REAL TALK: Losing Hurts...But It Doesn't Have To

[@allens.6085]

"The difference between the novice and the master is that the master has failed more times than the novice has tried" - Koro Sensei

[@okami7847]

What an awesome quote.

[@lonesomegavlan7279]

Wise words

[@DJoka10001]

That anime lit doe

[@LemoNanora]

Assassination Classroom

[@DJoka10001]

@Aesthetic Pig What?

[@robsonpommer7464]

Losing only hurts when you know you could have won. I have absolutely no shame in losing to a good player.

[@groudon2006]

I don't care if they are good or bad, winning and losing don't discriminate, unless losing means I can never play my game again then I don't care as long as I'm enjoying it

[@17ScionFlames]

Totally agree with you, drives home when they get that type of win and run away. But a good fight keeps me motivated and a good loss makes me want to learn from where I messed up

[@thatguy3718]

I don't care about wins and losses I'm not a pro player and don't intend to be, but I love the learning curve and challenge that facing a good player gives me

[@westcali9621]

If he’s not a dirt bag

[@groudon2006]

I would only say a loss hurts when I know my opponent is good but he's a dick about it for example teabagging and taunting as if they were entitled to win

[@someguy0094]

This is why I like watching Max's content. He's chill, he's wise, he's real, and most importantly: Benny.

[@ajallred0606]

To Benny

[@zombine555]

RIP the legend.

[@forward4370]

I just lost 40 straight matches on dbfz and got depressed. I needed this.

[@rjdk24]

I always lost to this smash player. Once I finally learned the match up. It felt great.

[@doctorreed_]

Forward 4 i feel you man, you arent alone

[@Xandersama]

I lost 12 straight to this black goku player and I wanted to scream.

[@shen5533]

Damn...

[@mikelong2756]

Get gud scrub lol 😂 jk ggs

[@fluttermon2468]

0:59 Benny wants to get in the conversation too and give his thoughts. Like old times.

[@docwashere3466]

*Reads title* Low Tier God: *angrily screeching in the background*

[@alternateA]

oooo, I can hear it now~

[@roguespartan345]

Max: dood you don’t need to feel bad about losing, it’s a learning experience. LTG: GET THAT ASS BANNED!

[@EndlessDream]

This comment made me laugh harder than I should.

[@gettingnewbread5434]

LeftTheGame

[@RobertTarlow]

LowtierGod played Killer Instinct and he sucked at that game lol.

[@dirtydiesel1149]

Remember guys, those L's stand for lessons.

[@Xandersama]

Then I learned a lot.

[@MrLilherb504]

Facts

[@JIX9ISLER1986]

LAG

[@Zepherr1337]

I don’t understand how losing you learn you should lose because you were bad.

[@alternateA]

This is the mental state we all need to give ourselves.

[@johnnysalery7383]

"There's a benefit to losing, you get to learn from your mistakes" -Megamind 2011

[@etrotm12thebluewolf15]

"When you love something, you'll learn it." - Maximilian Dood

[@unrooolie]

When I am fighting someone who is amazing and I am doing pretty good but still loosing that is exciting to me. Witnessing the other persons skill and seeing my self learning is super fun. Also loosing is easier when you aren’t dealing with a shitty winner aka mortal kombat teabaggers

[@Shiratto]

And/Or Soul Calibur/Tekken post win stompers

[@That_Guy_From]

If losing hurts, just lose in a cooler way next time that way you can say "At least I was sick"

[@stickytim64]

Style can be worth everything lol

[@PixelBrosProduction1]

In other words be hYPE AS HELL!

[@Eidlones]

That's partly why I like playing joke characters like Dan, and Hakan

[@flashbackfrank8781]

Just don't use it as an excuse to throw any time ya start losing. Go down fighting 💪

[@noctorock]

The way I've learned to not get mad at losing in fighting games is I've shifted my goal from "play to win" to "play to learn". Playing to win is what you do when you're in top 8 at evo. Otherwise, I think you should ALWAYS be playing to learn the game, learn the matchups, and learn your character(s). That way you always get what you came for (unless all your opponents keep leaving after getting 1 win...come on people, rematch!)

[@BigGamingBossMan]

That’s freaking DEPRESSING how people have to choose the training stage if they want a really good connection and lag-free gameplay

[@markwentsleightlymad]

GoldenOracle64 I know what you mean. You would think the machines at either end would be doing the graphical heavy-lifting, so why have that data involved except to track locations and maybe note when hazards are triggered.

[@NonaryNathan999]

Not only that, but dont people also pick training stage since people who have practiced on it forever use the grid design for advantage on on far which attack goes?

[@ShiningT1g3R]

In the words of Fei Long/Bruce Lee: "Your greatest move, is the one you regret not doing."

[@FastJohn443]

wow that is deep

[@jorgebaez3328]

I work two jobs and it’s discouraging to even play since I don’t have time to practice. These days I just have fun beating the computer up lol.

