Real Lawyers React to Bob's Burgers ft. Law By Mike

[@LawByMike]

Should we do more of these?!

[@AbelView]

Yes please

[@rhel373]

Yes! Absolutely! There's a wonderful one in the show "Gravity Falls" too!

[@Ryann9]

Yes

[@Tony-ob7lh]

Nah

[@techseth]

Yes

[@esta7763]

I was the bailiff of a mock trial of the Three Little Pigs. I don't remember much of the case except for the defense asked his client the wolf what his occupation was. The Wolf's occupation was selling storm proof doors and windows, and was "demonstrating to the pigs that their doors and windows weren't strong enough to withstand the elements." The wolf was found not guilty.

[@elizabethsmith3374]

I would have brought up the true story of the three little pigs and how the media made up details and only got one side of the story so his case can't be fair cause no one has heard his story

[@stevensam7800]

what were the charges ?

[@esta7763]

Can't remember. Probably for destroying their houses or something.

[@tracychavez-markee9946]

Omg that’s amazing

[@ElvisFreshly]

I mean… would still be found guilty. I can’t be a door to door vacuum salesman go to your house destroy your vacuum and then just say it was because I sell better vacuums 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️😂🤣

[@JuniorT]

I think the suit shorts is a great idea; call them "Legal Briefs"

[@infallibleblue]

Facts

[@gingivitis9148]

Yessss Out of interest would knee high(or higher) socks make the look better or worst?

[@Tyrope]

@@gingivitis9148 Terrible. I'm all for it.

[@Vahktang]

🙄 😁

[@robinmiller5256]

👌🤣

[@zoeh6393]

We did a mock trial in my hs English class after reading "of mice and men". I was George's defense attorney and took it way, WAY too seriously. Cross examination went poorly when it became abundantly clear that my star witness had not read the book.

[@officerahmo]

HAHAHAHAHA That's hilarious

[@TheOfficial_YoItSJaKe4091]

I remember that book! Good times! (It’s only been 2 years at most 😂)

[@echognomecal6742]

This caused me physical paaaaaaaaaaaaain

[@american_jackal5956]

I feel your pain. I was the prosecutor against Rainsford in my high school English class's mock trial for "The Most Dangerous Game." Not a single one of the other students gave a crap and the jury ruled not guilty when Rainsford escaped the hunt just to break into Zaroff's house and kill him.

[@Anty_Praza]

Mock trials weren't a thing in any of my schools. That's sad, because it sounds fun to me.

[@mizinoinovermyhead.7523]

Objection: The person who gave the apple to snow white was not the queen, but an old hag. The defense has yet to provide proof that these are the same person.

[@jameson1239]

The Pinkerton rule

[@mizinoinovermyhead.7523]

@@jameson1239 only is valid if there is a conspiracy. The defense has shown no connection between the old hag and the queen. Pinkerton would apply if they were in conspiracy to do something and poisoning Snow White furthered the goals of the conspiracy.

[@jameson1239]

@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 her goal was to be the fairest lady of all the land that sounds like a conspiracy to me

[@mizinoinovermyhead.7523]

@@jameson1239 a criminal conspiracy (or for that matter any conspiracy) is defined as two or more parties agree to an action (in criminal conspiracy the action is committing a crime) and then take steps toward completing said action. First let us assume the audience knows things the general public of the Snow White tale does not, that is to say the people of the tale do not know the witch and the queen are the same person. This is a fair assumption as there are no witnesses to her transformation. Now let us try and prove that the witch and the queen worked together to poison Snow White. The first thing required to prove criminal conspiracy is entering into an agreement. This requires evidence of the agreement, a signed document, a witness to the agreement etc. Since the queen nor the hag can be placed in the same room together there is no evidence of an agreement. Without that there is no evidence of a conspiracy.

[@Donteatacowman]

Yeah, I was thinking this too. Even Snow White, the only witness of the crime, had no reason to believe that lady was the queen. I'm surprised this made it to mock court, considering the shaky case and the queen's legal sway.

[@donalddickerson206]

Not gonna lie, I think a series where you and Mike or you and other lawyers take over prosecutor and defense roles to do a mock trial for works of literature would be awesome. Especially if you let viewers file the potential complaints/issues and submit various works to look at for various reasons.

[@rev.diablo8326]

I would 100% watch a legal series that draws from classic works like Antigone.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

Honestly sounds like a cool idea for a cartoon series

[@danielvest9602]

Heck Yeah 👍 sounds great.

[@AzraelGnosis]

The Oresteia was the first thing that came to mind for me.

[@Bro.Michael_E._Moore-32Degree]

Shakespeare, even historical debates... It'll be fantastic until someone brings a Bertold Brecht play :)

[@antoniogonzales1976]

so would I, definitely

[@LoversAnonymousMusic]

Ok thank goodness there's a part 2. I noticed how short the video was when they finished the snow white trial and I was like no youre missing the best part.

