Real Road Test: 2019 Fiat Panda Cross TwinAir - sounds amazing!

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2 жыл бұрын

If, like me, you like unusual engines, the Fiat TwinAir is one of those motors that piques the interest. Twin-cylinders, allied to a tiny turbocharger here, mean an 875cc engine with plenty of punch. All the better that this one is wrapped in a Fiat Panda Cross 4x4.
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@glifwsatti
@glifwsatti 2 жыл бұрын
"I like goth chicks" Hubnut for life 🤘
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 2 жыл бұрын
Heck yes!
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 2 жыл бұрын
Does Mrs. HubNut know this!? :P
@HubNut
@HubNut 2 жыл бұрын
She is aware. Not averse to a bit of dark eye makeup...
@kentishman5698
@kentishman5698 2 жыл бұрын
@@HubNut what you or her?
@nlpnt
@nlpnt 2 жыл бұрын
My first thought was that this must be Mrs. HubNut's car.
@overwatch1774
@overwatch1774 2 жыл бұрын
The Fiat Panda is one of the few modern cars that I actually like. The other notable one is the new Dacia Sandero.
@Luckyjo21
@Luckyjo21 2 жыл бұрын
Suzuki Jimny isn't that bad either, nice shape
@domniven
@domniven 2 жыл бұрын
I quite like the dacia duster
@nelizmastr
@nelizmastr 2 жыл бұрын
The Sandero is an incredible deal, especially the version with LPG. It's a last gen Clio, which in its own right was a great car, but can't be beaten in terms of value.
@worldwidetrucking13
@worldwidetrucking13 2 жыл бұрын
@@Luckyjo21 in my country " Netherlands " a new Jimny costs 45000 ish Euro .... can't compare that with the money of a Panda or Sandero ... not even close
@mark70s29
@mark70s29 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@andrewthornegeo
@andrewthornegeo 2 жыл бұрын
I drove it back from North Wales to Dorset today. I took me 9 hours because I wanted to go the long way :).
@HubNut
@HubNut 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me drive it. Very enjoyable.
@jonjones6583
@jonjones6583 6 күн бұрын
Was the car really as slow as it looks with the lawnmower engine?😂
@andrewthornegeo
@andrewthornegeo 5 күн бұрын
@@jonjones6583 It was OK. Nothing special but 85hp in a small light car is not too bad.
@jonjones6583
@jonjones6583 5 күн бұрын
@@andrewthornegeo I am downsizing to a Panda cross, so I to will have to get used to a small engine vehicle, for cost and saving the planet 🌏 Thanks for your feedback anyway.
@HerrBjork
@HerrBjork 2 жыл бұрын
It's so great to see that quirktastic, small-ish cars are still being made, and it's undoubtedly Italian
@CreRay
@CreRay 2 жыл бұрын
Not any more, it’s been replaced with a 3 cylinder engine somewhere in 2020 I think.
@HerrBjork
@HerrBjork 2 жыл бұрын
@@CreRay Aw that's a shame, though it wouldn't surprise me since the average buyer isn't looking for quirky and characterful
@Hell-Hound1
@Hell-Hound1 2 жыл бұрын
@@CreRay The 4x4 still comes with the TA engine.
@HubNut
@HubNut 2 жыл бұрын
Fiat don't make a three pot I don't think. They may get their hands on the PSA one now they're in the same family.
@mrgoodkat3722
@mrgoodkat3722 2 жыл бұрын
@@HubNut The new “mild hybrid” Fiat 1.0L engines are 3 cylinder units.
@TheStobb50
@TheStobb50 2 жыл бұрын
Couple of years ago I was up on the Cairngorm,s, the Mountain rescue people and found out they were still running around in market one Pandas 4x4 because they said they found they could get to places in snow that the bigger four-wheel-drive couldn’t, the thought of a Land-rover stuck and a little Panda whizzing past I think that deserves a little respect I think
@tonyb5884
@tonyb5884 2 жыл бұрын
The non 4x4 panda from the 80's was great in snow on the road with its narrow wheels and boxy styling and low weight...so any panda 4x4 must be great
@MichaelThomas-be7gq
@MichaelThomas-be7gq 2 жыл бұрын
Delighted you get it Ian - we have one, and it's been flawless for 3 years. Honestly, I can't stop laughing when I drive it (it's the wife's car and school run machine), bags of charisma, hilarious engine note, and it rides wonderfully for a small car. We live in the Chiltern Hills and get snow in winter, Fiat specced it with All Season tyres, and it's a proper mountain goat. On snow, and the green stuff, unstoppable. 1st is short, on ice and snow, you let the clutch out and all the EBD/4x4 gummings takes over. The torque is there, it'll idle happily and crawl you along. So you can just work the throttle, one less pedal to worry about. It embarrasses a lot of heavy Teutonic machinery (usually on the wrong tyres). We'll definitely be getting another, and we won't be parted with the one we have.