[@senpaideadpool]

Wepa

[@wednesdaygeckok.7899]

I prefer playing alone against the AI I've never been awesome at fighting games but I love them. Dont get discouraged because you arent alone

[@GalaxyMii]

You should definitely take a look at skullgirls mobile. It directly targeted to someone in your own situation

[@phredbookley183]

I told my friend once, "Dude. Remember to have fun." People who hear that are like, 'Duh?' Well, I think many people often forget that we're SUPPOSED to enjoy what we're doing. If you're enjoying yourself, then yo, thumbs up.

[@Laerei]

I'm not great at fighting games, I've been stuck in bronze in Street Fighter V for the past 4 years but I still have a lot of fun playing online. I play online practically exclusively because for some reason, I don't find playing against AI any fun. Just by knowing that I face a real opponent I have so much more fun in fighting games even if I lose most of the time. Maybe it has something to do with respecting my opponent for being smarter or better than me. Heck, if the game decides to match me up with someone way out of my league that I have no hope beating and get stomped hard, I don't quit, I want that rematch, I want to learn, I want to see if I can put a scratch on someone vastly better than me. And I have blast, lose or win.

[@LordRaxZenova]

Max, I love your steam and channel as well as all that you have done for the FGC. Seeing you play KI with such a positive attitude so many years ago is what inspired me to get back into fighting games again. I learned KI in hopes that one day I would get to have some matches against you using my favorite character, and you made my dream come true that day. I just wanted to give you my very best that day and try and give you the best matches possible. I have the utmost respect for you dude. Thank you for those 33 matches that night I will treasure them.

[@polrusstomakriss9001]

dude you fucking ruled, you became a badass bro 😌😌😌😌😌🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺Namaste

[@landoncore92]

What an absolute legend, man.

[@Yddor1]

Love how max shouts at Benny and keep talking so naturally it feel edited xD

[@Felipe_AC]

Thank you, Max. I've been suffering with this for such a long time. I don't know how to explain, but somewhere in time i started to hate multiplayer games, not only because of losing but also because of my weak mental state. For being depressed all the time like i am, it was really hard for me to even talk to people. Not being able to voice out my fustrations took the best out of me, i guess. I reallize how wrong i am and i am willing to change. Also, i subscribed to your channel today and i just wanted to say that you rock!

[@Spleenatron9]

When I started playing fgs back with sfiv, I had friends over one night to chill and one of them wanted to play me in a ft50. I thought it would be cool to do a super long set and it would be a good way to learn a lot in one offline sitting since we usually got cucked 10 matches in on netplay. I got fucking rinsed 50-0 and that was one of the best memories I have of that game, probably the first time I really felt like I was leveling up midset. That set completely charged the way I played, the way I practiced and is to this day the most important night of my fg career. It's honestly probably the only reason I still play fgs today despite hating everything that's played and the current FGC.

[@envystxx]

its like you’re speaking directly to me. i really hate taking losses. i know it’s supposed to make me better (providing you know why you lost), but there’s definitely factors that bring the salt out of me (lag, moves not coming out). i used to be so mad at this stuff that i used to send hate mail (crap move, i know). but ive gotten pass that and im learning that losses don’t have to be life of death situations, that there is something to learn.

[@sir_ugly_yurr]

Absolutely agree

[@scottypittman1]

I get hella salty when I lose, so hearing things like this was really needed.

[@andrewarren4157]

I used to be like that when I was kid but not anymore.

[@akumaking1]

Killer Instinct video? Kind of late for a Christmas treat for us dood.

[@MayhemMessiah]

In case you missed it, he picked KI as Fighting Game of the Decade last night.

[@RokushoTheRavager]

MayhemMessiah, I called that shit the moment he started that too. Like shoot as much praise as he gives KI and as much love that he has for it, I knew it would easily take the No 1 spot.

[@Thalanox]

Is that the recent Killer Instinct game? I don't think I've played any of the KI games.

[@RokushoTheRavager]

Thalanox, Recent as in the one that came in 2013, yes. Dude there’s only been like 3-4 Killer Instinct games. It’s not really a huge franchise, but this game put it on the map for a lot of people.

[@MayhemMessiah]

@@RokushoTheRavager Oh yeah. Like, you could tell he was thinking of what to do with KI vs UMVC3, but we all knew in his heart of hearts KI is just game. Like a once in a lifetime hype sort of thing. I'm just happy that Smash Ultimate and Soul Cal VI made it to the top 10!

[@claytonblackmore7832]

Lowtiergod darksydephil and wings of redemption could learn alot from this

[@nathanx2000.]

It’s ya boi Low Tier FUCKING META CHARACTERS!!!!!

[@mannyman7431]

Lol Fr i understand the fustration of losing but theres something you could have did differently to secure a win. People like Ltg rage quite and dont bother to learn the match up so its no wonder they keep losing . first they gotta learn to take the L like grown men and stop disrespecting their opponents and making excuses . and ps. Tier list dont mean nothing every character is viable with practice

[@raidengoodman8754]

Alright mawds ban Clayton Blackmore please reel tawlk

[@nathanx2000.]

