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[@LegalEagle]

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[@SylviaRustyFae]

Someone forgot to put the rule of perpetuities vid link in the description :(

[@badluck5647]

Read your new Morning Brew, because Musk is the board of Twitter now.

[@kuhpunkt]

💩💩💩

[@watainiac627]

Idk about memes, but I'd like to hear your take on Sae Nijima from Persona 5.

[@cailinwilson5460]

I’m not sure if you’re tired of hearing it, but I’m surprised you haven’t done a review on the Johnny Depp case! I’d love to see one!

[@lollipop23889]

Me, a 3L taking finals: "lemme watch this lighthearted video to lighten the mood a bit" Devin: "Yeah the bar exam really does sap up every ounce of your will to live"

[@maddymathis6797]

Don’t worry, you will get through it! Speaking as someone who took the February bar and passed. Getting sworn in on May 12.

[@LegalEagle]

But at least law school was fun!

[@johnladuke6475]

It's like the world has this inherent way of telling you that being a lawyer is not something anyone should ever do. You know, like when you put your hand on the hot stove once and then never ever again.

[@vividandlucid]

@@maddymathis6797 Congrats!

[@thexenosaiyan]

@@maddymathis6797 YOOOO CONGRATS MATE!

[@jamesonyates2388]

"Now that the American government is boring again. Well, at least from a legal perspective." And The Supreme Court took that personally.

[@robinb6771]

I was going to say ... well that didn't age well 😅😅

[@AutoGamerZ_]

I was scrolling through the comments wondering how long it'd be for me to find a comment like this.

[@HunchbackJack]

@@robinb6771 I came here to make exactly that comment. Sigh.

[@keldonmcfarland2969]

A rough draft on abortion gets leaked and the entire country (or at least those who have an opinion on abortion and those who care about the integrity of the court & legal system) go nuts. The most exciting thing about the (not-as-of-yet case law opinion) Alito rough draft will be comparing the final, official draft to the working-in-progress/rough draft.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Sad time for kiddy murderers

[@wslaxmiddy]

I got $4k from a class action against my former employer. Lawyers got $70k but I could care less I literally signed two papers and they did all the work I never went to court it was completely worth

[@arcturionblade1077]

"Couldn't care less," unless you're trying to tell us that you do indeed care at least a little.

[@wslaxmiddy]

Well they took 2k from me to make the 70k so yes I did care a small bit but not enough to matter. Nobody likes a grammar nazi online, especially a wrong one

[@Vfulncchl]

COULD care less??

[@theunknowman12]

Free money is free money

[@Isarai1705]

why did you get so little money if you're the victim. that sounds wrong idk

[@thrownswordpommel7393]

"I wish "motion to strike" meant I get to punch opposing counsel in the face" Some lawyer guy on Tumblr

[@Djorgal]

Why are you standing up and walking toward opposing counsel? "I move to strike!"

[@Carahan]

Someone in the California legislature thought that was funny, the motion to defend against a supposed SLAPP lawsuit...is a motion to strike. And if you are the defendant in a SLAPP suit you really do want to go punch both opposing counsel and plaintiff.

[@scottwpilgrim]

"I submit a motion to strike this moron from the record, and possibly his miserable rat face." "Motion granted, you may proceed."

[@ianfinrir8724]

@@Djorgal Pretty sure the Baliff would tackle him.

[@darkslayer366]

@@ianfinrir8724 ☝️

[@sydneybrown7636]

I’m not a lawyer, but him talking about the bar exam brings back terrible memories of taking my medical school boards. Totally broke, stressed out of my mind, trying to get through multiple steps of boards (that we pay for on our own though all of them aside from the first one are totally unnecessary and are purely for the NBME to make money) to go into a field that we desperately need people in but are essentially discouraged from doing so

[@deepinderbedi7143]

Man medical school in the states sounds rough. I'm studying for my Canadian Board exam rn and we have so many more supports here.

[@SeraphicSolicitor]

Two of my classmates went to different countries to get medical degrees directly after graduating, and by the time the classmate that went to the US became a doctor, the one who went to Europe had been a practicing physician for three years.

[@johnray6479]

@@SeraphicSolicitor but do the European doctor earn more than the American doctor? (I think they do but I do have the suspicion that privatised healthcare pays more than public healthcare (mainly thinking about nhs) )

[@_Limestone]

@@johnray6479 We do have private clinics in Europe, plenty of them. Just because a lot of the countries here offer functional public healthcare, it does not mean we don't also have private practises. Don't know what the wage comparison is going to be, I'm guessing it's out favourite lawyer's phrase "it depends".

[@SeraphicSolicitor]

@@johnray6479 Privatized doctors almost certainly make more than public sector doctors, but given that neither of the two of them were American/European (they're from SEA) in this case my point was that the American education system takes more money and time to produce someone whose knowledge and skills in the medical field are not fundamentally all that much different from someone under another system. I work in healthcare in the US now and don't get me wrong, there are very effective American doctors and I've seen a lot of problems overseas due to lack of equipment or training, but I don't think there's many people who would say that American healthcare is the pinnacle of cost-efficiency.

[@pranav3848]

Devin: "now that our government is boring again" Supreme Court: "say no more"

[@albertmendez2262]

Supreme Court: “I beg your pardon”

[@introvortex1649]

Supreme Court: “I beg to differ”

[@SquirrelGirl13]

Supreme Court: "Hearsay"

[@mikeackYT]

I was waiting for a "Justice Kavanaugh: Hold my beer"

[@marksavoia3687]

In thinking, keep to the simple. (Tao 8) Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither do you allow others to go in. (Matt 23:13)

[@thesmithersy]

If you think probate can't last for decades, look up the case of *Jennens v Jennens* in English law. It lasted 117 years before it was dropped because the estate ran out of money fighting it.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

I'd say that's the modern version of the blood feud, except for the fact the two sides were from the same family

[@curiousworld7912]

That reminds me of C. Dickens' 'Bleak House', and the 'Jarndyce v. Jarndyce' case. Perhaps, 'Jennens' is where Dickens came up with the idea.

