Real Talk 12: Suppressor Journey & Regrets

[@ehornad]

I'm waiting on stamp #22 & #23. "A heroine addiction would be cheaper" - Colion Noir

[@bobborlog1677]

Actually no herion takes every dollar plus its only fun in the beginning then its just maintenance. Hence why I switched to an nfa addiction

[@garrettboone4306]

All my cans are DA, but they will be the last DA cans. It’s not that I think they can’t fix production problems, but due to how they’ve handled everything. Like say SOMETHING. Btw, Pappas swindled his way out of a that interview and I don’t think we will be getting a statement. Hope I’m wrong.

[@hazehendrix7133]

I believe you are 100% correct.. He lied about making a statement so he wouldn’t be put on the spot to answer for their crappy QC in the last little while..

[@rwilliamson82]

Agree, I got mine back and was hoping Pappas would give an actual statement on what happened and what they did to repair them. I will never support them again after this. It’s not even that they blew up it was lack of communication and terrible CS after the fact. And then the big slap in the face was a 20% coupon from the website. The same week they had 20% off everything anyways. They took 7 months to repair a can that had 2 mags through it and then asked me for more money for bullshit tshirts and belt buckles.

[@Wolf_Avery]

If they had told the consumers they couldn’t get the cobalt and other raw materials from the mines in Eastern Europe that they had previously sourced. But were gonna make it right but please just sit tight. It would be better than radio silence.

[@mikebrown4433]

Love this transparency!! And you moved back!!!!

[@BlazinAzianFD]

These straight up videos are great. Thanks for the content bro! Been thinking about the ocl polo k for a lmt spec war I'm putting together. Watched your vid on the polo k which is leaning me towards it. As you already know being a new dad w little ones the price for the polo k and performance seems like a great option.

[@chaoticcaninejb]

Unless someone owns both AEM5 and OCM5, hard to beleive anything they say about either one. I have both and prefer the AEM5. A tiny bit more accurate and less change of POI even though its minimal, its still a tad better. Definitely doesnt get a hot and coola much faster easily. The weight, OCM5 is lighter, but on a SPR setup, I prefer the weigjt for shoot ability. The actual dbs to the shooters ear is the same. Both very good and solid

[@scottzagger]

I talked to the guy who makes AE cans now, they have standards for runout that are considerably tighter than what others do. I’ll be buying more.

[@dylanarmament]

Buying a dedicated can for my first was the best choice i could have made. I am glad I listened to folks like you who went down the rabbit hole before i did. I would have been pretty disappointed with a .46 cal can compared to my dedicated 300blk suppressor then moving to 556 and so on. Great info!

[@ItsJustMarsh]

What did you choose for the 300 blackout I am making that decision now

[@dylanarmament]

@@ItsJustMarsh surefire Socomsps-300. On my 9” AR it is fantastic with both supers and subs.

[@definitelynotthea.t.f.8813]

Great video man. I ordered my first can in Dec 23, an OCM5 and I just took it to the range for the first run. Mounted on an LWRC M6-A3 and it was sooo nice on the suppressed setting of the 4-way gas block, then on my Mock 12 mod-1 and mod 0. Beautiful sound and my ears are not ringing after two hours at the range. The OCM5 is definitely a must have for 5.56 or .223 guns.

[@tomahawktactical705]

Nice walk through your suppressor journey 👍 It’s a fun if not bumpy road at times lol

[@drewalexandervideography]

My first suppressor was a Hybrid 46 as well only because I own a .45 ACP pistol and just recently picked up a 10 inch Mike45 from FM-Products I filled out a Form 1 for. My second and third suppressor purchases after my Hybrid was approved was a Warlock 22 and an Omega 36m both within a month of each other. I don’t regret buying the Hybrid 46 but I do agree it isn’t the best can out there for pistols. It is however a great all around can that I use on my current AR-15’s and my AR-10 in .308. I am looking into building several rifle’s in the next few years to come budget depending: MK12 with a OCM5 Gary Gordon SBR with a OCM5 MK18 Mod 1 SBR with a Surefire RCM2

[@FluffyBunnyArsenal]

Great info. I'm researching before my first can. With what I've found, a .30 is a good choice as it can do 300 bo and 5.56. A benefit with the 5.56 is they tend to be less gassy. So, I think I've narrowed it down to .30, stainless, direct thread. Now I just need to nail down the manufacturer. Thanks for the video bro.

[@joquin4618]

21:50 hits the spot. Keep up the good work sir.

[@chaoticcaninejb]

Its business, why would a company tailor their efforts to a less profitable area? Wont last long if they do. Contracts are contracts, money is guaranteed and you have to honor the contract tinelibe. The absolute worst thing in contracting is not delivering on time and having a negative past performance, you wont see another big contract as that stays on your record.

