them after viewing their website without a reputable source telling me it's not a scam. Great channel, I'm subscribed!

[@EpicLightMedia]

Thanks! Right, their website doesn’t give people confidence.

[@celo2043]

these lenses look amazing for their price!

[@nickb_rock]

Great content on this channel. Thank you for the quality and effort you're putting into these

[@WesleyClouden]

been using these for 4 yers they make some great mods as brand and on rentals these are paid themselves in 2weeks.

[@elissitdesign]

Wesley Clouden - No metadata from the lens?

[@WesleyClouden]

Eric Liss the ones had the chip and worked

[@alecwry]

Do they retain the autofocus motors? I know "Real cine lenses don't use autofocus" or whatever, but as an often solo shooter it is extremely useful.

[@EpicLightMedia]

They sell ones with auto focus still

[@mswaseem1]

very good video!!!! cheers for doing this work!!! have you checked DZO lenses? please make a video about it also if you have not made one yet

[@DalsPhotography]

Very very interesting and I am an oldie of 60 wanting to start lol, I guess that with the weight they have , I still need the chepppp ones .... ohhh getting old in this era....so late to start learning such amazing tech :) Best wishes and a great video . Take care , regards to the family from Uruguay :)

[@kevdeovideo]

I have a set. They get used in a professional (commercial) setting regularly. Not perfect, but darn good. Great return on investment.

[@johnlocke8389]

Excellent video! Very practical, informative, and well-balanced. Humorous clips make it enjoyable while very still superbly informative.

[@radfield6089]

how do they compare to the DZO super 35 cinezooms?

[@RLTPhoto]

It's been two years. Are you still using and happy with these? I plan to get them asap (pending funds) for use on the Ursa 6K broadcast.

[@earnieboy54]

Just bought these lenses and will receive in April! Super excited!

[@enmanuelleonmusic]

earnieboy54 what’s has been your experience with them?

[@cineformat6298]

did you like the lens?

[@earnieboy54]

Cine Format hell yeah. They are awesome. I love them and highly recommend

[@earnieboy54]

Chuchu overall very positive. Only gripe I have is that depending on how backed up the staff is there, the housing may have some jankiness on the front, 114mm diameter like an offset where it should line up with the rest of the lens. Thankfully mine is fine but I have a buddy and he sent it back for them to fix. Overall I prefer these over the sigma cine lenses. Same glass only thing changed is the price and throw of the iris, focus, and zoom.

[@cineformat6298]

@@earnieboy54 you're lucky haha, man will you make a test or even better review video? i really want to hear your feedback

[@derekhammeke2531]

I know these lenses aren't the same thing, they are like a cine hybrid zoom but I have the Sony 18-110 and 28-135. They have de-clicked aperture and claim to be par focal (which they almost are). They have focus gears. 95mm front filter mount. But these lenses aren't true cine in that they can do autofocus and have IS. The 28-135 even turning the servo function off still is somewhat connected to it. The 18-110 when servo is off it's like a cine lens. I love that they give me the long focal range I want for a zoom and are incredible clarity. They are around $3k each or so. I was in the same boat as you guys when wanting cine lenses and since I have Sony I thought this was my best option for mid range price. I like to do lots of gimbal work with long lenses without switching at all and this fit the bill for me.

[@EpicLightMedia]

We sold our Sony 28-135 last year when we sold all our Sony gear. But yes, those Sony lenses are fantastic with great features! Wish they could open up past f4, but so many of the Sony cams have great lowlight that f4 still works great in most cases.

[@derekhammeke2531]

@@EpicLightMedia I've contemplated selling all my Sony gear but that's all I have now as I shifted there with these lenses and cameras for the past 5 years and don't want to do the switch of investment. So....just waiting around for Sony to up their game. Though what I have really works for what my clients need. My clients aren't asking beyond what I'm giving them so thinking I'll wait this one more year for Sony and then make a switch if a Sony fs5/7 something upgrade or a7siii doesn't come out. Yes f4 worked perfectly fine for me. Hey also great content as well.

[@SMFilmStudios]

Great video. I just subscribed. I am shooting my first feature and I need a fast cine zoom solution. I am going to buy these on based on your video. Here is the guy complaining about the inaccurate marks for the zoom distance calculation. Just make a new mark after you measure it. It is not that complicated to do. Thank you buy the ay.

