Real World Experiments. Methanol/ Waste oil - Is It Safe ? - Chinese Diesel Heater. PT-3

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Actual description:
In this video I do some experiments with different fuels and pull the burn chambre out to examine the results. What you will see is kinda shocking. SO MUCH CARBON !!!

[@Den-ml7zg]

I have one of these in my two car garage, zero issues to date. I run straight diesel.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have had really good luck with diesel as well. Great little heaters when burning the proper fuel.

[@dannynova3412]

ok. You did it! You gave the correct intro to not be just bashing CDH but rather explain what you are doing. Good man.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... thanks ? Who or what is CDH ? PS. I had intended to do the same(ish) intro for all of the videos in this series.... part 2 was rushed out on xmas and I had literally uploaded it 4-5 times....I had been rushing and adding stuff to the video, deciding that I wanted to add something else and had 6 different versions of the same part two video. I was rushing out the door for xmas dinner when I uploaded it the last time, and didn't realize till days later that I had uploaded the WRONG version of the video... There were lots of cuss words.

[@dannynova3412]

@@loweredexpectations4927 CDH Chinese Diesel Heater!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@dannynova3412 I figured that out... after, haha.

[@DronesForGodsGlory]

So now I'm officially binge watching this series bro👍mine is in my van and I pray I have none of the problems you are having...I will try to stick to manufactures recomendations to be sure...thanks for going through all this to teach us👍you rock bud....God bless ya now...

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... If it makes you feel any better... I have not had any issues while running it on diesel and I have run it for many hours... The diesel actually cleans up a lot of the stuff from my other tests. Thanks so much for the kind comment. Take care !

[@DronesForGodsGlory]

@@loweredexpectations4927 it does make me feel a lot better...lol🙂...thanks again 👍

[@themowerman]

Good to see it working right now..

[@JoelArseneaultYouTube]

It works well on diesel... still experimenting to try to get it to work well on waste oil.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

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[@seanie.k9865]

I can see a couple of problems with your setup that would most likely be the cause of the issues you are having. Firstly the exhaust muffler is mounted upside down. There is a small hole in the seam of the muffler that should be pointing down to allow condensation to drain during operation. Secondly the more serious is that the exhaust should always be lower than the combination chamber with minimal bends. I would suggest that you mount the heater closer to the ground for better heat efficiency and have the exhaust venting below the heater and facing downward to allow condensation and some carbon to escape. Also when burning waste oil you need to avoid lower heat settings. Only use heat settings above three and you shouldn’t have too many issues. I only ever use waste oil and have never had issues like this. But a very entertaining set of videos nonetheless!

[@Flyinghook]

The orientation of the exhaust and muffler have nothing to do with coking, what's probably his biggest issue is his controller isn't adjustable. He has ordered a new one, but try ordering anything this time of year and expect it to arrive in under 2 weeks and let me know how that goes for you.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the input. Others have made similar suggestions. Interested to know more details of your waste oil burning experience. What is your elevation, have you made changes to your fuel ratio, what is your waste oil supply from and what sort of filtration do you do? I'm not so sure that the exhaust routing is part of my problem, as I have seen videos of people literally running 30 feet of 3/4 inch copper pipe ... I don't even understand how that runs at all, lol... but then again, maybe it doesn't work long term... Cheers !

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Flyinghook Yeah... trying to order anything in the past few years has gotten more and more difficult.

[@Flyinghook]

@@loweredexpectations4927 I'm really interested in how all this works out because I need a space heater and was considering one of these, but only if I can make it work with waste oil. I'm not sure where this is going to end up for you, but I suspect like others have suggested, and one of your experiments suggested, alternating oil and diesel, along with adjusting the air/fuel ratio will be the combination that will make this work.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Flyinghook I am still testing.... The closest thing that I have gotten to success was starting on diesel for about 20 minutes and then switching to a 1/3 diesel 2/3 waste oil mix. I have to do more testing, but the stuff that it left behind was way easier to clean out than any of my other tests. (the video of this test has not been released yet)

[@paulfloor5320]

It looks to me like your exhaust is longer with more bends than the unit is designed to run with. As a mechanic, you know that longer exhaust with more bends (and tight bends like you have) causes restrictions and less flow and that in turn will cause a combustion device like this to run rich. I think it would run leaner and be much better if you ran the exhaust down through a nice sweeping bend and straight out the wall so that you are comparing to what others are also doing. You are the only one I have seen with that long, tight bent exhaust and the only one having that much trouble with carbon buildup in such a short time.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hey, thanks for the comment. Yes, this is true that the a bent exhaust will cause some restriction, however, I am fairly certain that this is not an issue from what I have seen others do. There are videos of people on youtube running these heaters with 30 feet of exhaust, one guy using 3/4 copper pipe and he has probably 12 3/4 inch 90º elbows in the system .... I'm amazed that the thing runs at all , but the fact that it does indicates that my exhaust isn't really the issue. I actually did some porting on my inlet and exhaust the other day to try to get it to run better, and took most of the bends out of the pipe, and it doesn't seem to be helping. I still need to do more testing tho. My carbon is almost certainly due to two factors. One being the quality of my oil and two being that I am at 4000 ft elevation and need a lot more air flow. I have ordered a controller to hopefully adjust this. Cheers.

[@NordicDan]

I'm honestly surprised that these don't have some sort of optical sensor in the back of the combustion chamber. I have a very old (I'm guessing pre-1980) Homelite diesel/kerosene torpedo heater (or slug heater as I've heard em called). Just behind the combustion chamber is a photoresistor that trips a slow-acting breaker after a couple seconds of running without flame, which would then shut off the unit and immediately stop the siphon action (yes it uses a siphon instead of a fuel pump. Ingeniously simple and effective design). Made it a royal PAIN to get it to stay running before I restored and properly tuned it, but once I did it's worked flawlessly in the years since. A photoresistor (or some sort of flame detection) would be an easy way for these units to prevent puking fuel out of the combustion chambers in the event of a flameout. Such a simple design addition yet they didn't do it 🙄

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Very interesting. Different ways to skin a cat, as they say. These things are much more cramped for space. There's not much / any room on the burner end, as the fan and air inlet live in that area of the chamber. You could put one on the exchanger, but that is in direct fire of the heat (hot enough to melt copper) and if you get any sooting then it would be covered. My guess is that they need a thermocouple / thermistor for monitoring temp anyway (for emergency shutdown, fuel cut and so on) , so they choose to use this for other things as well. I have seen those heaters and it is shocking to me that they can operate with the siphon system. I would have thought you need much more flow.

[@josephbrabenderiii2049]

To say that it had been running rich is a massive understatement. Exhaust glowing red...fuel in exhaust burning outside chamber. Smoke outside..unburnt fuel. Massive carbon deposits unburnt fuel.

[@JoelArseneaultYouTube]

Yeah... that's pretty accurate, but it's not necessarily as clean cut as that. Running the heater really lean also causes the same problem. At a certain point, there isn't enough heat in the chamber to vaporize all of the fuel so it just smoke sand leaves deposits, even tho it is too lean. I have tested it in alpine mode and that seems to be what happens. The main issue that I think I'm having is that I don't' have air fuel ratio control over my heater, the control lacks those functions. I have ordered a new controller that will hopefully allow me to run the fan at full speed and then dial in the fuel flow 👍

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Oops ... if you hadn't figured it out, I am "Joel Arseneault" ... my other account.