@oddities-whatnot
@oddities-whatnot 11 ай бұрын
I had the diesel 4x4 Panda in 2015 but it was doing 4k RPM at 70 in fifth, really poor, no idea what thats all about. Im considering the twinair version in a few months as its awful weather in winter at my girlfriends. Great on motorway with the 6 speed box.
@IanSlothieRolfe
@IanSlothieRolfe 2 жыл бұрын
Well, at least you know what to look out for in 10-15 years time when you're looking for a "Hubnut" car,,, I love small fiats, they have character and (for the driver at least) are more comfortable than you'd imagine for cars of their size.
@Snarfcat
@Snarfcat 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been scrapped long before it's 10th birthday
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
@@Snarfcat Unlikely, there are still many older Fiats on the road. I sold my 1998 Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo a few years back and it's still going strong with it's new owner at 23 years old. Loads of Puntos around still as well.
@Snarfcat
@Snarfcat 2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrumignis I was thinking scrappage schemes to move people over to electric with big incentives
@nigelbaldwin752
@nigelbaldwin752 2 жыл бұрын
@@Snarfcat Do you not think these small petrol cars will become very desirable, especially where charging an electric car is not practical for some owners ?
@Snarfcat
@Snarfcat 2 жыл бұрын
@@nigelbaldwin752 The network is getting better by the week, most supermarkets now have chargers and I can see a day when every space has one for when you shop. We are moving into generation 4 with cars now having 800 volt charge systems and minimum of 300 miles ranges. In the next couple of years we will see more solid state batteries and batteries with 1 000 mile ranges that can be charged in 5 minutes. A UK team has proven this technology and it will not take long to come to market.
@TheBigT.
@TheBigT. 2 жыл бұрын
I bought my son a Alfa Romeo MiTo with the 105HP Twin Air engine. I love it! Such a characterful happy car. We have had a fantastic summer with the Alfa Romeo Club and even took it around Brands Hatch. I think you need a MiTo TwinAir in your life. You are welcome to try out our one.
@TheBigT.
@TheBigT. 2 жыл бұрын
..................and the MiTo has farmless windows!
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 2 жыл бұрын
What's the fuel consumption like?
@TheBigT.
@TheBigT. 2 жыл бұрын
@@toyotaprius79 Not great if I am honest - 40mpg 'ish. However, it makes such a cool nice when you floor it........so. I am sure if you were a bit more restrained you could get 50mpg and perhaps more.
@marinocorazzi7895
@marinocorazzi7895 Жыл бұрын
Grande Panda cross 4x4 👍 💪🐼🇮🇪
@Jo3man96
@Jo3man96 Ай бұрын
I’m tempted to get one as a cheap to run car so I don’t have to use my Alpina as much, as my Dad has a Skoda Superb estate I’m insured on if I need to haul big loads around. Totally not just looking for an excuse to satisfy my desire for a small Italian car with a little engine….
@johnlladron735
@johnlladron735 2 жыл бұрын
Fab video, Ian, thanks a lot. Glad you liked it. Our Panda 4x4 Twin-air is epic. Feels extremely solid, is very nippy, and goes great on the farm as well as the road. Mud & snow tyres do help! The Naples build quality is top notch. All of the tech tricks work and seem well implemented. Couple of anomalies noted: Ours is the 'normal' 4x4 and has a funky two tone dash with rear centre seatbelt and head rest. Legroom in rear is fine and I'm 6 foot tall, odd that you didn't fit.
@niklaswejedal463
@niklaswejedal463 2 жыл бұрын
These always make me happy when I see them - cheerful and purposeful at the same time. Loving the fuctionalist approach of all Pandas.
@alunhoskins4513
@alunhoskins4513 9 ай бұрын
Love this! I had a Mk1 Panda back in the early 90’s, not new, and was a really good, honest little car. Loved it. I have a 1970 500 these days, my small, slow, noisy, air cooled but really enjoyable Italian ‘Super car’. Well, you know. The Panda is so much better than the new 500. Great review.
@davidfoster1762
@davidfoster1762 2 жыл бұрын
You see a Hubnut road test and you soon learn about the good and bad points of a car. As always very watchable.
@scrambler69-xk3kv
@scrambler69-xk3kv 21 күн бұрын
It is a damn Fiat. There are none. Every damn one we had lived up to its Fix It Again Tony name.