[@richarddzisiewski7197]

great channel, informative and nicely put across. been looking at these lenses but went for the Fujinon MK series as wanted lightweight glass, no breathing etc plus its a brand ive own before.... always good to look around thou !

[@TheSpecterRanger]

The lens breathing is introduced in these lenses because it is necessary to be parfocal. Correcting the shifting focus-plane when zooming means that an element group is also being “zoomed” when you focus. The Sigma cine versions are NOT parfocal, which is why they don’t have the same focus breathing.

[@immihashmi5551]

Brilliant, yes the are trade offs but overall excellent options with very good par focal ability.Man is it really Sigma glass? How do Cinematics do it? Bravo, please upload some more cool footage from these lens.Great video keep up the great work!

[@davideastham]

Thanks for the video ! I've been looking for these.

[@JonBear]

Quick question, all the electronics are still intact right? Or do you have to use the gears for everything (zoom, aperture, focus) I have the 18-35 and I use manual focus all the time anyway, however I do enjoy being able to set my aperture in body, and have my camera UI display it. Asking because I am thinking of sending my Lens in to Cinematics and have them convert it for me! Cheers really appreciate the awesome videos. Got me hyped for these

[@shibasalute]

Bought'em! Will be using on my first feature.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

Cinematics (PC Hood) can also convert some of those wonderful 'photo lenses from Zeiss, Hasselblad, etc to cinema housings. Their matte box is bulletproof. It's $200 and comes with rings, sock and 4 flags, with twp 4x4 trays.

[@reginaldworthington7558]

Thanks for your review and follow-up. I like these for the price they can be had for but a little concerned about that focus breathing. Is it significantly less pronounced for the 18-35?

[@EpicLightMedia]

Yes it’s not noticeable really on the 18-35

[@danielsuarez5369]

Novice here - I love the review. Thank you! I was wondering if buying these lenses, and using a new iphone would be a bad idea at all? I'm starting to think it's the lens that make the shot as long as you have a decent camera. Would you please share your thoughts on this?

[@filmmassa]

How about calibrated focus marks? Are they accurate when focued using a tape measurer? Oops you answered this, thanks!!!

[@HakimZziwa]

Still no one else has made a video bout these, thanks for sharing your experience.

[@TelekinesisStudios]

We're buying the DZOFilm cine zooms. Would love to do a comparison video with you at some point.

[@felipevece]

DZOFilm Cinema zoom lenses 20-55 50-125 cost almost the same and the 20-55 the focus breathing is absent

[@EpicLightMedia]

Yes those weren’t out when we made this video but I want to try them

[@JakeGleim]

Alright so whats your thoughts on these versus DZOFilm Pictor 20 to 55mm T2.8 and the 50 to 125mm? Would you opt for the extra range on each lens in place of the extra light?

[@JakeGleim]

Would love to know your thoughts (the new pictors just came out). Looking at buying them or these sigmas you listed. The price difference does not matter between these two. The one thing that seems beneficial with these, is it looks like they still have auto controls? I would not care for auto focus but auto exposure can sometimes be nice to have depending on whats happening. Considering I often run without an Aperture or zoom motor and just a manual focus wheel, I can certainly see the benefits if it does.

[@cineformat6298]

@@JakeGleim i have huge interest on that lenses as well, but the image quality, sharpness are way too low than on sigma's, which is priority for me. But i would like to mention that dzofilm pictor both zoom lenses don't have any focus breathing and focus rotation is 270° when cinematics is 120°/ 140°.

[@JakeGleim]

@@cineformat6298 they just arrived. They look far better than the sigma (photo versions which these in the video are just rehoused) also added the tokina 11-20 t2.9 they all look stunning together.

[@cineformat6298]

@@JakeGleim Congratulations, your damn lucky ) , so can you make a video review with possible all tests including tokina but in other video? I am sure there are a lot more people who would love to see your review )

[@JakeGleim]

@@cineformat6298 I plan to at some point over the next month.

[@flixdigital]

Great information on these lenses. Amazingly cool. Thanks for posting!

[@premiumparis]

Great video ! So it’s parafocal but does breath ? Damn... that’s a major issue. If I have to choose I would rather have no breathing and no parafocal...

[@KlassikMafiaProduction]

what do u think about the slr magic cine 35mm f/1.2 for 300 dolls?

[@EpicLightMedia]

Hmmm... I haven’t used it but I looked it up on B&H and it looks cool

[@messylaura]

something you didn't mention the company also says you can send your lens in for the modification if you have the sigma lens.