[@leonmayne797]

@@curiousworld7912 It is.

[@curiousworld7912]

@@leonmayne797 I thought it must be. It's been years since I've read 'Bleak House', but I remembered the long, drawn-out legal case at the core of the story. And, I knew Dickens sometimes used fictionalized accounts of current or historical events in his work. Thanks. :)

[@18Hongo]

@@curiousworld7912 That was my first thought too. What a carry-on.

[@tommiegirl2441]

Hearing the words "It do be like that sometimes" from a lawyer/Georgetown law professor who wears Indochino in the streets and preaches the gospel of Oxford commas - stuff like that there is the reason I love this channel. Good show, Devin!

[@SimpaticoReal]

My favorite part was the text exchange with the judge, when the judge just instantly responded with "lol disbarred"

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

The response after that one was funnier to me.

[@AdrianColley]

My favourite part of that bit was that the whole exchange happened between 3am and 4am.

[@Faranya]

Not a lawyer, but the Oxford comma bit reminded me of it: doing technical documents at work when I started, my boss was reviewing a draft and pointed out that sentences should be preceded by two spaces. I told him that was an antiquated style convention and not necessary. He told me to do it anyway. I just didn't, and it's been nearly 10 years and I feel vindicated in that he's apparently either not noticed or come around to my view on things. Not going to ask for clarity though.

[@lynn2551]

Seems wise. Does he do right justification other outdated formatting too?

[@MarsJenkar]

I personally do the double-space between sentences myself, mostly out of habit. Wouldn't insist on others doing it, though.

[@joermnyc]

I mean it’s easy enough to find & replace all the single spaces with doubles in Word anyway.

[@anlumo1]

Double-space between sentences is a French thing and does not apply to any other language. Also, it's simply bad, because Word already leaves more space there anyways.

[@Foolish188]

Does he require you to use antiquated paragraphs? Does he demand that you stop using the modern run-on sentence?

[@SourGir1986]

"Some of those partners don't use the Oxford comma. They're wrong. They should be ostracized." Truer words were never spoken. How can people like that live with themselves? I'll never understand.

[@0Onyx13]

True. English isn't even my first language, and yet the lack of Oxford commas really bugs me, when I see it anywhere. Of course I just mean in books, newspapers, official stuff, etc. not chats, text messages, or so. In those, I often don't even put any punctuation at all, depending on the mood I'm in while writing, but I do put Oxford commas in tweets, albeit removing the spaces if needed, to save up on characters!

[@johndododoe1411]

@@0Onyx13 English isn't my first language either, but my own language is close enough to map most grammar both ways. Yet I never understood the names and definitions of comma rules other than the two I learned in primary school (one of which was sadly revoked in favor of some badly explained foreign rule).

[@Disatiere]

The reason people are perfectly fine not using the oxford comma, is because it's redundant. The comma is already inherently implied, therefore redundant in notation.

I have to admit, I gave my like on this video right at this moment

[@AdrianColley]

When those people get to the Pearly Gates, they'll be rejected for their comma shenanigans. St. Peter will send them down to hell with the blessing "say hello to your real parents, Satan and Hitler!"

[@Astraeus..]

Had no clue what "Oxford comma" was until I looked it up. My grandmother was an English teacher, I was just taught that this was the proper way to use a series of commas that separate a list of items. IIRC the explanation that made it simple was this; without the final comma it can give the impression that those final 2 items form a pair. If I were to say I need to go visit Dave, Shelby, Megan and Nick. If I don't use the final comma it seems like Megan and Nick are a pair.

[@Foolish188]

Lawsuits have been lost because of the lack of a comma.

[@Keenath]

@@catherined9475 While I personally love the Oxford comma, there are examples for both the Oxford and non-Oxford scenarios that read as ambiguous. I personally think the Oxford ambiguities are both less common and require a more tortured reading, but they exist. (The classic example is "My father, a judge, and a police officer went to dinner together", where it's not clear whether three people went to dinner or you're saying your father is a judge.)

[@someonespadre]

Punctuation saves lives: let’s eat Grandma vs let’s eat, Grandma.

[@daredaemon8878]

@@Keenath In general, the rule of thumb I have is simple. When it would matter whether or not I use an oxford comma, rewrite so it doesn't.

[@TaleDreamer]

@@Keenath I think a grammatically better version of that would be "my father, who is a judge, and a police officer went to dinner together". I find that it is not hard to avoid such misunderstandings if people wrote a few more words or apply proper punctuation.

[@babysleepysheepyrainbow]

My grandmother went to law school for most of my middle childhood, therefore most of my legal knowledge comes from her. I will never not be mad about the time she was 1 point away from passing the bar.

[@maddymathis6797]

There are currently so many former law students complaining of that exact thing on the bar exam subreddit. It is *surprisingly* common.

[@johnladuke6475]

It sounds unfair when you phrase it that way. But think about it like this. What do you call the person who graduates at the bottom of the class in medical school? You call them Doctor, because they graduated and now they're treating your illness. If you fail "just by one point" you _still failed_ and that's exactly why we have a test and standards to begin with. Sorry not sorry, I never want to hire your grandma as an attorney if she had to push a sob story to get that last point. Do, or do not. There is no try.

[@andrewharrison8436]

I guess you only sit the exam if you have a chance, so all fails should be by a small margin but 1 point must be heart breaking.

[@Tiwack01]

Hafta put the bar somewhere...

[@maddymathis6797]

@@johnladuke6475 maybe, but the bar exam is nothing like practice (closed book with a wide variety of subjects). Just because someone doesn’t pass the bar doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be an excellent attorney. There’s a reason why in the law community there’s a huge argument about abolishing the bar exam.

[@mwmulv]

Technical writer here. Glad to hear support for the Oxford comma.

