Real talk about violence in the scene (crowdkilling) with SANGUISUGABOGG

Devin Swank of Sanguisugabogg joins to talk about crowdkilling and violence in the hardcore/punk/metal scene
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[@xpinguinx3642]

Do your air karate, I'll just stay away. But punching ppl in the 5th row,come on man. Dick move,nothing "hardcore" about it

[@eduardohernandezlopez3550]

Saw these guys with Kublai Khan TX & Terror. 1st concert I went to after the pandemic. Was out of shape. This show scared me back into somewhat shape, because you gotta be healthy to get into those kind of crowds lol. Loved it. Now i go to the gym 3-4 times a week 🤣

[@SrLeo-vf3xo]

got the same feeling last week 😂

[@realization2013]

I was at a hate breed show and they told us to run into the hardcore pit because this ain't a night club. 5 minutes later the whole floor was a pit

[@Death_Metal_Head]

The issue with crowdkilling is that you can't opt out of it like the pit for example -- where you can still be on the edge of it and not risk having your $13 beer kicked or punched out of your hand.

[@JohnnBVB]

yea its a bummer when youre standing 3 people behind the pit and STILL catch an arm whether its your beer or your face. i fuck with moshing and crowd killing but sometimes you just wanna chill

[@jeffaffa3412]

For real!!!!!!!! That's why I prefer metal shows over hardcore shows even though I like both

[@bababooey1302]

Well if straight edge kids are moshing they are definitely gonna target the guy with a 13 dollar beer

[@Death_Metal_Head]

@@bababooey1302 Generally those types aren’t at death metal shows.

[@punksnotdead5367]

Been going to beatdown shows for over 10 years it's very easy to avoid getting crowdkilled and yes you can "opt out" of it. Just don't be in that first outter row. Literally just move a bit back. Or pro tip just keep you kegg extended out , whenever they make contact with something they immediately roll over to the next part of the pit to avoid hitting the same people too many times

[@jrbuzz93]

Crowdkilling is the one thing I disagree with in a pit unless it's a beatdown show. There's no need to be sucker punching people who are 3-5 people deep outside the pit.

[@mystyyy6663]

Its honestly ok at most heavy hardcore shows even maybe grindcore too I've been crowdkilled and I personally didn't give a shit and most people don't because you usually know everyone there so just doing it to your homies aka mostly everyone at the show doesn't matter

[@Thrashkid97]

Moshing should be done in the pit. People standing outside of the pit are standing outside of the pit for a reason, they don’t want to get hit. Crowdkilling sucks. If someone is crowdkilling they shouldn’t get angry when someone hits them back.

[@rickdalton8168]

@@Thrashkid97 stay out of the way then lmao if you ain’t cool with getting hit because hitting me back incites a fight all because someone doesn’t know there place

[@Thrashkid97]

@@rickdalton8168 People at the edge of the pit are not in the pit. To me it's the dumbasses going around the edge and punching people deliberately that don't know their place and if you bring that shit near me you're gonna get swung on right back. Keep moshing in the pit where it belongs.

[@cdula26]

If you’re scared go to church 😂

[@davewatne3374]

I'm 30 I'm not getting swung on anywhere no matter how br00tal the song is . I know it's part of the culture and I definitely assess the pit before I'm in it . I feel like it's edgelord activity but I could be ignorant

[@notarussianbot9435]

It is edgelord activity. They hit someone in the face, which whatever, but freak out when someone hits them back. Fair is fair in my eyes.

[@blkrbbit]

Naw bro, it's some pussy edge lord shit. I grew up in the deathcore scene and I started noticing the shift. It's just an excuse to hit people and blame it on the music. There's a reason death metal and deathcore are associated with slam pits and moshing. We wanted to get aggression out, we didn't want to hurt others when we did it. The pit is for brotherly love my dawg.