[@moonlightingjam]

Antigone is one of my favorite Greek heroines. Her whole defense is "Yeah I broke the law, but that was a stupid law anyway" which is becoming quite relevant in our day and age.

[@stevie1862]

Theres something so hilarious about a judge saying “hmm” looking at the defendant 1:20

[@neeneko]

I would think a defense would be fairly straight forward : sovereign immunity. She was a local sovereign power who ordered the assassination of a political threat, which means she was doing it as part of her official role and duties.

[@seanfager8063]

There's precedent! The treason trial of Charles the First. His defense rested not on the facts of the case but on the inability of the court to legitimately try him, since he was literally Sovereign.

[@neeneko]

@@seanfager8063 If I recall correctly, this has come up more than once in England. I guess it all comes down to who is making the laws when.

[@keithmartisius781]

@@neeneko Historica Civilis channel covers this I believe. There was a trial of the King for treason. Iirc it hinges on whether the kings power came from divine or popular mandate. I’m probably misrepresenting something but it’s a good channel.

[@neeneko]

@@keithmartisius781 heh. it has been ages since i watched it, but I think I saw that video. I guess the complexity of such a defense would hinge on who was ruling at the time of the trial. Such historical cases tend to be in the context of a new ruling group trying a previous ruler while wanting to maintain political stability/legitimacy. Which means, one way or the other, it would likely not be a trial that is fair nor rooted in objective law. The current political situation would play the dominant role.

[@lilymarinovic1644]

Snow White was a political threat? I thought she was just a pretty princess?

[@kasa9884]

That fact that Devon did mock trial for all those years makes him so much endearing to me, than he already was! I was the science fair nerd-- and now I am a public health professional and biomedical biologist. I took a health law course at my graduate school's law school, so I had like a semester of law school life...Lol! I would love to do a health law/ public health law segment with him one day. -Krissy

[@herkles5416]

I would love to see you cover historical court cases, trials and events from antiquity and the middle ages. Ancient plays are also good too. :)

[@DorianGrayClampitt]

Imagine a bunch of lawyers and a former judge do a mock trial on KZbin, we act as a jury.

[@eddiesmith9955]

Yes!

[@xanthepaul2906]

Bump for sure!!!

[@walteracevedo5105]

A mock trial of "Citizens of Wonderland vs Alice" would be very interesting.

[@stevekristoff4365]

This is so funny as I was reading through the ancient greek plays as well as actual Roman trials or commentaries and would absolutely LOVE a discussion on these items. Especially in that the Roman case there was no 'constitution' or in the greek case where even though each city state had codified laws it's really interesting that the arguments went more toward disparaging the opponent more than facts in the cases.

[@Technodreamer]

"It will hurt your case, even though it's not supposed to" just about sums up the American legal system.

[@ids1024]

And I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that "formal" clothes are expensive. (And not actually practical for anything.)

[@henrynorcrossii3363]

I would check a lot of thrift stores. I've fa couple of nice suits. One was a brand new, 3 piece Italian suit, the original tag was around $500, it fit me like it was tailor made for me, andit was $25.00.

[@Technodreamer]

@@henrynorcrossii3363 Good advice, but it doesn't address the core problem

[@lolaartemis]

@@henrynorcrossii3363 as someone who works two jobs and takes care of 4 other people, it makes me laugh madly to imagine having the time to hunt multiple thrift stores. In the past, I've checked thrift stores for things I need, but never found what I needed. If we're going to live in a world where people must depend on charity to survive, then charity needs to be mandated.

[@thecontemptuous]

I would legit watch a series of you doing mock trials about classical literature against other lawyer friends of yours. theres some good stuff in greek tragedy and Shakespeare that would be solid 5-10 minute episodes

[@chrishubbard64]

Or grimm fairy tales. Hansel and Gretel Vs Witch. Can she charge the kids for eating her house when she built the house specifically to lure in kids?

[@alalalala57]

@@chrishubbard64 Hahaha

[@joachimschoder]

Hamlet alone could fill a season of content.

[@lokidokey7586]

Get some modern legal takes on The Decameron. Surely the 14th century's take on romance will hold up swimmingly.

[@XmanB1]

goldilocks could work

[@Team_BaM]

4:24 "Just say something 'Mmmm' Nailed it" That was adorable. Thanks guys, you made my day.

[@gingergoddess8953]

Now I definitely want a Legal Literature series. I'd be curious to see him go through the trials in To Kill a Mockingbird, Les Miserables, Notre Dame de Paris, and The Crucible. He could also talk about the legalities and the blurry lines of fanfiction, because it'd tie in pretty well to both the legal and the lit side.