[@MarsJenkar]

It's especially important in a legal setting. Laws have been written that lacked an Oxford comma and were interpreted in an unintended manner because of the resulting ambiguity. Devin's even done a video that features such a case.

[@benf6822]

It has its place. Not everywhere in every piece of writing, but it does have a place.

[@Secret_Moon]

@@MarsJenkar He's wrong though. The problem is more about arranging words rather than the Oxford comma. Take the example Devin gave himself, the O'Connor vs Oakhurst Dairy case. The problem lied in this bit of law for overtime payment exemptions: "The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing for shipment or distribution of: (1) agricultural produce; (2) meat and fish products; and (3) perishable foods." Now, people argue that because of the lack of comma between "packing for shipment" and "or distribution", the law meant the exemptions counted "packing for shipment or distribution" as one thing (packing) for exemption, instead of "packing for shipment" and "distribution" as two separate things that would both be exempted (as the government intended). Seem like a clear-cut case for the Oxford comma. However, had the law been written like this: "The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, packing for shipment, storing, or distribution of: (1) agricultural produce; (2) meat and fish products; and (3) perishable foods." Then you can see, even with the Oxford comma before the "or distribution", the meaning was still ambiguous. People can still read "packing for shipment, storing, or distribution" as one thing (packing), not "storing" or "distribution" as separate things from "packing of shipment". The problem lied in the fact that they put "packing for..." in the middle of the list, which could cause all subsequent listings to be grouped under it. It's not about the Oxford comma. If you want to put a compound phrase like that in the middle of the list, you have to number them clearly, like they did with "(1) agricultural produce; (2) meat and fish products; and (3) perishable foods." Otherwise, you have to put the compound phrase at the end of the list to avoid any ambiguity.

[@williamharris8367]

My (corporate) employer is vigorously opposed to the Oxford comma, to the point that it is covered in the official in-house style guide. I ignore this rule whenever I reasonably can since it is wrong!

[@danielle8861]

@@Secret_Moon He's not wrong. I don't work in law, I work as an editor. Not using the Oxford comma assumes that every reader will understand what you are saying and their brain will fill in the gap of information correctly. I don't know where you live, but you cannot make that assumption about any American. Truly terrible reading comprehension.

[@Highfalutinloyd]

A profession whose catchphrase could be, "It depends." Also that profession, "Don't go to law school unless you're 100% sure you want to be a lawyer."

[@mage3690]

Most professions could carry the catchphrase "it depends." Engineering is that way, construction is that way, honest sales are that way . . . Basically, only the Sith deal in absolutes. For all honest purposes, you can get any function you want--it just depends when you want it and how much you wanna spend.

[@blackeyedsusan727]

@@mage3690 Answered like a lawyer/future lawyer! 😂😂😂

[@HLMZSMBL]

I did not get most of the jokes but I find it funny when Devin tries to explain and laughs at the jokes 😂

[@bulletprooftiger1879]

I've watched Legal Eagle for years and had no idea his name was Devin 😂

[@voldlifilm]

I thought his name was Legal.

[@thajocoth]

4:29 - To add to your point about missing Oxford commas being dangerous: There was a legal document... (I forget if it was at the federal or state level. It might've been medicare/medicaid related, so it was probably federal.) that lacked an Oxford comma in a list of kinds of care to each receive a specified annual budget. Because there was no comma between the last two elements of the list, it was ruled that the two are sharing one budget. One of the two was Speech Language Pathology and the other was... I think it might've been Occupational Therapy? Or possibly Physical Therapy? I forget which exactly. The ruling clearly goes against the document's original intent, but it's been a big problem for nursing homes as a result who can't provide full proper care to their residents. A partner of mine is a speech language pathologist who used to work in nursing homes, so it's through her that I'm aware of this fact. One might think "What do nursing home residents need with speech therapy?", but one of the things an SLP does is help with swallowing disorders, something far more common among the elderly. She was deciding things like what consistencies of food were safe for which residents. And the budgets for this essentially got slashed in half by a judge many years ago, all because of one missing Oxford comma. (She now has her own practice, primarily as a gender-affirming voice therapist, so she no longer works in nursing homes.) Before knowing about this, I thought Oxford commas didn't matter. I now ALWAYS use Oxford commas.

[@danielle8861]

They absolutely matter because not using them assumes that the person reading something is smart enough to read a sentence and understand what you are saying without correct grammar. There is literally no way to make this assumption about any American and be correct .

[@thajocoth]

@@danielle8861 Yeah, that's the more general version. I was just giving one specific example of that.

[@namenamington]

There are as many cases where an Oxford comma causes confusion as there are where it resolves confusion. Ambiguity is to be avoided, but the Oxford comma is no magic pill to solve it, regardless of how many made up examples proponents of it make.

[@Chalicechick]

I used to know an English professor who got an occasional gig testifying about the plain meaning of contracts. This kind of thing paid her bills all summer.

[@MrGrimsmith]

I was taught specifically *NOT* to use the Oxford comma but that was more than 30 years ago in English Language. In England. I can appreciate where it may be necessary for legal documents but it still looks *wrong* to me. I suspect that matters have changed somewhat as the type of education I received was considered rather archaic at the time (spoken language was considered equally as important as written for example) but tradition matters when a schools has been running for a few centuries. They get a touch finicky about it :)

[@williamharris8367]

7:41 -- I am one of those rare creatures who attended Law School but who never wrote the bar exam. I realized by third-year that I had no desire to practice. I have subsequently landed two permanent positions where the law degree is an asset but not a requirement. This is not a career track that I would recommend (chance played a big role), but there are other options than being a lawyer.

[@dowenslyjean-brice8440]

if you don't mind me asking, what do you do cause that sounds interesting ngl.