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[@altreon3608]

What's goin' on KZbin? Back at you again with another video! This is Low... TIER... *FUCK!*

[@TheCallofdutyghost]

"The greatest teacher, failure is."

[@Valnoir_]

TheCallofdutyghost my homie yoda

[@l750z_6]

TheCallofdutyghost yeah bro

[@KalibreSteelblast]

Indeed, the best example- Disney learned they can't make a quality, consistent sequel trilogy worth shit. XD

[@Lucas-db2jq]

This is probably the single greatest piece of dialogue in that entire god forsaken trilogy.

[@jays.6843]

This is why I genuinely hate companies like Netherrealm. You don't need a W/L ratio. All that does is dissuade people from initially learning the game. In Tekken, you can get stomped 100 times, but it won't track the losses, just the wins. That's positive reinforcement. You can say "you shouldn't care, it's just a number", but that's ridiculous. That's like having the number of your deaths pop up in Dark Souls, and all your friends or anyone who invades you can see it. Let people lose. Don't punish people for losing. Make it feel good to win, but don't make it more annoying to lose. The learning curve is steep enough, stop showing people numerical proof that they aren't very good. It's just frustrating.

[@xTRANSAx]

The problem with me is when I win I win, then I rematch. When my opponent wins he leaves , that is what boils my piss !

[@Shiratto]

Some people are just trying to get that one win to quit on a good note. The absolute worst is getting beat over and over again but the second you get one win THEY leave.

[@killbotjames22]

My heart rate goes crazy when it’s close other than that I’m okay about it. I can usually tell when someone is persistent and never stopped playing. Win or lose your skill rises.

[@RaeBordz27]

I hate also when people say "you will learn if you play with someone that is 100x better than you at the game" that's like asking a lvl 1 character to beat the hardest boss in the game and not having strong weapons and stuft

[@cblake7462]

You're preaching to the choir Max, losing is pretty much all I do. I have my fun though, and I like to think I'm learning very, (very), slowly.

[@HYDESDM]

So long as you learned something from it, you never truly lost/failed. It is still, a success/win. That's what I believe in. And honestly, I am the same way with other players. Like in SC series, my biggest weakness is that I leave my legs unguarded a LOT, so players who've adapted to juggling with low sweeps dominate me. It aggravates me, yes, but I can accept their win because I learned a few of their tricks, while noticing how vulnerable I am and the weaknesses I need to overcome. And I still enjoyed the fights because they were good matches and a great learning experience. That's why I love fighting other human players in such types of fighting games: you didn't lose because they used a "broken" character or because "Ugh, they cheated and were using hax!" No, they won because they put the time, effort, and will to learn, play, and adapt with that character. So I always lost fair and square. Now when it comes to the AI...

[@707zacbuster]

0:52 good to hear Benny back to his normal self😌😌😀😀😊😊

[@simplethings9321]

RIGHT! I was super happy to hear him

[@rawrharhar]

Thanks for putting this out Max. Losing is super important to growth as a whole. I remember back in 2002 I was fresh out of high school, and I worked at our local arcade. One day, I asked him to stay after hours to play some MvC2.... and I played this one guy (who went on to placing top 4 in the multiple East Coast tournaments multiple times) for 119 matches straight. It was 2am when we were done. I hadn't won a single match against him, but I learned so much. Things like how Cammy (my lead) could Killer Bee super through Cable's HVB with full iFrames, or knew how to zone better with Blackheart because he was constantly up against Spiral. So the next day, I went and bodied just about everyone who was beating me literally the day prior. I never won more than I lost against that guy (I had about a 33% win ratio against him), but that night left a huge impression on me and how losing tells you more about yourself as a player than winning does. Love videos like this.

[@SuperDS6424]

Think I really need a video like this. Every time I go online I get frustrated past a few sessions after bumping into people who can style on me and 1&done. The other half of that is that its depressing that I keep hitting my head on my skill ceiling, that I'm not good at the thing I invest a lot of time into. Somehow I gotta figure out how to break those ceilings so I can enjoy multiplayer again.

[@osogitzgraymane72]

People do not understand htat Loss is the greatest teaching tool. This is a fundamental truth of life. Not just video games. It's sad to see so many people are not capable of understanding and coming to terms with it.

[@MacMak-hq3kl]

This is one of the main reasons I can’t stand playing Smash online. Almost everyone leaves after one match. Doesn’t matter if I win or lose, it doesn’t feel good to only play one match with someone, especially if I’m trying to improve and adapt. It’s very frustrating.

[@koyrion]

Ah yes I hated that. One of the reasons I stopped playing.

[@SirusDiarota]

Don't remember who said it, or where I heard it, but "You win, or you learn."

[@AirahsELL]

Or you do neither and just cry yourself to sleep and question every life decision you have ever made.

[@SirusDiarota]

@@AirahsELL Shhhhh! They don't know that. d=P

[@DmoneyTwenty]

MMA Coach John Kavanagh has a book called that!