[@joandodds7626]

I’ve been watching your videos on this “ miracle heater” now I’m part 3 looking forward to pt 4‼️ Thank you for saving me a whole bunch of time and grief, as I had the same plan. To bad they can’t burn politicians and their promises, bet you would get a bunch of btu’s ! Lol

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... I love that... "To bad they can’t burn politicians and their promises" haha. I am still testing, and at some point I may find something that works, but so far, nothing satisfactory. I have ordered a controller so that hopefully I can play with air fuel ratio... that could help. I'm glad I saved at least one person from this headache.

[@richardcooney7789]

Clean the burner with an ultra-sonic Cleaner . This is one of the jobs of an engineer at a large furnace that burns oil for heat .

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I currently don't have an ultrasonic cleaner... but I may be partnering with a company, in the near future who sells ultrasonic cleaners... so ... Maybe 🤷‍♂

[@shafimohammad8282]

Sir thank you very much! I was wondering to do all these experiences that u ded thanks i learned. I don't need to do some of them cause u cleared everything

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Excellent ! I'm glad I saved you from some of the hassle.

[@stumpyssmallengines]

thank you i never miss your videos my heater runs diesel and in 18 months has never faltered am going to try other fuels after you have finished lol

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... yes, they work great on diesel !! Hopefully I can find something that works well ! Cheers.

[@covishen]

I was seriously considering getting one of these. Living in Northwest Minnesota, I am always on the lookout to lower my propane bill, I am not getting one of these. Thank you for this video, even if I did find it a few months after it was posted.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

They are a great product IF you use diesel or kerosene... but I suspect that that would cost you more than propane. They have their niche use ... but they are not great for everything, and they are not food for burning waste engine oil.

[@Ironmanalan44]

The simple answer is, it’s not a waste oil heater. It’s a diesel heater. Waste oil heaters pre heat the oil and add compressed heated air to atomize the the fuel for a clean burn.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hey, thanks for the comment. This is true. It's not a waste oil heater and real waste oil heaters are several thousands of dollars for small ones. It begs the question, why would people make videos saying will burn anything for years with no issues. Seems like a pretty evil thing to do. Making a video falsely claiming that you've burnt engine oil, trans oil, vegetable oil, then show people oil that you've been burning that has water in it... Go into detail about how you've had it for 3 years, this is the first time that you're cleaning it and it still looks like new, other than a little bit of carbon.

[@thesurvivalist.]

Waste oil needs to be burned at least 600 degrees F, at 400 degrees F it turns it to a type of plastic! This heater can not reach that temperature! The exhaust should go straight down, to lesson that heat build up at turns. I use a 30 foot exhaust, allowing most of that heat to be released inside of my house, instead of outdoors!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. I think you are confused about burn temperatures and this heater.... The body temperature of this heater is limited to 230C as a safety, but the burn chamber temperature is around 900C (1650F). A fairly low burn temperature would be 600C (1112F). As long as the exhaust exits, I'm not terribly concerned about the exhaust pipe getting hot. That is very interesting, 30 feet of pipe is a lot of restriction. I am surprised that it runs at all. Good to know. Or do you have a larger diameter pipe ?

[@nikitamckeever5403]

Glad I watched your video , think I’ll stick to automotive diesel . Running about 17p per hour so not worth the hassle of even trying use waste oil 👍

[@twizz5727]

I'd say using (supplemental fuel) should be looked at more for emergency situations . And in the event that you have no power from your homes plug I'd bet you'll burn your own check book to stay warm. Just a thought. Its good that this channel has built more awareness for the people. Also Something that should be mentioned Is if you are not mechanically inclined, then stick to how things are designed to operate. Most of us are not as smart as the engineers that spend years testing and playing around. (Not that you should totally believe all "they" say. 😊

[@nikitamckeever5403]

@@twizz5727 looked into cheaper alternatives and the cost of driving to collect red diesel or kerosene makes it unviable . Same with purifying waste oil , the cost takes it close to just buying diesel . I have a log burner and access to lots of fallen trees to harvest right on my doorstep . I’m a natural survivor , very industrious and capable of providing shelter , food , warmth , clean water , security , basic medical etc . If the world goes to shit completely tomorrow , I’m ready .

[@loweredexpectations4927]

If you can afford it then I would suggest using diesel... off road diesel is the same stuff with die in it, so you can use that too if it is available to you. If I ever find a solution that I think works well, and is reasonable for most people to try, then I will make a video about it... but as of now, it's not worth the possible headache, haha.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@twizz5727 That's not a bad idea.... If I do enough testing, perhaps I will be able to recommend something that would work as a supplemental fuel... as of now it's a lot of hassle. Absolutely... There's a LOT more thought that goes into devices than we often give credit for... How do you say.... If something is working 1% efficient, it's pretty reasonable to think you can make it better, but if something is working 80%, there's a good chance that you're going to make it worse by trying to make it better, haha.

[@nikitamckeever5403]

@@loweredexpectations4927 yes I’ve seen the results you’ve shown . I don’t fancy the glowing exhaust scenario as my diesel heater sits just under my bed in my caravan 😳 . Good videos and content . Shows it like it is 👍

[@APatchworkCanvas]

I know some people run them on motor oil by having a second tank with a valve that way they can get it up to temp with red diesel before switching to the oil. They switch it back to diesel before shut down

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment. I have been experimenting with this, altho I'm not sure when that video may come out.

[@kempaswe4022]

If you burn waste oil in a small burner, you have to filter the oil and let it sit for a week so all particles goes to the bottom

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment ! I have been filtering it and letting it sit for a few days, but I think I need better filtration. My oil comes from air cooled engines (lawnmowers) and is particularly nasty. Cheers.

[@danwhitman2370]

Also kinda tightly packed- no airflow around the unit- overheating issues likely

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Did you leave another comment... (starts with "also"). The heater previously ran perfectly fine "installed" in this very same with, with the same air flow, exhaust, inlet etc... The only variable was the fuel.

[@Grey-Troll]

I see someone has mentioned exhaust length already, so I won't be redundant. I've been running mine at 2625ft (800m) above sea level in altitude compensation mode for several weeks straight without issue. The unit I have just DUMPS heat into the unfinished basement I have it in. My exhaust pipe is simply stuck up in a wood stove, and I do have a Carbon Monoxide detector to keep the 'wake up dead' effect down a bit.... but so far it has to be burning super clean as it puts out just as much heat as it did a little over a month ago when I got it. I like your mods though, so please keep experimenting and sharing! I think you should (if you haven't already) look into an aftermarket controller. I've seen one that has wifi connectivity and has a web configuration interface that allows you to tweak the pump speed/fan speed ratio to your liking.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the detailed comment. Yeah, I think there are 30 videos in this series, so I have had a LOT of advice / suggestions and comments from people. Diesel is pretty happy running lean, so even if you run it on "alpine mode" (with less fuel) they will generally just make less heat. The only way you should have sooting is if you are running in "normal" mode when you are at high elevation. I am at 3500 (ish) feet and have run mine in normal mode... no issues if it's on clean diesel. If you have a decent draft, this shouldn't be an issue... but, yes, you don't want to wake up dead, so a CO screamer is a good idea. If you are awake, the symptoms will alert you that something isn't ok... but lots of people die in their sleep. Friends of my family, a father and son died in their home made RV trailer. I now have a bluetooth controller (and a few different heaters) and a company called Bureck has just mailed me out a controller to test. Seems interesting. Cheers !