[@NvwaAqoKy2kg]

Fair enough, but I think military contracts being delivered on time is the exception, not the rule. Either way, that's where the big money is

[@PreacherT5]

“Best qd on the market” it was all marketing. Keymo is beyond heavy, has failed more times than I can count. Oh and fun fact, deadair originally launched it saying no maintenance needed. Later on they silently dropped a video stating on how to maintain it years later also stating wearable parts, stating that it will lead to baffle strikes. Not to mention it adds alot of length as well. Pretty amazing how well their marketing worked back then.

[@Thisthat1234]

So DA makes one big mistake and they are crucified even tho they are like the largest civilian distributor of cans? Does that not count for something?

[@dasboot9471]

Of course it counts, which is why there are also more retards with DA cans that have blown up their own shit not assembling properly and blaming it on DA than any other manufacturer.

[@IDFWU650]

AEM 5 before the MK 12 hype train. Sierra 5 bc of the hype and now have a Hux 556K currently on month 7 of its jail bid bc of the hype also. I told myself after every purchase and wait, I am done with the NFA process. I honestly just need two pistol cans and I will be done for sure…. I tell myself.

[@JohnnyUtah87]

Thanks for putting this information out, ive got my first one in jail right now, an rc2 to go on my urgi.

[@choke666]

I think it's essential to have a dedicated can for each caliber you own.. at the very least. Especially for .22lr, as it's such a dirty round.

[@threesons270]

I 100% agree there is no 1 or 2 suppressors and done. Also I’m not a fan of sticking with one brand of mounting.

[@Blondehumper1]

Products are always changing. I first got into NFA stuff back in 2008 -09 era. The stuff that got me hooked were items from the early 2000's right after the AWB was lifted and would be considered dinosaurs by todays standards. QD's will always change and be the "next best thing". My first can was a YHM phantom. In todays standards, it is loud, heavy, and bad option because there is only one QD option. Even once had an AAC 762sdn and if you know about that thing, then you know. I see a lot pf people just trying to keep up with the Jones's, spending money they don't have on products they can't afford because some shill said they needed it. If you're new to cans, getting a good 30 cal can and a tuff 22lr can are the top two to get. A pistol can is pretty underwhelming to me personally. Currently have 7 cans, and my 22lr cans are used 100x more than any of my rifles or pistol cans. I'm going to come out and say it, the flow style cans are going to be a fad. 3 years from now, there are going to be a lot of companies going back to tradition baffles. There will be some companies that stick with flow, but it is because that is what they were built on (kinda like companies still using Nib BCG's).

[@bobborlog1677]

Yeah I have 1 pistol can da ghost and it gets used the least . 1.375 just doesn't have enough volume so it gets used on hand guns and occasionally my h&r handi rifle 45 colt

[@spade2you]

I think the Hybrid 46 is worth keeping around. Two is 1, 1 is none. The problem is more that getting approved can take too long, otherwise, I'd have a bunch of 9mm, 5.56, and .308 cans lying around. If anything goes down, the Hybrid 46 has me covered.

[@mooktemas6800]

Love my Socom RC2.

[@josh656]

ADHD powers activate! I've only got one can, my hipster Mack Bros. I liked the QD FH's.

[@brrepublic8174]

Omega 36M is a great first can that can fill several roles, BUT you're still gonna eventually want a dedicated pistol can, and a rimfire can, and a .45 can, and a dedicated 5.56 K can etc etc etc...

[@wtfmrkratos]

I’d really recommend getting your FFL/SOT. Also, I’d recommend using the rearden atlas mount with their single port brake on any fan that has the “industry standard” can threading. Like the polonium and the dead air stuff. My polonium FS was quieter than my RC2, and the flash signature without nods is the same to me.

[@lumpbiscuit5412]

Are there monthly/yearly payments you have to make to maintain your FFL/SOT status? Also can anyone obtain an SOT? I was under the impression you had to be able to prove it’s related to your work in order to get one. I was always interested but I’m not knowledgeable on it

[@wtfmrkratos]

@@lumpbiscuit5412 yes it costs 500 dollars a year to have an SOT and it’s good from July to June of the next year. For the FFL it’s 150 for 3 years. You need to have either a sole proprietorship (which I recommend over an LLC for a home based business) or LLC. It’s easy to fill out the paperwork. I did it to help supplement my income. I became an 02/07 last September (2022) and it’s been great. I can do transfers for friends and family I do it mainly based on tips, I can also do gunsmith work for people, Ajs I’ve made a lot of acquaintances and customers because my FFL is listed in many online retailers systems.