@garywallace1938
@garywallace1938 2 жыл бұрын
I had a bright yellow fiat 500 twinair, as a male, mid-30's, I think a lot of people thought I was a wolly. I honestly loved driving that around, really nippy and that smile inducing engine sound. May keep an eye open for one of these Pandas.
@benholroyd5221
@benholroyd5221 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, do you need a BMW to be a real man? That's what I've been doing wrong all these years.
@alanradford2618
@alanradford2618 2 жыл бұрын
I had a twinair panda trekking, 4x4 styling but front wheel drive with a button on the console that improved traction. Absolutely loved the engine, really sad when I had to let the car go. Really glad you've had the chance to feature this car, I'd definitely have another if one came along!
@dominiccook12
@dominiccook12 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I’m watching one of your videos I quickly find myself flicking over to auto trader to see if I can have whatever you’re driving in my life
@Matteo_Licata
@Matteo_Licata 2 жыл бұрын
I think Fiat didn't market this engine properly. It was hailed as a fuel-sipper, but it actually is quite an enthusiast's engine, fun to drive and... Not as economical as people expected, consequently. Brilliant piece of engineering though.
@johnmoruzzi7236
@johnmoruzzi7236 2 жыл бұрын
Correct... it was supposed to appeal to people who liked to thrash old 2-stroke scooters and motorbikes....
@nlpnt
@nlpnt 2 жыл бұрын
At one point there was a rumor FCA would bring this car to the US (with the already Federalized Tigershark four). I think it would be a case of branding mattering - as a Fiat it would've disappeared without a trace but as a Jeep it would've been a million-selling, segment defining hit.
@barrywebber100
@barrywebber100 2 жыл бұрын
We had one of the earlier regular modern Pandas with the huge back light unit which I liked very much. Slightly cramped driver leg room due to the central gear change unit but we loved it, they are great fun and great little cars! Thanks for posting.
@steven-vn9ui
@steven-vn9ui 2 жыл бұрын
I like that, it is different and stands out. That engine is very interesting as well.
@robingray1302
@robingray1302 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, love some of the new camera angles, particularly the hooning rev counter shot ! Friends of mine have a Twin Air 2WD auto, sounds uncannily like a Nuova 500 sound track dubbed onto a modern car !
@welshman64
@welshman64 2 жыл бұрын
Glade to see you testing this fab little 4x4🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
@timelwell7002
@timelwell7002 2 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks Ian. The extra cameras are a big bonus.
@MattBradshaw
@MattBradshaw 2 жыл бұрын
Wowsers, multi-camera shoot… just like the car itself, so modern! :-) Loving your work, as always Ian.
@nakoma5
@nakoma5 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, this is a modern car done right! All it needs is some color to the interior.
@jonreid7957
@jonreid7957 2 жыл бұрын
Some colour to the bonnet would be nice too...
@chrishart8548
@chrishart8548 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonreid7957 most be funny painting things and not full covering the part. Like one of my re spray cars I changed the colour and it looked fine till you opened any of the doors or the boot or bonnet. Still it was only a £200 paint job for a whole car re spray.
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 2 жыл бұрын
The last couple of BMWs I had used a similar strategy - odd to peer into the boot of a £33,000 car and see unpainted metal!
@glifwsatti
@glifwsatti 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonhodgetts6530 i can buy four 2CVs with that amount of money
@benholroyd5221
@benholroyd5221 2 жыл бұрын
@@glifwsatti I'm pretty sure you can't anymore.
@adarbs6384
@adarbs6384 2 жыл бұрын
Fiat Panda 4x4, even going as far back as the originals, has always been the best small 4x4 for the money...great little workhorses. Very difficult to find second hand ones, even the previous generation, as owners just hold on to them forever
@oliverbrookes27
@oliverbrookes27 2 жыл бұрын
In 30 years the shopkeepers of Naples will be using these to get to their stores at the top of Vesuvius, just as the present owners use Mk1 Panda 4x4s!
@raye402
@raye402 2 жыл бұрын
Ian really enjoyed this test - twin cylinder ! Yes surprising how civilised it is Another fine. In depth test with a commentary to match ! 👍🇬🇧👏
@paulfoakes9708
@paulfoakes9708 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 2CV and a Panda 4X4 TwinAir, I'm a very happy man! So pleased you got the chance to try out the Panda. Great content as always Ian.
@davidalanroden
@davidalanroden 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 Fiat 500 twinair with 85 hp - love it - great sound. The two pistons up at the same time is the same as my old Triumph twin bike.
@connelp72
@connelp72 2 жыл бұрын
I REALLY like that! Love that engine note.
@frazzleface753
@frazzleface753 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the additional camera angles!