[@agodlessmonstrosity]

Hell I'd settle for Real Lawyers react to To Kill A Mockingbird

[@FullForce098]

Justice is swift in the Court of Miracles, I am the lawyers and and judge all in one! We like to get the trial over with quickly because it's the sentence that's really the fun!

[@sirius1ish]

He's already,done a react,to that i think

[@dracoargentum9783]

I definitely enjoy this laid back style of banter.

[@richtersundeen6105]

Antigone was clearly "guilty" but the law was unjust. It's a case for jury nullification if there ever was one.

[@jansalava1046]

What is unjust as treating a traitor and would be usurper the same as the invaders he brought with him to overthrow the government? Antigone had no problems with treatment of the Argives dead and objected to the laws merely as they pertained to her own conduct.

[@DaoFAQ]

@@jansalava1046 Objection! Antigone was attempting to abide by a law put forth by the Olympians whose authority supersedes Creon’s, she would not be in violation of familial responsibility by allowing the Argives to remain unburied however if she allowed her brother to not be given a proper burial then she is subject to likely haunting, possibly barred from passage across the Styx to the Land of the Dead, as well as the Furies seeking divine retribution on her brother’s behalf for allowing him to remain a shade standing on the banks of the Styx without entry to the afterlife.

[@Vexas345]

@@jansalava1046 Antigone was not in a position of power in the military so was not responsible to ensure the fair treatment of all the dead.

[@floraposteschild4184]

@@Vexas345 Irrelevant. Funerals were conducted by the family of the dead, not the military. In ancient Greece "relatives of the deceased, primarily women, conducted the elaborate burial rituals that were customarily of three parts: the prothesis (laying out of the body (54.11. 5), the ekphora (funeral procession), and the interment of the body or cremated remains of the deceased."

[@jansalava1046]

@@DaoFAQ The law of the court is that of Boetia and not of the Olympus. Furthermore following the deaths of her father, Oidipus, and her brothers, Polynices and Eteocles, she has passed into the care of her uncle. Her uncle would therefore on her account of being female be the one held liable for her conduct.

[@trstmeimadctr]

Somehow these 2 simultaneously come off both as friends and as people who can't wait to leave the room

[@no-one-really]

I think that's the only way trial lawyers can be in friends within the profession

[@basicindiebro]

My two favorite things: LegalEagle and Bob’s Burgers, for a crossover. I love it!

[@gingergoddess8953]

At least he didn't combine the two to title the video "Eagle Burgers"

[@OneShot_G]

Love the profile pic

[@basicindiebro]

@@OneShot_G Thank you! I like yours!

[@TheBoondocksaint117]

In my high school, we did a mock trial for Macbeth. I was a prosecutor, but I also didn't actually read the play. I went off of context clues in the trial and the general understanding I had of the story from just knowing pop culture and still ended up winning.

[@robo1000]

You know how you get out of jury duty? It worked for me successfully four different times. What you do is you act really excited and happy to be there and interested in everything. They hate it.

[@bonita1228]

If everyone is entitled to a jury of his peers then we all need to serve. If people of working age get excused then that leaves retired senior citizens hearing your case. For those reasons I don’t try to get out of jury duty at all.

[@flamingsickle]

@@bonita1228 Not everyone person of working age can afford jury duty, though, at least in the States (not sure how other countries do it). Most really can’t. What good is $20 a day going to do someone who has to take off work for potentially weeks if a trial runs long? That’s enough for lunch and maybe parking. Sure, jobs can’t fire you for it, but they don’t have to pay you for it, either.

[@JonJahren]

Can't you just mention jury nullification and get thrown out pretty much immediately?

[@agentchaos9332]

Only 2% of cases go to trial, and the average trial length is 6-8 hours, over 1-2 days This hypothetical where you're missing weeks of work is Incredibly rare. There's more then enough people to fill Juries without destroying someone's livelihood

[@matterixon]

I just said I moved, worked for me every time so far

[@deluxejay69]

1:28 I saw a defendant show up to court wearing a tank top with the bud light logo plastered all over it. The judge absolutely went off on him about how inappropriate it was. The guy's excuse was that he had no other clean clothes. Judge basically told him that if he has to choose between a beer shirt and a normal shirt that might smell a little bad up close, to never choose the beer shirt.

[@bushbasher85]

Bob’s Burgers is probably in my top three favorite shows of all time. I love that legal eagle is doing this show now.

[@Detahramet]

As an aside, I would absolutely love a legal analysis of mythologies, especially if the standard of the time. Especially Roman myths, because the Roman legal system was just absolutely bonkers, and partly based off how physically far away you were from the victim. Shooting someone with an arrow was a lesser crime than stabbing them with a knife, is was absolutely insane.

[@KumaoftheForest]

The AMOUNT of hard R cases that would happen 😩

[@jy3n2]

"Gentlemen of the jury, the woman accusing my client of trying to poison her is a slooty sloot who sloots a lot. The defense rests." - Cicero, Pro Caelio, summarized.