[@derek3154]

@@lumpbiscuit5412speaking of rabbit holes to go down😅

[@JBsX39]

I made a similar mistake to you. I went with the dead air wolfman. Thinking it can do it all. It’s not as bad as a 46 cal can it’s still a 36 cal. And something I am really bummed about I didn’t think of until after I had it approved is I can only run short brakes if I want to run it on 556. 1 because I have to have a brake no flash hiders. And 2 they have to be short because the blast baffle is so close to the back threads so 13.7 pinned and welded is not an option for me. I would be able to do a 14.5 pinned and welded. And I may do that. Because I was hoping this would be my 1 and only can. I definitely am on a budget and considered getting something cheap like a yhm turbo and may do that eventually but for now it sucks not being able to build the 13.7 I want.

[@j.p.4541]

Great review brother, do you need to purchase a special barrel to run the OCL OCM 5 ? Or can you attach the collar on a standard 5.56 barrel?

[@brandongill7125]

Another great video bro!! Love it!!

[@C_oprator89]

Nomads are great cans

[@goldrush49]

My first was a hxwrx 556k flow. It’s been pretty awesome so far.

[@dasboot9471]

The Hybrid 46 does extremely well on a shit ton of Calibers…it’s actually pretty damn light compared to many others. Now, is it going to be your only can? Probably not but it could suppressor a lot of firearms with it

[@mikebrown4433]

“RealRangeDayBro”

[@Goldenwithaleash]

I’ve had a .22 can for a while but I’m just getting rifle/pistol cans over the past year. There is a lot of BS out there you have to navigate. If I were to do it over again, I don’t think I would have bothered with a pistol can. Attaching a 6” tube on the end of a pistol isn’t that practical, FOR ME. Where it shines is on my 9mm PCC but that’s mostly a fun gun anyways.

[@derekbaggett189]

I bought the silencerco Omega 300 as my first do it all can. I’m looking for a dedicated 5.56/243 (6mm) direct thread can now for bolt action rifle.

[@jaydubs6354]

Yep dead air really laid an egg here. Awful response or lack there of from the company and no care for the customer. I have a sandman s that is many years old. It was my first can. I have many other rifle cans now and the da does not get a ton of use. Much better options for cans and mounting solutions these days

[@armorers_wrench]

I have a question for anyone who reads this including rangedaybro: In 2023 how long did it take you to get your form 4 approved for a suppressor? Please include the following details: -Did you use a trust, single shot trust, or buy as an individual? -Was this the first suppressor you purchased in 2023? -is the approval process any faster if you buy multiple cans in the same year? I know someone who only had a 69 day wait in 2023 for his first suppressor ever and while I think that's unusual I'm curious if anyone else experienced that short of a wait.

[@danielgarland9391]

I e-filed my form 4 as an individual and received it 5.5 months this November. It was my 4th suppressor but my first purchase of this year. The local Boys at thr shop have said they have done people that did multiple can purchases at once and it didn't really seem to shorten their wait time. Hope this helps

[@armorers_wrench]

@@danielgarland9391 it does. Your experience sounds pretty typical unfortunately. I think the 69 day wait guy got really lucky. I've heard others who have gotten really lucky with short waits but it's about like winning the lottery. Hopefully they at least shorten the wait with the new e-file system.

[@MostlyJace]

Just shy of 8 months, E-filed Trust, SilencerShop kiosk prints. First Form 4 for 2023, Second NFA item for 2023. Also had a buddy who got started his first can about 1 month after mine, and got it back about 5 weeks after me. There really doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to their approval process

[@SnakeBitBob1982]

Good real experience stories, thanks.

[@liftsalty]

Think you'll pick up a PTR Vent 3 when it releases? I've got a Vent 2 on pre-order for my MP5.

[@choke666]

I have the PWS 762 BDE. I wanted to switch out the direct thread mount it comes with to YHM's hub mounting system, as that's what all my rifles use. I noticed that the PWS can has a tapered lip on the hub. Theoretically it fits.. but not sure about trying it.. Anybody else encounter this?😅

[@williamboggs1682]

Suppressor are awesome

[@RogueSquad-red3]

Very awesome!

[@johnjingle-heimer-schmidt6126]

Holy shit was that a COD gun charm I saw?

[@leileijoker8465]

I got a 556 can from B&T. I picked it over the others because it works with A2 birdcage. Not sure how long this will be my one can before I get others.

[@waltermatney6090]

Good job !!

[@ehornad]

Bruh, buy a rimfire can!! This is supposed to be a fun hobby.