@niallsommerville9941
@niallsommerville9941 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't intending to watch this but then I heard "twin cylinder 360 deg crank", sounds like a motorbike! The styling cues carried over to the dash are nice for a modern car, they only just managed to avoid overdoing it. That has to be the shortest bonnet stay I have ever seen. Enjoyable, thank you.
@samharvey6194
@samharvey6194 2 жыл бұрын
I think it adds a lot to the drive having a characterful engine sound, much better than than a 4 cylinder drone, got a D5 Volvo and I love the noise it makes
@alansimpson835
@alansimpson835 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the panda. There's something sort of plucky about it with that boxy practicality and shrunken off roader looks. The engine sounds brilliant too. Also, loved that the day running lights appeared to flicker in time to the music at the end
@CreRay
@CreRay 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Ian if you don’t thrash it all the time you’ll discover that it is “acceptably smooth” and refined, especially at motorway speeds, and due to the torque it is nicer to drive than say a 107/Aygo/C1. The non-turbo variant which was sold here in the Netherlands (first 65 and then 60 horsepower) is much louder outside and has a very distinct exhaust sound. Not *that* engine sounds like something from the past.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 2 жыл бұрын
the aygo doesnt break near as often
@garethfairclough8715
@garethfairclough8715 2 жыл бұрын
The C1 is still a solid car, as well as being more reliable.
@iandennis7836
@iandennis7836 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with CreRay......but as I have discovered with hubnut, the moment he gets behind the wheel he turns into his alter ego Ernest Thrasher.....and then wonders why he has soo many problems with his fleet. Ian, it's a city car with (very) good offroad capabilities.....so treat it for what it is, stop thrashing the nuts off it and fer chrissake stop picking holes with every little niggle you can think of......and breathe. So apart from the above, an interesting road test.......though there's absolutely no way I'd let you test one of my cars, as I expect to get several years out of them and still be able to sell them afterwards.
@HubNut
@HubNut 2 жыл бұрын
I do spank the arse off pretty much everything. It isn't why my cars all suffer - the issues are all generally because I buy poor examples. And don't look after them as well as I could... Elly's original engine put up with 80,000 miles of thrashing with scarcely any bother, making it to 170,000 miles in total. As long as you're not over-revving, hard use is more likely to benefit an engine than ruin it.
@Bodga
@Bodga 2 жыл бұрын
Most engines benefit from an "old Italian tune up" so keep it up Ian.😉
@charlesreale1394
@charlesreale1394 2 жыл бұрын
Well congratulations on your purchase of Fiat Panda 🚗 I have the cross they are a great little car and fantastic off road and in snow ❄️ I’m sure you will have grate times ahead 👍🏻 Love the channel
@kayemcnab8045
@kayemcnab8045 Жыл бұрын
I bought one in May! Love it as it ticks all the right boxes! ❤️👍
@kevinjekyll1521
@kevinjekyll1521 2 жыл бұрын
Always loved the look of the Panda Cross's, I had a 1965? 500 nova and drove it for many years, maybe 6, I know that sound, and often wished it had a turbo on it... I brought an Uno Turbo, and now have a couple of 20vt coupes. I am now looking for a Panda Cross again, thanks Hub Nut, for reminding me of how driving flat out in an under powered car is more fun, and safer, than doing it in a wildly over powered one. I say all power to the under powered, you have to drive it, not the other way round... As always a good watch.
@tobymcnicol922
@tobymcnicol922 2 жыл бұрын
I agree! One of my favourite cars was an Uno 1100.... it was an absolute hoot! I don't recall ever going over 80 in it (probably wasn't much more available anyway!), I wonder why I got rid of it now....? I think it still worked....
@wanderinggentile
@wanderinggentile 2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does this car look like Deadpool?
@oddities-whatnot
@oddities-whatnot Жыл бұрын
Ive had two twinair Fiats. The lag and surge between gears I found tiring after a while due to there only being two cylinders, and learned that the key to smooth progress is to change up gears quickly before the revs get too high. Its not built for fast acceleration, its built to pull from low down the rev range and is a more relaxing journey by driving the way I mentioned.
@nelizmastr
@nelizmastr 2 жыл бұрын
I drove a Lancia Ypsilon with the same engine for a few days, really quite impressed with the performance. Not terribly economical once your journeys are on motorways a lot, but otherwise pretty fun.
@ujohansson65
@ujohansson65 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian you should make some stickers with the text "hubnut tested" to put on tested cars!
@neilwalsh4058
@neilwalsh4058 2 жыл бұрын
More Fiat appreciation from Hubnut, wonders will never cease 👍
@willswheels283
@willswheels283 2 жыл бұрын
There’s very few modern cars I like but the Panda, and the 500 “classic” and maybe the Ford Fiesta ST are the only new cars I would happily own. I like that dash and centre console where the gear lever is “near to hand”. Great review again Ian, thanks!