[@katieblade7083]

I prefer Greek personally

[@peterobinson3678]

I'm listening to an audiobook called 'A fatal thing happened on th way to the Forum'. It's about murder in the Roman Era. Sort of. Because 'Murder' wasn't really even a concept for most of Roman times. It was property crime, at best. (Rich). No crime at all at worst. (slave/son / woman) Highly recommended.

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

@@katieblade7083 *Old Nostalgy, Huh?* 6:42-7:05

[@amwfan88]

The discussion about court-appropriate clothing reminded me of a murder trial I covered as a reporter once. The defense called up a witness who, I kid you not, was wearing a Folsom Prison t-shirt. Why the defense attorney didn't make him flip the shirt inside-out or pull a button-up out of storage, I have no idea. The jury took only two hours to convict the defendant.

[@sarahbellee.bradburn8760]

In competitive dance & ballet we had an ‘in case you forgot kit.’ I think that’d be crucial for public defenders & layers of all forms alike. Could prevent a catastrophe.

[@C4103]

Wearing a jersey that you stole to court is one thing, but its really stupid that wearing casual clothes could affect the outcome of a trial. It's pretty horrifying to hear a real lawyer say "it's not supposed to effect your trial, but it does." The idea is that you look like you're not taking the trial seriously I guess, but neither is the judge if that affects their decision in any way.

[@alalalala57]

@@C4103 The pettiness of society makes any true justice unfeasible.

[@johndoecook]

@@C4103 Eh, a lot of people still live by the code, "If you dress like you don't care, what does that say about you." Civil or criminal, court should be one of those things you always dress up for

[@aaronmccullers384]

@@johndoecook Real problem is with people who can't afford the clothes, cases are already inheritly expensive so adding this cost is just straight up unfair to those who are living pay check to pay check.

[@vizoredchris]

I would totally watch KZbin lawyers conducting mock trials based off of literature

[@cambiata]

OMG you reminded me of a mock trial we did in classics in college. We did Oedipus and I was on the defense, but the prosecutors made a hell of a case to the point I remember it to this day: they pointed out that Oedipus's opening crime was murder due to road rage. And at the end of it I was like, "yeah you know, they have a point." Oedipus wasn't some poor bastard hit by chance, he was a murderer who only killed someone because he got mad at the other guy's driving. If he just hadn't have done that he woulda been fine.

[@meeeka]

He killed his father to marry his mother.

[@cambiata]

@@meeeka right but he didn't know who those people were at the time. The thing he *knew* he was doing was a road rage murder.

[@cambiata]

@@meeeka The basic question for the mock trial was whether someone could be considered guilty for doing something they didn't know they were doing - for example, is Oedipus guilty of the crime of incest under the relevant statutes of his nation? To that question I would definitely say "no", because he had no idea that he had married his mother. By the same token, if there were some enhancement penalty under law for killing one's own father, would Oedipus qualify for that enhancement? Again I would say no, because he had no idea that the man he killed was his father. The crime he did commit with full knowledge and understanding was the crime of murdering a stranger (probably more than one, because the king is likely to have had a driver) due to road rage.

[@dlo111]

That is a brilliant way of looking at it.

[@tygokoren3085]

I was Oedipus' defense as well I got him off the hook for everything. Because he did not kill his father out of free will, he was destined to do so when he was an infant and destiny can't be escaped. Therefore he did not commit murder. The rest is a lot easier.

[@brandonhb2054]

I am absolutely here for collabs between you and Law By Mike. Two excellent legal content creators.

[@nathanielgreer2764]

Please consider doing a video on Miranda Vs Arizona. It is such an important case that has had such a significant impact on our country and very few people know anything about it.

[@tparadox88]

Yet another bedrock ruling that's just been gutted.

[@austinhernandez2716]

Yeah but now it's gone thanks to Trump supporters

[@DaVinci-vj7ku]

Please educate me, I don’t know what that is (I’m not from the US)

[@nathanielgreer2764]

@@DaVinci-vj7ku have you ever seen an American crime movie or television show where a criminal is being arrested and the police officers says to them “You have the right to remain silent….”? Those are Miranda Rights or a Miranda Warning. Miranda Vs Arizona is the case that established the legal requirement for police to notify a person of their rights when placing them under arrest.

[@DaVinci-vj7ku]

@@nathanielgreer2764 oh, right, ok thanks, sounds pretty important

[@natedog769]

I did a mock trial in high school law class. My team had to defend the case of the grinch stealing Christmas and I played the grinch

[@festes81]

I asked for this one in comments a while back. So happy to see you've picked this scene!