[@jasonmorris159]

I know what you mean about not being patient. Bought the hybrid 46m and velos lbp during silencerco's bogo. Still waiting on the free omega and warlock. Already looking into the rugged obsidian 9 haha and will probably go for the scythe ti if they do the bogo again next year. I started out with a one size fits all mentality. Now I'm looking at dedicated cans for all my guns lol

[@chevtow]

My obsidian 9 and velos are in jail. Been able to visit the 9 and it was sweet. The Velos is stuck waiting on this atf clusterfuck, hopefully be able to visit It next week

[@jasonmorris159]

@chevtow I know e forms is down, what will that mean for me waiting on my two I already turned in? Will they still get approved without e forms being up and running or just can't turn in new ones?

[@chevtow]

@@jasonmorris159 I just saw eforms is back up and running as of 10mins ago

[@Jmhockey1920]

Range Day Bro, I’m looking for a new can for my Radian Model 1. Which did you enjoy more? RC2 or Huxwrx?

[@taylorbrown3286]

Grab the huxwrx

[@connormckay9429]

What do you think would be a good duty can for a 13.7? Currently has a DA Keymo Brake on it but ive been considering switching it out for a different mount, been hearing nothing but awesome things about the Polonium series. Also, the rifle has an agb on it so backpressure is not really much of an issue.

[@IDFWU650]

Polonium K is a great can for a 13.7-16. But as for duty use I’d think SF is still king of the hill.

[@weekendgijoe4596]

The best advice is to not let the die hards push you to a certain suppressor. They are all very close in all metrics. Buy what works for you and TRAIN!! Your cans are made to be used!! Get out there!!!

[@jaysondee7733]

Please share what's your issue with the single shot trust?

[@ericbergfield6451]

Bro, what are we supposed to do with a can that we want to sell? ...Do we bring it back to our local FFL, I have no idea

[@IDFWU650]

Accept the fact you wasted money on something you no longer want. Now get the can you really want and make damn sure you don’t have buyer’s remorse this time.

[@ericbergfield6451]

@IDFWU650 I like my cans, but I don't know what to do if I ever wanted to get rid of one.

[@oneijack98]

Friends don't let friends buy DA.

[@moderngunguy3666]

You drinking boba bro? 😂

[@j.garcia97]

RC2 is king 👑

[@Chevydude1982]

I would of got the sandman k over the nomad,my favorites are the surefire rc2 mini,cgs Sci six and the knights mcq. I agree the keymo is the best qd. I think it's the best but I love surefire and kac new one. The nt4 fucking sucks. We used to have to tape the gates down or we would shoot em right off.

[@bobborlog1677]

I shoot alot of 45acp 45 colt and 458 socom so the da primal made sense for me

[@Jmhockey1920]

Look up bro in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of range day bro!

[@colbyc.6698]

K caare my favorite

[@groberts1980]

I bought one can 4 years ago and was so disgusted with the 13 month wait that it took me until October of this year to buy more, and I bought three. I'm kicking myself for waiting this long. It must be nice being famous and having a 6 day RMA with Dead Air. I'm sitting at two months on a Sandman S at DA with an end cap strike. Edit: I'm not shitting on RangeDayBro, I'm shitting on Dead Air as a company.

[@RangeDayBro]

The 6 day repair came before the channel. Or right at the beginning but it didn’t get me preferential treatment from them whatsoever. I may have had 50 subscribers at the time.

[@CKprecision]

Imagine crying to a KZbinr lmfao " must be nice durrrrr"

[@Esper320]

You got some poor person fatherless energy going on with this comment.

[@cornbreadbrown4961]

yes... it's nice, working hard and building something for yourself.. which leads to other nice things. lol

[@groberts1980]

It's more of a criticism of Dead Air, but okay.@@CKprecision

[@ExpertOpinions805]

lol bro. Why are you the way you are?

[@TheDuppyman]

Got my sierra 5 with keymo for $617. My hybrid is one of my fav cans because of the versatility.

[@heisman01]

My hybrid 46 is awful on anything but 45 acp and 45/70, its terrible on ap5k or g17. I could never own a dead air product, gun store employees get 50% off dead air stuff and I won't buy one for 50% off. I've never been impressed with their performance, my Sig can is/was less expensive and better performance. The sandman S performs terribly and when people shoot them against other better cans its an obvious difference. The K on the scar, RIP your ears. I have an OCM5 and its awesome and I do agree with you, its a go to can. I've got plans for a second one once they come back into distributor stock. The polonium is also solid and will give similar performance to the ocm5. Waiting on a polo K currently for a 14.5. Buying a S5 is a big oof, its hopefully going to put dead air out of business for the wrong they've done to their customers.

[@dasboot9471]

Another armchair expert here, lol

[@officertwentynine7598]

Surefire suppressors, but once cry once.