[@cislife7140]

He's basically suit's the show whomever that guy is, I never seen the show tho

[@blackeyedsusan727]

Lawyer here (passed 2 bar exams in one week), and no hate. Sometimes wonder if I should have done the same. I realised between 2L and 3L that I had no interest in practising, and years later am very happy in my banking job (where my law degree is a big asset but not required). I loathed law school, however. I'm just glad it ended well for me.

[@julietardos5044]

On the flip side, you can take the bar exam without having attended law school, in some places.

[@Mister-Bones]

My cousin is a lawyer and I don't see her all that often, but when I do I ALWAYS make sure that we watch some Legal meme review, and she cracks up every time. She really enjoys your channel and it makes her visits that much more enjoyable

[@lunacouer]

Devin: "Alright, now that the American government is boring again...well, at least from a legal perspective..." Me: Watching this on May 3rd, after Justice Alito's draft opinion on overturning Roe v. Wade was leaked... 😳 Sir, please don't ever ever ever utter that phrase again. You just pulled a "How much worse can it get?" on us. 😅

[@Kittykat5kits]

Seconded

[@Patricia-b]

The way he used harvey as an example that tv shows way too many trials and not enough settlements, being that harvey's whole schtick is that he never goes to trial, he settles, had me in stitches.

[@patriciaa4451]

6:05 we had a Legal Writing course in Law school and one of our group projects was to translate paragraphs of the Magna Carta into non-legalese. I'm still scarred over that experience

[@williamharris8367]

What a bizarre assignment! Did you at least get to use an English translation (rather than the Medieval Latin original)?

[@AdrianColley]

"To no-one will we sell, to no-one delay or deny right or justice." seems pretty clear of legalese to me already.

[@zulubunsen9067]

I think the coffee one is on point with what you're saying. The "public litigator" is a standard pot coffeemaker, typically used throughout the day to provide a continuous supply of low-quality brew. The "in-house" one looks like a single-serve capsule machine -- not high-end but pretty good quality but only used occasionally.

[@hucklebucklin]

I work in house (well, public service) and we have that machine :)

[@PokhrajRoy.]

All of us want to be a fly on the wall when there’s a Tennis Match between Devin, our favourite lawyer and Opposing Counsel. 😂

[@johnstewart7362]

Are you ever going to have that cross over with Lock Picking Lawyer?

[@narnigrin]

"How do I say this without offending... everyone?" Great sign we're getting into some top-tier professionalism with that preface!

[@michaelmoroney423]

LegalEagle sent a poop emoji to Judgy Judge at 3:17 AM, yet somehow Judgy Judge's response was sent at 3:16 AM. Something's not adding up here.

[@nairsheasterling9457]

Do not question the methods of Judgy Judge. Holding in contempt of court is the only outcome.

[@speedracer2please]

@@magellanthecat Objection, the timestamp is based on the time the local device received the message

[@someonespadre]

I’m surprised he doesn’t say Good Morning, Your Honor, of all the Judges I’ve met you’re the Judgiest!

[@NukeMarine]

Judges 3:16 - Now Ehud had made a double-edged sword about a cubit long, which he strapped to his right thigh under his clothing. Well, I don't think that's the hidden joke.

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

It could actually be like that sometimes, because occasionally the message will be sent and received before the sending device confirms it was sent. It then received the reply and marks the time, and then marks the time sent on the previous message after that, after confirming the previous message had actually been sent. I haven't seen that specifically, but I have had people reply to messages that my device reported as 'not successfully sent.'

[@CostlyFiddle]

10:25 "Your Honor, my intention was to relay to opposing counsel that I like chocolate ice cream."

[@madelinecrump9552]

They made all the BSc students take a course that included the ability to communicate ideas to the average layman, and then in 300level they really tested it with some particular assignments, so I really agree a communication class should be either offered or required in any degree where you end up with such Niche specific knowledge that any given person is far less likely to understand.

[@nitzan3782]

5:45 if I'm not mistaken, in Better Call Saul, the Sandpiper case was a class-action case, and we as an audience are shown how important it is to hold them accountable AND how lucrative it is.

[@teamcyeborg]

10:39 The fact that this is going on at 3 in the morning, AND the fact that the timestamps are messed up, make this legitimately hilarious

[@riftdancer1349]

So here's a question: With the evolution of medical science, what happens if we get to the point where we can resuscitate cryogenically frozen patents? I would assume they would get their identity back, but what about bank accounts and property? I know they have procedures for legally bringing someone back from the dead if they where found after they had gone missing and were presumed dead. Would they have to do the same thing in this hypothetical? What about the passage of time? Like a person has been frozen for 80 or more years. It's a morbid question, but it's interesting.

[@williamharris8367]

One would hope that the "deceased" transferred its assets into a trust or similar arrange first. If the estate has been distributed, there is little hope for recovery -- especially after ~80 years when the original heirs would themselves be dead, as possibly also the next generation. My Great-grandfather, for example, died in the 1930s. Not only is his house long demolished, the site is now part of a park. It is well beyond recovery.

[@Jacob-Sophia]

@@williamharris8367 From what I’ve read most people who buy into cryogenics end up willing all their earthly assets to the cryogenics company to pay for their decades/centuries long storage.

[@chiaracoetzee]

The first person to be revived would likely receive plenty of resources from scientific grants who want to study them and extract information from their memories. They wouldn't need their own property anymore. But if it became common and less valuable scientifically or to historians, at that point you'd probably be counting on either a government program or on your descendants to support you while you get back on your feet.

[@steelbear2063]

I mean they probably would not be considered dead in the first place

[@Trevin_Taylor]

Can and May are different. As soon as someone is close to that tech laws will be passed banning it before it happens.

[@MedievalSolutions]

I used to be an assistant at a big law firm (will not name drop, but they are on the top 10 list). Watching a lawyer on partnertrack make one single mistake have have their career just vanish from them forever... I think I'd still have nightmares about that if I was a law student.

