Real Talk about World of Warcraft Losing 2.9 Million Subs in 2015 Q1

[@wallhackergotdammit]

''That's fucking big dick Gul'dan!'' - Asmongold

[@Dawillisb]

***** the hype was real though ...couldnt log in for like 5 days on my server

[@Trollbane96]

***** A legend was born.

[@commentary6712]

Dawillisb That initial 3 weeks was great. It was after that when you realized there wasn't that much depth. Things weren't that customizable and the ability pruning and poor balance was painful.

[@ashrasmun1]

***** I immediately thought about ERB's Rasputin vs. Josef Stalin

[@Alijamaru]

***** Lmao that line had me weak for like 5 mins. Good shit.

[@HeelvsBabyface]

Very impassioned video. It seems bizarre that the community can see things so clearly and then we have the Ostrich of Blizzard with its head in the "sand".... (ass)

[@Aatrixx]

The garrison single handle ruined this community

[@treeboy83]

Aatrixx i refuse to do it on all 5 chars lol i hate my horde 1 i saw the ally 1 and quit the game for over a month then came back just to keep farming mounts

[@wat3rcooling]

Aatrixx One of the biggest reasons I quit, and I was so fucking hyped for WoD, after a year of garrosh grinding when I got the mount first run. :/

[@ebutuoy8272]

Aatrixx More like double handle =P

[@Alexander-cn5sc]

I said to my mate, make it one per account in mop.

[@DcIxvi]

treeboy83 SAME! I log in every tuesday to farm for Mimron's Head. I don't even touch my garrison missions

[@BellularGaming]

Blizzard cant keep it up boys

[@miyuki-sama2761]

BellularGaming WoW is 10 years old, they need an mmo viagra to help them get it up again

[@MrRanderas]

Miyukihiro yea i think its impressive enough that wow has been around and relevant for this long. only very few games have done that

[@MrRanderas]

envyranner02 well,that escelated quickly

[@bigiron4450]

BellularGaming They should do what the comunnity wants, i mean bring back the badass characters make us fight the burning legion, the naga, kick sargeras and azsharas ass, discover what king rastakhan and the zandalari are doing. Bring back the old talent trees and the content they removed (like melee weapons for hunters, i loved that).In my opinion lets kill gul'dan finish the xpac so blizzard can start like reviving wow (sorry for my bad english)

[@Instabilitygarrosh]

BellularGaming Obviously they can. They have 25-30 MILLION people playing a single game at the moment. Blizzard is probably the best game developer is the world. Their issue is they've hired shitty ass dev's and community managers. Most don't remember this but partway through Wrath major changes were made to the dev team and the game obviously went down hill after that. The last good expansion was Wrath, the lore, raid, dungeons, and everything else made it by far the best expansion we've ever seen. Either these current devs need to get their shit together quick or Blizzard needs to hire new ones because WoW can't survive another garbage expansion like WoD, Mists, or Cata.

[@reddaxe445]

As a raider, I quit because I was simply on logging for raids then logging out, and while I had fun raiding, that's not enough to keep me subbed. I stopped with alts a few weeks earlier than that, and with garrison stuff about a week before, they were just not entertaining enough. One can only make so many alts. Also, LFR is not the reason 2.9 million people left, they left because they got tired of only being able to play fucking Farmville outside of raids.

[@ivoivic6039]

Reddaxe yep word by word what i was gonna say

[@CyclopsToppingWolverine]

Reddaxe That's why I quit, I log on to raid and if it's not a raid day I usually do mount runs check my garrison missions then log.

[@tornadomax01]

The friends I raid with is the only reason I'm still subbed but now they are starting to unsub and I see no reason in staying subbed myself

[@reddaxe445]

***** Yeah that was what was holding me too, as soon as my guild broke during BRF progression I was out. It was the only thing keeping me playing.

[@lordkatakos]

Reddaxe This is me right now. It really sucks to be honest. The only recent thing that made me say "yeah, sure i'll keep playing" is WoW tokens so I don't actually have to pay for the game at all anymore.

[@alexerixon6251]

I have been playing WoW since vanilla and it saddens me so much to see the game that i used to love so much slowly dying. I mean, i just recently canceled my subscription and the only thing that i did in game was to log in every reset and do old content for achievements and mounts then i logged off and didnt log in until the reset the week after....its a shame, it really is.

[@treeboy83]

Alexander Erixon bro every word you said is true for me, my orginal char is a tauren warrior with full t3 set with TF ect and im a mount collector wirh all the rare mounts 30+ and 200+ total and all i do is mount farm... this video has made me cancel my sub... fuk im sad i love my mounts :(

[@demonpride1975]

Alexander Erixon dude wow has beaten most games for longevity. sure games like runescape have a lot of views. but the simple fact is blizzard makes more off wow then most company's see in a 5 year span. and blizzard has stated they have enough ideas to keep the game going for another 6 years maybe more. so 16 years after wow launched and people are still bitching ask yourself one question. how much money has blizzard made over 16 years with the juggernaut called wow. then gasp and go holy shit. cause i can guarantee its well over the 100 billion dollar mark.

[@cheetengho7876]

demonpride1975 Too bad they ain't using those money to innovate the game instead it's being used on other games like heartstone and overwatch more money earned does not equal to a better game oin the future

[@demonpride1975]

***** like most company's they cannot just stick with one game. to stay afloat and make more money. company's like blizzard need to offer more variety. but blizzard has made enough off of wow that they can put that money into other games. thats why those other games like overwatch, hearthstone and heroes of wow can be free.

[@KaldwinUnderscore]

I'm surprised they didn't lose more subs tbh. I mean a lot of the people who came back for WoD were people who left in MoP when the subs dropped to 6.8mil because they thought that WoD could save the game and what they got was warlords of garrisons. I thought the subs would drop below 5 million easily by this point. And I'd say with the release of the WoW token the subs will probably go up to somewhere around 8 million or so

[@Archey6]

don't forget that these are the numbers for January to march who knows how many they've lost by now

[@eganimation8021]

Allison Kaldwyn-Cain And like asmon said, who knows how many people of those remaining 6.8 are chinese bots just farming. A whole bunch i think.

[@demonpride1975]

Allison Kaldwyn-Cain i do not understand why people are still on this topic. i mean Jesus the game is 10 years old. it has nothing to do with the content. but just that wow in general is getting stale. but maybe the math needs to be done on this subject so people can understand a bit better. even if it were to go to 5 million subs. that's 5 million x 15 dollars monthly. so that's 75 million a month then times that by 15. that's 1,125,000,000 yearly on card sales alone. this is not factoring certain things such as the wow item store. selling plushies t shirts mugs limited edition weapons. the list goes on. while blizzard has lost subs. they are in no way shape or form in danger of having an issue. now some might say that blizzard is supposed to be about the fans. when the real truth is the core of blizzard is a business. and they are doing good. most aaa company's do not even come close to the sales that blizzard does. at 10 million copies of wod sold the figure comes to 600 million. that is still millions more then most aaa company's make on a game release that took years to develop. we can sit here and debate the sub count going down blah blah blah. but the numbers do not lie.

[@KaldwinUnderscore]

demonpride1975 And your point is? Numbers do not lie, and the numbers are showing that right now, this game is hemorrhaging subscribers. It just experienced the biggest subscriber loss in the game's history, and probably in ANY game's history in that short period. You say it's not an issue of content then IMMEDIATELY say the game is stale(News flash, that's an issue of content). I never said I thought it would be bad at 5 million subs, I just said I thought that they would drop to 5 million, which would by no means be good for blizzard(literally one half of your players leaving the game over 3 months is a hell of a lot worse than a third leaving) My comment had LITERALLY nothing about how much blizz makes then compared to now, it was a speculation as to what made three million people stop playing.

