The Best Thing Since Sliced Water - Chinese Diesel Heaters. PT-2

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Lowered Expectations

Lowered Expectations

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@dunkindiver
@dunkindiver 2 жыл бұрын
It might be cheaper to use the heater on your Mini
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Cheaper AND quieter...
@henrikstenlund5385
@henrikstenlund5385 Жыл бұрын
Move the heater outside for safety. The chimey fire is caused by the cole and tar flying to the pipes. That is dangerous. It is basically caused by burning the waste oil
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice. You are right again. The waste oil does not burn completely and builds up... this causes the chimney fire.
@henrikstenlund5385
@henrikstenlund5385 Жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 Yes, I can see that now that you were testing to see how far you can go with dirty oils. With diesel the heater can work reliably for a long time.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
@@henrikstenlund5385 I have one installed in my truck, and I love it. It only gets clean fresh diesel.
@realeyesrealizereallies6828
@realeyesrealizereallies6828 2 жыл бұрын
I use motor oil with an e85 mix..I start up on pure diesel for 5 minutes, then switch to the mix, you can only run it on high with waste oil, the burn chamber has to be 210 C. I use a 5 micron filter for the waste oil..Switch to pure diesel for 5 minutes before shutting off..I made a cast iron exhaust to capture more exhaust heat..It works great if you follow those instructions..
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions. I have actually tried running mine with a fairly high concentration of Methanol in a waste oil and diesel mix, but not starting it on diesel. It has. been almost -30 here for a few weeks so my heater doesn't shut off until it stops from being fill of carbon. My heater generally fluctuates between 206 and 212, and even at that it carbons up. I think I need to do more filtering, and continue with the testing. How much e85 to waste oil are you using ?
@realeyesrealizereallies6828
@realeyesrealizereallies6828 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I have two tanks with a ball valve, one is pure diesel for start up and shut down the other is waste oil 70% waste oil 30% E85, and I filter the waste oil down to 5 microns, I've also lowered the pump rate on high, less fuel more air, there is a code for that on some diesel heaters..I have a friend who is a diesel engine engineer, who came up with that set up, he did something else to the burn chamber, but I'll have to ask him because I'm not 100% I can explain it correctly, I'll get back to you though, once I talk to him..Before that final tweek it ran good, never shut down, didn't smoke, but it did leave some carbon in the chamber, now it burns really clean..I didn't come up with any of it though, I just benefitted from knowing the right guy..He also makes bio diesel and black diesel..And never ran the mix on anything but high, all the way full blast..The chamber is not hot enough on any other setting..
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 Right on ! It's good to know people like that, haha. I have tried several times to get into the hidden menu on my controller, but my remote does not respond the way people show it working in videos. Either there is a different way to get to that menu, or they have taken that functionality out of my remote. I'm in Canada, and the ones that I have seen that are able to set the fuel and air ratios are ... well... basically anywhere else. US, UK, Australia, Scotland... There is one other Canadian KZbinr who has the same controller as me, as far as I can tell, and his seems to lack functionality as well... maybe I will ask him if he knows how to get to the hidden features. Thanks again for the input !
@joshpoole6056
@joshpoole6056 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 the high altitude feature he's talking about is activated by hitting a combination of 2 buttons and holding down until you see a mountain icon in the display. Just try different combinations of the 4 buttons. On mine it's both buttons on the left I think.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshpoole6056 Thanks Josh. I was able to get mine into "alpine mode" for higher altitude ... This feature slows the pump and makes it run leaner. The issue is that it seems to to be too much of a change and / or I need more fan speed. The control that I need is to be able to control the fan speed independently of the pump. This way I can put the fan at max, and play with the fuel until I get a clean burn.
@dan2fast4you21
@dan2fast4you21 2 жыл бұрын
I have received my one and have encountered similar issues to you. I have several strategies to attempt to avoid carbon build up. I have a T join in the fuel line, and have pure diesel in the tank up top, and in a separate container I have my “black fuel”. So I run the diesel on startup and during shutdown, running it at full blast for 10-15 minutes to decarbonise the combustion chamber. The oil is decanted before being placed in the black fuel tank and from there it passes a large car diesel fuel filter before entering the T valve. I have shortened the piping between the pulse pump and the burner to shorten the fuel transition. I also plan to wrap a copper line around the exhaust to heat the fuel before it enters the injection line. This should help the black fuel to reach a temperature closer to its higher flash point temp, resulting in a complete combustion.
@dr.v-dubious5397
@dr.v-dubious5397 2 жыл бұрын
+1 ,,,except the the oil feed line around exhaust might boil/vapor lock? but doing that wrap just to boil recirculate back in to heat the oil tank yea
@dr.v-dubious5397
@dr.v-dubious5397 2 жыл бұрын
all that exhaust heat shud b captured in thermal mass somehow
@dan2fast4you21
@dan2fast4you21 2 жыл бұрын
@@dr.v-dubious5397 When running pure diesel the exhaust temperature is the highest and reachers a max of 215 degrees. It should be ok for the black fuel, but yes it should be looked out for during tue first tests.
@dr.v-dubious5397
@dr.v-dubious5397 2 жыл бұрын
@@dan2fast4you21 his exhaust got glowing red hot,,,lol,,,looked hot enough to vaporize oil... i follow the vapor carb community too; that heat cud be used to vaporize any contaminated old petroleum to run a generator aswell. (variable 555timer circuit&transistor,,, with course injectors spraying on the hot surface enclosed[sealable/cleanable]&plumbed to genny intake..vacuum jar&boil methods fall short just fractioning it incomplete) it would be a good marriage for off grid
@shanehogarth6373
@shanehogarth6373 2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask how long you have been doing this successfully without it needing a strip and clean? I have tried the method you suggest without a lot of success.