[@spartanhawk7637]

Greatness is forged by the flames of adversity.

[@tiend15]

This is truly the relationship for Me and Dragon Ball FighterZ! I love the game. Specifically from a standpoint of being a Dragon Ball fan and a Fighting game fan just in general. I've learned the basic mechanics of the game and learned some combos here and there. In the end i can "defend" myself lol. But I lose sooo much! It hurts sometimes. I really have never been the one to get mad at losing at fighting games. But this game just gets me angry. When you are stuck in an endless loop of damage from your opponents and attempting to block all the hits, and you see an opening and push a button BUT WAIT, they got you because you pushed a button now the number in the corner is turning BLUE and in your head you are saying I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THIS, BUT HOW!? Then your dead.... And just left with a feeling of "I should be good at this...what am I doing wrong". It's like this weird mental tug of war, trying to persuade yourself not to get mad and take this loss as a lesson. But its hard especially for a game you are trying to love but continue to lose to people you know you could beat or having a chance to beat the opponent. That's why im actually enjoying Street Fighter V at the moment. Even tho a lot of people don't like the game I know. But even if im going against someone I know is well versed in Street Fighter, i have always felt like I have a CHANCE! I can probably beat this guy! Let me give it all ive got! Im more observant to the moves. Just over all more positive even if I lose, its really weird. Same goes for Tekken as well. I do apologize for the long comment. All that to say I WILL NOT GIVE UP in Dragon Ball FighterZ. Im not trying to become the best at the game, im just wanting to show these opponents that I'm not to be taken lightly and i can hold my own!

[@staticshock4239]

Most of the time, I'm ok with losing as long as I don't get absolutely demolished. Getting three stocked in Smash is the most demoralizing loss in my opinion.

[@HyahMaster]

Getting JV4ed is way worse.

[@zgart1950]

Agree 100% that's why if ik I'm going to lose in smash online i always make sure to at least take away one stock so it doesn't feel that bad

[@KaminariHouse]

Besides the legendary 4 Stock loss, of course.

[@briansilva3765]

It feels worse to lose in MvC without ever getting a hit in, just watching a 100 combo after another is really demoralizing

[@chrismdb5686]

Any 2D fighter where you can't break/tech out of combos feels awful when you lose badly Imo

[@sirgogetter]

This is such an important video! I did not have the luxury of playing fighting games in arcades and tournaments growing up, and even now, I have next to no experience playing fighting games with large groups. Therefore, I'm well-aware of what it feels like to take what I do know my my solo play sessions and realizing that it's nowhere near good enough against some players. Still, I'm okay with losing if it means I'm understanding new things as I go along and being able to adapt to certain strategies on the fly; I really only find the experience as negative when I'm not able to see WHY I'm losing a set against other players. I believe it was Fei Long that said "knowing why you lost is more important than winning," and that quote is oh-so-fitting when it comes to fighting games as a whole. How well we are able to process the fights as we are dealing with our own habits and mechanics is a large part of the journey. Admittedly, I'm still not as good as I would like to be at absorbing information on the fly, but there are few things more satisfying than when I'm actually successful at beating a tough opponent by adjusting over the course of a few fights or even rounds.

[@NonaryNathan999]

But what if constant losses destroy that love to learn? Seriously, I need to know. I lose a few games. Thats not a problem. Lose more, okay. Lose more, uh... am I doing something wrong? Keeps losing after several sessions in a row despite learning and practicing... Never being able to shave off even a bit of health because of all the tricks, all the tactics, all the mechanics that I am aware of but can never figure out to get through or play against it... Was I just never meant to play fighting games in the first place? I love them so much - but at the same time - I can never just get the hang of it... I keep hearing patience this, patience that. But how long is patient enough? How long until I stop and say that people are just taking advantage of my patience?

[@IXINineIXI]

I don't know how old you are, or where you are located, but there is probably an offline fighting game group somewhere nearby. Get in touch with them. I leveled up so much by hanging out with my local community. They'll be able to point out all the dumb shit you don't realize you are doing, you'll learn how to approach fixing those problems, and you will probably make a ton of friends too.

[@RokushoTheRavager]

NonaryNathan999, Bro I have the exact same issue. I have found I am actually pretty freaking good at shooters when using all of my tactics or abilities, because when I don’t I get wrecked but fighting games man, I swear they’re the bane of my existence. I like playing them to an extent but I like don’t even try to fight online anymore because I almost always get raped no matter how much I practice or try to sit down and get better, and that’s just plain demoralizing. So now honestly, if I’m not beating up CPUs, I just watch people like Max play and enjoy that because I know damn well I’ll never be that good and it’s not my calling card. I’ve personally just accepted that.

[@jays.6843]

@@RokushoTheRavager I'll give the best advice I can: most characters only have a few moves worth using. This character might only be able to combo off a sweep kick or uppercut. This character might have a teleport mixup that's integral to their gameplan. Once you can block those particular moves, games become significantly easier. Once you can respect what people are trying to abuse, then the initial training wall can crumble.