[@Grey-Troll]

@@loweredexpectations4927 KZbin deleted my comment with the link, but if you google 'mrjones afterburner' it should be pretty easy to find the one I saw. It has an insane list of features and even a demo of the control interface on his website. It does go for about the price I paid for the heater or a little more after shipping to NA, but the features really make it seem worth it.

[@oojimmyflip]

you could extend your control panel and mount it next to your floor heating thermostat, I extended mine by 5 meters and its the same lcd screen. nThis will help with temperasture readings as the lcd screen has a thermostat of its own which is affected by the place it is mounted above the heater nozzel. Have you explored the special settings menu yet by unlocking the screen with the number 1688 or 6006 maybe the special settings need adjusting air flow and fuel ratio to prevent the carbon from building up.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the advice / comment. I may extend my wire when I find a permanent location for the heater. My controller does not seem to to have the special settings menu. I have ordered another controller and I'm hoping that this will allow me to control the air fuel ratio. Cheers !

[@RimjobHimself]

@@loweredexpectations4927 i heard you need also new motherboard if you change the controller. Let us all knownif you do

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@RimjobHimself Yes, I just said "controller" to keep it short. I ordered a controller, then thought about it and realized that the controller is likely just like a keyboard for your computer... changing the keyboard changes nothing on the computer. I have now ordered a ECU and matching controller. When I get the controller I will verify that (likely) it doesn't work.

[@johnconrad5487]

is it burning too rich with not enough air? I asked this question when I saw your first cleanout. well I think I was right. You needed to use a much leaner mixture of air/fuel.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have ordered a controller that will hopefully allow me to control air fuel ratio. My current one does not have the admin menu. Cheers.

[@dylanthomas6522]

Burn a litre of your fuel of the same batch on a can covered with fine screen. The residue left is the exact amount of residue you expect inside your heater when you burn a litre of it and when you open it, you have a point of comparison....

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Is this actually an accurate test though ? I have a stove in my garage and was going to do this, but after a little consideration, I thought that both the level of oxygenation and temperature of the burn would dictate what compounds and how much stuff is left behind. I assume burning in a can / burning extremely rich, would cause a huge amount of carbon and give incorrect results. I am aware there is a method for lab testing oil where you burn them off and test for ash content... but I don't know exactly how it's done.

[@clydedigital]

Jesus. You made diamonds in the burn chamber.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

See... and now you know what my plan was, haha.

[@davej652]

I've been using one of these heaters for 5 years problem free running diesel. This year when diesel was over $5.50 a gallon I started mixing filtered used motor oil. I've had 0 problems running a mix and the air temp is about 20 degrees hotter. I'm at about 70% diesel 30% used oil. I think the problems arise from 2 things too much oil and not running it at full speed for a bit before shutdown. Just my 2 cents anyway I just came across your channel and it seems like it's worth checking out more videos.

[@mozer30]

I am thinking of doing the same. Did you change fan/pump speed to lean it out at all?

[@davej652]

@@mozer30 Nope but mine always runs at full speed, my shop never gets warm enough for the heater to throttle down. Also I think running that percentage with diesel keeps it running as if it were just diesel. He's mixing gasoline and higher percentage of used oil which I think causes the carbon build up. Mine has never been apart because I've had no reason to yet.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment. Good info.

[@johnwyman6126]

Although there are no mixture jets on these such as you have on jet skis, or other carbuerated internal combustion engines, there is a way to adjust the fuel/air mixture which I'm sure you know needs to be done any time you change fuels. Of course, they don't tell you about it in the user manual, but you can find out about it from others on KZbin showing how to do it. You have to get into the user settings on the controller, type in the secret code, then you have access to the fan speeds and fuel fuel pump hertz, which can then be adjusted. This MUST be done if you expect to be able to run it on waste oil or vegetable oil.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

The controller that I was using at this point, and for most of my future videos, did not have the option to change the pump hz separate from the fan. Many controllers do have this option, but this one didn't. The way you can tell is that the digits on my controller are blue / green ( blue controller, blue digits = no go) The one with the red digits does have this ability. Altho this would be ideal, oils actually have a MUCH wider acceptable AFR than gasoline, so this not entirely accurate. Diesel for example can run all the way from 14 to 75:1 or something like that... while gasoline just won't burn at all when it is that lean. Oils tend to have a much wider acceptable afr range.

[@horvad]

I found you because of the jing jong diesel heater hype. Pretty cool you dont just stand in the line by saying woow they work amazing(just diesel). Cool to see all the tests and what it does. And imma fan of the after burner 🤣 not that its recommended. Keep up the testing, a lot of work but its cool to watch. Greets 🤘

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... It's funny because someone in Australia makes a fancy controller for these called the afterburner. I have been getting lots of advice and trying lots of experiments ... we will see if I find anything that actually works, is easy and cost effective. Thanks for the comment !!

[@northernliving2750]

Looks good, I have had one for 3 years now just burning diesel and have had very little issues until this year, been fighting the flame out issue after having the combustion air fan fault. I have been looking at a used oil. Very insightful and I'm bit further up north by grande Prarie.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Right on. If you have the room for it, a waste oil furnace is a much better answer... Even a home made one. The flame out after combustion air fault.... Hmmm. I don't know how smart your heater is, but on mine, the only way it would know anything about combustion air is if the motor was dieing or had a bad connection. There's no air flow sensor or anything else that would indicate to the ecu anything about combustion air. Perhaps if the air inlet is plugged the ecu would see a high current draw to the motor, so check to see if the inlet is plugged. Also, if ti is not set with the exhaust pointing down, and it has flooded, fuel could be building up and causing drag on the combustion air fan... That's about all I can think of. They are really easy to work on, and if it's already broken, then you have nothing to lose. Good luck. Let me know if I can help in any way. Cheers.

[@northernliving2750]

@Lowered Expectations what I found so far is the fan moved in to far and was rubbing the aluminum housing. So now I'm wondering if I have to much gap in it

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@northernliving2750 I see... If it rubs then it could cause it to trigger an error due to the extra amp draw on the motor. Too much gap may cause an air flow issue, but the ECU has no way to know about this.(on my unit) I suspect too much gap isn't good for air flow.

[@northernliving2750]

@@loweredexpectations4927 on mine it has 2 magnets and a hall effect switch to monitor the speed so I'm thinking it didn't see the desired speed

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@northernliving2750 Yes, mine has that as well. So then the question is "why wasn't the fan turning the desired speed". Air restriction in either of the inlets, mechanical drag, flakie connection, or an issue with the motor are the most likely.

[@ei513563854]

Might try soaking burn chamber and parts in mineral spirits. Will loosen up all the baked on carbon deposits. An alternative is easy off oven cleaner.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks. I should have a spare chamber so that I can allow one to sit and clean while the other is in use. Typically, when I have it apart, I don't have time to let it soak.