[@demonpride1975]

***** i have been playing wow since the gates first opened in vanilla. and trust you me i am an encyclopedia of lore for wow. using the economics of the game is actually a very valid point and argument. the problem you don't not get is because of blizzards playerbase. they have forced most mmos that try to take them on with a sub fee to go f2p. but if blizzard is making billions then i am guessing they are not in any sad state. now as for the buying time in game. yes you can do that. but here is the thing. if you do not have time on yoru acount you have to buy time. then you have to invest the time to get the ingame coin. this may seem like no big task. except that the ingame is about 15 - 20 k gold. the economy in wow is pretty shit. and with the iteration of the ingame coin makes the ah even worse to manage now as people are putting things over priced in to get that gold. now to address your question regarding boe ninjaing. dude ITS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE DAY ONE. people have always ninjaed gear. this is nothing new. so that kinda makes that point a bit moot.

[@MrCdrant]

They say single difficulty didn't cater to casuals well enough, why was the number of subs steadily climbing so high in vanilla/BC then? One difficulty, but the players kept coming and didn't leave. They created a playerbase of sedentary gamers who refuse to leave their comfy places because they no longer have to. They just click a tab and a queue to get them what they want will appear.

[@Airwave202]

drantcg The phrase people always use is "I pay the same amount as everyone else, I deserve to get to see the content that everyone else does". I can see why people say that but what they don't realize is they are depriving themselves of something truly special. Peach Gaming had a video on this called "The Problem in the Mists" and I truly feel like he hit on some of the major points of why the game is failing compared to it's older versions. If you haven't watched that video I recommend everyone who reads this to go watch it. That phrase kills the reward of getting that epic piece of gear you have dreamed of for so long. It kills the epic feeling of killing a badass boss that has been kicking your ass for weeks. Seeing other players with sick gear that glows and has amazing stats is something that drove me to raid in the first place. I saw mages in Tier 1 and I was nearly drooling at my keyboard. I haven't had that feeling since probably TBC. Inaccessibility is something that motivates players to become better and see that content for themselves.

[@MrCdrant]

Gaia Tuvan Agreed, that entitlement phrase has killed this game. This isn't running water and basic education, it's a video game. You're not entitled to the same things as everyone else, even if you put in the same amount of effort. It's a reward for performance situation, just like sports are.

[@siffran123]

drantcg You forget that back in vanilla / Bc most people hadn't played the same game for 10 years and that the competition for the playerbase has grown ALOT. Blizzards own games, LOL, HON, DOTA, CS GO are just a few games that has attracted an enormous fanbase during the few years they have been out.

[@Zasurein]

I think you got that lobster analogy backwards. You're supposed to do the slow boil with frogs, and fast/high boil with lobsters.

[@Zasurein]

Raim Surion Also on the actual subject. Its a huge shame because the situation has gotten so bad that they are literally telling players that complaining about a lack of content (even when giving suggestions in addition to it) is now a ban worthy offense. So apparently we can't give feedback on the situation anymore safely. On top of that they seem to have some strange system that is informing them that "Their numbers show that there is enough content that most players are doing." Im guessing that system is just based on how long people login, and not what they are doing (idling in the garrison).

[@demonpride1975]

Raim Surion i sorta agree with the whole keeping quiet about suggestions. while you may think its horrible. take into account before when there was a suggestions forum. it was bloated with useless 2 year olds bitching that they didn't have enough epics or so on so forth. really stupid shit. do you think blizzard has the time to sift through all of it to find one gem and still meet deadlines. blizzard needs to go one step further and start banning ignorant fucks in the general discussion forum. but a lot of people say oh that's the one they do not moderate because it holds the ignorant people there.

[@MetalMonster313]

Back in Vanilla I'd just started playing, but I could literally sit in Stormwind and talk to random people for hours and enjoy it. I could find someone running Stratholme and we'd talk endlessly about random crap all the way through the dungeon. You just don't get that anymore, which is a massive shame. These days you join a dungeon and no one even bothers to talk. And while I'm on that point, group quests bring them back. Stop making every quest so god damn easy. There's no sense of achievement by doing quests anymore. I miss things like Gurubashi Arena and world events the Scourge Invasion back in Vanilla was brilliant, the scourge invasion in Wrath was brilliant and Highlord Kruul in TBC was fucking brilliant too. I just wish we had more events and also have more of a reason to socialise with players again. Blizzard really need to get there shit together as it's a game that's been with me for 9 years and It's a game that I love. It's sad seeing a once great game go down this path.

[@Airwave202]

David Smith That is why I want server only communities. What is the point of talking to people in BG's and dungeons when I will never see those people again. What is to stop me from being a ninja/dick to those other players? I can just queue up again and play with all new people. No consequences for my actions.

[@nexiivanadis]

***** Longer queue times would be ok, if there was more things to do in game while in queue.

[@reecemclain4307]

David Smith

[@iHateJerseyShore]

I quit because of garrisons and dailies. Don't they have ANY other way of doing endgame?

[@MrRanderas]

tempsentemps yea because pvp and raids arent a thing anymore right?

[@timboslice942]

MrRanderas try watching the video lmao, both suck

[@MrRanderas]

Timothy Hunter pvp sucks juts as much as it always did and pve is better than ever

[@Natcam3]

MrRanderas thing is, if they removed LFR. how many more subs would they lose? more or less than if they removed mythic tier?

[@malinko35]

MrRanderas pvp is in the worst state its ever been in, raids were fun, but got boring, extra difficulties is not good content

[@EscaExcel]

Things like losing Karabor and bladespire really ruined it for me. It's like from Blizzcon 2013 everything they announced then was so great, then they just cut away so much and now all I do is log in to do follower missions occasionally. Great video though, I really hope Blizzard takes a hard look at their design philosophy and can at least admit they've made a bunch of mistakes.

[@BellularGaming]

One thing - it its Runescape 2007 then fuck it, more power to em. That game was the shit. JUST LIKE WOW WAS BACK THEN :3 I'd still pay an extra sub for a Wrath server

[@Airwave202]

BellularGaming I'll be playing on a BC server whenever I quit retail. I still never got to do those raids at current content.

[@Famedawg]

Theroy: MMOs have average life of family dog Resubing for WOD and playing for a few months...reminded me someone leaving for college, coming home years later and expecting the dog you had since childhood to keep up and play with energy and life. You take a look downed to see a out of breathe, old, withered, replica of a friend know years ago. You feel sorry for it....knowing its life spand is coming to a slow and debilitating end.

[@Carnageloser7]

That's so depressing lol

[@Damingo54]

god I hope this video gets a million views. Deserves it.

[@pecoliky8793]

time traveller: yes

[@bluecollarfunny2809]

Asmongold sadly the lull that we see at the end of every expansion started about 2 months into this.

[@aTourniquet]

For everyone saying that the players using WoW tokens don't count: these numbers are from before the tokens were introduced. The 7.1 million subscribers number is from March.

[@KidGacy]

Lacrimosa people using tokens do count even if the data was recent , someone payed 20$ for that sub and you pay them in game gold , in fact it's a more expensive sub , and in terms of sub numbers nothing changes because for every token sold on the AH , someone had to pay 20$

[@aTourniquet]

KidGacy They WILL count as subs for the Q2 and onwards numbers. The tokens were not available at the time when the 7.1m subs was counted, so for these numbers they make no difference.

[@KidGacy]

Lacrimosa Yes I understood , I was just pointing out thefact that if they did it again , tokens would be counted as they are in fact subs that blizz sells to people for them to exchange for gold.

[@Razleryt]

Sitting my garrison whilst waiting for raid time is all I did. Even then, raiding the same bosses over and over, week after week gets hella fucking boring. Theres a reason why RS has more viewers on twitch, its a better game.

[@Razleryt]

***** 10x more players that log on to raid once twice a week, yeah.

[@MightyGunthorian]

***** as of right now all I can say to this is...least Jagex seems to care more about their small player base, to keep them around and get more than Blizzard is to keeping their large player base.

[@Razleryt]

***** You're just upset that a game made in 2007 is pulling more viewers than wow

[@Razleryt]

***** old school runesacpe is from 2007. Why would you care? Not sure, you seem pretty upset about something tho

[@Razleryt]

the game is litterally called "07 runesape" smh

[@Trigbits]

love this. Keep on keepin' on, Asmongold

[@narasemanga]

That is a touching video dude... gratz... I agree with you and IMO, i think they should make secodnary realms with older content (vanilla, TBC, WTOLK,CATA,MOP (for people who like their thing)

[@Levinceful]

I got bored of raiding and started to play D3 again you should play it again

[@Hillooish]

Levinceful That's what I did.