[@connormillstone4844]

@@notarussianbot9435I just got knowked out

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

It's pure edgelord activity

[@punksnotdead5367]

​@@notarussianbot9435 no one freaks out about getting hit back at beat down shows. Quit yapping about shit you don't know , it's ok if you're into your metal shit , but don't talk like you're going to our shows and know how shit gets down 😂

[@N.Love.90]

TLDR version: Crowdkilling is "just what happens" and getting your ass beat for doing it "is just what happens"

[@Chilloutandwatchanime]

I love ya devin but 90% of us metalheads do not get along with hardcore kids

[@blkrbbit]

But but but they are just getting out their aggression on unwarranted people just trying to enjoy some music. Think of the kids!

[@SulfuricCautery]

The kids are now 50 years old

Well AJ Novello made a comment the by Leeway appealing to “Suburban” Metal Heads ruined the scene -Who was he counting on to support his band ? A bunch of bad haircut squatting junkies ? Almost like that Black chick Lauren Hill saying she don’t want her music played on White Radio - another valued bigmouth

[@punksnotdead5367]

Don't worry , well stay at our shows and y'all stay at y'all 😅 just don't come to our side and wonder why no one backs you up if you get spin kicked and make fuss about it. Hit back then dap eachother up and call it a day

[@jordankelsomusic]

"Don't be violent and start fights with people punching you in the back of the head, they just really like our music..." 😂 ok. He's right in the sense that there shouldn't be violence, and for that matter crowdkilling should absolutely not be a thing. So someone likes music so much that they are going into psychosis and beating the shit out of people, and the rest of the crowd is supposed to be ok with it? Right... so for that matter as long as you are enjoying yourself you can hurt whoever you want.

[@thatsmessedupmydude]

Hardcore dudes will smack the shit out of somebody, and then call it "moshing". Maybe i haven't had many chances to experience a real hardcore pit for myself because I live in a mid-size city far from any large city. The moshpits we have here are just fine. People hit their heads on something or fall over often, but I don't see many of them going around and targeting/smacking people. I love hardcore music and i love mosh pits, but I'm pretty short. I just wanna dance without some giant ripped dude throwing fists in my face. is that too much to ask?

[@SulfuricCautery]

Last hardcore show i went to was negative approach

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

I was at a thrash show and a couple people pulled out that poser hardcore dancing shit. The pit cleared out and majority of people were very unamused.

[@41edgehead]

Stay home then

[@wisteria_40k67]

​@@41edgeheadyeah you're a ton of fun.

[@blkrbbit]

Crowd killing ruined the slam pit. Can't even bump shoulders without getting elbow in the eye socket. Do not miss that Whitechapel show.

[@mattbowden1981]

Really like what Devin Swank is saying here. And the Scott Vogel quote was spot on.

[@mawhit1176]

Just saw sang two nights ago, people really do need a check about violence at shows but when we saw sang at the Hawthorne it felt like people were afraid to mosh, I miss when going to a show felt like being at a family reunion. Sadly I've got just a bit too much moshing under my belt and I'm one bad wrist injury away from never playing guitar again. Next time we go see the bogg we will however bring them the dankest dank for their after show smoking.

[@danielfluet7487]

My brother and i has just finished performing and we were watching the next show up in the the front(there must of been 20 people spread out in the whole show, not packed at all) and out of know where this guy comes out and knocks my brother on the ground, hes all good gets up and the same guy through a back hand to this mouth and cut my bros lip open then flips my bro off saying “its a hardcore show”. My brother tackled the dude and whole fight broke out but like dude wtf, theres a time and place to crowd kill. When youre 20 people in a bar/venue and you start doing this shit with no heads up its a bit ridiculous. I love moshing, but this is just plain dumb smh

[@JeffB-jr3yx]

I love hardcore music but the hardcore dancing ruins the live shows for me . I want to enjoy the music with out the risking of being knocked out

[@TrealFOET]

I didnt mind this when i was younger but im pushing 40 my knees and back hurt the last thing i want to do after a long day at work is get crowd killed when im standing no where near the pit 😂💀

[@brunotondato4947]

When I saw Kublai Kahn, the pit was apocalyptic. If you fall, they pick you back up. They even stopped moshing so someone could find their glasses. It’s always been about community. If someone shows up just to swing fists, they’re leaving on a stretcher. Because most fans care 🤘

[@blkrbbit]

Thank you, someone gets it. Now I'm not just here screaming my head off like a lunatic.