@robenglish416
@robenglish416 2 жыл бұрын
Just love the Panda, mostly the 1 and 2 but the 4th gen is a good looker too! And I love old and modern cars, totally impressed with model Y, that was really nice and dangerously fast, giggled a lot driving it.
@Robcomesana
@Robcomesana 2 жыл бұрын
Once you drive them, you love these little Fiats. Both the panda and the 500 have been a great experience when I got my hands on them. If I had to choose, that panda 4x4 or the 500 Riva cabrio, both with the twin air engine are great options. The price on the Riva, however, was close to the boats it stands for. Thanks for the videos and your great work on this channel, by the way.
@mr_pastry
@mr_pastry 2 жыл бұрын
Really liking the new camera angles 👍🏻
@robertbransby
@robertbransby 2 жыл бұрын
Love these, would love to get one
@fruitychink
@fruitychink 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating car which I think is one of the best in the small car market . My Mk 1 Panda back in the day was a great wee car but it sure did rust . Hope Fiat red paint is more stable than it used to be . It rapidly became pink .Great video
@michaelstaunton1632
@michaelstaunton1632 2 жыл бұрын
A very interesting vehicle was really nice seeing it featured on the channel more of same again please 👍👍
@joshuuaaaa440
@joshuuaaaa440 2 жыл бұрын
I have had my 2014 panda 4x4 for over 3 years now , best car I have ever had such a novelty to drive
@Mouse2113
@Mouse2113 2 жыл бұрын
I've just bought a 2013 Panda 4x4 Twinair for my new daily. Can't wait to pick it up
@craigmclean8260
@craigmclean8260 2 жыл бұрын
Great road test; I too like the new camera angles; gave a better view of what scenery you're driving thru...the engine note reminds me of the old Honda N600 we got in the States; a similar parallel twin w/ a 360 degree crank; even-firing, but very shaky on anything of larger displacement (extreme e.g. being a John Deere R model diesel twin)!
@d2factotum
@d2factotum 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 2012 non-Cross one of these (e.g. a very early Mk4, think that was the year they came out) with the 1.2 engine. It was actually a surprisingly capable car, even on long motorway trips. Note that was a Pop (e.g. super low spec) so no AC and no boot latch either, you had to open it with the key--you had to get a higher spec to get such luxuries.
@HakanKoseoglu
@HakanKoseoglu 2 жыл бұрын
I love these little cars with fun engines!
@tedse21
@tedse21 2 жыл бұрын
Subaru made a two cylinder engine in the late 80's that fired simultaneously and rotated in unison. It was smooth and free revving and a bundle of fun to drive. I had one in a Sherpa.
@HubNut
@HubNut 2 жыл бұрын
Daihatsu did as well. Twin cylinder was the way for kei cars for a time.
@phillipevans9414
@phillipevans9414 2 жыл бұрын
Well that went badly. My sisters first car was a 665cc 2 cylinder Sherpa, characterful little car and hoot to drive.
@d.p.2680
@d.p.2680 2 жыл бұрын
Oohh, outtakes, great addition sir.
@PhilipBallGarry
@PhilipBallGarry 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review as always 👍. I loved my 500 Twinair too. Not the most well built car - nearly everything I've owned before (or since) had better fit and finish but I seriously miss the fun factor. It made me smile to look and and was grin-inducing to drive. Using the correct engine oil (0W 30) is vital for the correct operation of the electro-pneumatic valve system though with terrible lag at low revs if you bung in the usual generic 10W 40 which can actually cause damage too. It hates the new e10 fuel too which would exacerbate the turbo lag.
@mattbrown4747
@mattbrown4747 Жыл бұрын
Well that's me subscribed. Great video. Always had a soft spot for the panda cross. Especially with the green and cream interior
@stephenshippam9374
@stephenshippam9374 2 жыл бұрын
Hi great video, quite a nice, cute little car,I love the sound of the engine,, look forward to your next road test,
@plym1969
@plym1969 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video as much as you enjoyed driving the Panda. 🙂
@Oyvind88
@Oyvind88 2 жыл бұрын
Great car and video😎👍 Sounds great, i want one👌
@markwilliamson2603
@markwilliamson2603 2 жыл бұрын
I love engines with character. This Panda sounds great. I had a Fiat Seicento Sporting Schumacher edition back in the day! We currently have two Dacia Dusters. One is a 1.3 4 cylinder turbo and goes really well, but my favourite is our 1.0 3 cylinder turbo! I know you don't do modern stuff, but would be nice to see what you make of the 3 cylinder Duster. I am pleasantly surprised with the performance for such a big lump of a car! The computer in the Duster definitely suggest gear changes way too early too!