[@smashcraft1597]

Levinceful Same.

[@GaryMcNeill]

Levinceful Thats exactly what i did too >.>

[@shaun2312]

Levinceful wow, looks like we all had the same idea

[@Jeffrey7445]

Levinceful I got bored of raiding so I decided to move to a grindy-as-fuck dungeon crawler to mindlessly farm for upgrades and paragon levels. Not saying WoW isn't boring, but god damn how is D3 a solution

[@jellyfrosh9102]

Raiding should only be 2 difficulties; heroic and normal. Take LFR out and take mythic out. Make heroic dungeons the stepping stone into raiding again. Add more dungeons. Add more BGs and give honor a fucking point. Bring back class flavor, remove 90% of the cooldowns from the game. Bring resilience back. Rework professions to not be shit. Everyone should not be able to do every profession. Either remove garrisons, or make them faction wide.

[@TinFoilHatx]

If they want to bring back World of Warcraft to the golden age, they should look at Burning Crusade, it really was the best expansion and the peak of the game in my opinion. Sadly, this will not happen due to the community. The biggest factor of why the game is trash now, theres literally no reason to play it. You can just buy anything you want off the Black Market that would normally be given to a player that just completed an incredibly difficult task or set of achievements. Want something ? Buy it off the Black Market, its really as simply as that. Get the best raid mounts, gear etc, all on the Black Market. The majority of the community doesnt cares about lore anymore, they dont care about story telling, they dont care for complexity, they dont care about creating friends or experiencing epic moments together with one another. All the community cares about now is looking cool, getting items without working for them. I have no beef with casual players, this isnt an argument about elite vs. casual. This is about the community blatantly killing the game instead of experiencing it in all its greatness, you can tell just how bad the game has gotten since Wrath of The Lich King.

[@Ecliptor.]

Tin Foil Hat Completely agree. Games are killed (*mostly*) by the players, not the devs.

[@MoonfeatherWildkin]

Tin Foil Hat I agree, Warcraft III was WoW's backbone and once the main storylines from it were tied up with BC and WotLK, WoW started to feel pretty weak. At this point, I think it would do Blizz a lot of good to work hard and release a new Warcraft game, introduce some new characters and plot elements, and create a fresh environment for a new era of WoW.

[@ryanexsus]

Tin Foil Hat Think about this, when Burning Crusade launched, there was Karazhan, SSC, Magtheridon's Lair, Gruul's Lair, Tempest Keep, that you basically had to do in order before the first patch of Black Temple came out. That's THREE TIERS of raiding open from the time the game came out, to the first major patch.

[@Airwave202]

Tin Foil Hat I agree that BC was the pinnacle of WoW. You can argue that the raid attunements were a negative but I truly feel like everything else in that expansion was perfect to a T. I didn't even get to do most of TK and SSC but I had so much fun that expansion. The Heroic dungeons, the raids, the attunements, Netherwing dailies, the Sunwell island and everything in-between was great. You still had server only dungeons, server only BG's etc and the leveling process was still something that didn't take 2 seconds with no difficulty or thought process. Multiple difficulties of the same raid doesn't inspire me. Seeing people with badass gear and hearing about epic raids and bosses inspires me. Doing the same raid as a Mythic raider on a lower difficulty isn't inspiration. All I care about nowadays is seeing the content once and losing all interest in the raid outside of helping out my guildies.

[@Airwave202]

***** Agree with the storylines and major lore characters are a huge influence. WoD has really cool lore characters but when it is all an alternate timeline it really diminishes the true epicness of what you are apart of. Who cares if we kill Gul'Dan or Archimonde? It's an alternate timeline and they didn't really exists LOLOLOLOLOL. I started playing WoW because of how amazing the WC3 story was and seeing characters like Arthas, Illidan, Kael'thas and Lady Vashj. There are great characters in WoD that could be more effective if this wasn't an alternate timeline. I am waiting anxiously for the Azshara expansion that I have wanted for so long. That is something that could truly get me invested.

[@SuperCrabbycrab]

You hit this spot on. I completely agree. I'm thrilled you covered this, and man, it's so satisfying seeing all the thumbs up vs dislikes. We feel you..We feel each other. Just some feedback on the video... Take the time to breathe, just to cut the sentences and make it easier to listen to.

[@psra383]

Well said man! 100% with this, I really hope blizzard will get it right next xpac... Or hope 6.2 is good, been subbed for 10 years and I think I'm about to call it quits. This xpac is just so bad it's crazy. All I do is sit in my garrison and raid... I really don't do much else, sure I do my mount runs every week and I also run around the world here and there to go see if there is something to do but 99% of the time it's garrisoncraft and it's awful. Not sure what to say at this point, I've played WoW for a very long time, it's been apart of my life and it's helped me in ways that will be with me for life(like pulling me out of my antisocial bubble) but it's now starting to pull me back into that bubble as crazy as that sounds... I used to know a lot of people on my realm, now I only know people I have on real ID and I never really group with someone that's not on real ID or on my realm because the group finder is the only way to find a group for anything. I don't want these things to go away, but they need to figure out a way to make realms work together more! Group 5mans, world bosses, world pvp that isn't crazy dumb... When I attack someone they should be able to use some crazy ass toy that makes them fly into the sky a million miles up and then fly away and you never be able to ketchup with them. Like, what? That's not fun at all. Some people(2) tried to kill me, when I turned the tables on them they just went flying in the sky from some dumb ass toy and were gone. Like what.... I don't even understand that. This game has become to weird it's insane. I'm just ranting at this point... Guru out.

[@marcoswillianl]

Gurushockin This feather of aviana (the item that made people fly) really sucks and ruined the wpvp.

[@psra383]

***** I only keep my sub so that I can log on and raid. That's it at this point, in case you missed that in my wall of text. Not everyone unsubs.

[@psra383]

***** Well, I have in the past and it's a possibility for the near future. But I just got back together with some friends from bc/wotlk/cata to make a new guild so for now it's okay I suppose. We'll have to see how long next patch last, if we don't get a xpac announcement soonish then I might have to call it quits for this xpac. I don't think I want to play World of Garrisoncraft for another year

[@demonpride1975]

Gurushockin and that is why they don't give a shit about your opinion. why because a sub fee is not based on how much time you log in for, its based on 1 flat fee. so weather you log in for 10 hours a day or 5 hours or 2 hours for raiding. tada they don't give a shit. you can bitch and moan and gripe. but in the end there will always be people willing to pay to keep allowing blizzard to make their own decisions and not give a rat's ass about your opinion.

[@cheetengho7876]

demonpride1975 Wow sound like someone struck your nerve...

[@Banshee409]

I played from vanilla through early Cataclysm, but took a 4 year hiatus. The first, immediate thing I noticed that really displeased me about this expansion is how isolated I feel while playing it. It largely feels like a single player game that has a built in chat system. I interact with people in random heroics & raids, but while running around the world? It's always a ghost town. That was something I absolutely LOVED about WoW back in the day. You made an effort to connect with people for groups, world PvP, world bosses, etc. Nowadays, everyone just sort of sits around waiting for timers to go off for dungeons, raids, or garrison missions. The game no longer fits what I deem to be an MMO - there's nothing massive about it, nor do we see much "muliplayer" interaction. Realistically, it's an online adventure game that allows you to interact with other players (as needed). I also don't foresee myself playing for too much longer. There's a few time sinks that I'm currently working on, but once complete, I don't see future reasons to keep my subscription - a problem they're clearly seeing from millions of other players.

[@VV-nz4dv]

I wish they would get rid of garrisons, and make the game more difficult. Maybe get rid of LFR. Garrisons make the game so tedious, I don't want even log in just because of the garrisons.

[@Sepppppuku]

I quit WoW because of RS. Tbh, it's a MUCH better game than what WoW is currently.