[@bryannguyen1260]

I went to see Dying Fetus with Terror and Knocked Loose. I lean more to the metalhead side and I honestly didn't mind hardcore dancing. I have a small stature so I don't go into the pit much. I guess the core kids at my venue were chill.

[@RemmyRiffs]

That's a weird mix. Mixing in the death metal crowd with the hardcore crowd... that's just asking for problems lol.

[@bryannguyen1260]

@@RemmyRiffs Dying Fetus has a big hardcore influence on their music. Not many people are aware of that. Come on it ain’t the 20th century when metalheads and punks were at each other’s throats. We have cross pollinated a lot over the years so let’s get along eh?

[@blkrbbit]

Bro I'm 5"5 and used to get into pits at every show, regardless of who was in it. When you wanna slam, you gotta slam. Crowd killing is only for pussies who can't stand on their two feet.

[@thedevilsadvodkate]

It's fine. I like it as a metalhead. Good to have places where you can let loose violently. It's the same with people hating on the fighting in hockey. They just don't get it.

[@MURDERFACE555666]

this is the kind of take that makes most sense to me. people do all sorts of dangerous things like drive motorbikes, go skydiving, learn mma etc. when you see people doing them you can think it’s dumb all you want but deep down you understand that they’re an adult and they’re aware of the risks. rowdy hardcore shows are no different to me

[@thankyouforsmoking2797]

@@MURDERFACE555666literally the best take I’ve seen . Like for me it’s the adrenaline rush I could get hit at any time or I could connect on someone while moshing. The “danger” adds to the experience. Like I understand crowdkilling all the way in the back I get that but one the sides closest to the pit it’s free game. Like damn I could say head banging is stupid but I don’t I stay in my Lane

[@blkrbbit]

Equating a hockey fight, between two consenting fighters is far removed from the idea of hitting unwilling attendants of a show. You just want to hurt people with a convenient excuse.

[@RobbieDigglers3rdEye]

That’s what I miss about 90’s pantera. Huge pits, multiple huge pits, but no violence. Just slam dancing and having fun with our metal brothers and sisters.

[@punksnotdead5367]

Hardcore isn't metal that's the whole point. Metalheads come to our place and expect us to change how we act at our shows cause that's now what they do at their shows. Fuck that , don't come to our shows if you ain't down with it , you don't see us coming to your shows yapping about how y'all should do shit. and the best part is , we're all best friends. Well kick eachother and punch each other then share a smoke outside in between bands it's all love for us , only people who don't get it are the metal dudes. Almost exactly like what they said for this entire video

[@wisteria_40k67]

​@@punksnotdead5367Actually. You're wrong. I have literally seen hardcore people get to metal shows (most recent was in march in new orleans) then get fucked up cause they were doing that exact thing.

[@mawhit1176]

I also forgot to add that the scene has expanded in a huge way more recently because of KZbin etc. a lot of the people getting into the scene now have come into it differently than we did (being thrown into the pit and baptized in the musics of our peoples) and I think we just haven't figured each other out yet. It also affects the mosh culture because some of these kids (gonna talk about them like I'm not one of them I have been listening to extreme metal for ten years but that's still a baby for the scene) and when I went to my first show I had someone to tell me pit etiquette, some of these kids might notnhave that 😢.

[@Cropsykills]

As a veteran of the Cincy hardcore and metal scene, I remember when it was madness. It all really culminated with the stabbing at the Cradle of Filth show. I'm 40 now but it all seems like yesterday to me.

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

Do you mean the stabbing at the Deicide show where Deicide and Broken Hope were arguing about who's show a guy got stabbed at?

[@Cropsykills]

@@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence it was Cradle of Filth, Bleeding Through and a few other bands.