[@ArDeeMee]

OBJECTION: The queen is the defacto ruler of her country, and has the final say. If she condemns someone to death, then that is what happens. It is the law of the land. And a US court trying to superimpose their ideas onto a foreign country violates her diplomatic immunity. So really, this is a frivolous case, and SHE should countersue for damages to her image. =D

[@johnnyli4702]

"If you're directing a witness, basically all you have to say is, 'and what happened next?'" Imagine a rookie prosecutor getting brain fart in the first second of questioning and their first question is, "and then what happened next?"

[@kagomeshuko]

As you can see, I'm a Theatre Geek. I was completely ready to listen to a trial about Antigone burying Polynices.

[@thrawncaedusl717]

I think my defense for the queen would be demanding the prosecution explain how an apple could put a woman in a coma that a kiss would wake her from. Go after the fundamental “facts” of the case and prove that they don’t make sense.

[@TheQuietTyper]

Yes. Also, how did they know she was the one who gave Snow White the apple in the first place if she was supposedly in the shape of an old woman? Also, the story says that Snow White lost her parents at an early age, that means the Queen was ruling the country and the only one in the way of Snow White and the Prince taking the throne. It would be awfully convenient if the Queen was convicted of murder. At the very least it would weaken her base of support among the nobles, which is key for a monarch to rule, especially a woman who married into the royal family and has been ruling on her own for years.

[@888meenbeeby]

This is so great! You both together AND Bob’s burger - legal magic 😂

[@insomniapetals4424]

I also loved mock trials, then in high school we moved to Anchorage, Alaska and what they had was waaaaay better. They took the "jury of your peers" thing to the extreme. They actually had the Anchorage Youth Court. Where juvenile cases that actually went to court (misdemeanors, not felonies) were tried by "attorneys" who were in high school, "judges" who were seniors in high school or undergrads, jurors were made up of students taken from middle schools and high schools depending on the age of the defendants. I started participating as a juror while I took classes to prepare for the "bar exam" and eventually became a prosecuting attorney. Participants were from ages 12 to 21. There were age and participation requirements for every level. Of course, everything was overseen by actual, adult lawyers and judges and whatnot, but it was amazing to really get involved in the process. I have no idea if it's still a thing, as this was 30 years ago, but I loved every minute of it.

[@themadtortois1737]

It’s still a thing and still going strong. I didn’t realize it was such an old thing tho.

[@insomniapetals4424]

@@themadtortois1737 Well, I started participating when I was 15 and continued until I joined the Army at 18, and that (sigh) was 30 years ago... Oh gods below I am so so old... 😑😄 I'm glad it is still going. I really really enjoyed it. I learned so much and I truly felt like I was participating in making the city a better place.

[@davidb6576]

@@insomniapetals4424 You're still just a kid! When you can say 60 years ago (not 30) , then you can sigh. If you have the lung capacity for it...

[@insomniapetals4424]

@@davidb6576 Considering I've been smoking since I was 16,I probably won't! Lol

[@AKcondor]

Damn, I graduated from Eagle River High a few years back and I have never heard of it but I would have loved to participate.

[@affinityxs]

i really think both you and law by mike collaborate well together, it's good to see the both of you having takes on the issue and also having a sense of humour throughout the video

[@ultimatemacchia]

I mean in the story the Queen turns into an old lady to give Snow White the poisoned apple, so how can you prove that it's the same person or even that the old lady ever met the Queen?

[@elizabethb7931]

My brother got off easier than the other young guys that day (who were also there charged with stupidity and recklessness) bc he was the ONLY one in a suit (He also fully acknowledged that he was guilty and not making great choices in life at that time and had really screwed up here, but he was also seeking help and he'd really appreciate the opportunity to try to make better choices moving forward. So he just got probation and a suspended license)

[@Trumpeter667]

Love this Collab! And would love seeing some “Legal Antiquities” - perhaps covering the legal process of Salem in Arthur Miller’s “The Crucible”? Provide an explanation on the McCarthyism and Red Scare that inspired Miller to write the play from a legal perspective?

[@user-tm4my4jb6d]

Great idea

[@lanar.2599]

Love this!

[@HzizsVynryn]

The editing on this was incredible! Great job!

[@Andy-vz8mx]

I loved reading Antigone in Greek. It was super cool talking about how the story was more nuanced and the conflict less obvious than my High School teachers presented it.

[@discordlexia2429]

Words cannot describe how much I want Leagle to review an Ace Attorney case. My pick would be the first game's finale, the one with (the invincible) Mannfred von Karma. I'm dying to see how he'd react to the cross-examination of the you-know-what.

[@laurasweightlossjourney]

I did mock trial, I was Goldie locks and the judge sentenced me to bring him oatmeal for the next 20 years. The judge was actually the same judge who married my parents.