[@ThatFeedingCarry]

Heh. Haha. HahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA. RS HE SAYS. BETTER GAME HE SAYS HAHAHA

[@optimalcynicism1650]

ThatFeedingCarry It is, You are able to at least DO something instead of sitting on your ass and twiddling your thumbs wondering when the next que will pop. Plus the fact it has more views in Twitch then WoW proves that alot of people find it to be much more interesting and fun. Sooo.....yeah....It is better at this point.

[@ElandorGaming1]

ThatFeedingCarry i played RS for like 8-9 years, boy is that game addicting, it may not be as awesome looking, but boy does it have a lot to do.

[@vfrno]

Seppuku Gaming Ok Fredrik ;)

[@Sepppppuku]

Thomas Myhre Ok thomas. ;)

[@j.n.agoston436]

old school runescape is the fucking shit right now - not kidding

[@Kauko13]

Great video m8, tears came up... I really hope blizz will check it out.

[@dh8657]

least we got a selfie cam

[@MrTechFox]

Fantastic video, I agree with you. Remember that the loss of the timeless isle is huge for pvp players as well. Ashran is a pale shadow, not even comparable to the non-queue timeless isle. I also do not have time to cap out conquest every week, and any week I miss means I am behind and the playing field is no longer fair. Also higher ratings gaining more cap is bullshit. OBVIOUSLY it should be the same cap for everyone that is based on the number of week that it is in the season. Example: Week 1: 2000 cap Week 2: 4000 cap Week 3: 6000 cap Week 4: 8000 cap Went on vacation during week 2 and 3 and returned during week 4? NP you can grind out the missing points whenever you have time and be right back in competition with everyone else. The current system is complete bullshit

[@johnsono3]

WoW has gone down hill in my eyes every sense LFR was introduced into the game and I think everything bad strings from that introduction. I know I personally stopped raiding due to there being no sanctification of killing the end boss knowing some idiot could go into LFR and do it too :'( Remove LFR and make the game hard again please blizzard gg...

[@GerNiels]

Come play on Nostalrius, a solid vanilla server. It's about as blizzlike as it's gonna get. 6k+ players atm, with plans in the future to upgrade to TBC, analogous to the actual retail experience. Come and relive how WoW should be.

[@trevor9066]

Hey asmon, are you playing wow to keep your channel running? meaning you're not actually playing for fun any more?

[@kino3080]

Ive played WoW since beta test and stopped playing after reaching endgame in cata, i have to say its really sad that WoW as we used to know it have reached a point in its career where its just down hill... Every WoW veteran knows what im talking about.. If WoW ever had a "soul", its gone now and its so gone its impossible to return it back.

[@smoothfeet9577]

I think if asmongold were to just take over blizzards wow team. We would go back up to 10 million subs.

[@aarn321]

The idea you talked about, erasing the WoD timeline, that might actually work to their advantage. When the timeline closes off, at the temporal epicenter could remain a wormhole of sorts that leads to the next chapter in WoW lore. Kinda like what they did with Darkseid in Smallville season 10, only instead of a wormhole in space, it's a wormhole in time, it would still be visible in space as space and time are two facets of the same construct, that is if einsteinium physics apply to WoW.

[@eXileLies]

WoW is dying for almost a decade now.. so is EVE online and literally every mmo around. MMO-players are exaggerating everything that happens in their game and nothing happens.. literally nothing.

[@vandamq8]

Shari K. i agree with this comment i mean people just dont like mmo games any more

[@93Tommatthews]

Shari K. It's season of the Moba's now MMOs have had their time despite there being several out they're all kinda the same. Sad to see wow go so casual but MMO's are gonna die a horrible death pretty soon :D

[@eXileLies]

Thomas Matthews You don't get it, do you? MMO's wont die. Just because one thing is big at the moment doesn't mean everything else dies around it. It's complete and utter bullshit. 6-7 Years ago, when WoT (World of Tanks) were the big thing, everyone said it would kill Eve or WoW.. It didn't.

[@vuksrb1480]

Shari K. I play both>WOW and WOT. :D And that is perfect couple,WOW PvE farming,boredom killer,and WOT bit PvP farming. WOW has something that no other game has>soul and huge lore. IMO it would be best for WOW to Blizz make it all from begining,with story a bit diferent ofc,but with completly new designs as we can see in Heroes of Storm + they can avoid all mistakes they made with curent WOW. That would be a blast.

[@josepharm117]

Shari K. lol never understood the whole EVE is dying thing, or so many people thinking something is gona kill it. Eve is the only mmo that has remained stable and slowly been growing over the years. Makes you wounder what people have against it. Its also funny how people make a big deal over WOW losing subs as if its even a big deal. WOW would be fine with only 1mil subs, hell EVE online only has 500k+ and half the community hasn't payed for the game in years. And yet, EVEs Devs put a lot more work in effort into it then the Wow devs.

[@ChichiNaka]

Damn, it's almost like most of the playerbase doesn't mythic raid

[@Ecliptor.]

Chance Turner What's the point, though? It's the same shit with a "harder" mechanic... If you can call gear requirement a hard mechanic.

[@Airwave202]

Chance Turner Mythic is harder, there is no denying that. But really, what is my motivation to do it? I can do Heroic instead. All I get out of Mythic is a few different mechanics and a different color gear with higher item level. After doing an entire raid on one difficulty I can't be fucking bothered to run it again on another. Wipe over and over on the same bosses I just wiped on for weeks on a different difficulty. No thanks.

[@ChichiNaka]

Gaia Tuvan My sarcasm went over everyones head, I agree with all of you, I stopped raiding in mid Cata and I feel like theres no content in WoD for me, I tried to get into normal HM at the start but every group fell apart after one wipe on Brackenspore and now that LFR gives ugly as fuck gear I don't even bother with that for transmog like I did with moP raids

[@ChichiNaka]

Dexter Curry Nah, stopped raiding in Cata because after what, 7 years? I got over needing to log in at a certain time and blah blah blah. LFR was fine for me all through MoP if I liked the appearance of the sets for certain classes I'd farm it out, now it offers nothing for me, I have 11 characters at roughly 665+ each just from doing about 1 minute of garrison work daily

[@HiddenThicket]

Dexter Curry Direct me to these guilds. I'll probably have to cross realm, though.

[@CloudStrife893]

I said it day 1 of the xpac. There is no flying in Draenor because it is half the size without tanaan of any continent in the game. Flying would only show that. You ever avianna's feather in the oldworld. You aren't getting anywhere with that shit. In draenor you can cross half the continent with it.

[@Konde1]

It is so small because it is designed to have no flying

[@CloudStrife893]

wtf does that even mean.

[@Ecliptor.]

CloudStrife893 What the fuck? Draenor is almost the same size as Outland, if not bigger. What the fuck are you talking about? rofl

[@CloudStrife893]

recheck your stats or go play the game and you will see. Anyone who has played for any period of time can see how tiny draenor is. Oceans don't count as size of the continent

[@CloudStrife893]

dude no shit you will get to ratchet from hyjal. Hyjal is really high up in the air So you think they made the continent smaller so it would take us less time to run?? lol You guys will defend anything shit blizzard puts out. Even when it lost 3 million subs. Draenor isn't even close to the size of other continents without tanaan and you're completely idiotic if you think otherwise. Done talking to noobs.

[@TheRealLink]

Great video man and some very concise ideas and points. Only slight thing I'll disagree on is that I've still found it greatly enjoyable to work on a single character in the raid scene, but I can understand where you're coming from. At least when we were leveling from 90-100 and getting ready for Highmaul, the world was alive and sure, tons of things to do, but since Highmaul and BRF, there's... oh, not much at all. It's nice that Blizzard is playing around with neat ideas and some of the WoD changes are nice, but as was said, most people only log on to do their garrisons and something that probably wasn't intended now feels like a chore. In addition, I still find it strange that on posts, the devs still need to adjust class abilities by upwards of 20-30%. 30%! That's not a tweak. That's something that's radically broken and needs to be fixed. A few friends of mine that enjoy their particular class or spec can't even play it because oh wait, in a raid they need x ilevel to be accepted into groups, skill be darned. You're right though, raids or not, flying or not, they do need to fix "something" to curb that large of a population loss. I've told people that some of it is just natural - that look at today's MMO market, far more crowded than in 2006. But 3M subs down is telling and like yourself, I do hope they find a way to have it continue. But even if not, it's Blizzard, they still probably have Billions in reserve one would think so they may not even need to listen at all.