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

@@Cropsykills Heh....no I remember it in the news. There was also the stabbing at the Cattle Decapitation show in like 2012 or something. One at a Megadeth show in South America just a couple years ago. Then there was a shooting at a death metal show in California a few years ago. Heck back in the 1990s I personally witnessed a trouble making Baldie get half scalped by a glass bottle and another dude get stabbed at a 7 Seconds, H20, Reach The Sky, Vision, Right Brigade show at the Met Cafe in Providence, RI. Crazy thing is.... show just kept going while the people involved were either carted off to the hospital or arrested for their involvement.... The uh.... good ol' days.

[@adrianmickles833]

That show was fucking crazy… what like etown, sworn enemy, kill switch, shadows fall, then cradle? Like alllllllllll the hardcore crews was there jumping off each other and floor punching, roundhouse crazy… then after shadowfall… half the venue disappeared LoL. But that was cradle first us tour… I think the stabbing was the second.us tour. One of the craziest shows I’ve seen. Recently saw full of hell at legends absolutely insane energy from the stage and the kids was picking each other up and ramming each other into the crowd like kicking and punching the whole way and straight up crowd killing each other every 2 minutes… like cool be kids have fun and shit but I’m out. I’m 43 in 10 days LoL But when I was there age it was the same shit with me…

[@brownmoney27]

Hardcore, the tough guy variety of hardcore is by far the lamest genre imaginable as the blokes there are trying to show the other blokes and the 2 women how macho they are. And any genre where there are set dances for different types of riffs is really really lame.

[@weaponizedestrogen]

I was at Sanguisugabogg's show and the crowd was literally so dangerous I had to sneak up to the side of the stage... Doing all that punching and kicking shit is cool every now and then but shows would be a shit ton more fun if it was an actual moshpit... people bumping into eachother and running into eachother and shoving and shit like that. That's what I like at shows, I don't seeing people get hurt by stupid shit. Throw shoulders, not elbows. Moshpits are already dangerous enough as is so what's the purpose in throwing kicks at innocent people and shit

[@Hazardous_Mutation]

My only real problem with it is if it’s a all death metal line up read the room and not crowd kill, but if it’s a mixed bill with hardcore and these newer death metal bands by all means do your thing and throw down

[@RobbieDigglers3rdEye]

Conducting from the grave and Impending Doom shout out! Amazing 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@TheAverageMetalPoser]

I remember metalcore shows in the 2010s when there would be dancers and moshers that didn’t get along. Maybe it depends on the region, but from what I saw it was always the hardcore fans that went out of there way to mess with the metal fans. But nowadays it’s whatever lol

[@yo-sefakimbey7009]

Where I'm from it was really the Metal guys who would fuck with the hardcore kids. Especially at a major band performance

[@TheAverageMetalPoser]

@@yo-sefakimbey7009 I believe it

[@blkrbbit]

​@@yo-sefakimbey7009considering they turned a pit into a place where they can throw unwarranted blows at people who aren't participating in the pit. We took some issue. Especially for scrawny fuck bois throwing their arms about when everyone else is slamming.

[@aricchaparro3284]

Been to plenty of shows where it didn’t matter if you were staying out of the way you’re still going to get crowd killed lol

[@treignsinblood]

name the bands who support it?

[@ravenecho2410]

Im like 30s, i dont slam dance anymore unless i have been crowd killed like 3 or 4 times. Then i just dance to make space and say dont touch me... Im really tired of crowd killing, i had to pull someone asside to say not cool... stop crowd killing. It is not okay to dance next to someone who doesnt know what ur doing or tackle someone on the edge if the pit.