[@TimParker-Chambers]

Twenty years for three bowls of porridge?? (And I guess breaking and entering...) Surely a fine, and a couple hundred hours of Community Service, would have been more fitting for such minor crimes... It's not as if you/Goldilocks trashed their home... 🙈🙈🙈🙈

[@777gpower]

11:47 I think you might be able to solicit your services if you loudly proclaim your legal issues in the court before several lawyers- the lawyers didn’t go to you, you went to the lawyers

[@elliebellie3852]

Louise's "I did it, yea" is one of my favorite lines in the show.

[@woodencoyote4372]

I would love a series on trials of famous historical or literary characters. I got excited when you started going into Antigone.

[@giveaquestion9683]

Legal case for the queen: diplomatic immunity. Also, she seems to be an absolute monarch so no court would have the authority to put her on trial.

[@lilymarinovic1644]

Cos that argument worked brilliantly for Mary Queen of Scots and Charles I. If people are even putting a monarch on trial usually they have already considered and dismissed the idea of immunity

[@umusuuk]

yeah, I mean did she knowingly cause the death of another person, yes? is there a law that says the queen can't do that?

[@straightupanarg6226]

@@umusuuk Absolute monarchs are above the law (which is what the "absolute" part means) and can cause the death of any person they like with impunity.

[@22espec]

She is not an absolute monarch, the Good King was the absolut monarch, she is onlyin the throne until Snowahite is old enough to take control.

[@HenryLoenwind]

@@straightupanarg6226 My understanding is that the crime happened in the land of the dwarves and not the lands the queen ruled. This indeed would bring diplomatic immunity into play. On the other hand, there is the legal theory that every monarch rules over all the lands, their rule only is impeded by the border fortifications of other nations.

[@zevfeitelson]

I'm glad you two are friends

[@89Crono]

I also did a mock trial of Antigone in English class. My defense blew the prosecution out of the water.

[@DaoFAQ]

Was it basically that Antigone was abiding by divinely prescribed familial obligations and the Olympians’ authority supersedes Creon’s decree?

[@89Crono]

@@DaoFAQ Partially. It was a one two punch of all of the above plus the precedent ramifications that Greek armies had a general cultural agreement to allow the dead to be buried and leaving them unburried could lead to damaging relations in the future as well as ghostly justice from beyond the grave. It's hard to argue with zombies

[@kilomillensimus9379]

@@89Crono You sly boots, you knew the Trojan War and the blasphemies of Achilles were coming. Pretty good though!

[@ifind_Ubuy]

He loves being a lawyer so much that he knows the history..... RESPECT

[@Blackmuseops]

I was actually really interested in Antigone's trial. It's a treason charge btw

[@KingNexusMOCs]

I really love this collab. Great job, you guys

[@KarynHill]

I would totally watch a trial of Antigone. Her "sentence" was far harsher than it should have been, and may not even have been found guilty in the first place. And I definitely shouldn't be on the jury! 😁

[@mireiaortega4936]

Playing a bit of the evil's advocate here, while Antigone was moved by filial (and sisterly) piety and by the moral need to give her brother a proper burial, Creon's ban was necessary to keep the peace at Thebes. Those were harsh times just after a civil war and there had to be no mistake as of the terrible fate that awaited those who would try to fight again the established power again. Also, those who aligned themselves with the winning side resent all the bloodshed and would react badly to any attempt at forgiveness towards the losers. Hence the law forbidding the burial of Polynices. The point of Sofocles' play is just this opposition between the laws of the gods, universal and moved by morality, and the laws of the men, sometimes harsh but necessary to keep peace and prosperity. Creon knows that his sentence is harsh but he can't back down or he risks another civil war. That's what makes it tragic, because as an individual Antigone is pure goodness but her actions put the city's peace and wellness at risk, and she can't be spared because the price to pay would be too high.

[@KarynHill]

@@mireiaortega4936 I do get that but it's a ridiculous punishment for an understandable "crime." It was an immoral edict and Antigone had moral and deeply religious reasons for (technically) burying her brother. Creon was rash throughout, never really thinking through his decisions. And Eteocles had illegally defied the agreed-upon transition over to Polynices, who at that time was the legitimate ruler. I've never discussed the play with anyone else. Even if you disagree (and I expect you will), thanks for discussing it with me!

[@LoversAnonymousMusic]

I've been waiting so long for this!

[@Blackage2]

Now I want to see a Mock Trial of youtube lawyers defending something ridiculous.

[@scotthamrick8993]

Dude you beat me to it! Who you got? I think law by Mike would destroy.

[@KumaoftheForest]

I wanna see Legaleagle try and defend Ohmwrecker in court against H20Delirious

[@WarhavenSC]

4:06 -- Did the same in my English class, sophomore year. We did Euripides' "Medea," though.

[@HenryGK]

Speaking of classical law, it would be great to see you do a video on the trials of Cicero. A modern take on Pro Milone would be amazing, because the defence is "He did do it, but the victim had it coming".