[@jaybee258jb]

I fitted a 3m length of exhaust pipe to mine, and the heater only ran at half power for 2.5 hours on diesel before it Carboned up like yours. I plan to adjust the fuel air mix so that the exhaust does not smell or smoke. A CO meter on the exhaust could also help with this. Btw, interesting video helping us all to learn. Thank you

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment ! I just talked to someone telling them this could 100% happen using diesel at the wrong AFR ... A CO meter would be a good idea when adjusting AFR... it will give you a better idea of what is happening. Just posted part 10 yesterday, haha. The testing continues !

[@michaelyork2122]

I enjoyed It Very informative Thank you

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hey, Sorry I missed your comment! Thanks !

[@foamyflightmaster9385]

Nice, but have you thought to clean the exhaust port and pipe as they will also be restricted by carbon and are most likely part of your problem.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

The video won't be out for a while, but I did some porting on the heater last night, and have done some mods to the burn chamber. However, I think the biggest part of my problem is that my controller lacks the ability to change my air fuel ratio, so I have ordered a controller that will hopefully allow me to do so.

[@mozer30]

@@loweredexpectations4927 the controller might not be the solution, you may also need to change the motherboard, as sometimes it’s hit and miss if they’re compatible. Even with the same connectors, number of wires it’s a bit of a mine field

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@mozer30 Yeah, have been told this by a few people. We will see when my controller gets here. I'm getting somewhat comflicting information about if my motherboard if the right one.... I suspect not, if it was, then my current controller would be able to access the admin stuff. Fortunately these parts are not too expensive, it's just a matter of actually finding the right one(s).

[@mrchavs12]

Saw a video that you can change the amount of fuel going in to the heater, possibly will help to burn better

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks ! This heater did not have this feature when I bought it, but I have upgraded the controller so that I can adjust air fuel ratio. I am currently testing with it now. Videos not out yet.

[@Lordlindef]

Fine tune like i say here and you get more heat and lower consume

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Cheers... Just realizing I missed your comments from almost a year ago... somehow. As you may have seen from my series, I did a lot of testing after this.

[@JustAnOldMan]

Keep in mind folks the company says DO NOT BURN WASTE OIL

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. I didn't actually see that anywhere in the literature, but I also say "do not burn waste oil". The whole idea of my series of videos is that many have claimed that you pop waste veg or motor oil into these things and call it a day. I have had comments form may people who say they were fooled into buying one of these for the purpose of burning waste oil, because of a video they watched and many others who say "thank you, I was about to purchase one of these for burning waste oil, and now I'm not" I might be able to get this to work with a lot of time and effort, but if I do, I'm not going to make it look easy or tell others that they should do the same as me. I clearly say "don't do this"

[@humourless682]

If you burn a fuel blend containing waste oil in one of these heaters, there will be endless problems. In the UK the price of diesel is £1.80 ltr, heating oil is 80p a ltr, so depending on where you are located the heating oil option, is likely to be much better than messing with waste oil blends.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yes... I wouldn't recommend that anyone do this. The problem is that there are people who do recommend or claim that you can do this without issues. My videos will show that this is likely not the case. Good advice for those who have access to heating oil. I'm not sure what it is here in Canada, but we typically have to purchase it 300 litres at a time or get charged a huge delivery fee.. and they won't deliver it unless you have a proper certified fuel storage tank. Lots of people use heating oil on the east coast of Canada, but the delivery situation is much the same. That seems like a really good price. Our road diesel is about $1.80 L , but I wasn't able to find any info on home heating oil.

[@stephensmythe1432]

Greetings I’m in the uk, Derbyshire, can’t get hold of Red Diesel for love nor money, where do you get heating oil from, ?is it different to red diesel ? Does your heater run ok on heating oil, thanks in advance 👍

[@humourless682]

@@stephensmythe1432 Try oil supplier, that sells heating oil. Heating oil works fine, bought in bulk 80p litre.

[@stephensmythe1432]

@@humourless682 Thanks for the reply, will look into it, get a barrel and order some, was worried weather it would run in my diesel heater, soot it up all the time,use it in greenhouse, don’t want it breaking down all the time, big price difference with heating oil and diesel at the pump, thanks for the information 👍

[@humourless682]

@@stephensmythe1432 Taxi drivers have been running cabs on heating oil for many years. Works fine in heaters.

[@nute2706]

I have what looks like the exact same heater. I’m at sea level (ish) and had it running for a few days with no problems, diesel only tho.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Right on... Mine has worked flawlessly on diesel for several days. Any mixtures and a lot of hassle.

[@mark6205]

Cleaning Screen: when red hot spriz with water mist, removes the carbon.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comments. I believe that this would work with the exception that the burn chamber is already running too cold, and this would only cool it more. I have no doubts that this would help if it were running hotter.

[@electricamir248]

Thanks for making the video. I suppose there will be a part 4 at some point?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Part 4 came out today. Cheers !

[@wallacegrommet9343]

Kerosene is the best fuel for clean operation

[@golddetector01]

Same here and a bit of clear oil just to keep the fuel pump piston lubricated👍👍

[@wallacegrommet9343]

Most diesel fuel at the pump has about five percent biodiesel added to improve lubricity and emissions. At least here in the Pacific Northwest it does. The exhaust smell is milder, too. Ultra low sulfur diesel was EPA approved and allowed to have a lower lubricating standard in order to meet the strict emissions rules. Modern diesel engines are designed to accommodate this less slippery fuel, but older engines need more lubricant in their fuel. The cheap, effective method is add between 1-5 percent tcw two stroke oil, or biodiesel. Class is dismissed! 😄😵

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Kerosene here is $4/L ... diesel is $2 ... gas is $1.17 and waste oil is free, haha. You just need to quit your job and stay home to clean it out all day.

[@Je-broem]

If you have to clean it every 2 days, its your answer why not burn wast oil. Heater is ment to burn clean diesel. I tried half vegetale oil half diesel and atomizer screen went clogged up..... The diesel heaters are very critical on what you put in it. Nice test!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. You are right... this is not the smartest thing to do, however, I have the heater now, and I have hundreds of litres of oil and a steady supply... If I can come up with some way to make it work, it will be worth it. I'm experimenting with a bunch of different mixes, but worst case scenario, I plan on building a burn chamber that has a built in agitator that cleans the chamber while it runs... Not sure if it will come to that or if I can make that work... but we will see. Yes... diesel heaters like diesel, haha... Crasy eh, haha. Cheers !

[@dr5674]

Great video!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks ! I appreciate your comment !!

[@rolandleusden]

I been running one on 50% diesel / 50% sunflower oil and 10% petrol without a problem. Sunflower oil is 50 cents / liter cheaper than diesel here.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Very interesting.

[@Shawnee845]

While the heater is running hot you spray that in to clean up the Carbon

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I wonder if mixing it in with the fuel would work ...

[@Shawnee845]

That's what I was thinking.

[@zenith1011]

Maybe try alpine mode and minimum HZ to send less fuel, and lower fan RPM to temp ceilings to allow the chamber to get a little hotter? Maybe that would work. 🤔

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That is the plan, eventually ... My controller will not allow me to do that so I have ordered a new ecu and controller. Cheers. I think this could be a large part of the solution.