@johnshockley7921
@johnshockley7921 Жыл бұрын
The Chinese diesel world on KZbin has consuned me. So much information, misinformation, science, theories , drama, etc. I find myself entertained and confused. So many decisions, do I put it inside or outside? I just got mine yesterday so I'm officially in the cult. Bye the way, your comment section is pretty amazing. Never seen anyone else make such lengthy and detailed replies.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Hey... I released a video yesterday about emissions of these heaters... actually testing on indoors. I have been messing with (torturing) these for over a year. If you have questions, let me know. Putting it inside or outside is personal preference. If you put it inside, you need to safely route your exhaust outside, meaning, getting all the gasses out and clear if any air passage into your area, as well as making sure the hot exhaust doesn't burn your wall(s). Putting it outside means that you need some large holes to duct the inlet and outlet air. You will want to recirculate the air for efficiency. If for some reason you choose not to, you need to make sure you are pulling in fresh air and not air that coms out of your exhaust. Haha... I try to help people when I can. I suggest watching my latest video, I will try to share the link with you, but KZbin doesn't always allow. Welcome aboard... there are lots of helpful people in my comment section.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
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@wirelessone23
@wirelessone23 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I've found that all drain oil is not the same. Synthetic motor oil requires much higher temperatures to burn properly in the diesel heater. It also requires a good filter to remove all the tiny metal particles common in drain oil. My mix is 70% diesel and 20% drain oil. I use two tanks for the supply with ball valves on each. Fire the unit up on diesel and after the heater gets hot make the switch to black oil. Then switch back before shutting down.
@bertjesklotepino
@bertjesklotepino 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And it runs on hydraulic fluid as well. As it does veggie oil etc. No problems. Just a small bit of mixing, and obviously starting and heating it up on clean fuel, just as shutting it down on clean fuel. So it can burn away a bit of the crap.
@spoid54
@spoid54 2 жыл бұрын
70/20? whats the other 10%?
@bertjesklotepino
@bertjesklotepino 2 жыл бұрын
@@spoid54 damn, good observation.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
I have been experimenting with starting on diesel and then switching, and if it runs more than 4 hours I do 15 minutes on diesel before continuing on my oil mix. It has given me the best results so far.
@hitekredneck109
@hitekredneck109 Жыл бұрын
​@@spoid54lol.....I was gonna ask the same thing......maybe 10% of the cocktail mixture he was drinking when he came up with 70/20?
@allanmaureenmacintyre4474
@allanmaureenmacintyre4474 2 жыл бұрын
I like your style man.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Haha... thanks ! I appreciate you saying so !!
@MattJordanWoodturning
@MattJordanWoodturning 2 жыл бұрын
Diesel heaters are designed for diesel, waste oil heaters are designed for waste oil. I'm not sure why anyone would try the Cross over, if you want a waste oil heater make one, heat the oil first to get the correct viscosity and use an atomiser burner, expect to clean it out on a regular basis.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment... If you're not sure why anyone would try this, then I'm afraid you missed the point of the video... People try this, including me, because there are a whole bunch of asshats on KZbin claiming that these things are perfectly fine for burning waste oil... I'm a mechanic, I know that there's a LOT of crap in oil, and I was skeptical that this would work, but the first videos that I watched were people saying they worked for 3 years burning the worst waste oil ever, veg oil, oil with water.... so it was either these people are complete pieces of trash (I know now this is the answer) or I'm missing something and it really works. In part, I'm making these videos to show that they don't work well for this, that they are dangerous when used in this way, and to highlight that there are a whole bunch of idiots out there who simply repeat what they hear, spread lies and don't take the time to actually test something before telling the world that it's the best thing ever. If I lived in a different area, had more space, was further from neighbours etc, I would totally build a waste oil heater, I collected supplies to build one a few years ago, but it's just not practical.
@MattJordanWoodturning
@MattJordanWoodturning 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 possibly I've missed the point, and I accept that, but reading through the comments many haven't and still have suggestions to try and make this work, it's like some holy grail. Hopefully someone will read this and accept waste oil heaters are a concept on their own. I also accept we are in desperate times..
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@MattJordanWoodturning It's funny, I just replied to someone who was calling me names because " I have a friend who has one of these to heat his garage and he's been using it for 3 years with no issues." I get an equal amount of people calling me an idiot for thinking that it will work as I do people calling me an idiot for saying it's not working 😂 To be fair, mine has heated my garage for a month now, and I only have to turn on my natural gas when I'm cleaning the diesel heater out, haha. So, once every two days for an hour or so... If you consider that "working" then there's something wrong but hey, each to their own. The average person doesn't have the basic understanding of how things burn or why oil is not a great fuel... so yeah, there are a lot of people who have silly ideas as to why this isn't working. The closest thing that I have heard to a reasonable "fix" is to use a controller that has independent control over the fan speed and fuel delivery. The idea being that you can then max out the fan speed to create a lot of air flow through the burn chamber, and then adjust the fuel delivery to get a acceptable air fuel ratio. Hopefully people read your comment and think that and hopefully people watch my videos and see that it is a royal pain in the ass and give this waste oil thing a second thought. I can't imagine anyone watching my videos and thinking... "Yeah, I think I'll give that a go". haha.