[@marcusjay8103]

The end discussion had me laughing so damn hard! Hearing you discuss it and making logical arguments over things like her title/name etc 😂😂😂😂

[@psoma_brufd]

Amazing, been waiting on a full length crossover body since the announcement, two great online lawyer personalities teaming up for Bob's Burgers! What's not to love?

[@tulsatrash]

"How many people out there know this story?" You may be underestimating underestimate the audience crossover between Legal Eagle and Overly Sarcastic Productions.

[@williamedge5130]

I don’t know about suits with shorts, but I know for a while in West Africa (particularly Nigeria) suits with short sleeves were pretty fashionable

[@lilymarinovic1644]

And in Australia- doubtless a lot better in the middle of a stinking hot summer

[@KayleeFarnes]

I adore Bob's Burgers! This isn't my favorite episode, but still so happy to see you reacting too the show.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

I’m not sure using the Mirror as part of an insanity plea would be a good move, considering it legitimately is a magic talking mirror and thus could be called as a witness to disprove her insanity claim. And even if you disallow it as a witness due to being an inanimate object rather than a living person, surely it could be used as a piece of evidence just like security cam footage?

[@elizabethsmith3374]

Not if it didn't record the conversation

[@louisduarte8763]

If only the queen claims to hear what the mirror says, and nobody else, that could lean toward the "Yeah, she nuts" case.

[@Jemini4228]

It would be an interesting twist if the mirror was just a normal mirror and it's speech was just a hallucination based on the queen's own insecurities.

[@caidalee1994]

I actually love the story of Antigone! The story of a woman defying everything and risking death to do what she believed was right for a person she loved, especially when the wrong is to only to spite the dead, is always beautiful to me. The story will randomly pop into my mind every once in a while, always met with a “hell yeah, now what’re you gonna do King Creon? Wipe the dust off his body? Too late, he’s already resting!” So punk, lol

[@rominamartinez5544]

I need a recreation of the trial with both of you, the military lawyer as the judge and the doctor as juror 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Tymosofine]

The editor is really roasting today and as a fellow nerd, I’m loving it.

[@Vivi2372]

Really want to see you do a video on the anti-trans laws being proposed and passed in many US states. It's bad out there and I don't think a lot of cisgender people know how bad. There aren't enough of us to fight them ourselves and we could really use the awareness and support you could bring to the table.

[@BradyPostma]

The one in Utah passed over the Governor's veto. That was depressing.

[@Vivi2372]

@@BradyPostma I know so many trans people who are absolutely terrified of how many laws and attempts at them there's been this year. It's truly unprecedented. As soon as the GOP realized we're a socially acceptable target for their bigotry they went all in and even though I'm Canadian I weep for my trans siblings down there. America is easily at stage 6, maybe even arguably stage 7, of the 10 stages of genocide and it feels so damn hopeless for the immediate future.

[@BradyPostma]

@@Vivi2372 What are the ten stages of genocide? I've never heard of that before.

[@Garbimba1900]

1:54 suit shorts? Maybe it'll be a hit in Bermuda?

[@tahraethestoryteller6079]

Also someone putting questionable relationships on trial like Snow White and Prince Charming or Jacob/Bella or Edward/Bella would make a better mock trial in terms of education than the crimes of fairy tales Since all the fairy tales are black and white

[@tressonkaru7410]

What about lit red riding hood? Three stories. Who is telling the truth? 🕵️‍♂️

[@TimParker-Chambers]

And Eric and Ariel: Ariel's age was clearly stated at the beginning of the film - Eric was a jail-baiter... 🙈🙈🙈🙈🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@skinwalker3953]

Whoever edited this video is a *boss* !! This was a visual delight !

[@alexvankeulen7171]

Nice to know that my innocence doesn't matter in court if I'm not dressed to the judges satisfaction...

[@C.L.190]

To be fair, if you have half a brain, you're gonna be respectful to the court. You don't walk in looking like you don't give AF. That's like mouthing off to a cop, it's just ignorant, and counter productive.

[@thrawncaedusl717]

@@C.L.190 or it means you don’t have money and/or connections to get a good suit. This form of prejudice is completely unacceptable.

[@agentchaos9332]

" don't have the money or connection to get a good suit" Dude stfu, go to goodwill and buy a button up shirt for 5 bucks. Sometimes they have sports coats there too. Compared to the cost of a ticket, hiring a lawyer, probation fees if you get convicted, hell the Gas to get yourself to court is more expensive then a secondhand dress shirt. If you can afford ya phone bill to be on zoom ya lazy ass can afford business casual clothes. You don't need designer brands, you just shouldn't be wearing sweats and a t-shirt

[@agentchaos9332]

Cash Bail is REAL discrimination, the court dress code is just common courtesy and you making excuses

[@1366Erik]

@@thrawncaedusl717 Yeah, I don't think you need to be in a suit by any means. Just look clean and look like you actually put in effort.