[@arthurfoyt6727]

So add "sea foam" to the fuel and there will be ZERO problems with soot.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment / advice. I'm not so sure about that ... but I'll have to give it a try. The problem is that oil takes much higher temperatures to burn. If the burn area of the heater can't get to those temperatures, then the oil will never burn completely.

[@arthurfoyt6727]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Think of the heater is a "zero compression diesel engine". The use of a sea foam brand de-carbonizer in the fuel makes perfect sense then.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@arthurfoyt6727 Thanks for the recommendation.

[@Dread438]

ah push it a little sometimes.. to burn it clean. Ethanol works great for that extra clean fuel

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I'm not sure what you mean by your first statement, haha. We do not have E85 available where I live... Ethanol on it's own is $40 a litre. I have tried methanol and it didn't seen to do the trick, but at the time I may have been having other issues, so I may try again. I think the main issue is that the oil isn't getting hot enough to flash off. The carbon mess I'm getting is mostly from partly burnt oil that hasn't flashed off. Alcohol typically cools down the burn, so even tho in a lot of cases it burns cleaner, this could do the opposite.

[@aarrontaylor1222]

Should be a 50/50 mix of diesel/oil . For oil and methanol the methanol needs to be 20% of the volume of oil and extremely well mix while oil warm

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment ! I have tried 50/50 and didn't have a lot of luck. Thanks for the tips on methanol.

[@ajtechniek8841]

🤣 loving it

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... thanks !

[@nicksweet6498]

Your brave going to bed and leaving it on lol

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... not smart. I don't do that now...

[@kingdommusic5456]

american cast steel heater , wood with oil on it , Burns everything ,everytime with No residue left

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I had one of those when I was growing up on the east coast... The house I grew up in had an old coal fired burner that was converted to forced air wood. You can burn anything;.. but you also do have to clean the ash out haha...

[@Shawnee845]

Just wondering, if CRC valve cleaner would work?It takes the carbon off the valve

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I'm not sure. I have used CRC combustion chamber cleaner, and it works pretty well on carbon... not sure about the valve cleaner.

[@Shawnee845]

@@loweredexpectations4927 give it a go

[@BillyBob-fd5ht]

Have you tried used Canola oil, The trick to your experiments you must heat the oil to 140F + before it goes in, starting cold used oil is hell, nothing but problems (do not use gasoline) ticking time bomb. a few garages have burnt down. diesel, veggie oil, used motor oil does not have a high flash point. Gasoline does, any errors it could explode.

[@lpi6608]

Hot oil will atomize to get a cleaner burn. burning cold oil engine oil would be toxic,

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I bought some canola oil the other day... not sure when I will get around to testing it tho. I've been busy.

[@ahah1785]

i have burned two stroke oil and engine oil both old unused stock mixed with diesel 50/50. Id not burn waste oil tho....to much inconvenience😂as you have found out already no doubt!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... yes I have found out... Does two cycle oil smell like you've got a MX track in your neighbourhood ? I'm guessing it burns clean. I have just tried new oil. Motul 10W40 and I didn't have any luck with it, thomy mix was different. Cheers.

[@kennoman5593]

have you tried cooking oil, i'm thinking about tring that so i'm not wasting my cooking oil when it gets dirty just a suggestion "IDK"???...

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I will be trying this soon. Many people claim to have had success with this... we will see.

[@davepearce6870]

Interesting video not sure I could be arsed to continually strip down units as often, I run all mine on a 60/40 mixture of Kerosene ( Heating Oil) and a light oil that I have plenty of. Haven’t stripped down units for just over a year and they still run just fine except for 2 fuel pumps.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... no sane person would do this ! It seems to me that combinations of many fuels would work well at the "correct" ratios and air fuel ratios... Heavy oils, like motor oil need much more heat to ignite, and as a result, tend not to burn completely and leave a lot of junk behind. I'm still experimenting and feel like I'm coming closer to finding something that will make motor oil work... but I may just be fooling myself, haha.

[@sm7091bs]

Like the way of how you are testing it. Bought also one, but have to pick it up, so till now no experience with it. But from my understanding it is better to run it on diesel instead of all kind of mixture? And is there also a manual available for using the control panel? This also for setting like lean or rich? Thx greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I would suggest that you run it on diesel if you don't want to have troubles. I am experimenting as I have a steady supply of waste oil, so if I can make it work, it will be good. However, so far it has been unreliable and dangerous when using waste oil mixes. Most controllers have an admin menu that you can access to control air fuel ratio... mine does not. There are lots of videos about this for specific controllers, but it almost always involves pushing the settings button 3 or 5 times and then entering a code 1688.

[@chuckb.3324]

That was yucky. Very yucky. Crazy how clean it was after you got it going in the right direction. It might need an o2 bottle with a mask over the intake. Like me at 4000 feet...... Thanks and happy new year.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

HAHA... sorry I missed your comment. Yeah, a little o2 or nitrous oxide.

[@dr_jaymz]

Mine runs at about 180 - 190 and the burn chamber gets a slight grey deposit but doesn't build up. I reckon you can get it to burn motor oil if you implement a dual fuel system which preheats the motor oil with the exhaust. Blending fuels doesn't work so well as it just burns the fractions that do vapourize at a lower temperature and the rest deposits causing unburnt sludge to enter the exhaust, if that ignites you're in trouble.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have done experiments and I have come to that conclusion as well "Blending fuels doesn't work so well as it just burns the fractions that do vapourize at a lower temperature and the rest deposits..." The oil doesn't seem to be able to keep the entrance of the chamber hot enough (with my current set up) so the majority of the burn actually happens outside of the burn area... This is exaggerated when gasoline is mixed, as the gas burns instantly leaving the oil behind with no oxygen. The gas also expands rapidly causing a pressure spikes and lulls that sound like a pulse jet engine.

[@dr_jaymz]

@loweredexpectations4927 yes. So what I'd try is start on diesel until it's running at full chat. Have a copper pipe wound around the exhaust right where it exits, which contains the motor oil and then switch to that source. A second pump, a tee piece, and a switch should work because the pumps are naturally one-way valves. It will burn well if it's hot enough, but will it be hot enough... in jet engines the fuel is heated by the design because oil doesn't burn only the vapour does. JP 6 fuel is incredibly incombustible, you cannot light it with a match, and it will put a campfire out! But when heated, it's a different story. My egt is only about 200C and so would only heat to something below that but I think it needs to be more like 250C. Another issue is that multigrade contains additives that deliberately modify its viscosity at higher temps like 100C not sure what they do at 200C but probably interfere with combustion.

[@vihreelinja4743]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Only bcause you are running stock settings? when you change fuel you need to go to the "hidden" setup menu and set the min-max values for the pump and fan obviously

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@vihreelinja4743 Thanks for the comment ! My current controller does not have this adjustability, so I have ordered a different one to see if that will work.

[@aspendell209]

Real waste oil burners have a large cast-iron bowl that the sludge is dripped into while burning. The bowl can then be emptied from time to time of the coke and carbon waste products. I'm not sure why someone on KZbin thought this chinsy device would be good for burning waste oil, but you have to be careful who you listen to 😉

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment. I once collected all the materials to build a waste oil burner but decided against it... I realize they are robust and made to be cleaned. You gotta wonder about people's motivations to lie ... I guess views and money in return. Either way, my series showing the truth about this is doing well and I have had many people tell me that I saved them from the same mistake.