@MrBrianc1975
@MrBrianc1975 2 жыл бұрын
Great review Ian. On the subject of quirky cars I'd love to see you review a smart four two 451. Yes the gearbox is awful (but you get used to it) and the suspension is crashy but it's so far out there and fun to drive.
@garymartin557
@garymartin557 2 жыл бұрын
love those engines. love triples so twins take it to another level.
@PeeJay7290
@PeeJay7290 2 жыл бұрын
I love that sound!
@IngramCars
@IngramCars 2 жыл бұрын
I've got a green Panda 4X4 and love them!
@nutski01
@nutski01 2 жыл бұрын
I had a MK2 in 1986 and was really happy with it, 4 speed and a 999cc F.I.R.E. engine(which i found funny at the time a fire engine in a panda car that just happened to be 999cc) and it cost a whopping £3400 new on the road, Like the look of this panda but i would have no use for a 4X4. Thanks for the video Ian
@ohshitnotanotherknob
@ohshitnotanotherknob 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice Mr H!
@m4110y
@m4110y 2 жыл бұрын
Always been a big fan of these, had to pick between this and a suzuki ignis allgrip for my current car and went with the ignis
@stevennorth6484
@stevennorth6484 2 жыл бұрын
Nice that it's still recognisable as a Panda, just updated like the 500.
@nielsvanlimbeek4843
@nielsvanlimbeek4843 2 жыл бұрын
Fast forward to the channel in 2041.... "Today I purchase a new car, a 22 year old Fiat Panda Cross TwinAir"
@chrisdowns1987
@chrisdowns1987 2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting to see your reaction to that engine, glad you liked it! You really do make you change your driving style to suit. Imagine the board meeting 'Right, new idea, we'll chuck away 2 cylinders and the inlet cam, add a turbo and balance shaft and see what happens, ok?...... 😋 only Fiat. Fun little things 😁 I can't believe they've been around that long (I was still an apprentice when they appeared) look up 'Uniair module' on KZbin for some interesting technical bits
@markonmotoring
@markonmotoring 2 жыл бұрын
Great review Ian. A friend of mine had one of these and we took it off road a few years ago. We took it off road along with a Discovery 2 and the Fiat went everywhere the Land Rover did. The only difference would be that push come to shove the Landy could have towed the little Fiat but not the other way around. I run two 500 TwinAirs. We've had an 85hp version for over ten years and a 105 hp for over three years. The 85hp 500 is five speed and the 105 has six with closer ratios (top is same in both cars). The 105hp produces the same torque but at 100rpm higher and had better brakes. The TA engines as you pointed out produce the most go in the mid range and start to run out of steam as soon as they got peek hp at around 5500 rpm. I think the gearbox in that Panda is set lower ratio than in the 500 to substitute a low range gearbox. Whichever TA you go for they are great fun. The Panda in many ways is the better car if you look at price and practicality.
@Grimwriggler
@Grimwriggler 2 жыл бұрын
That's a fine little car there
@jasoncook6781
@jasoncook6781 Жыл бұрын
What a gem of an engine!
@mark70s29
@mark70s29 2 жыл бұрын
Great review! I've got the mk3 1.1 eco going in for my fifth MOT next month..will have over 140,000 miles on by then! Engine is sweet.. gearbox or linkages aren't great anymore TBH. Very notchy..did change the box fluid..I just drive it like I used drive older trucks..rev balance and the gears drop in..lol..no racing car. I've replaced the front struts/springs and disks, pads about 40,000 miles ago along with the rear dampers. Still on the original exhaust system! The sump did rust..a very common issue on the fire engine but cheap and reletevly easy to replace. I change oil twice a year. If she passes next MOT I'll fit a new cam belt kit from Gates and mebe some gear linkage cables;) Then to hit 200,000 miles! That's my goal for her! My old very rusty Cinquecento got to 170k miles...but with a lot of welding and head work etc etc etc.
@MrPabsUk
@MrPabsUk 2 жыл бұрын
I did say first gear was ridiculously short! I love the sound they make though, so much like a 126, but much, much faster! Impressed with the MPG on that one though, I can only seem to get 32mpg out of my (105bhp) 500 twinair, admittedly driven hard, in town 90% of the time..
@mjouwbuis
@mjouwbuis 2 жыл бұрын
What a nice soundtrack! The first generation Panda also had a twin (30bhp!) as an option for some markets, as did the Cinquecento of the 1990's.
@Rich.Aardvark
@Rich.Aardvark 2 жыл бұрын
Exceptional!
@theclappedoutdairy-man3507
@theclappedoutdairy-man3507 2 жыл бұрын
What a great sounding little engine.