[@Firazoid]

"Now that we only have one viewer left" Excuse me sir, I happen to be a student of Greek mythology and history, and there are significantly more than one viewer interested in watching that. There are tens of us!

[@TheBluePhenom]

Now I want to see Legal Eagle and other legal professionals review their own mock trial experiences. Preferably with video if it can be found in discovery

[@citizencalmar]

I would unironically watch a "Legal Antiquities" series. That sounds amazing.

[@TheLocomono9]

I would 100% watch you explain old plays with or without legal applications

[@robertmiller9687]

The only video where Law by Mike isn't 1000% annoying. I actually enjoyed hearing from him here on this video

[@Singeferno]

It most likely would have been on whether or not Antigone burying her brother was a violation of the law.

[@AretzJustin]

I worked for an attorney who showed up to the office in loafers, shirt, tie, blazer, and wet swimming shorts. He had been swimming at the Y and was running late. It wasn't the weirdest thing he had done.

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

Law by Mike looks like what a cartoon lawyer would look like

[@antonnurwald5700]

And Legal Eagle doesn't??? I think they really both do.

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

@@antonnurwald5700 Legal Eagle looks like one of those Advisers in City building games

[@egg_bun_]

@@DoctorCrescentMoon OMG YES LMAO

[@quinton1661]

I did a mock trial of "The Three Little Pigs". Since there is "The True Story of the Three Little Pigs" from the Wolf's perspective, it worked out great. We found the poor wolf not guilty of anything except having a cold. Poor guy.

[@joelschooler6949]

Would love to see legal antiquities

[@Dr_Larken]

@1:55 it doesn’t matter what you try to sell, there will always be somebody out there that will buy it! But most people don’t know how to get your product marketed to said people!

[@Amy-fd9xp]

I think you have to try on a short sleeve suit and short pants just for the meme of how cursed that combo is

[@user-cy9vd7rl4h]

2:27 I was fishing salad out of my teeth and reaching for a Hawaiian roll when I barely noticed the blurred background pop up behind the couch as it went away. Tapped rewind and had a good chuckle. Thanks, nerd!

[@joewilson3393]

5:20 I mean, the biggest issue with making jokes in court is delivery. If you have ever told a joke when everyone is being super serious and not ready to laugh you know how completely flat they can fall. And often the mindset can take a joke people would have found funny and make it something they react negatively to.

[@lmayorgaarnaiz]

Honestly I'd be down for a law & history channel

[@ZonieMusic]

Love both the collab and brilliant editing!

[@bendystrawz2832]

The editor went all out on this video. The references, the shirt colors changing as he described them! The "nerd ->" MIKE'S INTERNAL MONALOGUE (at 4:22), THE GUY HOLDING THE SIGN AT 12:40!

[@orel2109]

This collab is legendary. I hope to see more of you two together in the future!

[@Xython88]

The editing on this video is spot on Lol

[@karelfinn2343]

I read Antigone in college, so I actually found that part of the discussion interesting. I will agree that it's somewhat niche, though.

[@andyklapper8484]

My wife and I started watching The Lincoln Lawyer on Netflix. I'd love to hear your take on the show, especially since he occasionally describes the legal process to his driver.

[@corvidaecorvus9446]

Honestly, I'd love to hear if there's any weird cases involving human remains. I work in a mortuary, and it's not uncommon to have a body sit for a while cause the families are fighting over what to have done and the next of kin is contentious.

[@aggiesanvil]

We need a Legal Eagle and Ask a Mortician collaboration!

[@LordSStorm]

Ask a Mortician covers a few.

[@esta7763]

What's the longest you've seen a cadaver sit while people fight over what gets done to it?

[@corvidaecorvus9446]

@@esta7763 All states have provisions for limiting how long a decedent may sit, for public health reasons, and mine doesn't actually have a hard set limit on the books. But all state/local governments will eventually step in and force the decedent to be cremated. The one that came to mind was one where it was ex-wife and kids (cremation) vs. current wife (burial). I think we were approaching 75-ish days before the gov stepped in and told us to cremate. And last I heard, the cremains (ashes) are still there, almost a year later. So in short, for my state, the gov starts getting spicy about decedents around sixty days.

[@tatiana4050]

It not just about Antigone disobeying the king. Like every Greek tragedy, its about hubris. It's gods' duty to right the wrongs (like burying the body against the orders of the king) and it's hubris to think you are so glorious as to hold the same duty that gods do.

[@benjaminwells5388]

You laugh, but I'd watch you legal eagle all over some old plays.

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

Hey, I'm that one dude in your audience that loves classic Greek drama (Sophocles, Aeschyles, Euripides... all great!) and is also interested in law! I also love poetry and years ago I sketched a plan to write a series of dramatic monologues based on Aeschyles's Orestia Trilogy in which each family member would argue their case as if in court. The fact that this idea was actually used in mock trials in schools is quite surprising!