@MattJordanWoodturning
@MattJordanWoodturning 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I used to service a few dedicated waste oil heaters in garages, the main issue the heaters always had was soot, blocked nozzles and filters. Service interval was only 3 months to clean the heat exchanger, change the filters and the nozzle. The oil was always heated and atomised using low pressure compressed air. Even then the soot was 2 - 3mm at each service. If you have a good supply of waste oil then burning it is always a good solution if you are willing to put the time in, especially with energy prices the way they are. The initial process of moisture removal and filtering does reduce many of the combustion issues. Constancy is the issue. You still have the issue of viscosity, the pump would require setting up to overcome that and I would recommend heating the oil first, 80 degrees Celsius was the tank temp on most heaters. Even then I would expect issues, running on max could help with the correct pump speed. I use these heaters myself, on red diesel, I also have a supply of waste oil if I wished, but I don't 😉
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
​@@MattJordanWoodturning Yeah, it's not surprising that waste oil furnaces build up soot. Diesel is designed to burn and it still soots up some, in things that it was designed to burn in... So, waste oil, that is designed / modified not to burn, with all sorts of contaminants ... It's not surprising that it would soot up. Also, many of those furnaces are burning (I assume) gallons a day. My waste oil supply ( forgive me if I already said this) is from air cooled lawnmowers, mostly... So pretty nasty oil to start with, my filtration system is a piece of cloth over a bucket (so far) haha... so yeah. Not the best fuel. I plan to do better filtering. As for the heating, I would want to use a dedicated, on demand electric heater (not sure what that consists of)...Some have suggested copper feed pipe wrapped around the exhaust.... I see at least a few problems with that for both performance and safety, haha. Who knows... maybe this will lead to me using a centrifuge and filtration system to filter my oil and having preheated fuel... This makes sense if I plan to continue to burn waste oil, but it isn't what I started out to do. Due to the very simplistic burn chamber design, and the fact that the heat exchanger tip is exposed at the hot air outlet... I have been considering building a burn chamber agitator that mounts on the end of the exchanger.... If the soot is knocked loose every few minutes maybe it would make its way out before causing a problem ...
@red7rikki
@red7rikki 2 ай бұрын
Muffler out side and it inside down hole is for water to drain out no bends at all in the exhaust pipe , they are they to direct the heat out but with bend it is concentrated on one point.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 ай бұрын
Yeah... I am aware of the condensate hole and many have pointed it out. The exhaust stays WAY too hot to worry about condensation. You can have bends in the pipe without issue. The manual states how many and I have tested this in later videos.
@howardosborne8647
@howardosborne8647 2 жыл бұрын
Joel, any sign of a glowing red hot exhaust is a sure sign that incandescent combustion of your fuel isn't being competed inside the combustion tube. It is a warning not to be ignored as a shop fire is a very likely result.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. Thanks for the concern. I am aware of the dangers and am prepared to deal with it or accept responsibility for my failures.
@hillaryclinton2415
@hillaryclinton2415 Жыл бұрын
plus, due to the unit design (and OP not having a fan on that part of pipe) it will melt fuel lines and destroy intake hose.
@ParasiteZappers
@ParasiteZappers Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how to access the advanced settings on the new blue controller ?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Do you have green or red digits ? If you have green / blue digits, then you can not access it. There is a 3 digit code that no one seems to know, I believe it is power and the top right button. If you have red digits then it is usually 3 or 5 presses of the settings button in the upper left.
@ParasiteZappers
@ParasiteZappers Жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I'm pretty sure we have the same unit. It has blue digital display. Correction it has greenish display.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
​@@ParasiteZappers Sadly, you can't change anything, as far as I know. There appears to be a place to enter a 3 digit code. When the heater is plugged in but not turned on, you press and hold the power and OK button. I have talked to a guy who had tried several codes for this and got access to something, but nothing useful. He suspects that there may be a different code for access to a different menu. I recently purchased a new ecu and controller (you need the ecu) from aliexpress for $40 Canadian. I will post the links to two below if you are interested. I will be posting a video on how to install the new ecu. It is VERY easy. The one I got. www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004560948748.html?spm=a2g0o.order_detail.order_detail_item.3.69ecf19cYfNGe2 One with a better remote. www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003578134305.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.7.389443a10BOAM3&algo_pvid=76194965-1c85-4145-8446-c0d7c9303aa8&algo_exp_id=76194965-1c85-4145-8446-c0d7c9303aa8-3&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000026353364815%22%7D&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21CAD%2167.16%2150.38%21%21%21%21%21%40211be3cd16770381518312313d06d7%2112000026353364815%21sea%21CA%212732292126&curPageLogUid=k2MRfdSNWEvA
@ParasiteZappers
@ParasiteZappers Жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 ok I think I'll grab one too. Its showing 43% discount right now so I can grab one for 25 dollars USD. Looks like shipping is about a couple of bucks from china. So that's a heck of a deal.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
@@ParasiteZappers Make sure you are purchasing the ECU AND CONTROLLER ... They often offer only the ecu or only the controller or only the remote.... You need the kit ...
@themowerman
@themowerman 2 жыл бұрын
Just fitted one.. no problems.. I only use regular diesel...
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
If you stick to the diesel you probably won't have any issues 👍 I have tested mine on diesel as well. Runs great !
@vinceferraccioli4661
@vinceferraccioli4661 11 ай бұрын
Well, as a fellow Canadian. Me Ontario,if can figure this out oil mix. It would be great to use up some oil.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Indeed... this is why I have been struggling with so many tests. Failures often lead to you the solution. All of my testing has given me some fresh ideas.
@maartenslotboom3723
@maartenslotboom3723 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought about the air intake? to get fresh air into the engine. a normal diesel car also needs that. but in your case I see that the exhaust runs under the air intake. miss an idea to change that
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Later on in this video series I did do some porting to free up flow.... as far as the air not being fresh. The exhaust pipe carries the fumes away from the inlet. The air is a little warm, perhaps, but that is sort of the nature of the beast. It would be interesting to feed nitrous oxide or oxygen into it ... and see what happens ... until it melts, haha.
@Burnafatty420
@Burnafatty420 18 күн бұрын
I like your videos there very interesting. Pls be careful playing with fire and not getting burned. All the smoke coming from your exhaust wonder what your neighbors think? Lmao 😅😅. Keep the content coming friend.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment, and concern. I am more careful than I appear, but I do do silly things, and take calculated risks. My neighbours are really good... but I still try to shut things down as soon as I notice I'm causing a fuss... Cheers!!