[@claw887]

"now that the government is boring again, from a legal perspective" - Legal Eagle 4/30 Supreme Court on 5/2: "Hold my beer"

[@GleamingGlint]

I probably would have liked this video anyway, but thank you for confirming from a legal standpoint that properly using the Oxford comma is the only correct way.

[@Persistence_run_444]

You should cover the Cummings v. Premier Rehab decision from April 28. The court gutted the rehabilitation act, title II of the ADA, Title VI of the civil rights act, and parts of the ACA.

[@kingflumph5968]

"indochino in the streets, Mack Weldon in the sheets," boy I hope you got a fat undisclosed amount of money for that one 🤣🤣

[@mordsythe]

Having looked up “Oxford Commas” I can say for sure that they should be used at any, every, and all times.

[@NJPCofficial]

Legend has it he was born in a suit.

[@Hannah-qo2es]

As someone currently watching this video as a break from studying the bar, I can in fact confirm that it is a “tough time” 😐. send good vibes everyone.

[@WhatsPreciousMakesAnyoneScared]

You can do it!!

[@kylewojtylko7901]

I just started a business recently and whenever I have my lawyer explain taxes and tax law to me I always ask for it to be explained like I'm 5 years old 😂

[@rosaate]

While it's easy to blame the poop emojis for Devin's disbarment, Judgy Judge actually (correctly) disbarred him for ex parte communication.

[@scottwpilgrim]

What if Counsel adds the other party to the group chat?

[@GeorgeDCowley]

@@scottwpilgrim Then they are in the wrong.

[@heartyunho0716]

Me, an officer: explaining to the judge why I charged the man with disregarding a red light and concealing a firearm without a conceal carry permit. Defendant (representing himself): explaining exactly how he did that but why Judge: I mean...it sounds like you're guilty

[@AdrianColley]

Somewhere on KZbin there's a wonderful Judge Judy clip (I know, I know). Plaintiff complained that her bag was stolen by defendant, which defendant denies. Plaintiff lists all the items that were in the bag at the time. One of the listed items is "an earpiece" (presumably a Bluetooth headset). Defendant interrupts to say "there was no earpiece in there, ma'am". Instant judgement for the plaintiff. Hilarious.

[@FezFindie]

Heh, people going to Law School for the wrong reasons reminds me of how often in Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares problems stem from the fact that many restaurant owners opened up because they thought it'd be a casual thing to do on the side. Reality hitting when turns out they actually have to dedicate a lot more than they thought.

[@LadyOnikara]

And when people who have lived their whole life in the city decide one day, "Hey! Farmers seem to make a lot of money for little effort. I'll run a farm!" Then they try it for a week and run screaming back to the city.

[@FezFindie]

@@LadyOnikara So much for that "Simple Lifestyle". Wonder what would crack'em first? Dealing with animals or very early hours?

[@missflorathewriter9014]

@@FezFindie Moose and hornets in the summer, bears in the fall, and a legion of mice in the winter, well water, 2+ hour drives to the nearest anything at all (like post office, hospital, grocery store, etc..) Not counting the ticks, fleas or garden pests and diseases that ruin your crops if you don't know what you're doing. It's a lot of work 😅

[@FezFindie]

@@missflorathewriter9014 Indeed, truly a casual and borderline cozy sidething for one~

[@saintroddy]

7:11 of all the TV lawyers, he had to pick the one whose main motivation is to never go to trial lol

[@Lostadvent]

I think it’s time for you to talk about the AH vs. JD trail. I need you commentary!!!

[@Ashas.Garden]

Isn’t it JD v. AH?

[@Lostadvent]

@@Ashas.Garden you are definitely right, I am just a simple man.

[@123armyoftwo]

They are probably doing it already. They're just making sure they get the facts right and edit some stuff.

[@zottelhuehs6375]

Legal bytes has a lot of coverage over the court case (live streams and daily updates)

[@marcusgaius]

@@123armyoftwo they?

[@brunette3cookie]

So true about the bar, especially financially. Between the exam and prep programs, it's several thousand dollars to even take it. 8 hours a day, 7 days a week for three months. Most people cannot afford to be unemployed that long. Then, if you fail, you have to find that time and money again. Bar prep and the bar are just hell that I wish upon no one

[@imperialwarhawk123abc5]

I feel it is fair that class actions make a crap load of money. They are typically holding rich and powerful entities accountable. The reward for holding the powerful accountable should be big.

[@bhart3321]

Maybe, but they get 30% all to themselves while the remaining 70% is divided up amongst the hundreds or possibly thousands of victims that have potentially been financially ruined but get maybe a few hundred or few thousand dollars, nowhere near a life changing amount they deserve after the pain & suffering they endured. That's the rub.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

They should be illegal. If someone doesn't want to sue for their thirty bucks, so be it. Should an attorney rake in millions (yeah, you, Stan Chelsey) just by being a thorn in the side of those with money? No percentages, no class actions, losing party pays. It will never happen, 'cuz lawyers are in charge.

[@vadalia3860]

@@UncleKennysPlace What's the taste of billionaire boot like? You sounds like an expert in it

[@Foolish188]

As long as the ultimate reward isn't a discount coupon.

[@thomasbecker9676]

Yes, because lawyers are renowned for putting ethics, morality, and public interests above cashing in.

[@robertp457]

Shouldn't the US Legal system: 1) be taught in school 2) not be so mystifying that most people understand it? These laws apply to most Americans, but it's too complicated for most people to understand it with the amount of education most American's get. I was taught nothing about law in my 12 years of public education.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

The constitution is barely taught in high school, but the US school system is broken

[@annana6098]

It really should be taught as a part of senior year, along with filling out paperwork for a free valid state ID. It's nonsense that grown adults are out there trying to get jobs and buy beer and don't have any form of legal ID, everyone should have one available. I'm off the mind that taxes shouldn't have to be taught other than the understanding of them, taxes should be simple enough to do if you can read properly; it's the tax prep agencies that want it complicated. But a lot of people still go around thinking this or that is legal or the government works in ways it doesn't, and education should teach us that.