[@edrikhtg]

If i might to say, if your loss crushes your love for the game, it's okay just to step back and just watching from afar. Love of something can be expressed in a lot of ways, one of them is having a passion, whether it's a passive or an active action.

[@ssjxcloudstrife8652]

Best advice I can give is to try to find and play against people who are of equal skill level or lower than yours. Even better if the people you find that match this criteria, want to learn and improve as well. That way, you can win and learn at the same time.

[@Dekomata]

My main gripe with losing is when your opponent decides to rub it in and be an ass about it (tbagging, taunt spamming). But besides that, i usually just accept the loss if i realize i wasn't good enough or if it was a really close one where we both have an inch of health left.

[@Crase1986]

I can take losing a few times, but I admit I start getting pretty salty when I lose over and over. Like 5 or 6 losses in a row and I'm fuming. Time to take a break.

[@RaeBordz27]

The only thing i hate in fighting games when experienced players always take advantage of new players that doesnt have any experienced to the game and thats why sometimes new player quits from the game It should always be Experienced vs Experienced Non Experienced vs Non Experienced So everything is FAIR and both will LEARN

[@winniethepootietang6152]

LTG: You saying losing doesn't have to hurt? Mods, you know what to do. Get that ass banned.

[@23NinjaSniper]

My philosophy when when it comes to fighting games is A Learned Loss is better than an Empty Victory. I’d rather fight someone better than I and me losing more than fighting someone who isn’t that experienced and me winning. Even if you lose to someone better than you doesn’t mean you actually lose you can take that information that you learned and become better and help you get better the next you face a person or character. Now rage quitting means to me that you are not willing to learn and in your own head you believe that you are better and you’ll win every fight. Shine On Max glad someone brought up this topic.

[@Hosein8569]

I'm not kidding my most enjoyable matches were the ones that i lost to a good player in a clutch match

[@kruegerpoolthe13th]

You win some You lose some But you live… You live to fight another day

[@SubZXD]

I feel like people don't pick Training Stage because the game runs smoother, it's so you can play a match that doesn't have distractions in the background and no colours blend in.

[@Vexal50]

some games you actually do want to pick specific stages solely to avoid lag (BBCF is probably the most notable example I can think of in this regard. Ironically in that game's case, it's not training mode that's the best stage; it's Colosseum Silent)

[@Offroader210]

We all know losing sucks and victory can be accomplished. But when it comes to a 10+ game losing streak, now that feels discouraging. Two or three loses; not big deal. Four or five loses; that's a bummer. After 8 or 10 loses, it's like "Please, make it stop!", and then you start tilting.

[@HolyHadou]

Considering all the experience I have at losing, I'm still really bad at it. Thanks for this video.

[@zcubed8228]

This is the best advice to learn both for video games and life in general. If you can accept and learn from your mistakes instead of condemn and push them out of your mind you can go farther than you could ever imagine. It humbles you, it teaches you, it helps better yourself overall. Sometimes you just can’t win, regardless of how good you are you might just lose and that’s okay, you have to have the ability to press on regardless and give your absolute greatest. In the end you can look back and understand what you need to improve on.

[@mattman1684]

Giving my two cents on this subject, I find that the trait that tends to build character more effectively and deeply than any other is adversity and one's reaction to it. What I do not appreciate, however, is the pejorative connotation that losing has at a social and cultural level. Being pressured to always succeed in any facet or being mocked for failing in any facet is very hurtful to one's sense of self, especially when it keeps occuring. If someone knows that someone else is losing and it hurts them, they would say nothing instead of berating them for their shortcomings. The whole point is: don't smack talk people when they don't achieve the goal because, if that also happened to you, you damn well know what it is they are feeling.

[@Evergladez]

There's a difference in losing and feeling like you were "robbed". One of the biggest complaints with sfv early on were robbery v triggers that practically gave an advantage to the losing player. In doa majority of the time if I lose I have a clear vision on what went wrong(replay save also helps) but in tekken or soul cal smh.

[@roysrevengefgcofficial1508]

I was meant to see this video, just lost 2 matches back to back on ranked in sf5. Last match I just dropped my controller and left them have it i was so frustrated. I definitely needed to see this,gotna regional coming up next week. Thanks again max 🔥🔥🔥

[@mrfroboto1]

Good luck man. I hope you have fun!

[@ciregoku]

I needed this. This can be applied to almost anything not just losing to people on a videogame but harsh lessons in general. I just had a bad end to a day at work today that as of right now I don't know how it's going to effect tomorrow but no matter how bad something gets it's all a learning experience. It hurts like hell when it does happen and if you need to vent do it but after you do you need to learn to move on from it no matter how hard it seems Take a break and come back later

[@briotron4206]

nice little inspiration especially after trying to get used to a fightstick.

[@ARKHAM367]

I really want to get a fightstick someday.

[@briotron4206]

@@ARKHAM367 its a good investment if you wanna get better at fighting games and practice execution. but like max said, about 1% of people get better with them.