[@marcuswright100]

dzo films are coming up with fairly cheap and accurate cinezooms for around 4500 dollars for 2 20-55 and 50-125 t 2.8

[@hofgw7]

yeah but how accurate is the focus ring

[@paulrossjones2234]

Have these lenses got some kind of adjustable internal shim? Have you shined and checked the Ursa mount? Even my canon CN-E lenses dont line up with the focus marks on my URSA G2 perfectly- I haven't bothered shimming the mount. So maybe its a mount issue? Accuracy it more important at the far end of focus, thats why it might be more off at the infinity end. I am keen on one of the cinematic's canon 70-200 t3 housings. This is one of my favourite lenses, its sharp and blurs beautifully (even nicer IMO than some of the expensive cine lenses I've shot next to), but having it in a proper housing would be amazing.

[@autonomous9031]

What about Pictor zoom lenses?

[@lawrencegress9831]

Thanks for the great detail.

[@chadwin]

FANTASTIC follow up vid! Loved this. Honestly I’d get the 18-35 if I knew it could balance on my gimbal but I think it’s too heavy.

[@EpicLightMedia]

Come over and try to balance it sometime

[@olaraay]

my two heroes conversing ! Love it !!!!

[@YoussefHallouly]

Can i see the difference between normal Canon photo lenses lets say the 24-105 F4/L RF with a cine lens for video ? i can't seem to find any video that shows the image quality difference.

[@JOHAN_PERJUS]

These cine modified lenses might be a great step up alternative to de-clicking and adding focus/aperture gears to still lenses, but I think it is misleading to call these ”rehoused”, as the original lens barrel seem to be retained and encased within the new, albeit geared barrel. But perhaps that is how ”proper” rehousing lens service providers like EE, P+S Technik, Van Diemen, TLS, Cinescope and Cineovision does it too. But I doubt that.

[@systemedmultimedia6526]

Hi. Nice video on the cine lens. However, your provided links don't work anymore. Any alternative ? Thanks to answer and keep up with the good work.

[@franklinmichael671]

Is there a good way of correcting focus breathing in post?

[@andrewbaker2914]

Great Video! I am interested in getting my first set of cinema lenses and these look like they may be perfect for me. I am a film student at ASU currently and would love to connect and maybe collaborate on something!

[@JohnSmith-qb9we]

Do they deliver to the UK?

[@davidesimonazzi1640]

By the way you are missing one of the most important thing about a cinema lens: long focus throw.

[@locfilms]

That is a deal breaker for me.

[@aholder4471]

Somebody I watched had a great work around for this by using something like a tilta nucleus I believe, which has a function to increase the focus throw electronically. You could buy these lenses and an electronic follow focus for less than the difference. Not perfect but it's an idea

[@djencode]

What about the DZO Pictor lenses, I would say they are in the realm of affordability and don't suffer from the problems these lenses do...

[@EpicLightMedia]

Just did a video about them!! You should watch!!! 😊

[@tomdchi12]

Call me crazy, but if you want/need accurate distance marks on the lens, maybe just wrap some tape on the barrel and make your own marks? And/or use a calibratable remote focus.

[@EpicLightMedia]

That’s actually a good idea.. never thought of that wow

[@sidrummerboy]

I know the Ursa Mini Pro G2 with a LANC controller can adjust zoom, focus, etc. I am assuming these are not powered Lens and as such would need a powered motor to control them?

[@javiator3007]

clearly our definitions of cheap are different lol

[@aLgProduction]

lol

[@Aliendude3799a]

With a 100% price difference I think it's pretty cheap, and you could always just save up after a few shoots to grab these to get more shoots and charge more 👌

[@krane15]

Perhaps inexpensive would have been a better word. Although still relative.

[@avinashrawal7928]

I want to ask you , is sigma 18-35 best lens for bmpcc6k or Rokinon Cine Ds primes or any other lens you can suggest. I am interested in 1) Best overall image quality 2) edge to edge Sharpness 3) minimum Distortion at Wide angels 4) which lens is more sharp at a constant usable aperture like 2.5, rokinon or sigma. I am beginner so I need some help . I want to buy a lens which can use the camera's full potential. Your reply would mean a lot to me

[@EpicLightMedia]

I highly recommend the sigma 18-35. It has the speed of a prime but it’s a zoom.

[@David88Schmavid]

Does anyone know how these lenses might interact with an EF-E mount adapter and/or a metabones speedbooster EF-E (Super 35)?