@robertclark5752
@robertclark5752 2 жыл бұрын
Most other videos use less than 20 % used oil. Your the only one saying gasoline I have seen. May be your issue. Glad you are truthfully giving a real life situation. Thank you.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment !! For me, it is all about trying to find a cost effective way to burn the waste oil. If I add more than 25% diesel, then there is no cost savings to me over burning natural gas. The reason I'm trying gasoline is partly the cost, and partly on because it adds volatility and thins the oil... trying to replicate the burn characteristics of diesel by finding the right mix ratio... but, there may not be such a thing. (with gas) I am going to be trying to filter my oil better, as the quality of my oil (from air cooled engines) may be a large part of the issues. There are so many variables, so it is hard to get a definite answer to any testing that I do, but I'm still trying. Thanks again.
@robertclark5752
@robertclark5752 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I understand that. We were kind of thinking about using some old oil too. We don't have a lot but sure would save some money. We may get a heater too soon. Thank you.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertclark5752 If you end up getting one, make sure to do a little research and get one with a controller that has the ability to change the fan speed independently of the fuel feed... I think most of them have it in a hidden menu, but I made the assumption they all had it, and mine does not appear to... If you are paying with experimental fuels, it is a good idea to be able to keep your fan speed up and feed it lots of air, while limiting fuel flow to get a cleaner burn. The basic controls will automatically increase fuel and air speed at the same time, and this works ok for the intended fuel... but not so much with anything else. Check out David McLuckie's videos for lots of in depth info.
@MrRatkilr
@MrRatkilr 2 жыл бұрын
I bought one of these that heats coolant in engine block. For my old dodge Powerwagon. Got tired of having to plug it in. Now can just push button 15-20 minutes before work and coolant is warm enough to defrost windows. My garage air heaters are supposed to be just run on diesel. My water heating one in my old truck according to instructions can run on gas or diesel. But not both. Was in a rush before winter to get engine heater in. Did not have spare gaskets or parts for it. Been almost 7-8 weeks and it's running fine off gas in vehicle fuel tank. Don't even want to try to run gasoline in my garage diesel heaters.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrRatkilr That's awesome ! I've seen them in videos for heating the cooling system, but never in person. That's a great idea... I would be interested to see what they change to burn gas... I have seen people try to run the ones I have on gasoline, and it doesn't work well at all... Basically, the gas is too volatile and burns up rapidly and with a lot of pressure. That causes it to go out for a fraction if a second, and then light back up with a OOMPH again... it does this multiple times a seconds... If you have ever heard a pulse jet engine, that seems to be what is happening when they burn gas. I suspect that when they burn gas, they have a slightly different way of injecting the fuel and or a slightly different burn chambre that allows for a more gradual burn, perhaps actually injecting fuel at two different locations in the same chambre. Either way, that sounds like the answer compared to plugging in !
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw 11 ай бұрын
In my opinion for how cheap and efficient it is it’s not worth running waste oil but if your willing to put in the time to filter filter filter and set it up to start on diesel and switchover and also shut off on diesel it can work
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. For a lot of people who buy these heaters, they are doing so because they can't afford the cost of running their conventional heating system. Electric, propane or oil heat. My mother spends over 3/4 of her income on heating her house in the winter, as an example. For the cost of diesel where I am, it would cost $400 a month to heat my garage with one of these heaters, so that is the incentive for many to try to burn waste oil. While many have claimed that starting on diesel and switching, works in these heaters, it does not. Engine oil leaves behind ash when it is consumed, even new engine oil. These heaters plug very quickly when burning engine oil. Veg oil has glycerin and will also clog these heaters pretty quickly. I have about 30 more videos experimenting with waste oils.
@metalmicky
@metalmicky 2 жыл бұрын
If you used it on the floor it will heat the room more efficiently , heat rises so it’s going to cut off sensing the temperature a lot quicker .
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I will worry about how efficient it is when it runs for more than two days, haha. I just put it on the shelf as it was easy and out of the way. If I can get it to work dependably, I will install it under my bench on the other side of the shop.
@lieutenantcolonelnicholson9228
@lieutenantcolonelnicholson9228 2 жыл бұрын
Well you hit your 1K + subscribers, well done. I also saw the video with the guy saying he had burned everything in the Chinese heater for three years. Some people exaggerate which is a nice way of saying they are full of it. I appreciate your Chinese heater videos subscribed and THANKS! Keep up the good work!
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! The reason why I bought my heater is because of that guy who said he had burnt crap in his for 3 years... Full of crap and leading a lot of people into doing something dangerous and costing them money.... he is the reason I decided to do this series... So I guess.... "thank you" to that guy lol... 😂
@jimhofoss9982
@jimhofoss9982 Жыл бұрын
some oils, like synthetics, are harder to burn. You’ll want a high as possible burn chamber temperature to minimize carbon buildup. I’d tune that thing in a safe place, and get it running reliably before installing it in your shop! I’m glad it didn’t burn down ! I ran an asphalt plant for a decade…always ran used oil for heating the mix drum. Same principle, on a much larger scale. I’d have a circulation pump and filter baskets going 24/7 for the used oil, Heated tank(130°C). Oil pressure, filtration, blower speed, exhaust flow, are all critical to good burner performance. I’d have a burner tech flown in every spring for a “stack test”, which we had to pass before commencing production…he’d test not only for particulates, but for unburned gasses in the exhaust stack. We could “dial in” the burner, by monitoring the results from his probes, adjusting oil pressure and blower air “on the fly”. I was always in the drum cleaning out burner, usually once a week, and certainly before a stack test. There are alot of variables in your case, oil viscosity is important, too. Heated oil burns better, and so do thinner or lighter oils. Carbon is unburned oil and contaminants. Once you dial in your air fuel mixture, pressure, filtration, and oil viscosity, you are away to the races…and have better, longer lasting results. cheers!