[@markwentsleightlymad]

Keep at it my man. Once you get used to it, you'll never go back. It might improve how you play, it might not but there's something cool about knowing you could walk into an arcade and play at your best right away.

[@infinitybelt]

This is something I've struggled with so much as I now actively try to get better at my favorite fighting games. It's like I don't mind losing to someone I acknowledge as better than me and who is respectful... The problem becomes when someone beats me who clearly exploited something, or the connection was bad, or I dropped a combo at the last minute. I'm left with this demoralizing feeling because I know I would have won had certain things not happened or they didnt exploit those "cheap" mechanics. However, that's the thing. I know that it ultimately is my fault for losing whether it be my lack of match-up knowledge, execution, or hitting yes on that yellow bar connection. Even though I know all these things... In the moment frustration will always take over and I go to a place I hate. This is what I have struggled with constantly, and I'm getting better by realizing that everyone loses. Everyone has been me losing, as Max said, 30+ times before you get one victory. The best thing I look at is am I improving? Did I block the mix-up this time? Was the hit-confirm into combo successfully executed?... And more often then not the answer to all those is yes. Anyways, this is a topic that hits close for me because it's something I've always hated about myself and have been steadily improving over the years. Sorry for the long comment and great video Max, shine on my dood!

[@PR1ME98]

Everyone has more losses than wins. EVERYONE even if their W/L record doesn’t show it

[@itzchdedx4986]

Nah definitely plenty of ppl who have more wins than losses.

[@RokushoTheRavager]

Chris Dedeaux, Chris please just shut up, you missed the entire damn point.

[@slash5235]

Not if they are modders can't stand them

[@jays.6843]

Games should never have a W/L, change my mind.

[@PR1ME98]

Jay S. Yes! either that or don’t show the ratio at all unless you purposely look at all of your stats

[@haydenrhardy1204]

I wish more opponents would teach, and more people would be open to the lesson. I had the same situation max had but with dbfz and the guy actually offered to teach me after a while and i think that should happen more often.

[@Soulferno]

Unfortunately, the sad reality is not everyone is cut out to spend time learning from their mistakes. Most can't handle so many consecutive losses without having it shake their faith in their own ability. What's even worse than that is learning what you can from your betters and still fail to improve in all the right areas. Its not just demoralizing at that point, its pointless. Not everyone can take that mental strain and those that try to instead of simply taking the loss and calling it end up worsening themselves for the sake of getting better against opponents who just won't falter. I should know because I'm the same way. I'll always be terrible at fighting games no matter how hard I try to learn and improve. I go back to them every now and then for some fun but when going back to a game leads to perpetual frustration that determination aline isn't enough to push through it all, then its just not worth it. Those are just the facts of life. Although no one will see this, if you are one of those fighting game enthusiasts who suffers from constant losses and much frustration, my advice would be to simply stop. If you wanna learn and improve through loss then that's fine as that's natural but its not worth your sanity or your happiness. If you feel the that no difference is happening and its just anger and salt then don't be afraid to throw in the towel. I know everyone says the lesson to take from loss is to grow and learn but the more important lesson imo is to know your limits. Without that you will just end up wasting your time, as depressing and negative as that is to say

[@xmarv3lousx902]

Man Awesome video Max we need to hear things like that

[@adamnaz6731]

Just straight up shows how authentic Max is *B E E N Y !*

[@simplethings9321]

its too pure

[@aegismalkav8057]

Talking about turning something cringe.

[@nayhem]

There was a lot of commotion at the arcade one day. Seemed a top-rank player came to visit, and the regulars had gathered around. I don't even remember which particular game it was, but I had finally worked up the courage to see where I stood in all of this. My quarter goes in, the match begins, and all I can do is watch as I am quickly dispatched with little input. In a grave breach of decorum, I hold my place, stick in a second quarter, and find myself defeated again just as quickly. I did not expect to win, but I knew the system, I was familiar with the character. I was not at all prepared for the reality that I would struggle to land a single hit, while my opponent had a thorough answer for just about every decision I made. Of all present, I alone failed to present even a minor challenge. No exchange of words, no pity, no degrading insult, no lesson to learn-I may as well have never shown up. That's the day I gave up on fighting games. I doubt anyone else remembers anything like this happening, but it haunts me *every fucking time* I watch a fighting game video. Someday I may forgive myself for wanting more out of that hopeless situation. For those of you able to hold your own, all I really wanted was to feel welcome, and a defeat I could learn from. Max, thanks for this reminder that even the most dedicated players still struggle.

[@thejetparadox]

I've lost a lot in fighting games to the point where it's a common thing in my life.

[@heyblasty8614]

A loss can either lead to failure OR it can be an experience that little by little chips into victory. And I can totally relate to Max because even tho I don’t do PvP as a No Hit runner my losses way out weights my victory and the way I keep moving on is noticing those little improvements i make on my losses and I just bank on those getting better and better until all of those amount to a victory, sort of like the constant water drop on cement analogy.