[@cory62911]

Maybe they'll implement legacy servers haha...Yeah I know it's probably a long shot, but a guy can dream right?

[@kleina7]

For me it wasn't just the garrison. I hate the fact that raids have 4 difficulties. Imagine if The Black Temple had 4 difficulties? Would it be as epic seeing Illidan die for the "first" time on mythic mode if he had already died a billion times before? The game has improved a lot, especially the classes. The dps, tanking and healing rotation back in the day was not fun. But the character progression was. In wod your character progression is level to 100-dungeons-lfrhm-normalhm-lfrbrf-normalbrf-heroichm-heroicbrf-mythichm-mythicbrf. Sounds fun doesn't it? Nope. Lets talk about tbc: level from 60-70 dungeons-karazhan-gruul-magtheridon-ssc-tk-hyjal-blacktemple-sunwell. Now we just have difficultly modes, and that takes the epic feeling of the game.

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

Lol runescape, I'm playing that right now lol, runescape > wow as if..

[@j.n.agoston436]

Backstab9499 its funny because its true

[@ccgamerlol]

Backstab9499 I might wanna check out that game, maybe even 2007 version later, heard its better, wow for me is either a daily grind or pvp grind(which btw is without any reward since its nearly impossible getting gladiator rank atm, broken ladder 07:11 is totally true btw) basically WoW being with 40 keybinds for each class (they removed a lot so might be even less) is a casuals game now, do dailys, pve is a brickwall against casuals (not sure tho, but the jump from leveling to pve is harsh for newbies, especially with the 90 boosts) pvp is offputting when a warrior can kill you within 5 seconds if you dont have gear runescape you lose all your items when you die in pvp, i think its also more pvp oriented game, even tho you have limited amount of skills or keybinds definitely gonna check it out

[@malinko35]

Crassie ccg 40 keybinds? I wish. I feel like theyre trying to make this game playable with a fucking controller now.

[@JudsKing]

Crassie ccg runescape isn't a more pvp orientated game. play oldschool and check out all the content, theres tonnes to do.

[@Ecliptor.]

Backstab9499 It's beyond my mind how people can torture themselves with that cancer.

[@giapreys]

I've never really played WoW and probably never will but I really like to listen to this guy talk, nice videos dude!

[@Sonnabend00]

Asmongold: to this date there has been ZERO proof that LFR has any effect on subs,.,so either be honest and state this fact or shut up and leave LFR alone. Sick of your anti LFR agenda

[@asmongold1341]

Sonnabend00 There's no proof that it hasn't either, I'm not going to leave LFR alone until it's either removed or changed from a skinner-box life support system for apathetic players into something worthwhile and community driven.

[@Sonnabend00]

Asmongold "There's no proof that it hasn't either" is a total cop out. I cant prove there arent fairies at the bottom of the garden but only a fool goes looking for them. "'m not going to leave LFR alone until it's either removed"..thank you for confirming that you do indeed have an agenda and that it is the sole basis of your rants. Thank you for proving that you only have problems and not solutions. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but there is zero chance of LFR ever being removed..btw one of the biggest issues of WOD is that too much WAS removed. LFR stays. The end.

[@Sonnabend00]

Sonnabend00 Prove to me conclusively that lFR has any relation to subs...but I know you cant. You make claims but cant back them up. You blame LFR but have no facts to substantiate that stance. Until you do what you have is whats called "an opinion"..which is not fact.

[@Sonnabend00]

"into something worthwhile and community driven...."..okay lets hear it. How? How wouldf you do this? What methods would you use? Whats your plan? What would accomplish this?" Community driven" ..by what means? By what community? How would the community "drive" this? Copme on Asmon lets hear it...you propose a problem now lets hear the solution?

[@asmongold1341]

Sonnabend00 I didn't say LFR was the sole reason that subs dropped, that's ridiculous, it's not even the main reason, I said it was a factor. Even though it seems obvious you don't want an answer, I'll give it to you anyway: I'd like to see entry-level raiding go back to how it was in WotLK, where you could pretty much go into Naxx 10 right out of heroics and do just fine. Then move up into ToC, and go on from there. Casual players are the backbone of this game and it would be silly to think overwise, I want to give those casual players a means and venue to interact with each other. I'm not against casual players and I think entry-level raiding is one of the most important parts of the game which is why it's so important that it provides a rewarding and social experience for the player which I believe LFR in it's current form does not.

[@guilhermeeduardo6710]

I quit WoW solely for the fact that gear is barely customisable now, it really sucks, makes me miss MoP.

[@Woolie]

I originally "quit" Runescape after 7 years to give WoW a chance and this expansion made me (definitely) quit WoW to go back to RS lol

[@Nemspy]

Professions and the economy were my favourite parts of the game. I also like a somewhat meaningful levelling experience. That's had its heart torn out with this joke of an expansion. I've been playing since Feb 2005 -- my account has never lapsed. I've not logged on since early Feb and in the month before that I was pretty much just "checking my follower email" every day. You're right -- it sucks.

[@zonikzebra]

well said, i agree with you! thanks for all your videos, me and my son enjoy watching them and when we search for "special" help like soloing/achievments and what not we almost always find a good video from you regarding this. thanks again, and we all wish for a better wow-experience in the nearest future. /martin and theodor from sweden

[@kevino13]

I've been a solo WoW player for a long time now. I used to play with my friends from Highschool, but since going to college and all that, I've just been by myself. And, at this point, I'm only still playing because of the WoW token. All I do in WoW is check my Garrison, do LFR just for the Legendary quest (Don't really care about raiding), and then farm older shit for mounts and pets. I've run out of shit to do in WoD, and just trying to get all this older stuff. I'm not saying Blizzard needs to cater to the casuals, but fuck. 6.1 added a few new toys, like one mount, and BRF opened around that time (not technically part of the patch). Have they been spending ALL THEIR EFFORT making Tanaan Jungle, the new Timeless Isle? Or are they working on the next expansion already? Seriously, what are they doing? Is their production pipeline so slow that it takes them months to make one zone that's filled with recolors and re-used assets? Bliz said they took the Project Titan team and integrated them into the WoW team, and that's why it took a fucking year of SoO before any new content. Well, it's been almost 6 months since the release of WoD, and there hasn't been any new content yet. That merger must have really FUCKED the WoW team up bad. Maybe this is why Project Titan never went anywhere. I really want to see WoW's next expansion. I want to see what Blizzard promises, then fails to deliver again. Maybe they'll announce a new race that you can't play until the 7.2 patch. Or maybe a new class that only has abilities up to level 45, and has to be finished later.

[@newjerseyjustin]

I really don't like how they removed ten man mythic. My guild was ten man in MoP then going and finding ten more people was such a struggle and we broke up because of it. That ten man was so close and it was started from the ground up in MoP only to fall apart because Blizzard didn't want it anymore. It's things like this that don't make any sense to me, why take something away that soo many people played and enjoyed.

[@TsarDragunov]

Tbh this is my first time watching you and I subbed right after the video finished. You hit the nail right on the head with this! Let's hope they're working on the next expac and that's why everythings so shitty. I don't think blizzard even likes WoD.

[@paintdrinker932]

As one of the 2.9M people who quit the game, like 60% of the reason is due to me being on a backwater server in a shit guild, but the other 40% are pretty much exactly what you were talking about. When WoD dropped, I fucking loved it. The lack of flying which led to a real feeling of exploration and grandeur, it offered the richest levelling experience of any expansion, the heroic dungeons offered a decent challenge at first and Highmaul was simply wonderful, but then there were Garrisons, LFR, Professions and bloody Trashran. The garrisons removed ALL incentive to explore the world or communicate with other, real people. LFR (even though it's been around since Dragon Soul) has given gear to people who may not deserve it for very little effort. Professions have been reduced to an endless stream of garrison resources and waiting. Ashran is just.... well, I'm sure I don't have to explain the issues with Ashran. While I disagree with the flying thing, I wouldn't really mind if it were implemented and led to people leaving their garrisons. Ugh, anyway, great video as always Asmon, have a good one mate.