[@dandheidi]

need to adjust the air to fuel mixture. More air less fuel.

[@lpi6608]

I agree, different fuel how cold requires different settings adjustment.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment ! I have ordered a controller that will allow me to control fan speed and pump feed independently. Cheers.

[@wirelessone23]

Thanks for sharing. Question: In selecting the gasoline for your mix what ethanol content will you use? Here in central Wisconsin, I can get, 0% (most expensive), 5%, 10% and 85% (least expensive) Thanks.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for your comment. I put up a video today (part 4) and the results were less than stellar. Spoiler alert. As for what gas... We do not have E85 where I am, and I'm shocked to hear that it is the least expensive. If I had a choice. I would use the E85 for sure ! I have been told that 30% E85 and 70% waste oil works well, but I do not have access to E85. If you have a controller that has admin settings, I have been advised to crank my fan speed up to max and set the pump hz to no more than 3hz when running on waste oil. I have ordered a new controller as mine does not have this functionality.

[@blvckAveli]

Does it not require air intake frim underneath?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I'm not sure what you are trying to ask. There is an air inlet on the bottom of the unit, right next to the exhaust.

[@sisisduo]

Filter that oil and mix with some cheap heating oil, maybe can get away with far less cleaning. You could do a test run with 50/50 oil kerosine mix. Also try adjust hz settings. There are tables foind online with suggested hz to fan speed. May need MB and controller upgrade for that. Im using cheap kerosine and its cheap and happy :)

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the input. Some parts of my country has easy access to heating oil, but where I am you can only really get it from refueling services for heavy equipment and generators etc (as far as I know) We use mostly natural gas and more rural areas use propane. If you can get it, it is $2L plus a large delivery fee if you get under 200L. Are you in the UK? I have ordered a controller and ecu that will hopefully allow me to change my air fuel ratio, but I currently do not have this option. It's crazy how prices vary place to place... where I am kerosene is sold for lanterns and camp stoves... It is $40 for 10L.

[@sisisduo]

I will finish all your videos now 😂 real tests 😂 UK yes.. So diesel currently is about 1.7£ and kerosene about 1£ for small amounts. If bought a ton could get 70p per liter and better for larger amounts. I got same heater ticking away on kerosene 👍 check controller called Afterburner. Serious kit mate :) but not the one made by someone in UK (fake) u want Australian guys original. There is Facebook group also for it. Anyway if u filter oil mix it with diesel/kerosene and adjust (learn the right setting) u will get this thing under control :)

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@sisisduo Wow... I've had someone recently tell me 80p for diesel and my mind was blown, haha. Our diesel is at least $1.80 and the cheapest I could find kerosene was $36.99 for 9.46L I have checked out the afterburner and would love to have one. It's not in the budget at the moment, but hopefully in the future. I have check out their site and aware of the fake unit. Good to hear that there is some hope, haha. I have actually been making some progress with my testing. 👍

[@NdxtremePro]

@@loweredexpectations4927 So, I live in Maine, and Heating Oil hear is Heating Fuel #2, which is just Diesel with Red Die. Literally the stuff this heater is made to burn. It is 3.79 to 3.99 a gallon here if you get 100 gallons in your tank. You don't pay the Diesel road tax is the main difference from what you get at the pump. We already use Oil Heat, so this would just be a backup for when the grid goes out for us.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@NdxtremePro I used to live in New Brunswick and visited Maine once when I was young. They use heating oil in NB as well, altho the cost is much higher. A The house that I grew up in, and most houses on the east coast use heating oil, and I was thinking that these heaters would be perfect for that... You already have the oil, so you can use it for backup, or a greenhouse or shed... Or a enclosure for your dog. Lots of great uses. If you are considering one, I have an affiliate link and a discount code, to a similar one to mine. After seeing the videos I made, the company approached me and asked me if I wanted to work with them. The company is VEVOR and there is a link in the description. Note that the 5 and 8 KW units are actually both 5 kw. It has been proven that these are not capable of 8 kw. Thanks for the comment !

[@quincyicq]

There are some hardcore users in the UK who have been toying with these heaters for a while now.. Check out David McLuckie's channel for some great research content plus tips on fuel / waste oil ratios that work reasonably cleanly. He's got some great info that will help you set some baselines. Like your videos on this - I've been considering getting one of these myself to provide some free heat to my garage as well as i also have a good amount of waste motor oil laying around. Looking forward to more content. cheers

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I love David's videos ... I have watched many ! I have ordered a controller that will hopefully allow me to adjust the air fuel ratio. The one that I currently have does not have the admin menu... sadly. I have been trying a lot of different mixes in the meantime, but haven't found anything that works well. I am also considering building a centrifuge to filter my oil, as the stuff that I have is probably pretty nasty as it is from air cooled engines. Just posted a video today of my experimenting with gas and waste oil. Cheers !

[@snakeoil24snake3]

Looks like to me you get the message it wont burn crappy waste oil. Did you come too that conclusion? also why not just cut a hole in wall and run exhaust thru wall and not thru your duct work??

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... I guess you could say that, but there are currently 6 more parts to this series !... I'm still trying to make it work. I don't plan on keeping the heater in this area. It is where it is now because it is easy to access for servicing and filming, but out of the way so I'm not tripping on it. If I can get it to work on waste oil for more than a few days at a time, then I will consider mounting it more permanently. Cheers.

[@tomasdevine7756]

I thought the plan was run from start on diesel until temp reached then switch to waste oil ? Two tanks after 10 min switch ? Reaching temp to burn oil might make it burn clean from then on ? Please do this.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment. I have been testing by starting on diesel and it is working much better.

[@jonathanwilliams7950]

Do these heaters not have a hidden engineers menu that allows you adjust various parameters of the operation?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the commnet. Some of them do, unfortunately, mine does not. I have ordered parts that will hopefully allow me to get control over most stuff.

[@gerhardbauer4127]

interresting

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. Sorry I missed it.

[@richardriehle4159]

interesting . i'm hoping you are able to get diesel- waste oil blend to work . i would be tempted to buy a unit if you are successful.

[@shanecodman1842]

50-50 used oil / diesel fuel seems to work well

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Testing is ongoing, haha. I have not had great success with simply mixing different fuels. I suspect that the golden ticket (if anything) will be to increase fan speed to max and lower the pump hz ... many have now suggested this and claim it works well for them. Unfortunately, my current controller does not have this functionality, and so I have ordered another controller.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@shanecodman1842 I have tried this and it didn't work for me... I suspect that my elevation has something to do with it as I am at 4000 ft

[@kgsalvage6306]

Seems like it is all the same clips from part 1 and 2 mostly. Kinda confusing. Would like to just see the updates.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment ! Sorry about the repeat in content... I have a bad habit of thinking that I need to show the whole story... I feel like I'm being deceptive when I leave things out. I have repeated many of my tests to double check my work and to make sure that I get the same results. Cheers and thanks for the comment.

[@kgsalvage6306]

@Lowered Expectations No problem. Sometimes, I just get confused thinking I watched it already. I totally understand.