[@AnarexicSumo]

I was taught it along with mock trials so you have my sympathies but also don't assume every system is as defunct as yours. I should also say that people are taught algebra and geography and many don't know anything about either. I would like to think people would take it upon themselves to retain the barest info about their own government but you literally can't fix stupid.

[@nocturnalpotato4379]

I love that knowing for an absolute fact you want to be a lawyer still only means that law school is *probably* for you.

[@laurahubbard6906]

As far as the probate issue goes, you need to read Dickens' "Bleak House."

[@bloodhoundofaspenwood291]

Legal Eagle: "Now that the American Government is boring again" American Government: "Hold my beer, gotta overturn Roe v. Wade real quick"

[@introvortex1649]

Also American Government: “wait that was leaked??? Crap. That isn’t our final decision!”

[@johndododoe1411]

Well they have a limited time until Biden's first appointee gets a vote. The slave breeders have spent decades packing the court, training new potential SCOTUS members all the way from law school for the single purpose of overturning that verdict.

[@podemosurss8316]

2:00 In some countries (mostly European) you can work after graduating with no further exams. In Spain, you need to join what is called a "College of Lawyers" (Colegio de Abogados), but those don't require exams. What requires further exams is working for the government (as a prosecutor or a judge), then you have to pass exams called "oppositions" (oposiciones), which are very hard as well, but for the rest, as long as you join that professional college, you can start working as is.

[@rjald4910]

As a German, who's studying german law, I followed the Jonny Depp trial, and watched some court scenes, which made me realize just how different the two legal systems are. I find it very questionable, to have layman judges, as the jury, to decide over a case. As well as the etiquette and behavior in the trial feels so devoid of decency and mutual respect. As well as the constant interruptions/objections, "hearsay", and so forth are astounding. That the judge isn't objecting himself to the behavior of the prosecutor is, to be quite honest with you, astounding.

[@fasdaVT]

Well there are no prosecutors in that case. In the US a prosecutor is only the representative of the government in a criminal case. This is a civil case and if civility and mutual respect was still an option there would have been a settlement not a trial. Lawyers aren't there to be nice to the opposition they are there to win for their clients. As for lay juries, how often are there really going to be legal technical issues are going to be an important part of a case? And if they do that's when the appeals courts start up.

[@bennykrebschristensen5215]

@@magellanthecat Here in Denmark, under no circumstances would a camera be present, it is not allowed. And I think that would turn down the acting a bit.

[@kennashey]

@@fasdaVT All trials have legalese and technical issues. Also every case can, theoretically, go to appeals court if it meets the criteria, and that is a constitutional right.

[@mckitten9643]

@@magellanthecat The main difference is that the english (and american) system is an adversarial trial, whereas the german (continental) version is an inquisitorial trial. I.e. the idea in german court is not that you have two lawyers who are battling it out (and let the best man win) but rather that the judge(s) and both councils are supposed to engange in a team-effort to arrive at the actual truth. You still need representation for both sides because you want to prevent bias, but they're ultimately not supposed to fight each other but rather both are there to inform the judge.

[@legostarwarsfan1662]

One issue with a jury is that a jury is probably far less likely to ignore improper testimony than a judge. A judge can say that improper testimony is to be stricken from the record and ignored, but a jury with no training and limited understanding of the complexities of the legal system (quite understandably) will struggle to do so. A judge, assuming they are properly trained and can be trusted to be impartial (admittedly a big assumption) will be more likely to come to a decision based on what is legally relevant as opposed to improper testimony and performances by the lawyers that are irrelevant to the legal question at hand. Not to say that a judge-based system is perfect, as it is potentially more vulnerable to the biases of a single individual, but I personally am not sure that the American system of "juries for (almost) everything" is the best one.

[@astergh0st]

the legal meme review implies the existence of an illegal meme review, and that is something i'd love to see

[@ImperatorZor]

Stephenson's Rocket was an early locomotive built in 1829 by English engineer Robert Stephenson. While not the first steam locomotive, it was among the most influential. Rocket was locomotive to be laid out in what would become the standard configuration for steam locomotive and was the first locomotive to achieve a top speed of 45 kph. It demonstrated itself at a "Steam Fair", in which various locomotive prototypes by various inventors were put forth and competed against each other, with Rocket being the clear winner of the competition.

[@lynn2551]

I didn't know that there was a Steam Fair, but I want to go to one now

[@hjalfi]

@@lynn2551 I've been to one! They're surprisingly cool, if you like people with beards, flat caps and blue overalls racing traction engines (slowly). Also, until you've heard a genuine steam calliope at close range you don't know dangerous fairground music can be...

[@Barnaclebeard]

Seems crazy to name an early steam pressure vessel and potential bomb after a technology that was only used for blowing things up at the time.

[@danieljensen2626]

What the hell does this comment have to do with the video?

[@TheWOOFinator1337]

10:48 Wow the judge was so quick they disbarred you before you could even send the emojis.

[@elizabethhuang9789]

Any board/bar/license exam…shudder. I remember one girl retreating to the cloak room and bawling her eyes out after round one of the written exam.

[@ArkVogel]

2:34 In-house is a Keurig coffee "maker", where you just slap in a capsule with instant (often flavored) coffee. Some of these are just like those 3-in-1 powders, just with extra steps.

[@wiseguy8828]

This should be titled “making jokes funnier by having a lawyer explain them” 😀

[@gavinng9969]

The car meme was how I felt when the lawyer teaching skills for the bar exam refused to accept that negligence was the only head I needed to plead and insisted that occupiers liability had to be pleaded. Fast forward 5 years and the highest court subsumed occupiers liability into the head of negligence.

[@Mewse1203]

Not only is the Oxford comma CORRECT, but its exclusion has cost people millions. Attorneys, especially big firm partners, should know this.

[@aaronleverton4221]

Sounds like judges don't know grammar.