[@jimrustle2797]

While i agree that losing 3 million or so subscribers isnt a good thing, you have to remember that its just how it goes with MMO's and expansions - the only difference here is that WoD was hyped up and had so much more advertising and hype building strategies in place that it brought tons of people who may have never even heard of the game to give it a shot, many of these people may have been dissapointed to find a 10 year old MMO the source of it all and as such never bothered continuing playing. I have experienced this as several friends of mine who had never touched an MMO saw the hype, the ads on trailer, the news about it online etc and decided to give it a shot, only to get bored after the first week or so just because lets face it, MMO's are something not everyone can enjoy or appreciate like other genres might be. As i said, losing 3 million subscribers isnt good, its definitely something Blizzard needs to respond to with action, i.e. more content etc but i also dont think its as bad as it may seem - "nothing gained, nothing lost" is a quote that comes to mind here, all that was lost (or the majority of) was just new people trying the game, perhaps trying the MMO genre for the first time and finding out its not for them. Still, i hope this gives Blizzard a bit of a kick up the ass nevertheless because i think we can all agree that WoD has been lackluster in regards to how much they hyped it up - hopefully 6.2 and whatever patches and expansions may come after that will have a brighter looking future.

[@Muddyowns]

Hey, Asmongold. I just found your channel recently, I like your stuff! I wanted to say that I agree with a lot of what you said and I am curious if you'd entertain an idea I had while watching this vid. Do you think you could make a video comparing the differences between WoD and Vanilla/other expacs? It really hit home when you said "You can't play one character in WoD, and play hardcore with one character. There is really no single main character experience." And I agree, very much. I just think it would be very cool to see the way the game has changed over time, in a nice rage free comparison video.

[@arob210]

Dude....You are awesome. Thank you for making this

[@mkdcg]

After trying out WoW again after a 5 year break, I was kind of shocked at changes. I'm with you when it comes to lack of helm, chest, and other enchants. I went looking for some enchants for my new gear, and I don't even remember seeing spellthread for pants when I got back from my break. Or at least it wasn't level 100. Only level 85 and you couldn't use it on items over ilvl 600, which my stuff is currently 700. Or any items with gem sockets on them. WoW seems pretty watered down compared to when I quit in 2010.

[@osterberg501]

Even if WOD was the best expansion so far I doubt the subs would be over 8 million at this point. The hype train for WOD was crazy but that's kind of all it was. It seems to me that they're pulling another cataclysm and giving up on the expansion for the next one. Hopefully they take what they have seen from the community and make the next expansion much better. The questing in WOD was incredible and in my opinion so have been the raids, but can't be the whole game.

[@grumpypig2202]

It would be cool if you talked about the role of new classes and races in the creation of new expansions, and how the lack of them might have affected WoD

[@Celthor]

I have played World of Warcraft since 2005, with short breaks in between. No other game has been able to grab me and keep me. The game has improved in so many ways since I first started playing, but in my opinion it has gotten a lot less social. Cataclysm caused ALL of my RL friends to quit. Every last one, and there was a lot of them. I have not made a friend in game since Wrath of the Lich King. My personality is partly to blame for this, because I am shy IRL and that doesn't change much in game. I have played this game as a solo experience since Cataclysm. Before dungeon finder and LFR in Cataclysm, I had to reach out to other players, and they had good reason to reach out to me to experience certain content. I'm in no way blaming or advocating for the removal of the dungeon finder or LFR, just stating that those two features have made being less social a lot easier. I canceled my subscription after the announcement of subscription losses but not because of it. I'm sick of logging in and people not being interested in the other people who share this world (Azeroth) with them. I haven't been able to find a home since Wrath of the Lich King when I was in a guild with friends. I join guilds now and everyone is so anti-social. I get excited when I join a guild and actually receive a welcome. I have so many fond memories of this game, but I fear that it has lost the magic that captured me and kept me for so long.

[@TheRetribution99]

I remember when Q1 subs were posted and Blizzard said they anticipated the number of subscribers were going to drop like every other expansion release. Except subs didn't start dropping until Cataclysm. They're so out of touch. Q2 didn't include the subs gained from the wow token either. Q3 is going to come out with patch 6.2 subs and inflate the numbers. It's going to be interesting to see if this expansion brings another ICC/DS/SoO with one content patch stretching over a year or more. RIP wow

[@Voffsing1]

I haven't watched any of your videos before, Asmongold, but I think you were spot on with everything you said. One of the things you said was "WoW isn't an MMORPG anymore", and I think that sums up the whole situation pretty well. The soul of this game is completely gone, and the time not spent standing around waiting for queues is spent fiddling with interfaces and sending your followers on missions that YOU YOURSELF should be doing. I've been playing on a Vanilla private server for two months now (just hear me out), and while it's unpolished and outdated in certain areas, I'm having way more fun than I've ever had in WoD. I'm not asking Blizzard to bring back Vanilla, but I do hope they get their shit together and start fixing the glaring problems World of Warcraft has today.

[@makeared]

As someone who has a lot going on in their life yet, I love to raid heroic/mythic. I love the fact that I don't have to spend hours on my one single toon in order to make him/her raid ready. I have several lvl 100s and now because of garrisons and minimal dailies I have 4 100s over 680 item lvl and two that I am preparing for raiding. I love to play different classes and experience a fight in different roles. Without garrisons and minimal dailies I do not think this would be possible. HM and BRF both still provided the challenge I look for so when I get the AOTC feats I feel accomplished. I think the fact that garrisons have made players more self sufficient and able to not sacrifice school/work time to maintain raid ready toons is a great thing

[@TheRobaaz]

Hello Asmongold! Is there any chance you could do like a nostalgic video with your old screenshots? Would be nice to see some old footage ^^

[@jackhammerjohnny3855]

There was VERY LITTLE about Warlords of Draenor I sat back and said "wow, I really like this." There were a several things that I really hated. Like... the main thing was, a whole bunch of my characters straight up stopped being fun to play, because the Ability Prune was a fucking bust. I don't mean whether my DPS output, or ability to tank or heal was diminished... I mean the flow of what my characters could do. Rotation. Abilities. MOST of my characters stopped being playable. Next on the list, I was completely enraged by their decision to cut Bladespire and Karabor in favour of Ashran. I do not PvP, I do not want my capital city to be handcuffed to the PvP zone. There were also a lot of things I just didn't like (but didn't completely hate). I mean, I appreciate the design concept around Garrisons (we demanded player housing, so they gave it to us... but content without activity is a waste, so Garrisons have stuff to do) but obviously Garrisons were a complete fail. Really, a lot of the stuff from WoD was just "kinda shitty." I mean, I liked flying. I think most of the people who THOUGHT they wanted it gone realized after the fact that jumping puzzles instead of flying is a stupid trade off. I didn't really care for "future orcs past" as a story line. A huge problem though, was that Blizzard was very sluggish about telling us things. When they were breaking their promises to us, they tried to deflect and delay that admission until the last possible moment (or 2am on a Friday night). They disregarded a LOT of player feedback. Beta testers told them a lot of their shit was SHIT... and they put it into the game anyways. I also so some really snarky, defensive, and derisive posts coming from Blizz representatives to their players. You can fuck up your game... but disrespecting your players, refusing to acknowledge them... until they rip your throats out by unsubscribing... is pretty unforgivable. Obviously I unsubbed. Before 6.1 dropped in fact. I don't know that I care to come back.