[@automotivel3501]

You could put some adblue in the fuel mix, it will run hotter and hopefully burn off the soot.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hey, sorry I missed your comment. I have been look into additives. Adblue requires a catalyst to work (from what I understand) but there are others that work without. Cheers.

[@kempaswe4022]

I got my heater for free because it wouldn't pair with the remote. Tried to pair it 6-7 times with negative result, contacted wish support and they gave me a full payback

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sounds like a good deal to me.

[@EQINOX187]

I do not think you can blame the heater for acting up when you are using a fuel it is not supposed to use, its supposed to use Diesel which burns at a fairly low temp compared to other fuels and burns fairly cleanly, if you start using the wrong fuel you can make it burn hotter which results in a very dangerous situation, and when it comes to oil sure it will work and it will burn similarly to Diesel the problem is with using waste oil as it is waste for a reason, in the case of engine oil its contaminated with all kinds of things including a ton of carbon ( this is why it it turns black ) which means when you burn it in the heater the oil burns and leaves behind all that carbon and contaminants that sticks to the walls and the more contaminated your oil the faster it happens. This is why if you are using waste oil you are supposed to run it through several filter stages or use a centrifugal separator to get as much of the contaminants out as you can before you put it in the heater, though it does make me wonder if adding sea foam engine cleaner or similar fuel additive that is supposed to remove and prevent carbon build up would help.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yes, at no point have I blamed the heater... I blame people who make claims that you can burn alternative fuels in these without any issue, and I'm making videos to show that that is likely not the case. These things are wonderful for burning diesel 👍 I have been doing a lot of testing and plan on trying some fuel additives. Thanks for the comment.

[@Joe-hj6pg]

Vevor Joel

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... Guess who's bored today... Joe ! haha.

[@garynickel648]

They put a lot of ads on your blogs

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I've stated noticing more and more of their adds popping up all over the place. I think some of this is they are doing more advertising, but also, Google is very good at tracking activity... once you have even thought of a product, google knows and will start placing adds for you to see.

[@Lordlindef]

Secret menu code 1688. Put low Hz at 1.2 and topp at 3.5 Hz. Same heat no clogs

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Controllers / ECUs that use green / blue digits, do not have the engineering menu. Controllers with red digits generally indicate this feature. Later in the series I purchase a new controller and ECU for this reason.

[@hobbychannelgermany5856]

I found a solution for me. Try a 50 50 mix but use a dual tank setup to start on diesel. Also I cut the back of the Burner and riped out the mesh. Just put in a peace of stainless mesh every time you clean it. The cut back end is hold on by a wire tied to the bolts. I hope I did help at least a little bit. If you warnt pictures of a viedeo please text me.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That's interesting ... I have seen others say theirs have a mesh... Mine does not have a mesh in the chamber, behind the baffle. That's an interesting idea... I might try something like that. I have been experimenting with different fuel mixes, and today I drilled some extra small holes in the back of the chamber to try to help the burn... testing it now. Cheers !

[@hobbychannelgermany5856]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYvRcqOVnKeDabM Here you can find my viedeo

[@shanehogarth6373]

That's very interesting as I have a cut down burner tube I could use to try this. Can't visualise what you mean about the wire and holding it back together though.

[@hobbychannelgermany5856]

@@shanehogarth6373 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYvRcqOVnKeDabM

[@shanehogarth6373]

@@hobbychannelgermany5856 thanks for that. I hadn't seen this previously, nice video and mods.

[@Yankeeprepperasshat]

Nomatter how much fuel you use, it’s only going to hit 210-215. So you could just turn the fan to desired speed and crank your fuel till you see under 200 degrees and you’ll be running lean enough. Bye, I’m also in calgary. Wouldn’t mind a chat with you about these.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That is the plan eventually ... the issue is that I don't yet have a controller that is tunable. I have ordered a new ecu and controller that will hopefully allow me to do this.

[@henriemond2248]

Good video but to add to the test use less synthetic oil and add air… you lack air to carbonized. My oil furnace does the same when it run out of air.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment ! I have ordered a controller that will allow me to control fan speed and pump feed independently. Cheers.

[@MrBobWareham]

The clue is in the name diesel heater, so use only diesel, and it should be good as the original heater was made for lorry cabs to keep the driver warm at night, until the Chinese copied it, so that is why it burns diesel and not waste oil!!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. These are wonderful heaters for burning diesel ... I love mine. I think you misunderstood the idea of the video (series). Others have wrongfully claimed that these are great for burning waste oil and all sorts of other garbage. My video series is to show people that they should burn diesel... Cheers.

[@Yankeeprepperasshat]

Are you tuning the fuel air mixture properly? Because nomatter what your fuel is, I’d say it’s running WAY WAY WAY too rich

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. I don't have a tuneable controller. I have ordered another ECU and controller to allow me to do this. Cheers !

[@Snicklin]

All that carbon build up is from burning oil, they are designed to run on diesel.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... that's the simple (and accurate answer), but diesel is oil. The carbon is caused by an incomplete burn, and from my testing, I believe this is because of low burn chamber temperatures. This may never work, but it may. Thanks for the comment.

[@onedadsbattle]

I'm guessing your not filtering the oil through a centrifuge.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That is a correct guess... I may end up building one as I do have a lathe and mill.... I have seen a few diy units and I think I could make a reasonably small one that would suit my needs. Cheers.

[@onedadsbattle]

@@loweredexpectations4927 yes, I built one from pa diesel. I have a short clip of it uploaded 🙂

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@onedadsbattle cool

[@toddstanley7804]

Methanol will not mix with oil, use gasoline

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed your comment. I'm not a chemist, but I suspect that methanol will mix with oil if it has some gasoline in with it as well. Water does not mix with gasoline, so you put methanol in the gas. Methanol mixes with the water and with the gas and you are able to get rid of the water. 👍

[@SailProMarina]

1. You cant mix ( CH3OH ) Methanol with Diesel , lol , 2. Try Kerosene in it , runs clean and flawless, but don't use 2 highest settings 3. Never run used oil in those units , bad juju. 4. Replace the fuel line with copper or at least automotive grade rubber hose. 5. Invest in the ' upgrade ' style muffler that makes a huge difference and wrap the exhaust pipe in a heat protective wrap. 6. The Vevor model is Junk. Buy the unit from Maxspeedingrods in the USA Amazon store ( orange in color ) it uses a unit made in EU and not in China. Good Luck. Don't Die.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. 1. Are you sure about that? I have mixed methyl hydrate with diesel at least twice. What if the meth is first mixed with gasoline? 2. I'm sure kerosene is wonderful. It also cost $4L here, haha. My testing is all about trying to burn wmo. 3. Yes... wmo is in fact very bad for these... I have saved many from doing this by making these videos. Others have just lied. 4. I'm fine with the fuel line, but I did replace it with stuff from my jetski, because it's what I had. 5. I will 100% worry about the exhaust if I can get this to run more than 2 days on waste motor oil. 6. I have looked around many placed and decided to buy the Vevor one based on price, quality and delivery time. Many of them look the same but from what I saw the Maxspeedingrods were the worse ... a lot of them just have a rheostat control and look more cheap than anything from anyone else. Maybe I just didn't see the ones you were talking about? I'm also pretty sure you are wrong about them not being made in China... Even the EU companies that sell these get all of the parts from China. Haha..Thanks and thanks. The whole numbering thing made it really easy and efficient to respond. Cheers !