[@DiegoDiaz-nz6ud]

No karate in the pit

[@splicer2086]

I have huge respect for americans that are moshing this hard, i would never do that if i knew that the healthcare system won't be there for me 😅 I don't go too hard and still managed to break my foot at a gojira show and last year i dislocated my shoulder at a deez nuts festival gig, i had to go to two hospitals to get it back in and after the festival i went to my local hospital where i had to have an operation. That lead to 2 months at home and two more where i couldn't properly do the handy side of things at my job alone. I didn't pay a penny for any of that and the physical therapy got covered by my private insurance. I don't even want to think about how fucked i would have been in america 😬 After that i decided that i'm too old to mosh now. I'm just glad i got to see hatebreed and despised icon when i was younger and in better shape. 😅

[@derickbowne8633]

Our system is fucked, why do you think we're so damn angry? Lmao

[@jordanowens6253]

Normally when I dislocated my shoulder, I just wait for it to relocate. God bless America.

[@GreenHawk84]

I stopped pitting when I slipped on liquid too many times and witnessed people getting their face split open. I don't understand why anyone would want to harm other people they don't know, as "impersonal" as they claim it to be. Or why anyone thinks it's okay to cheap shot someone just watching a band they like. Although I will say I'm surprised there aren't more straight fist fights breaking out. But I attend more mainstream pushpit shows.

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

Pushpit isn't a "mainstream" thing, it's just a form of moshing more common at metal shows. Hardcore dancing is just people flailing their arms trying to be crazy. Crowd killing is just a dick move

[@Tampon.Boy.666]

Sangwizzeeo Bog

[@BEN_IN_MONO]

Y do I hate concerts again?

[@reportme4hacking148]

L

[@blkrbbit]

The kids johnny, it's always the kids.

[@YaBoyJRock42069]

Yeh

[@dungcheeseMORK999]

Napalm Death were Grindcore, not Hardcore.

[@letumvultur]

I don’t understand the term beatdown hardcore . Hardcore is hardcore that’s plain and simple young kids come up with these terms .

[@johnnywolf666]

Been around for a long time. Bulldoze, irate, 25 ta life

[@katshades]

What does Ronnie Radke think

[@Ekaidseaky]

ive been at metal and hardcore shows for about 10 ears. Crowd killing has and will always be dumb

[@dearestbrotherfrank]

Hardcore is stupid in general.

[@johnnywolf666]

What I despise the most is when a show is a mix of metal and hardcore bands. Ive attended both separately so I know how most of the crowd will react. Ive been hurt more in a metal show (push pits) than an actual hxc mosh pit (kickbawxin as per Mindforce haha). Ive seen a metal dude will actually throw a punch or an elbow the soonest he sees you as a "Threat". But most hxc dudes are just swinging blanks with no actual force

[@depressivearchive]

honestly we dont fuck with hardcore kids not so much because crowdkilling, dancing, whatever, it's because like deathcore, its just a douchey scene, people will have a preconceived notion that they're a certain way, the same way everyone looks at punk rock dudes like chomos. Most metal pits man, someone falls, you pick them up, so when we see dudes swinging and kicking at people, especially smaller females/younger teens, it aint cool. If i was at a hardcore show then yeah man its the scene

[@ClassifiedDocz]

My friend is a boxer and he ignored all warnings prior how it wasn’t for him but still being cool at the show.. Until he got hit, wouldn’t even say crowd killed. He dropped the guy and I thought the whole place was going to murder us but the homie with us was real deep in the scene

[@mondoprime]

cool story bro

[@ClassifiedDocz]

@@mondoprime more cool than anything you ever uploaded i recommend copy & paste

[@mgw5377]

So your friend didnt know what goes on at those type of shows and he was warned but he was also real deep in the scene? that makes no sense

[@BTEguitardude]

I like the dancing, but never liked crowd killing. At least with dancing, there is a point. Release your anger or stress or whatever, But why crowdkill? Maybe the area I was in wasn't as hard as other areas, but when I was growing up. People would dance in the pit near center, and as they approached the wall of people they'd stop right there. Some would catch some fists or feet sure, but the point was they weren't trying to hurt people, they were just dancing. I get the argument, "Well thats just how hardcore is. If you don't like it, dont be near it" But if everyone adopted a better mindset, might be able to change it for the better.