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed comment. If you keep watching the series, you will see that I came to the same conclusion that it needed to be much hotter. I thankfully made it through lots of testing without any unintentional fires or CO poisoning... I have decided to change up my testing in the future... whenever that happens. I can look at my garage walls and see the soot. A system that self cleaned (mechanical) would be interesting, as you say, frequent cleaning is inevitable. Thanks again for the info / comment !
@DronesForGodsGlory
@DronesForGodsGlory 2 жыл бұрын
Compelling series my new friend...must see TV...lol...I can't stop watching😁thanks again for the tips and such...may God bless you..
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
So sorry that I missed your comment. I am not sure how this happened. Thank you for the comment and well wishes !
@KelkieFPV
@KelkieFPV 2 жыл бұрын
silencer is upside down. a little hole lt water out. u can tune these for differant fuels. fuel air mixture must be correct also takes 80watts on startup. i popped a few psu before working that out.
@KelkieFPV
@KelkieFPV 2 жыл бұрын
vortex in uk explains the fuel air settings
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. I am aware of the hole. It is the same as on most gas engines, to allow moisture out. This is not a problem if your muffler spends most if its time over 100C, or even over 50. I put the hole at the bottom as I was fairly certain that it would leak oil and didn't want to make a mess. I later removed it altogether.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
The controllers with green digits generally do not have an engineering menu that allows you to change mixture. Controllers with red digits indicate this feature.
@joergenpetersen
@joergenpetersen Жыл бұрын
Attaching your exhaust to your venting system, wouldn't that make a drag thru your exhaust, possible pulling unburned fuel into the exhaust pipe? And possible make the unit ignite the fuel in a wrong way due to to much air going thru the burner unit?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
The simple answer is "no". but also "yes" haha. If I turned the system on, and had a powerful fan, it could draw enough air to cause this effect. However, I do not run the system when using the heater. It is only convection current that pulls the exhaust fumes out. I address this concern in my latest video in this series (part 12)
@user-tn1hk6zm2freedom
@user-tn1hk6zm2freedom Жыл бұрын
I bought one of these heaters. I haven't used it yet. I plan to power it with a battery bank charged by a solar panel.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
That's a great ide ! You don't need much power. They draw 10 amps on start up, when running the glow plug, but then once it starts up, the plug turns off and they only draw 3-4 amps depending on pump and fan speed.
@dancayen7528
@dancayen7528 Жыл бұрын
Question for you? How much more cleaning can you reach with the baffle plate removed. I find that the fire chamber has to be as crusty free as possible, to burn longer with used oil. Finding a start from new install, it burned longer till the first cleaning. After a semi clean, carbon and crust, without a good chamber clean, it didn't take long to foul again. The exhaust getting red hot seemed to be a direct flow of gasses thru a carbon hole. Just my findings.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Hey. You are 100% spot on, and I will be releasing a video soon(ish) talking about this. I actually ended up cutting my burn chamber open to clean that area out... As long as it is clean, it starts flawlessly, doesn't make any funny noises and runs well. I'm now 11 videos deep into this testing and have found that the main issue I was having is keeping enough heat in the burn chamber while burning waste oil. I have installed a thermocouple onto the outside of the burn chamber, right where the oil goes in, and have been monitoring that temp and the results. Testing continues.
@enigmaticloremaster1700
@enigmaticloremaster1700 Жыл бұрын
Mine ran for 2 months every evening on a mixture of diesel , gasoline and filtered engine oil before I had to clean it. Had the same problem as you with oil dripping from intake hose. I found that Synthetic oil's don't combust properly and leave lots of tar and concrete type crap in the burn chamber, I will now run 40% used oil 50% diesel 10% gasoline. see how that goes. But will defiantly avoid synthetic type oils. I filter all the oil before mixing it. I also have 2 tanks and start it in diesel and shut it down burning diesel, But they are not as efficient as some say.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment ... This turned into a 30 part series and this is part two. I did end up trying lots and lots of different mods / mixes... Good luck with your heater.
@enigmaticloremaster1700
@enigmaticloremaster1700 Жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 yeah I am still experimenting with it. I was even considering getting an ultra sonic cleaner for the cleaning of the burn chamber, not too sure how well it will work, like the hype about these heaters you never know what is real or not. But for me I don't mind cleaning it once every couple of months or so. It is still saving me money compared to electricity or gas. But I find it seems to run better if you run strait diesel through it on start up and 10 mins before shut down. Seems to burn some of the unburnt oil left in chamber.
@JoelArseneaultYouTube
@JoelArseneaultYouTube Жыл бұрын
@@enigmaticloremaster1700 I don't think an ultrasonic cleaner is the ideal tool for cleaning these chambers out. I haven't tried it, but from what I have cleaned, I don't think it would work well. I believe either chipping away at it or sand blasting is the best option. I saved a lot of money this winter on heating, but I spent all of my time keeping the heater running, haha. Starting the heater and shutting it down on diesel is a great idea... I did get some positive results from this as well.
@enigmaticloremaster1700
@enigmaticloremaster1700 Жыл бұрын
@@JoelArseneaultKZbin Yes they are a bit of a labor but they are cheap to run. I recon they will gunk up no matter what fuel is used. But I did find out today when I dismantled it once again is that if you use pool acid- Hydrochloric acid used in salt water pools, it dissolves lots of the gunk quite quickly. And what ever is left after a few mins can be flushed out with water or chips out lots easier. It may have other effects over time but seems to work fine this first time around. I am also trying to put a bit of steel flyscreen mesh around the center burner thingy, it is a fiddle getting it in but don't know how this will affect the burn or the deposit build up. I imagine it will block up but will be easier to remove all the gunk as it will come out with the screen. See how it goes.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
@@enigmaticloremaster1700 ​ Hmmmm. Muriatic acid eh... pretty nasty stuff... I used to use it to strip aluminum off of cylinder walls and have played with ti fro removing rust and other things. I didn't experiment too much with any sort of mesh, but I have experimented with all sorts of other things. Good luck.