[@fireXdisaster]

In my online experience, my thought is: Losing is part of a challenge, you can win, lose.....and sometimes, tie, and that's okay. But, IMO (from my experience), losing only can hurt, when you're in the competitive/ranked scene and you were so close or the disrespect is real, also, it depends how your attitude is. I mean, i get really competitive when.... well, playing in competitive (duh...), to the point i can get really upset if i get too close to win or my team is filled with a bunch of people who seemingly don't know what to do. That's why i usually go to the casual scene, no pressure, play to win but if you lose, then that's okay, there's nothing to lose.... except the match P.S.: Losing a match can hurt, but that's not a reason to trash-talk, insult, and/or rant stupid stuff. Please, don't be assholes

[@TypetwoAbsolute]

Play Super Turbo online all day and you will become numb to losing. You can lose a lifetime of matches in one day. I'm dead inside.

[@LemoNanora]

Congrats KI 2013 for being Max's fighting game of the decade *Beanie* *Beanie..come on!!*

[@Bantoshima]

Thx Max, ppl need to know! Most people don't feel comfortable putting themselves in positions where they can fail. But if you want to be good at something you love, then you have to fail.

[@Amesang]

Lately I find that if I lose (and sometimes when I win), the majority fault is bad inputs, whether due to my own actions or what-have-you. _"Why'd I get this move? No, I wanted _*_that_*_ move! Gah!"_

[@breakrdude181]

He's speaking the truth. I used to not play smash alot but I wanted to play as Simon Belmont so I wanted to learn...and I HATED losing so much because we all go in wanting to play like we are pro. Once I started excepting that I may lose but to have fun, it made my experience 1000 times more enjoyable.

[@itraynell]

When learning Tekken 7, one of my friends who played since tekken 4 would come to my house and absolutely destroy me the entire time. There was even a time when we spent a total of 6 hours straight playing Tekken 7 and I didn't win a single match. He spent the night so after going to sleep and waking up, we played another 4 hours which out of that whole time, I only won 2 matches and that was while he was in the middle of eating. I remember how frustrated I got with my lack of skill and how I would scream into my bed whenever I lost a close match. But because of those losses, I gained a lot of experience and I learned a lot about the mechanics of the game. I don't think anyone can say losing is enjoyable, but instead can say that it is learning and gaining experience in the game that is enjoyable which is done through losing. Win or lose, a good match is enjoyable but actually seeing the you lose screen is something that people are usually happy about. Yes you can say that you use your loses as motivation for getting better and that itself is enjoyable but that's usually because you don't enjoy losing, you enjoy progressing.

[@pvdogg2510]

Hey Max, thank you for the insight! I remember getting a bit bored when watching the first Guilty Gear Classic video you guys did a week(s) ago. I guess when doing a classic game you rarely play, I wanted to see as much as possible. I do appreciate how the guys kept switching stages and even character colors! That helped showcase the game a bit more. Playing to get better at a game you want to get good at does take time. Like a lesson I learned from one of your videos, losing and keeping on going is the best way to get better as long as you're taking mental notes and willing to learn from your mistakes. Hell, I think the only time it's O.K. just to leave after a first match is when the lag is so bad, you can't even fight fairly or do anything. You had determination and passion to keep going in order to learn and no one can fault you for that.

[@rizqiefajar]

Yeah, I'd rather watch entertaining fighting game streamers like Max than pros like daigo who rarely talks and only play SFV in the training stage

[@joshuacruz4244]

Much respect max for being open and honest about the whole situation. Losing is a tough pill to swallow, especially if you are a proud and competitive person. Losing stings real bad because it leaves a bitter taste of defeat in your mouth. It is much easier said than done. BUT by accepting that's its just a video game and being rational about the whole thing can help out.

[@Jebbtube]

When play becomes work.

[@Ka_Five]

I wanted to come back to this video, but this one really changed how I approach fighting games, and how much more fun I have with them now adays. I ALWAYS rematch when I lose, and keep doing for as long as the opponent will have me, even if I only win a couple. It helps me get so much better with my fighter

[@lambda494]

Oh god for a sec I thought this was Benny-related, thank Eyedol it's not.

[@graysonred470]

Eyedol?

[@kingofpain11111]

I did to! Funnily enough, Benny started barking within the first few minutes.

[@rayminishi689]

If that was the case, Benny would've been on the thumbnail

[@lambda494]

@@graysonred470 The last boss of KI in the 1990s. I'm old.

[@Eliotxf1]

4:55 This has been my entire experience in SamSho 2019, hence my 20% winrate but I've allowed myself to have fun losing in fighting games whereas before I'd rage quit after 3 or 4 losses.

[@lckaboom6810]

In MK11 I’m scared of losing because there’s like a 60% chance of being teabagged.

[@SemperSalam]

MK11 is just horribly toxic.

[@DataDrain02]

@@SemperSalam Soul Calibur VI also has this problem. It's one reason I REALLY hate losing in that game....

[@MEJBelloz]

MK11 players are the worse... and I play the game mainly (played many FGs over the years), yet hate 90% of my opponents

[@jahaininagaki385]

@@MEJBelloz (COUGH) Liu Kang Players...