[@donnied6759]

80k btu is that when the garage catches on fire?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... I guess it depends where the 80,000 btu is... I currently have 200,000 btu of floor heating with a tankless heater and an 80,000 btu mr heater hanging from my ceiling 🤟... fortunately, I have never tried to burn waste oil in either of them, haha.

[@donnied6759]

@Lowered Expectations oh sorry I thought it was that Chinese miracle heater that produces that So sorry

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@donnied6759 If my math is correct... all we need is 10X more air and 10X more fuel and we should be close ... first we need to build a blast roof room to run it in 👍

[@Colin6712]

That plate at the bottom of the burn chamber pulls out with an angled pick just pull it from side to side there's a wire mesh thing that gets blocked by carbon and needs cleaning

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have seen that on another video where the guy pulled his out because he was burning atf or hydraulic oil.... I have since tried to pull mine out and have seen another video where someone else had seen that video and tried to pull theirs out and no go... I'm not sure if his was supposed to be welded and just wasn't. Do you have one that comes out ? It sure would make things a whole lot easier !!

[@shanehogarth6373]

As Joel suggests, some seem to come out and others don't. I even used a slide hammer with a hook and mine didn't budge even a micron. Only thing that happened was the plate itself became damaged.Here's mine. How does that comapare to yours? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZy9pWOoia1glcU

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@shanehogarth6373 Yeah... I gave up on mine before I went that far. I forget if you mentioned it in your video... where did you get your new chamber ?

[@user-pe8rm7jw9q]

use the fule your suppose to !!!!! No wonder

[@loweredexpectations4927]

100% Yes... These heaters are awesome when using the proper fuel... However, that is not at all the idea / purpose of this video series.

[@ProctoLogic]

Try 16ml Fuel Pump for less flow

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have been considering that ! Good thinking... I would probably be too little, but good thinking. I have ordered a new ecu so that I can change the pump hz.

[@martinpanks992]

The black carbon in the used oil is surely the problem..

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I suspect that there are lots of things in the oil, including the carbon content, that are problems. I am experimenting with a few different ideas to see if there is anything cost effective and easy that I can do to mitigate these problems. I'm not a chemist, but during the combustion process things can be done / added to promote a more complete burn. Also, more air flow could reduce the amount of carbon that stays in the burn chamber. Thanks for the comment !

[@mark6205]

too much fuel, not enough oxygen.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for being so presistant... Sorry I missed your comments. Once you get so many, KZbin stops notifying you. I do believe that that is at least part of the problem. I have ordered a controller and ecuso I can adjust the AFR

[@Dread438]

long story short: dont use waste oil to feed the heater and it'll stay cleaner.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Basically, but that won't stop me from trying 🤟

[@melissasmess2773]

It's the same with diesel engines, more fuel means higher internal temperature, it's the opposite of a gasoline engine. Not sure how adding gasoline to diesel will work, sounds dangerous but you're not an idiot.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah, Diesel will burn at a much wider ratio than gas. I've always found it fascinating that diesel engines do not have a throttle plate ... They can burn up to 75:1 fuel ratio at idle, and then, I think 15 - 16:1 at full throttle. Most fuels have a much narrower range.

[@Joe-hj6pg]

Im looking into buying a vevor

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Well, sunny... you are in luck. You came to the right spot !

[@Joe-hj6pg]

You forgot to say Vevor

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Joe-hj6pg I knew you had it under control... PS. Vevor

[@mark6205]

Air fuel ratios need to be changed when changing fuels

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I do believe that that is at least part of the problem. I have ordered a controller and ecu so I can adjust the AFR

[@Lordlindef]

Video here in KZbin how to fine tune them

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sorry I missed all of your comments. Once you get so many, KZbin stops notifying you... I have ordered a new ecu and controller so that I can tune mine. It is not tunable.

[@Lordlindef]

@@loweredexpectations4927 ofcorse you can tune it

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Lordlindef I do not know what you mean... My controller does not have a place to enter an admin code. The only control I have is heat settings. I can not see or control fan speed, and I can not see or control pump hz. Some new controllers do not have these options.

[@Lordlindef]

@@loweredexpectations4927 have photo of it?? All you can tune

[@Lordlindef]

@@loweredexpectations4927 if not get a New motherboard and controller asap

[@oliver90owner]

Did you say you were at 4000ft altitude? With normal settings on diesel, you are likely running with 15-20% excess fuel! Meaning, with these basic (cheaper) controller/motherboard combination, you should already be operating in ‘plateau’ mode! At that altitude, you have little opportunity to run with any enhanced calorific value fuel. For the better controller/motherboard combinations there are tables on the net showing settings for fan speed snd pump rate for running at altitude. Not many people realise how this can affect the heater efficiency, I think. Running on 28s kerosene would certainly help to prevent sooting-up, but I’m not sure exactly, without a few calculations, how much it would likely help. A lighter fraction, still would be better - but with less lubricity your pump would soon fail. Many at, or around, sea level run their heaters with 28s Kero - but on diesel settings. Of course they run cleaner - because they are burning ‘lean’ and inefficiently. Some may even advocate using plateau mode and kero at low altitude without any clue as to the effects on combustion. Heating air, simply to exhaust that extra heat to atmosphere is not even considered by them! Pure wastefulness, at such a lean burn.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yup... 4000 ft actually 4445 ft... At this altitude we can't make as much heat, or power in my jetskis... true. I have ordered another controller as mine does not have the functionality to change fan speed independent of the pump. I'm told that this may not work without also replacing the ecu... we'll see. We have to have different furnace settings in our house and our gas water heater is actually set up for high elevation as well. It's a thing that we have to deal with here. I'm experimenting with waste oil mixes to try to make a budget fuel. I currently have two heat sources in my garage hooked to natural gas, but I have a free source of oil. Kerosene here is about $5/ gallon, so it's not a terribly cost effective measure. I am considering trying a cetane booster in a waste oil / diesel mix... and other things. The experimentation has just begun, haha. Thanks for the comment and the tips !

[@oojimmyflip]

finding it a bit difficult to find the link but I watched a guy who runs waste oil in his diesel heater, he has two tanks one with red diesel in it and he starts the heater up on diesel lets it run at full chat for 15 mins then switches over to waste oil and 15 mins before shutdown he switches back to diesel, he stripped down his heater and it was clean inside after 10 days of running it this way, maybe its worth a try ?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hey, thanks for the comment ... The video won't be out for some time as they are filmed in advance, but I am actually in the middle of testing this right now. I have been starting on diesel for 10-20 minutes, switching to 1/4 diesel 3/4 waste oil, and if the heater runs for more than 4 hrs, I switch back to diesel for 10-20 minutes before continuing on the waste oil mix. I'm about to go take it apart and look inside to see if it's working or getting clogged.

[@dave8k9hohnjmdavez57]

Get a LP propex heater

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I currently have a 200,000 but floor heating system and a 80,000 btu Mr Heater installed in my garage connected to natural gas. They work awesome and I can keep the garage nice and warm in the coldest of temperatures. The whole reason I am doing this is that I have a supply of waste oil that I have to dispose of in some way, and when you dispose of it, it gets used as fuel. If I can get this to work it will lower my heating bill.