[@StackingTyrants]

thats cap asf crowdkilling is gay asf keep it at a hardcore show not a metal show

[@dearestbrotherfrank]

Hardcore is middle class spoilt brat music.

[@tsohgallik]

😂😂😂😂

[@tommiethrash]

This comment needs more likes 😂

[@LordWormx420x]

Can we just get this straight, Napalm Death is Grindcore

[@corduroy3219]

Harmony corruption is death metal

[@mvarnzo5709]

Yeah dude, like whatever. Both sides mm hmm. Nod nod nod.

[@Dayz-yl9dq]

Had to Google what “crowd killing” is and holy shit. That’s so sad. Why do people think violence has to be a part of the formula. We don’t have to tolerate violence and it is still hardcore, heavy metal, death core. We have enough to scream and fight about collectively instead of being violent to each other individually.

[@vapomaster6967]

If you go to a beatdown show, it's what you have to expect. Violent Dance and crowdkill are part of the culture here. However, I do undestand that it can get very concerning at Festivals when those cultures mix. But criticising what people do when they all consent isn't really getting us anywhere.

[@Slew527]

I mean don’t come to hardcore shows if you dont wanna get crowd killed, it’s just part of the culture dude

[@dennisvanopstal7360]

​@@vapomaster6967 they dont all consent. Enough people are still unaware and get mixed in.

[@brunotortorello8530]

zzzzzzzzz

[@Ry-cg2ez]

violence is apart of the formula and if you don’t like getting hurt, don’t go to shows.

[@MattC.98]

“Bolt Thrower is trashhhh, but Samguisugabogg is good” -Punk Rock MBA

[@letumvultur]

Bolt thrower ain’t trash they are bad ass but I like sandwiched soup and bongs too 😂

[@TheGallery213]

Going to shows in any scene is supposed to be an inclusive activity where everyone is there for the same reasons, crowd killing is the complete opposite. You're not "getting your aggression out", you're being a self absorbed child.

[@dereknorris4543]

I think its stupid.

[@user-lt5zf4xh7d]

Not really sure why people are into the 'music' of Sanguisugabogg. It's inherently violent because it's themes are about the violent and macabre. There's nothing edifying about it.

[@blkrbbit]

I'm starting to realize in my older age how insanely immature some of this shit is. Just thinking back on some old deathcore bands could give good examples of problematic ideas and themes. It's normalized despite the inherently problematic nature.

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

I listen to a lot of Death Metal like Death, Carcass, Deicide, Obituary and I enjoy it a lot. There's always been extreme violent themes with Death Metal, look at Cannibal Corpse, but they never encouraged real violence and always said it's meant to be like a horror movie, its just supposed to be scary. These guys on the other hand give me the wrong vibe, they don't denounce actual violence at their shows trying to justify that their music is violent therefore their fans can be violent too. That's just lame and turned me off their band a lot, and I already felt like it was just a rip off of Carcass

[@SophoklezTheodoru]

As someone who started shit in a hardcore pit at a Hatebreed show. Those guys will protect their own. Yes I got jumped. So now I hardcore dance!!!!!! Funny story but same people don't jump me anymore because now I join their pits and do their moves but I get close enough to land an elbow or two and have been kicked and punched in the face already in the process but the loophole is working ;)

[@derickbowne8633]

I think the hate between metal and hardcore is a kind of entitlement. Like you said along the lines of "breathing MY air". Growing up in a little shithole town in the bible belt in the middle of nowhere with a scrapped together dui scene pooling other bands from little towns, you not only didn't see that level of animosity, but almost everyone supported one another; there are always assholes of course but collectively it was an oasis from the rest of the culture around us. I miss those days, the scene here is dead now and there hasn't been a show here in years, I feel bad for the youth more than anything because it was one of the only places that made me feel accepted outside of my personal circle of friends and felt like a part of a community and now they have nothing of the sort, it's sad