@ElevenD6
@ElevenD6 Жыл бұрын
Waste oil furnaces use a pre-heating block to pre- heat the motor oil. Thins out the viscosity.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I have had a few other people mention this as well, and have chatted with a few boiler and heater techs. In a later video in this series I have done some testing with preheating the oil 👍
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 Жыл бұрын
You might have to pressurize the oil through some filters. That is what I'm going to try from recycled cooking oil. Some dude knocked on the cafe's back door asking for recycling cooking oil. His tank had 2 filters on the bed of his truck. The truck ran on used cooking oil or whatever oil you put in it.
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 Жыл бұрын
I gladly gave him the used cooking oil. It was hard to get rid of it. I want to thin it out first so goes through filters easier. Maybe 2/3 cooking oil.
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 Жыл бұрын
I was an engineer in Albuquerque and was laid off. I was working at a friend's cafe when this alternative fuel truck pulled in running on cooking oil. My friend/ boss got me out there checking it out. He pressurized the tank and cleaned it all in the bed of the truck. It was so cool but more work than most people think.
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking about trying the same thing but on a smaller scale.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Very cool... and I can imagine that it is a lot of work.
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 Жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I've been watching videos on making biofuel and I'm starting to recall what that dude did to his alternative fuel truck. He was mixing alcohol with lye and then pouring that into the first tank with filtered cooking oil then heating the first tank with hot water from the motor. It would mix and work faster while he was driving. While he was sleeping it would settle and the biofuel would be on top and the glycerin dirty stuff would sink. The biofuel would get pumped into the biofuel tank.
@adrianarce9427
@adrianarce9427 2 жыл бұрын
We run the made German espar heaters in our trucks. Even those are finicky sometimes running straight diesel so I couldn't imagine running waste oil in them. We also have a waste oil heater for the shop runs great ran everything thru that but those do have tuning adjustments and after having it for a while you learn what it should sound like and go adjust it accordingly.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. You're not the first person to leave a comment about even the good ones being finicky. If I lived in a different place, I'd build a waste oil heater, but my location is not ideal for that. I grew up in a house burning firewood as our only heat source until I was 17-18, so I know all about playing with stuff to keep in burning and getting just the right sound. 👍
@howardosborne8647
@howardosborne8647 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 Interesting that you notice that good burner combustion has a particular sound to it. your ears get well tuned to it after a while. I can tell by the sound alone if my chinese import diesel heater is not burning correctly.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@howardosborne8647 Haha... yeah, I guess I'm a bit of an old school mechanic. When you get an engine close to working right you have to use other indicators, but when you're starting out you can often tell if an engine is too rich or too lean by the sounds it makes, or doesn't make. Also, I've been playing with this heater for a LOT of hours and I've learned that some sounds are good and some are bad, haha.
@CrazedCrittic
@CrazedCrittic Жыл бұрын
Just run the fuel to the specification it was designed for and not junk. I never can understand how people that have no idea how physics works try and modify equipment, then post videos saying that the equipment is at fault. These were never designed to burn waste oil and the results of doing so are obvious. Thank you for sharing your findings hopefully this will help educate those people before they burn their house down.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you're taking shots at me or other video creators... not sure if you watched my video, or the entire 30 part series that I did. I never once blamed the heater. These are amazing pieces of kit, and I just installed one in my truck. The point of this video, and this video series is to show people that there are many people out there telling lies about these heaters. Many people claiming that they burn just about anything, without issue.
@onatepp
@onatepp 11 ай бұрын
Why use a piece of equipment that is certified for a certain use in a different way?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Curiosity.... views....
@onatepp
@onatepp 11 ай бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 totally understandable. But on this case the correct title is not "don't believe the hype" but "let me fuck around with this".
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
@@onatepp I think you misunderstand the title "Don't Believe The Hype" as in, don't believe that these heaters can run on waste oil. There are a LOT of people on KZbin and on internet forums claiming that you can burn waste oil. When I was about to buy my first heater, I did what I always do and went on KZbin to do research. The first two videos that I watched were from a guy named Josh, claiming you could burn waste oil, and a video that he had linked where that person claimed to have been running their heater on waste oil for 3 years with no issues. I have since seen many more of these. "Free Energy" or "Cheap Energy" videos get hundreds of thousands or millions of views, so there are plenty of channels that made 2-3 videos claiming they had run their heaters, problem free on waste oil. They all claim some special thing they are doing, and it is all nonsense.
@onatepp
@onatepp 11 ай бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 free energy and cheap energy are non sense. But if you have a nlce little cute Maltese dog (the heater) and you want him to guard your home and you get robbed you cannot lower your expectations on the Malteses because they were not meant to do that. I have a heater and it runs on premium diesel and works perfectly. And I still save a lot of money. I think a better way to inform would be focusing on the actual savings rather that in exotic (and dangerous) experiments.
@josephdewuhan
@josephdewuhan 21 күн бұрын
And blame the machine for not working on fuel it is not designed for.
@breakfastbuddy5
@breakfastbuddy5 2 жыл бұрын
you are the first one that used motor oil, we learn a lot from you , the key is to start up and cooldown on cleaner oil , and replace that green supply pipe , its to soft for the pulse pump , code 8
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment . I don't know that I am the first... There are others that have tried it I'm sure. I will continue testing 👍 I have heard that about the fuel line, but I don't believe it to be true as the oil does not inject into the chamber... it just drools in like a sleeping drunk, haha.