@Spheredalai
@Spheredalai Жыл бұрын
OH MY GOD I NEED IT its one of those no nonsense perfect car! that twin air with 6 speed manual and 4x4 is an interestingly good combination, obviously in a good way!
@lenbaddeley957
@lenbaddeley957 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Hubnut. I am a 77-year-old retired car mechanic. In my time I have owned many cars, and have also modified many, my first was a 100e van that I fitted a 1340cc Ford engine in, I later installed a Mk1 2263cc, Ford Zephry engine and gearbox with a Wooller Engineering floor change conversion, fast and fun, but it kept breaking half shafts. Some of the other cars I have modified was a Mk 2 Cornina, that I fitted a 289 small block V8 ford engine and RUG 4 speed gearbox from a written off Sunbeam Tiger. My most fun car a 1959 Mk1 Austin A40 Countryman, that I fitted with a 1608cc twin cam Fiat 125s, with twin IDA weber carbs, Mk3 Sprite discs, Riley 1.5 diff, and rear brakes, Morris 1000 rack and pinion steering. In that car I was clocked at 117 mph on the M2 motorway, by a police Rover 3500s, lost my licence for a year! Anyway, to the point, if you ever get a chance, try a Smart Fourtwo 453, auto, turbo, 2014 on. I have one, and it is amazing, I am the third owner, I wonder if it has been remapped. The engine is three cylinder 898cc turbocharged with supposed 89bhp and 100lb of torque, and mine has the six speed auto/manual gearbox. It is so fast I cannot believe it, going up quite steep hill, it will hit 90/100 mph! Maybe mine has been remapped, but if not, wow! Celtic Tuning, down here in Cornwall where I live, tell me they can stage one remap the engine to 129bhp and 142lb torque. I am tempted. If you were nearer to where I live I would bring my Smart over to you for a drive, but in any case, if you can, get a test drive of a 453 Smart Fourtwo Turbo, It is like a mini Porsche 911, with the same swap end tendency, in short a real driver car, well mine is, as to top speed, I chickened out at 115 recorded on my satnav. Best regards, Len. PS don't tell the fuzz!
@MillerCorner
@MillerCorner 2 жыл бұрын
What with you raving about the X1/9, loving this and buying a Multipla, I'd say you're finally converted to the Fiat life 😉
@norb0254
@norb0254 2 жыл бұрын
I had a twin air in my Alfa Mito 105 bhp ,i found the twin air put a smile on your face ...Now have the Miito with the multiair
@richardwehli2110
@richardwehli2110 2 жыл бұрын
When I last called out the RAC for a check engine light on my twinair alfa mito, the guy said it also had a missfire. I couldn't convince him that they just sound like that haha
@nigelrudd670
@nigelrudd670 2 жыл бұрын
James may would be proud 🤓 nice car 🤓👍 is this a future hubnut classic 😀 🤘
@flemmingsorensen5470
@flemmingsorensen5470 2 жыл бұрын
What a GREAT sound !!! Its very very much a FIAT !
@kenthorndale6280
@kenthorndale6280 2 жыл бұрын
My Kia Ceed company car with it's 3 cylinder turbo engine also has an annoying computer telling you to change up far too early with the same labouring as you have experienced here with the Panda. Definitely another modern Hub Nut car in my opinion.
@andyworsley3908
@andyworsley3908 2 жыл бұрын
Blimey, £19,000 is now regarded as a budget car!
@danneykisby3386
@danneykisby3386 2 жыл бұрын
That's why everyone does PCP finance now. Most new cars are now leased.
@Live1052
@Live1052 2 жыл бұрын
I can see why it's likeable. I'm not a 3 cylinder engine fan but I think I could warm to a 2 cylinder! It sounds like a Briggs and Stratton v twin. I think the cars overall simplicity is very hubnut, and something I like too.
@drr1071
@drr1071 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of most new cars but this is a nice blend of old school and modern tech. Surprising performance from a twin cylinder. Fiat does need to up their quality game. It's killing them in the states. Thanks for sharing
@anthonyknox1493
@anthonyknox1493 2 жыл бұрын
It's worth saying that the twin air engine really smooths out after bedding in around 25,000 miles; after that they remain buzzy, but silky smooth.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 2 жыл бұрын
That's when they are on the flatbed truck going to scrap?
@anthonyknox1493
@anthonyknox1493 2 жыл бұрын
@@jusb1066 how original. Well done.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyknox1493 I've had two, a 500 and a panda, never again, both suffered ECU issues and the gearbox failure
@anthonyknox1493
@anthonyknox1493 2 жыл бұрын
@@jusb1066 that's bad luck, both mine never skipped a beat; more than can be said for the Audi I owned previously!