[@jbshiva865]

The Oxford Comma is just another arbitrary language rule that can come and go out of fashion like everything else about language.

[@JacenHawk]

@@jbshiva865 Ok, but it REALLY shouldn't.

[@JM-wu8bh]

I do IT. You can just highlight all instances where an Oxford comma is needed and allow for review. You can easily force a double-space after a period for readability also through a simple program

[@Secret_Moon]

I still say the problem is more about arranging words rather than the Oxford comma. Take the example Devin gave himself, the O'Connor vs Oakhurst Dairy case. The problem lied in this bit of law for overtime payment exemptions: "The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing for shipment or distribution of: (1) agricultural produce; (2) meat and fish products; and (3) perishable foods." Now, people argue that because of the lack of comma between "packing for shipment" and "or distribution", the law meant the exemptions counted "packing for shipment or distribution" as one thing (packing) for exemption, instead of "packing for shipment" and "distribution" as two separate things that would both be exempted (as the government intended). Seem like a clear-cut case for the Oxford comma. However, had the law been written like this: "The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, packing for shipment, storing, or distribution of: (1) agricultural produce; (2) meat and fish products; and (3) perishable foods." Then you can see, even with the Oxford comma before the "or distribution", the meaning was still ambiguous. People can still read "packing for shipment, storing, or distribution" as one thing (packing), not "storing" or "distribution" as separate things from "packing of shipment". The problem lied in the fact that they put "packing for..." in the middle of the list, which could cause all subsequent listings to be grouped under it. It's not about the Oxford comma. If you want to put a compound phrase like that in the middle of the list, you have to number them clearly, like they did with "(1) agricultural produce; (2) meat and fish products; and (3) perishable foods." Otherwise, you have to put the compound phrase at the end of the list to avoid any ambiguity.

[@danadnauseam]

I remember the time I had to explain to a client the difference between a protective order and a restraining order. He didn't want to agree to a protective order and wasn't processing my description until I told him I called it a discovery order.

[@verdatum]

I like when you cover things that only other lawyers/law-students would understand. It is much more entertaining to me than reacting to mainstream stuff.

[@GIRLintheGLOWINGmask]

And paralegals!!!!!

[@verdatum]

@@GIRLintheGLOWINGmask Oh, absolutely! My sister recently switched from teacher, to full-time-mom, to being a paralegal for her lawyer friend. She seems to really like the work!

[@fotofeary6]

I would love to hear your take on the news about the SC possibly overturning Roe V Wade. Especially since the info was leaked when it wasn’t supposed to.

[@jamesgillum9604]

the existence of this video implies the existence of the, perhaps more alluring, PROFESSIONAL ILLEGAL memes

[@johnkneeshaw8008]

OOPS! All engineers.

[@chrismanuel9768]

"Lawyer-Client Communication" should absolutely be a required course

[@chrishubbard64]

"How to tell your client their lawsuit is stupid and will never work without him going next door to another lawyer to sue you over being mean. 101" "How to say, "That is illegal, stop trying to tell me to do it." and make them understand. 102"

[@Moon-Vixen]

I recently started playing Tears of Themis, a game where you play as a lawyer and help people get out of terrible situations. it takes place in 2030 and in a fictional country called Stellis (though the game is Chinese, might be based on Chinese law, idk) but having watched this channel for so long I love the court scenes and all the moments I can tell they messed up. thankfully there's no like, entering the well and wandering around, but in the first case you introduce evidence *in court* without giving apposing council a chance to see it, and even call to the stand instantly someone who was otherwise uninvolved at all in the case, and had no reason to be there or on standby. it's wild and I love noticing these things. it's free to play and acts like a visual novel (basically just a bunch of reading) so you should totally check it out for a video if you're interested! I'd love to see you tear it apart and catch things I missed!

[@torgranael]

I can't help but laugh at the idea of just GIFing opposing council like it's Tasha's Hideous Laughter. I've heard of elaborate and classy shit-posting (such as in his How to Sue God video, and an unrelated NSFW case related to firearms accessories), but that's next level.

[@change_my_mind9891]

Obviously we need your take on the Heard / Depp trial!

[@akmaldanial67]

He did talk about the lawyer objecting to his own question in a short.

[@ticklezcat5191]

Probably waiting for the trial to finish so he can get it all in one.

[@qwopi1337]

We should really wait until it's over that's when his input would be the most interesting tbh

[@change_my_mind9891]

@@qwopi1337 of course

[@assassinmagic7478]

Law really interests me, career wise I'm a gardener but it's a fun hobby learning how American Law works, I'm not sure how much info you say is accurate to the UK Law system as you talk about US Law, but as someone who has a lawyer for a sister it's fun to learn how you do things across the pond

[@sumsumsums]

We had a guy defending himself from a speeding ticket, asking some...interesting questions. Prosecutor objects and the judge responded: "no, I wanna see where this goes." Almost took me out right then and there.

[@brianmcmanus4347]

I would love to see what you think of the Steven Donziger situation. A lawyer was charged and jailed for not violating his ethics. This seems like the most important case for the profession of law.

[@chestersnap]

So before hearing the explanation of the coffee meme review: I know very little about types of law but I'm very serious about my coffee (apparently I'd practice environmental law which I find acceptable). In house being Keurig tells me so much 😂😂😂

[@genestealerjon3033]

I'd be in entertainment lmao.

[@tirsden]

Boiling water in a saucepan and adding it to a mug that has instant coffee in it wasn't in the list. I will never know my true law place... oh, wait, right. Public defender.

[@liamwarnock5960]

Could you weigh in on the whole quantumtv debacle and the legality of copyright theft abuse on KZbin?

[@MrRickwe76]

I am not even a lawyer but I have had my favorite judge clown me in court over the same bail defendant not showing up for a second time after standing behind the bond for 1st no show. That was embarrassing. I was able to get retribution later outside the court room. R.I.P. Rick Maughmer, Cass County Superior Court II. He was helluva judge and gentleman.