@trdscfjc
@trdscfjc 2 жыл бұрын
Have you looked into the 55 gallon steel drum fireplace Conversions? They will run on a gravity fed waste oil very reliably
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment ! I have seen those and think they are a great idea, but not for my limited space and in my neighbourhood. I actually had collected a bunch of stuff to build a waste oil burner, and then decided not to based on where I live... Cheers
@BeeBeorn
@BeeBeorn 2 жыл бұрын
Its still cheap wen burning real diesel. And i pay like 9usd per gallon ( Sweden). Not a mechanic so no experiments for me. Well, we have this HVO, more expensive but farmer got better fuel economy on heavy equipment so i will test that eventually to see if i get even better "economy". Thanks for your testnig. Hapoy new year.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment ! Leave the experiments to me, haha. Diesel here is about $2/L kerosene $4/L so this is worthwhile testing.
@gutrali
@gutrali Жыл бұрын
Your glow plug only gets as hot as your battery can provide. I would put the battery on a charger. Watch how much better it lights when fed 14v.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I have my battery hooked to a charger 24/7 charging at 6 amps. My voltage is always 12 or 13 when the glow plug is on and 13 or 14 when it turns off. I've never had issues with my plug not getting hot enough. It is only used for starting. My heater generally starts fine, to the point where the glow plug shuts off... and then it struggles. Cheers.
@tokunevicius26
@tokunevicius26 2 жыл бұрын
I just got mine Chinese diesel heater, using couple of days, and it works ok, but i am runing on diesel, and mine is not glowing 😅
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Keep running diesel and I assume you will be okay. I have run diesel in mine for approximately 168 hrs with zero issues, in fact, when I take it apart afterwards, it is actually cleaner than when I put it together. Diesel has a LOT less crap in it than other fuels and especially waste oil.
@hansjansen7047
@hansjansen7047 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if you vented the exhaust directly outside, there would be less restriction and could get rid of the excess heat better. My experience is with a Webasto as a sleeper heater and it was sensitive to additives such as Howes but the exhaust heat was not even nearly as extreme as yours. It had no muffler and sounded like a jet plane taking off on full heat but when it reached set temp was much quieter. I used straight diesel though and with my second truck I stayed away from all additives and had no issues for ten winters.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input and your comment. I had thought about doing something with the exhaust, but then I noticed that they actually have it quite restricted inside of the exhaust port. This tosay, I don't think that the exhaust is the restrictive part of the system. I assume this is to keep more of the heat in the chamber instead of letting it exit the exhaust as waste. I thought about porting this out to make it flow better, but I don't want to change it until I have tried lots of other stuff. They burn such a small amount of fuel that I can see any mix / additive making a difference. Thanks again for the info !
@cowboy6591
@cowboy6591 Жыл бұрын
I noticed on RV's the muffler is at the very end of the exhaust, at least that keeps it from glowing red hot when something goes to the sharts.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
@@cowboy6591 Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I don't think they generally have too many issues with glowing exhaust when running on diesel, as intended, but I have heard of it happening.
@robertedwards87
@robertedwards87 2 жыл бұрын
do you have a inline filter?,i noticed in your previouse video you filtered your oil hwo fine it the filter as the 0.5/1 micron aqurium filters seem to be the best for filtering old oil.fuel wise id try 3 to 1 or 50/50 just to see which runs best or start and finish a burn using just diesel
@JoelArseneaultYouTube
@JoelArseneaultYouTube 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I also have an inline filter, yes. I need to get a better / fine filter... I've been trying to find some that fit over a 5 gallon bucket, but the finest I can find is 75 micron. Currently on my second day of testing a 3 to 1 mix with a few tweaks to the heater as well. I have gotten the advice to start and stop on diesel, the thing is that I start it and don't shut it off until it dies... The weather isn't too nasty here now (-7C) but it has been -30 for a few weeks, and at that temp, the heater needs to run 24/7 to keep the garage at 10 to 13C .... I have done some testing to see how much diesel cleans out the heater, and I suspect that if you ran the heater for 3-4 hrs and shut it down on diesel for an hour or so, it could actually keep it clean... The issue I have is even if I run mine for hours, it has so much crud that the diesel wouldn't clean it all out in an hour or two. I think I need better filtration and a way to control fan speed independently of the pump speed.
@robertedwards87
@robertedwards87 2 жыл бұрын
@@JoelArseneaultKZbin you can get 0.5/1 micron filters from amazon but they tend to have a big opening
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertedwards87 I'll have a look... If you're in the US...FYI... Amazon Canada doesn't have nearly as much stuff, haha.
@robertedwards87
@robertedwards87 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 im in the uk but usa has a lot more than the uk amazon
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertedwards87 Yeah.... I always see people say they got stuff on Amazon, I look here in Canada and NOTHING, haha. Cheers !!
@underscr0e
@underscr0e Жыл бұрын
Imagine if that exhaust hose could be used to heat the van with fins on it running thru the area needed to be heated then sent outside.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, for sure... I have heard of a few people doing this. I you want to or skip to part 20 something... I modify the burn chamber the the exhaust is a red flame throwing monster the whole time it's running, haha.
@peterstiopu6070
@peterstiopu6070 2 жыл бұрын
Your 90 degree bend from heater way to sharp, result high exhaust temp, remove muffler,straightenen the exhaust pipe with no bends, install fuel tank for used oil/fuel mix with separate fuel selector switch, start on clean diesel until operating temp, switch to used oil/fuel mixture, will operate more efficiently, note no restrictions on air inlet also, have 2 units running at -35 heating 40ftx8 shop unit, running great as above for 2 years
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry that I missed your comment. I see that you put effort into it. I have had many comments about the exhaust being too sharp or in the wrong orientation. While what you are saying is a good rule of thumb, I do not think that this is part of my issue, based on testing I did later in the series. The separate fuel tank is a good idea and I started doing this later in the series. It was one of the things that actually make some improvement.
@themowerman
@themowerman 2 жыл бұрын
You could also try and triple rap the exhaust in heat proof rapping . It helps the heat transfer..