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

The hate between metal and hardcore isn't entitlement, it's different ideals and fan bases that don't get along with one another for various reasons. I am a metalhead, and my friends and partner are metalheads, and we all enjoy a lot of music considered hardcore. I've been to both local hardcore and thrash shows and genuinely enjoyed the music. The hate comes from how different the fans are now in the modern day. Metal fans have a strong sense of brotherhood, having eachothers backs and making sure nobody gets hurt, if someone falls in the pit you pick them up, and you don't hit people not moshing. Hardcore fans will do arm swings, spin kicks, and even hit people not moshing and then get mad if anyone complains or hits back in defence. They treat the show like its their personal playground to do what they want, and metal fans get tired of it because hardcore fans will do this at metal shows and not care that they're ruining it for others. It comes down to a lack of respect. If hardcore kids wanna do hardcore dancing at hardcore shows that's one thing. But it's genuinely annoying when hardcore kids go to metal shows and not follow the unwritten social rules.

[@senhazey1020]

Crowdkilling is okay. TARGETING people isnt

[@RemmyRiffs]

What? Dude crowdkilling IS targeting wtf lol.

[@weaponizedestrogen]

Crowdkilling is inherently targeting the crowd, that's the definition. If you accidentally hit somebody in the crowd then that's one thing but crowdkilling is when you actually kick the crowd or throw a punch into the crowd

[@blkrbbit]

Crowd killing is for pussies to weak to stand their ground in the pit. And this is coming from a 5"5 man who looks like a girl.

[@franktank4511]

​@@RemmyRiffsactually they are 2 different things entirely. Crowd killing is when someone runs around in a circle punching everyone in the room as a way to get people amped up for the show. Targeting is when a hardcore dancer targets a specific person who is part of the crowd or part of the pit. I hope this helps.

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

​@@franktank4511neither seem cool, both seem like dick moves

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

First things first.... Napalm Death isn't Hardcore its grindcore. And second of all, crowdkilling is a douchebag beta move.

[@pookaill]

Hardcore is gay

[@ptocreations6379]

Crowd killing is the form of consensual violence at these shows, it’s the fun part about these shows. I think the people getting upset about it are just a bunch of suckas that love to have opinions about shit they don’t know about. I’m a small as skinny boy and I’ve broken my nose due to crowd killers and you can choose to be upset about it, but it’s apart of the dope ass edgy scene it is, you can choose to laugh about it, or be another everyday guy and gasp about it. Don’t criticize it just realize you don’t like getting swung at bruv.

[@justbrowsingthrough0170]

Man a lot metalheads are soft and use the most unrealistic, dumb argument points when it comes to hardcore and crowdkilling lol.

[@bravura9112]

The idea that people trying to hurt other people because it's fun and it is what it is is cringe and dumb af. Karate and crowdkillers should get their asses beat to teach them to show respect for others and let others enjoy the show. Hardcore is about helping and supporting others, beatdown is not hardcore.

[@blkrbbit]

Even at a beat down show, you'll see more slam dancing than you will crowd killing. This shit is exclusive to pussies who can't stand on two feet.

[@mauricebolanos4024]

Nothing worse than a push pit. Go to a power metal show if ur butthurt and stand awkwardly with your arms crossed and lightly nod your head, maybe you'll do some group rowing on the floor

[@tommiethrash]

@@mauricebolanos4024if the music is heavy… you are gonna have push pits. I myself like the karate shit too. Why not be into it all?

[@arthurpatel8933]

This is what drives me crazy about the metalheads that have been coming out to hardcore shows, especially with so many mixed bills, the metal kids do not understand violent pits.

[@Deftik]

Yeah probably because we like music.

[@arthurpatel8933]

@@Deftik stay home and listen to it then, clown. 🤡 🤡 🤡

[@maxonteamone]

@@Deftiklmfao shut up bro

[@blkrbbit]

Oh no we understand violent pits, y'all just some extra ass goobers frfr. Go take a boxing class psychopath.

[@marcanthonybattenberg7636]

We do understand the violent pits, we don't accept the mindset that it's okay to hurt people. Don't hit people and not expect people to fight back