[@scruffiestofnerfherders7397]

1/3 of my dad's law school went because they did not know what to do after college. That is an expensive lesson to learn

[@bluegizmo1983]

Class action lawsuits are great! I was awarded a little over $8,000 in a class action lawsuit over a medication that the manufacturer illegally stopped generic brands from coming on to the market, this forced patients to buy the very expensive name brand. Since I was on that medication daily for over three years during the class action window, I was awarded a fairly large sum.

[@dionlindsay2]

Yes, but didn't that just replace money you'ld lost by being forced to buy the more expensive product? So did you make any money at all?

[@bluegizmo1983]

@@dionlindsay2 In my particular case, yes. But there were other people who I knew who were on Medicaid so they never had to pay for their prescriptions at all, but because they were still patients taking the medication every month and the class action suit didn't require you to have paid out of pocket for the medication, just that you were prescribed and taking the medication, they still also received the $8,000 settlement.

[@acelilumelody4445]

"Opposing council is always so full of themselves" a burn but also a self burn as you are someone elses opposing council 🤣

[@MorellioBenoir]

You gotta break down the whole Supreme Court abortion law thing legally. There are terms like draft opinion, what does that mean exactly?

[@motherofthetans]

I just got my portion of a settlement from a class action lawsuit--a hefty $11.38 🤣 🤣

[@whocares9033]

I just "won" about $8 from a price-fixing scheme by the milk companies in the Midwest What was yours for?

[@lynnes1864]

I once got a check for 25 cents. Yes, cents. I don't even remember what the case was about.

[@whocares9033]

@@lynnes1864 I would've framed that 🤣

[@sloth0jr]

Love the lightheartedness of these. Thanks!

[@Clasteau]

BTW, if I haven't said so before, I just LOVE the high level of production you put into this. Great editing, great sound and video. Quality work in addition to quality content.

[@samg6940]

I figured I'd add to the dozens of comments asking you to make a video about the SCOTUS leak. Your platform could help millions of people break down the implications of this decision

[@sophiahughes5355]

"Now that the government is boring again" This aged faster than milk.

[@Emilio1985]

I mostly laughed because you laughed and I didn't want to feel left out. I'm glad you got a kick out of those memes. And thanks for trying to explain them :)

[@SkyeBerryJam]

Having an uncle who is a judge makes understanding some of these so much better

[@mikeharrison6039]

Congratulations on being a law professor one of my closest friends is a former lawyer turned law and history professor. Had his class in college my freshman year 13 years ago and still go to lunch with him once a month Edit : I’m a history teacher his class was politics and government

[@voltsu]

My dad took the bar exam with JFK Jr. Everyone called him Little Johnny. He was apparently good to study with.

[@bea4156]

Awesome! Tysm for starting my Saturday morning on a great note! 💯

[@omarali262]

I got inspired by this channel and Better Call Saul to study law at an online university and now I'm 2 years in. Probably not the best reasons to go into it, but they aren't the only reasons, actually if anything you and the show just made me realize the actual reasons I want to if that makes sense. But yeah, now that I'm learning law these jokes make a lot more sense and are way funnier to me.

[@immortalasirpa8199]

There is no person who suffers greater agony when a pro se litigant takes the stage *than the court reporter.* You can run to that safe space in your head, but *we can't.* My agency has a short-straw method to deal with them. I prefer *seppuku.* 🥶

[@GIRLintheGLOWINGmask]

From the paralegal....MUCH respect to the court reporters!!!!

[@immortalasirpa8199]

@@GIRLintheGLOWINGmask why thank you, my dear. And I know *it's you* keeping that law firm running. Not those prima donna attorneys, bellowing in front of the court reporters like opera singers lol

[@ignitionfrn2223]

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[@torgranael]

Are you aware you're missing 1/3 of your timestamps?

[@laurenarigo3894]

The fact that lawyers don’t need to be at trial often is one of the reasons the moment my uncle’s father passed away he sold their office near the court house in the city and moved it closer to his house and not in the city. He hated having to drive there the only person who will miss it will be his sister-in-law who used his offices parking on the weekend when going to events.

[@cmerk100]

"Boring from a legal perspective" as the supreme court talks about overturning roe vs wade, whew!

[@jamesmoyner7499]

Okay in regards to class action settlements. It should be for those and mass tort cases the lawyers do not end up with more than 5% of the winnings and everything else goes to the people they are representing.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Oh yay, now I get $23.

[@dillonhounshell9786]

@@SimonBuchanNz More than $17.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

@@dillonhounshell9786 I'd rather the lawyer has 6× the incentive to get it at all, myself.

[@rsalbreiter]

I hate that you're making defend lawyers but when you're taking on thousands of clients for a single case, it's very expensive. They also don't make a dime if they lose. I was part of a class action against a former employer for unpaid wages, the lawsuit went on for about 3 years. We won but the company restructured with bankruptcy and no one got paid

[@tastethejace]

Good luck finding representation! "Hey attorney, work to the bone and your life away, to fight for my cause for nothing. Maybe a nickel on the dollar?" Again, good luck!

[@mandalorethebosss]

I just imagine legal eagle just plays his videos for his lectures and just chills

[@macandcheese__]

man, you gave a good advice there in meme #10 about whether or not going into law school would be for anyone. literally the only reason i'm continuing law despite ALL the STRESS is because I want to be a lawyer (for the right reasons). at one point in your law school journey, that desire will be the only thing carrying you through, even when gallons of coffee doesn't work anymore.

[@user-ej4eq5im4r]

6:00 That's literally how we study here. Professors keep telling us to explain things in simple words or the way we will remember them, rather than just remembering stuff word for word without any understanding of the subject. Not only that will help with clients, but it also shows them that we actually know what we're talking about. One of the first classes I've had in law school was exactly that: Dumb things down, because we're talking about SCIENCE