[@Triniprince1420]

BC is a reminiscent memory and was the first real extension of content, but let's be honest here; Burning Crusade was a challenge from east to west to north to south. We had dailies that actually mattered and awarded us justly for our time. Grinding that Netherwing Drake was annoying as hell, but shit, I would accept that grind over trying to join a damn group over premade for 90+ hrs just to get Poundfist. The dungeons from BC ARE STILL fun as hell, considering the fact that Blizz had to create a Timewalk feature in order to try and make WOD fun/more reminiscent to BC. The tone, the experience etc, everything was just right in BC. I remember grinding my teeth at how annoying Hellfire Ramparts (yes the dungeon) was back in BC. As a tank, the amount of stuns and disarms I had to deal with from those damn Fel Orcs, uggghh. But tbh, compared to WOD, I can't believe I actually miss that sort of difficulty, because the feeling of victory was so rewarding, and that's without mentioning the rewards of the dungeons. WOD has some great dungeons and it just felt mediocre. The only time I enjoyed it was at the start of expansion when I leveled my first char from 90-100. Compare Auchindoun (WOD) to Auchenai Crypts, Mana Tombs, Sethekk Halls, or Shadow Labyrinth (BC) which is the same place for those who don't know. It doesn't compare; Auchindoun just lacks compared to those dungeons in a variety of ways. The only real thing I actually liked about WOD was the leveling from 90-100 and even now it's gotten stale for me. But I would rather do that than any other content. I agree with Asmongold that Garrisons are a huge disappointment, it feels like a chore more than content that should keep you motivated in doing it. I like having my own herb garden and mining cave, but the profession buildings seem more of a convenience in terms of travelling distance more than it is for crafting. I prefer the old way of crafting gear in MOP, albeit for me to even mention MOP, but god I think I enjoyed MOP more in certain areas than I do WOD. It seems like the game has become something mostly based on convenience more than the aspect of rewards for doing challenging content. Asmongold has spoken about the concept of LFR and truthfully, I was against his statements. I play WOW very casually now; one month I would play then I won't play until 2 months after. I used to enjoy the fact that I could see and experience raid content without actually being part of a raid group. But now, I don't even feel like raiding........EVER!!!! Back in the day, I used to be fearful of raiding because I didn't think I was good enough and when I got into my first raid group in Cata, I was happy and thrilled to be a part of the raiding community. Of course having great friends makes the game that much better and also the raiding experience as well, but my point is with LFR, there is no encouragement to reach that next step in being a WOW player. I don't say this to be mean to those who actually love LFR, but it's more of a concern that LFR (with Norm/Heroic) content has diminished the motivation for players to go forth in progression of raiding. In WOD, there is a major decline in Raid groups, because everything is (convenient) enough that players don't need to raid in order to experience the content that only RAIDERS should be experiencing. IMO, RF should have it's own raiding content; basically easy raid content that leads to harder raid content. For instance, RF could be Highmaul and then the real raiding content for norms and heroics would be Blackrock Foundry. This way, everyone (including hardcore raiders) would be inclined to do RF in order to get gear for BRF and also understand the story and reasons to how Highmaul leads to BRF. Again, LFR should be it's own raiding content and since Blizz said they doubled their staff (which seems like Bullshit based on WOD), then creating separate raids for LFR that leads up to the harder raids difficulties in both gear and story progression shouldn't be a problem. I could type out more things but this is long enough, bottomline, BC and Wrath were literally the pinnacle of WOW and how amazing of a game it could be. Even Cata had it's moments. Come on Blizz.

[@Dejoblue]

"Since its an alternate time-line they can just pretend it didn't happen". FUCKING EPIC BRO!

[@cozycare1655]

It saddens me...I've met some of the coolest people online and later in person all the way through TBC and part of Wrath expansions. After that, those friends left and it was harder to even hold a decent conversation because of cross realms and dungeon finders. My account is still active but I stopped playing 4 weeks into WoD expansion. I hate to say goodbye to WoW so I'll log in for a minute and then log right back out and play Heroes of the Storm BETA lol.

[@Damingo54]

Im 3 min into this video. Already one of your best uploads. Nailing it.

[@DrFate-dd7ek]

LFR broke my heart man. I quit during wrath and came back late cata.. I remember hitting max level and using LFR to kill deathwing with complete strangers and doing nothing but copying the people around me and defeating him easily. There's no challenge in the PVE at all anymore. I just play on a wrath private server now..

[@TheStellarEnt]

I agree with everything and I also hate how they made reputation factions irrelevent. I really enjoyed the factions in MoP because it felt like I was accomplishing something through the quests you got that advanced the factions plot. Most even had an epic finale once you hit exalted. In WoD though? Each is just a horrible grind with no payoff besides a recoloured mount. What did I get after spending HOURS farming Shatari Defense rep? Nothing. No finale, no NPC interaction not even a freaking letter. That is some vanilla wow shit right there.

[@youthfuldeception]

Hey Nice video, I played wow for about 3 years around when burning crusade came out, I took a break 2 years ago to concentrate on uni with the full intention of coming back to the game. Now that my course is nearly over, it seems that a lot of the things that I loved about this game have changed I'm not sure if its worth coming back to.

[@AlValentyn]

I have to agree a lot. I stopped playing before Wrath, and Just got back for WoD, and if it wasn't for catching up on old content I'd have nothing to do in WoD. At least TBC had dailies and interesting quests ( aka Netherwing Drakes ) to do between raiding. WoD feels odd now. PvP is a horrible joke at the moment sadly. I wish they'd fix it and get rid of this Holinka guy. He obviously has no clue, and refuses to take any constructive advice. I hope they pull it off and sort things out as playing WoW again with friends is amazing, we just need more to do.

[@Jmeon4eva]

This was also when FF14 started relaunching its world

[@MsDazedMarit]

I am one of the subscribers who quit. I've played since BC, played till MoP (With a few minor breaks here and there), and quit during Mop because I thought it sucked. Came back for WoD because I was really excited and thought it looked amazing. Played for about 3-4 months or so, and got bored out of my mind. I've cancelled my subscription and I can't imagine that I will ever come back again now. A game can't remain interesting for so many years, WoW's been at the top of its peak, and what a great game it has been. But no longer. Blizzard have to stop viewing this community as a money-making-machine, and see how hungry the players are for content!

[@FreddyD11]

I agree about the garrisons. They might have hurt subscriptions. They're isolating. There's nowhere for everyone to hang out. MoP had its problems but at least people had a place to chill and meet people, the Shrines. What do you have now, Stormshield? A bunch of dirt roads and a pond?

[@onethreeify]

I really feel that your point on WoD not being "main-friendly" is hitting it right on the spot.

[@qwerty49424]

They need to have more in-game GM's like moderators for battle grounds, dungeons and Trade chat, if they see some one breaking the rules they could warn them, if they are non responsive they would get a second warning as a temp ban, then perma ban if it goes on.

[@Ariandra]

It's saddening how they're advertising 6.2 as the biggest content patch yet. Tanaan Jungle should've been out on release, only approx 7-8 months late. I actually raided mythic but cancelled my sub due to many reasons but mostly because the game feels lackluster. I'm an altoholic and running 5 toons on 3-4 difficulties has worn me out.

[@TheStormsong]

I never got the logic in this expansion. They removed flying so that we would encounter other players more, yet give us garrisons where we just sit around all day alone, because there's just not much to do outside of the garrison. I met far more people in Pandaria than I do now. I nearly quit as well, but decided to stay because I still love raiding. My guild is currently struggling to get a working raid team though, as more and more of our members take a hiatus from the game (indefinitely). I wonder if we will even have a raid team by the time 6.2 drops :(

[@nelsoc2]

I quit before Panda, thought for good. Then WoD really got me and some friends pumped up for the game. We all quit 2 months in because it was not what we expected. (basically $15/month for farmville) Since beta here are a few things I would love for them to roll back in some form: 1) cross server dungeons/raids - remove this. people in these only care about running dungeons as fast as possible with no interaction. reason: lost immersion and social interaction in an MMO 2) instant queue dungeons - remove this BUT keep the group finding aspect. The best of both worlds would be the meeting stones again. People actually have to travel to the dungeon itself. I loved seeing other groups forming and the random pvp fights going on outside the dungeon entrances. Plus a little travel made the world feel real 3) items for free - remove this. i love the new loot idea (everyone gets their own loot or gold) but it needs to only be for a 'good' dungeon set (blue gear), not the end game epics. This way you can build a great dungeon set that you will get 'for free' by just running a few things WHILE you are trying to get the rare drop chance of an EPIC item I have more but there is a lot that is needed (10 dk can solo raid content?? - remove)

[@ActionDan2857]

I actually started playing swtor again after having not played since it's release. I'll say I'm amazed at how much work has been done with it. And it actually feels like an mmo.