[@faheemjerseyxs4222]

I also play with people on practice stages, it gives me that more space feeling to combo without any distractions from the background (even though there's some dope stages)

[@roxlyn1665]

If only people rematched atleast once in Ultimate... I'd love to adapt, but online in that game is frustrating

[@Just_RJ]

That and the netcode sucks to the point where it's not worth it because of the lag. I've pretty much accepted that I won't progress much further in that game because of that frustration. I try to do best of 3 but people are gone before you know it.

[@roxlyn1665]

Yeeeup, thats bad too. And thats my same etiquette, but 9 times out of 10, they take the win/loss and leave

[@Darxide23]

Thing thing that I've seen that Max can do better than almost anyone else I've ever seen is to learn characters within a given game. He has a deep understanding of how fighting games work and the in depth mechanics and nuances of each individual game and he can pick up a character he's never used before and just rock it on some level. And when he comes up against someone more skilled than him, he can take a few beatings, but each round he tries something different. Makes tweaks and adjustments. Not just guessing, but he knows how to adjust given the game's mechanics. It might take him several rematches, but you'll always see him end up dominating if the opponent rematches long enough. Me on the other hand, I'm just randomly flailing if my regular strats don't work. I don't know fighting game mechanics strongly enough to be able to change tactics because I don't know any tactics other than the one set that I've been doing since the start. If I lose, I don't know why so if I do change anything, it ends up being even worse than before.

[@khenkhin5206]

BENNY! lol

[@AbyssalPlague]

"Don't fear failure. Not failure, but low aim, is the crime. In great attempts, it is glorious even to fail." *~Bruce Lee*

[@johnnywalker7961]

Who remember tao feng fist of the lotus ?. I wish that games was back .

[@skullrabbit721]

I remember only playing a demo of that game all the time when I was younger. I believe it was available as a demo on the original xbox on the first Halo's main menu. I was terrible at it but it was amazing

[@raptorman8969]

I do remember it put the creator john tabis i think he's the dude that made mk will ik maybe a reson why he didn't want to make it because Daniel pensina original johnny cage said that he's more of a creator and really dislikes makeing sequels ya he made mk 2 put he only did it because some reasons idky put i think thats why he didn't make a sequel

[@johnnywalker7961]

Who got idea of new characters for tao feng 2 games ?

[@johnnywalker7961]

Character I was thinking fire & ice twin aura character .

[@Bradley22449]

The people that blame everything but themselves need your wisdom. It's fine to get frustrated as long as you can be honest with yourself admitting that it's you that you're mad at and if there is anything I've learned over the years it is that in re-watching even my best of games, there were always other and better ways. Humility is the most valuable thing to your enjoyment.

[@angeluchiha9]

BENNY SAURUS IS BACK XD jajajaajaja

[@Fluckinoob]

The big thing for me with you max is how genuine and humble you are. Glad you do more than one genre but love just about anything you do. Funny as hell and really good at games and knowledgeable. Just really enjoy the content win or lose

[@Nerwrax15]

Lowtiergod should react to this video rofl.

[@illsian]

For me, I always try to always learn one thing from each match. Any time I get blown up by a setup or a move I don't know how to deal with, I recreate it in teaining and find an answer. Also, place value on your continued progress rather than where you are at any given moment. No matter how good you get, you're still going to lose.

[@theblackgeno1848]

I have a threshold if I spend days upon days practicing and I then go and play online and i lose most of my matches i will quite the game because for me fun can only carry me so far

[@swift_sam]

Yo, that editing, timing your third win (ending in an Ultra combo) right as you made your point? I knew it was coming and it was still so satisfying.

[@raidengoodman8754]

I can safely say im a sore loser

[@greedkingcobalt200]

The joys of "one shall fall". You either get better and learn or you struggle. Every loss is a learning experience.

[@dragonic22]

Unless it’s from lag. Hate lag, that bastard

[@basicsyphilis8]

Max: Ok last fight no matter what. 2 wins 30 losses. Max: wins 3rd match. Walks away a new man

[@bradypahl]

I had a moment similar to this the other day. I was playing MK11 against one of my online friends who plays it *A LOT* and me as someone how barely plays them it hurt to lose over and over to him but that feeling of each time playing seeing that health bar go lower & lower then finally getting a win against him felt so damn good.

[@MrGonz801]

Good talk, I'm currently teaching my nephew (he's 7) to play fighting games, currently he's got a knack for ArcSys games (mostly BBTag and Guilty Gear on his Switch) which low key breaks my heart as I'm a Capcom guy myself, but anyway, one of the main lessons I've taught him after consistently handing him Ls is that Characters are only strong if you learn how to use them. And now he's taken that on board and mains Chip Zanuff and Ragna

[@arrowknee7356]

The only time when loosing really hurts, is when you have been loosing and you are about to win and then the connection goes really bad, it feels like your chance to show your improvement has been taken and even winning when that happens feels hollow as was it you or the connection.