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyknox1493 I had a ford fiesta for 20-years never even changed a light bulb,
@welshman64
@welshman64 2 жыл бұрын
They even do a mild hybrid with that engine . Love your videos. Fun Fun Fun 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🚙
@mrh5505
@mrh5505 2 жыл бұрын
Ha Ha another fan 👍😁 I'm on my third (two diesels and now the twin air ) and just love driving them . I look forward to driving it every day as it's so much fun and if you can find some mud you'll be shocked where it will go 🙂 Also look out for one with the winter pack that has heated seats and windscreen , really useful in the winter .
@Bicyclehub
@Bicyclehub 2 жыл бұрын
Geat video! I share your enthusiasm for this car and I absolutely want one. John Simister recently wrote in Practical Classics that Fiat had stopped producing this engine which is very disappointing. 😞
@Ty4ons
@Ty4ons 2 жыл бұрын
I drove a Fiat Panda 4x4 twin air quite a lot for work some years ago and got a love/hate relationship with the drivetrain. My direct comparisons were a boring diesel van and a 75hp VW Up with a naturally aspirated 3 cylinder. I quite like cruising at low revs and being careful not to labour the engine, but you probably discovered the same as me at 15:35 that this engine starts to vibrate quite a lot at low revs and mid-high torque. Eco mode helped a lot here because it significantly reduced torque and minimized the shaking or forced you to downshift. The high torque is not helping economy either since high boost usually means high fuel to air ratio. Low revs in general were strange because you had all the torque at 2000, but coast down to 1500 and the car would apply throttle as if that was the new idle. I think it’s a six speed simply to give you enough ratios with the narrow power band. The performance was great for a cheap small car, even in Eco mode you still got most of the power if you revved it out and it was much better than the Up I drove which requires frequent downshift. The economy was pants though and even with my best effort in Eco mode (I weirdly like hypermiling) I couldn’t get the fuel economy anywhere closer to the Up. The 4x4 capability was excellent in the snow, I think the ELD brakes spinning wheels too as a faux LSD and I dug through really deep snow with it. I felt a lot more confident than in the 4x4 van I usually drove.
@hunchanchoc8418
@hunchanchoc8418 2 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis. I read over and over that the twinair is not economical, which is a shame.
@erik_dk842
@erik_dk842 Жыл бұрын
The Up! is gutless, and I do wish that a used TSI didn't cost twice as much as a 60/75 HP version. I bought a 60HP with sunroof for my wife at had it remapped to 75 HP (82 on the dyno). It revs out at app 85 kph in second gear.
@Hell-Hound1
@Hell-Hound1 2 жыл бұрын
Mrs. has had the standard 4x4 TA for 7 years now and totally loves it. It's only used as a city car and it's really good at its job. It's quick and nippy in traffic, un-stopable in snow and has been very reliable to boot. Mpg = @32 but on the occasional run can get to @50mpg. It's well equipped too as well as all the stability/traction controls, it has a heated front screen + heated front seats. 6 air bags, autonomous braking, stop/start and hill hold assist. It also has a sliding rear bench seat enabling you to choose between more rear leg room, or boot space. It does take a bit of getting use to the TA engine though but, when mastered it'll reward you with a very amusing and pleasant driving experience. It's a car that has character, not flaws or so I'm told.😀
@stefanobio7045
@stefanobio7045 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Hell hound......wait to your rear brake discs and pads need changing......
@Hell-Hound1
@Hell-Hound1 2 жыл бұрын
@@stefanobio7045 last September pads were at 60% f & 50% r worn, so should get through the next mot. Then it's being sold, to make way for new EV company car. So not our problem, as they say. I know they can be a bit of a problem though but, as it's always been serviced by FIAT I'm sure that they'll cope if need be.
@stefanobio7045
@stefanobio7045 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hell-Hound1 Hi Hell Hound...thats good news for you, its an expensive job at Fiat.....
@Hell-Hound1
@Hell-Hound1 2 жыл бұрын
@@stefanobio7045 Only if they're seized. Discs are fine, so only pads might need changing. So not all doom and gloom. It's still got under 23k on the clock too.
@stefanobio7045
@stefanobio7045 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hell-Hound1 Hi Hellhound ....new disc thickness are 11mm and require replacement at 9.2mm or less.....the pads are easy to change but the rear discs are not....even some Fiat garages do not know the correct procedure for removal.....
@TheGourmetSnapper
@TheGourmetSnapper 2 жыл бұрын
A thumbs up for the inclusion of the outtake at the end.
@2tone209
@2tone209 2 жыл бұрын
OOW I LIKE THE LOOK OF THAT
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