[@fizman22]

Also I loved that quote you made about flying. Blizzard removed flying to give us a better multiplayer experience. But being phased out in your Garrison all day totally contradicts this. While I think its best to keep flying out of the game. Flying was never the problem. The problem was things became so easy to obtain w/o ever leaving a capital city, or in WoDs case your Garrison. Leveling being easy is fine for us veteran WoW players were all about the endgame. But I don't see how the current leveling experience can captivate new players.

[@MrHouckms]

And they just announced a cash shop mount, that they actually put time into unlike the in game mounts. 1 day after announcing 25% sub loss, they announce a cash shop mount. It honestly makes me sad because I loved this game, but I don't know that its for me anymore.

[@HipsterVegeta]

The best business decision for Blizzard to do in my opinion going into the next major content patch after 6.2 whether it is a new expansion or another raid tier is to give us so much content that we can't do it all even. We have been left with so little content every patch that we do it the first week and are done. We need things to do. We need fun and engaging things. Blizzard needs to stop worrying about the money and be creative and don't worry about experimenting. We need some new ideas. In all honesty garrisons were a good idea but needed to be released with 2-3 more fresh never before done ideas to balance it out.

[@user-cv7ey6fb4c]

I haven't played WoW in years and i thought I'd watch some videos about it. At first i thought this was just a pure rant but I gotta say it was a great video. Probably gonna hold off on coming back for a little.

[@bentoussi2837]

It's a fucking shame what they did to this expansion

[@CouldRay_]

Great video as always. Is there a reason why you dont put your twitter in your description? Just curious since I've only found out about it today.

[@rickrollingisgay]

me and my friends from mop think exactly the same, glad we're not the only one with this opinion man.. good stuff.

[@Brianlikescars]

Asmongold, I don't play wow anymore, haven't since vanilla, but to your comment at 7:10... I'm a software engineer, and honestly, it IS about that easy. Your information to the game is transferred by packets, and those packets are ingested. The ingestion happens serverside, and then the server takes care of said packets. If an account was running the same scripts, it would be SUPER easy to have that send a flag, then you have a dev look at accounts that get flagged, badabing badaboom. So in short, it IS that easy.

[@Arntor-kf9hi]

WoD was the final nail that made me give up on ever getting the WoW I loved back. Cataclysm was a big let down, but I shrugged it off. MoP was an enormous bust imo and was a real hard one to shake off since it came right after Cata, but I was able to brush that aside once I started getting information on WoD. I was so excited to finally be getting back to some classic WoW story line and was so pumped to see their pvp rework after the disaster that was MoP just to be let down again in the same ways I had been let down in the previous two expansions and it finally caused me to hit a tipping point. It made me ask myself "why would anyone pay $15/month for this" and once that got into my head I couldn't get it out.

[@barryfoster7517]

I quit playing back in Feb 2015 after playing since Sept 2009 and I still believe my only happy times were in the the Lich King content when level 80 was the top level. Cataclysm was a dire mistake and offered nothing but fire, Dragons and world devastation to Azeroth along with dusted down and re-released old dungeons and forever changed what I loved so much about WoW, Pandaria although jammed solid with content may have used up many hours to experience it all but left me feeling empty inside because as I also found in WoD, the magic of this magnificent game going from Vanilla to the WotLK was now gone for good, to be replaced by stupid pet battles, farm plots, Garrison's, rehashed dungeons and cosmetic changes to the landscapes I came to love and lose like Southshore in the Hillsbrad Foothills and the beautiful scenery of Stranglethorn Vale and Barrens which were wastefully damaged just to change what were once fabulous areas to enjoy. I never played the original Warcraft games from 1994 - 2003 but even then, the story arc with those games ended with the death of Arthas and the story and magic of WoW died once the WotLK expansion came to a close in December 2010 and I have never again seen that magic and felt the pure enjoyment I once had since that time, I stayed because I hoped it would make a triumphant return but Blizzard lost the plot when they gave us Cataclysm because they no longer had a story to tell, they simply cooked up another expansion and discarded the heart and soul of this brilliant game and I no longer felt a connection to it anymore. The farm plots kept me at my keyboard for 15 minutes per character each day, ( 6 in total ) and I became seriously unhappy and the garrison's took 2 hours from me before I could do anything with just one character, basically, Blizzard kept me stuck behind my keyboard paying to play a game I no longer enjoyed. Perhaps if Blizzard had kept the format of Vanilla to WotLK without the devastation to the world scape the same right up to the present, I may have had a reason to carry on but as I said, they ran out of story to tell after Arthas died and my love for WoW died with it. If I could do it all again, I would play the game from it's launch in 2004 and quit at the end of WotLK and leave WoW with nothing but happy memories. R.I.P WoW.

[@47Wrobel]

Blizzard needs to stop decorating their "used car". I hate to say it, but every thing burns out and needs to be replaced. I've told myself since Cata, what Blizzard needs is a completely new WoW game. They need to start working on what I refer to as, WoW2. If they released a whole new game and started everything fresh, you can bet your ass I would be there for launch as well as all of my friends from vanilla.

[@pdieraue]

That lobster metaphor made no sense. You actually do cook live lobsters by boiling the water first and then putting the lobster straight in. They don't crawl out because they just die almost immediately.

[@dragongt2009]

Just remove the LFR, the garrisons are fine, the farming in the Mines are not enough for you to actually profit. Removing LFR or any of the LF crap gives me a reason to makes friends with people. WoW actually taught me how to make friends back in the day. Just trying to get along with random people was the best experience

[@Hofflerand]

Mark Ochoa the farming in mines isn't enough for you to profit because everyone has one, which means actual miners can't profit because now everyone is a miner. it's a super bad system. also i don't care about gold anymore because my followers earn it all for me - there's one less incentive for me to do anything in this game. i guess i could spend this gold on game time? i could, but WoW is pretty boring right now so i think i'll just play something else edit: i agree with you that lfd (particularly at max level) and lfr are very bad for the game

[@dragongt2009]

What I do is just convert those extra stuff to primal spirit and create gear. There is a huge profit margin for them. each truesteel ingot cost like 15 gs for me to make. truesteel equipment would have a bottomline of about 1500gs. This takes allot of ores so that the supply is sufficient. Each equipment sell for like 2.5k or more on my server

[@Spika94]

I am going to resub on WoW when 6.2 comes out. If it doesn't make some really good changes I will just wait for the next expansion. I canceled my subscription a few days ago because like you said, I am just "checking my e-mails" at this point.

[@ang45875]

I have played since vanilla release and I totally agree with a lot of the stuff you said. Whenever I log on, I just come on to do my garrison stuff and that's it. I'm tired of doing the same stuff, day after day! Now, if I want to buy game time via AH, it's going to require me to do more grinding. It's getting old. I really hope that things improve soon because I keep seeing people inactive in my guild because the game's current state.

[@ben_pl]

I disabled my WoW subscription for a while because the first couple months WoD was released I could never get into a raid/finish a raid that's difficulty is above LFR only because I always got queued with idiots who leave on the first wipe and then everyone will follow that one guy who left. On top of that, I've yet to finish a complete raid on Heroic difficulty this whole time WoD has been out. And what's even more pathetic is that I almost had a full set of 670 gear ONLY waiting for the Blackrock Foundry Spoils every four or so weeks. I felt like I was trapped inside of my garrison and there was nothing else to do. I was Loremaster with pretty much everything done in Draenor (quests, garrison campaign, draenor mount collecting, etc) besides the raids which I could never complete with a random group of players. Then if I try to find a guild, they spam you with messages saying to get this program, or that program, or this program to talk to them-- pretty much filling your SSD with bloatware every time. It's fucking stupid that I had 7 different communication programs on my computer at one time. And that's just not me, probably the other 2,899,999 players who left, left of the same reason. Again, on top of that, I think new games like GTA V being released made a huge amount of players forget about WoW, just like me.