[@jsavak99]

Do they make Anamorphic lenses ????

[@jsdnldsn]

How is the focal throw? Is there a huge difference pulling focus on these compared to the stills lenses?

[@EpicLightMedia]

Yes it’s much larger than the photo version. There is definitely enough throw for me

[@DigitalInertia]

I would love your thoughts on the Rokinon Cine DS lenses. Super cheap priced, but I see and hear good things

[@paulnbrenda358]

This was very helpful. Ive never ordered outside of the states. How did customs work and how long did it take to get here once you ordered?

[@anthonymelendez2605]

Im soooo Glad I found your channel

[@ryanverrastro1969]

Totally getting a set soon!

[@anatolyk2339]

it can create vignetting with a speedbooster in the bmpcc4k ?

[@TheSlamdogs]

"both lenses retain their front filter threads" does that mean you can use screw on filters with these or will you need a matte box? Great vid btw!

[@EpicLightMedia]

You can you a matte box or circular filters. The 18-35 front thread is smaller than the 50-100. Same threads as photo version although the front diameter is 114 the screw thread part is recessed and directly in front of the glass.

[@akinolahassan9318]

I had the same question. I saw that the 18-35 has a 72 thread and the 50-100 has an 82 thread. Just wanted to be sure the circular filters would still work on these lenses.

[@johnlocke8389]

Amazon ad for 18-35 says: "APS-C frame, not support full frame." Is that true? If so, this is and important detail not covered in the video.

[@Maverick-xd4lb]

HI Epic Light Media. I have a question which would be a deal breaker for us buying these lenses. Do the colour between these two lenses actually match? We are looking for cinematic lenses for multi cam setups and this is kinda important to us since we are also shooting live and dont want to spend too much time setting up color profiles for each cam before shoots... Please let me know what your experience was with these lenses.

[@ronnyshama]

i'm proud of you for getting a lens chart this time and having the camera static on a tripod. good on you!

[@Peda-ho1lw]

You deserve far more attention

[@Olliciousde]

Dude, do have any idea on how to get these in EU?

[@thomaswindfeld728]

Dude, You have an awesome image! I just love the "How to shoot interview" video!

[@GrizzlyThatHawk]

I am primarily shooting with a Fujifilm camera but have a 60D as well. I'd be curious to see how well these lenses would adapt over to a Fuji X mount

[@EpicLightMedia]

Good question actually

[@JackyEndriana]

Did u alr use it on fuji x mount?? I wanna know thanks ☺️👌

[@HakimZziwa]

Great video, so tell us, do you get to keep the sigma autofocus capabilities for example on c200s and other dual pixel autofocus canons?

[@centralbpm]

Hello. cine sigma 18-35mm T2.0 PL do you think they will work on my BMURSA MINI 4.6 in 4k? DO i get some vigneting?

[@tomeetjerry]

Greatest sound I've ever listened !

[@SigitSugiharto1966]

Thanks brother...

[@SolisCreative]

Coming back to this after comparing the DZO Pictor zooms, and how you mentioned some abberation and only go to a 2.8, which set would you grab on your way out to a commercial shoot today?

[@EpicLightMedia]

The Pictor zooms just weren’t clean enough for most projects for me. If you want to organic looks they are good though

[@felipevece]

Does the 18-53mm with the poket 4k fit into a ronin S2 to balance it?

[@HonestFred]

Will these lenses work on Canon EOS R?

[@EpicLightMedia]

They only work on super 35mm sensors

[@HonestFred]

@@EpicLightMedia thanka for info.

[@MichaelRFenton]

Love this! Never heard of these and have been looking to transition to cine lenses. I’m assuming they still just cover S35 sensors since it’s the same glass correct? I’d also be curious to hear what your thoughts are on the Irix cine lenses that have been coming out for some entry cine primes? Maybe a future video idea for ya!

[@reanetsemoleleki8219]

Are Sigma's own rehoused units parfocal?

[@EpicLightMedia]

Yes

[@reanetsemoleleki8219]

@@EpicLightMedia thanks.

[@andytee88]

I'm curious if the parfocal works well when using a speed booster on Blackmagic or GH5? It should right?

[@EpicLightMedia]

It may or may not. I took a PL mount off of one of our cameras and replaced it with an EF mount and the parfocal no longer worked on that camera.

[@rrfilmproductionOfficial]

are these better than DZO Film Pictor zoom lenses?

[@tecno8335]

Nope. There even