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
That could help with not burning my property to the ground 🤟
@howardosborne8647
@howardosborne8647 2 жыл бұрын
The exhaust tube shouldn't be glowing red. Red exhaust is a sure sign that all the incandescent combustion isn't being completed inside the combuster tube and unburnt fuel is making it though to the exhaust which it never should do.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@howardosborne8647 Thanks for the comment. I do realize this and I'm working on solutions. Smoke and carbon coming out the exhaust are also clear signs that unburnt fuel is making through the exhaust. I'm hoping to get a controller / motherboard that will allow me to adjust the air fuel ratio and I have also been experimenting with different fuel mixes and ratios to try to sort this out.
@mrdanger4851
@mrdanger4851 Жыл бұрын
Run with it!!! Reclaim that heat from the exhause with a fan blowing over the exhaust!
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Haha... that's probably the best plan. It's all just heat.
@cookiecook7042
@cookiecook7042 2 жыл бұрын
Re Exhaust first psrt of the video was upside down, later part was the right way up did you alter it?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. I had the muffler on upside down on purpose at first ... I was aware of the weep hole, figured oil may build in the exhaust and didn't want to make an oily mess. In later videos / tests, I deleted the muffler altogether.
@adriennef1770
@adriennef1770 2 жыл бұрын
When you started having major problems were you running it with diesel or your excess fuel/ oil? What is your opinion of it using only diesel?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. This thing is awesome when running on diesel... not sure if you have seen my newer videos, but yes... Great little heaters and zero issues when running on diesel.
@henrikstenlund5385
@henrikstenlund5385 Жыл бұрын
You probably knew this already but if you burn used oils and other a bit viscous and dirty stuff, it is best to mix with pure diesel oil. Then it will burn cleaner.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. You are 100% correct. These videos will hopefully show others that waste oils are NOT a good idea, and save them from a lot of mess ! I now have 4 of these heaters and 3 of them run on pure diesel... no issues at all.
@Mstred
@Mstred Жыл бұрын
You could put a fan to blow on the exhaust and claim that as well!
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. That is a good idea ... a fan or a large heat sink.
@michellekonzack
@michellekonzack 11 ай бұрын
The chinese exhaust pipe is a very thin metal. Try to get in your prefered shop the ORIGINAL Eberspächer/Webasto exhaust pipe, which is MUCH heavier and secure. If you run the hearter in long term or permanent, SECURITY is first. Same count for the Muffler
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Yes... After messing with some of my exhaust for about a year, it is starting to develop some cracks. I was not aware that the Eberspächer stuff was any different. Thanks.
@YouThinkAboutThis
@YouThinkAboutThis 2 жыл бұрын
The old style you can set parameters like fan speed and pump speed. Maybe those burn waste oil better.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
I have been told that they are better and I have ordered that style ecu and controller. Cheers.
@outdoorsman357
@outdoorsman357 Жыл бұрын
You may need to run a 30 wast oil/40 diesel mixture
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
I have been considering jumping back into this and see what it would take. I have tried a few mix ratios and haven't found one that works yet.
@coachgeo
@coachgeo 2 жыл бұрын
would love to see your mods (the bracket) to tail end of your burner.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
You want to see me cap off the end of the burner where the flame comes out ? ... I'm not sure I understand. Sorry I missed your comment.
@coachgeo
@coachgeo 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927In the video you stated you took the back end of the burner chamber off to access it better for cleaning it out. Around time mark 9':47" in the video. You later mentioned you made a bracket for re-attaching it. This is what was referencing. Am curios the design of things on that back end too to see the path of heated/atomized fuel from screen....gets moved thru those fins in the back and out into the area it gets ignited. Never seen one with that rear plate off much less a bit of an inspection of the area
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@coachgeo In an upcoming video I cut it all apart on my lathe and take a look inside even closer.... and find a LOT of carbon. haha.
@underscr0e
@underscr0e Жыл бұрын
Those things seem to fail when it gets real cold out if you are not careful with the way you run it.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
I have dealt with -30C temps a few times this winter... Works fine on diesel ... Strange that... but waste oil is asking for trouble.
@nathanielwinkle1955
@nathanielwinkle1955 8 күн бұрын
I don't know if anyone has asked you do you think it would make any difference if you filtered the old oil first as I have used old hydraulic oil without any problems
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I'm curious how long you have used hydraulic oil for, or more importantly, what volume you have consumed. I have actually tried brand new oil, and it has the same issues. The problem is that engine oil is not refined enough. I have used ATF and a little hydraulic oil with more success. Success meaning that after 48 hours of use, the heater was still running fine. However, upon disassembly and inspection it was clear there was stuff building up. In these cases, fine filtration and / or a centrifuge, could greatly prolong the service clife, making it practical.
@nathanielwinkle1955
@nathanielwinkle1955 7 күн бұрын
@loweredexpectations4927 I only used about four and a half gallons (UK) used in geared headstocks about 40 years old it did look very clear
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 6 күн бұрын
​@@nathanielwinkle1955 If your diesel heater is your primary heat source, I would not risk burning anything other than diesel or kerosene. Regardless of this, it is a good idea to have some backup parts, and educate yourself on parts replacement (it is easy) or a backup heater. A chemist or someone who researches oils may be able to shed some light on this. Hydraulic oil may or may not have stuff in it that will cause deposits. If you are willing to chance sacrificing a chamber, then just run the hydraulic oil and see what happens. It should be noted that your heater may overheat or experience combustion outside of the burn chamber, not just issues with flaming out. This can cause a glowing exhaust or flames coming out the exhaust. Proceed with caution.
@nathanielwinkle1955
@nathanielwinkle1955 6 күн бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I have two heaters only have one running at a time but you're right I will watch what I burn i tend to run it on kerosene now without any problems.
@nathanielwinkle1955
@nathanielwinkle1955 6 күн бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I don't know if I am duplicating this message, l do have two heaters and usually run on kerosene but I will take your advice and stick to normal fuel oil, the heater has ran for over three years and has been ok, all the best.
@markcoyle8003
@markcoyle8003 2 жыл бұрын
Fire in the exhaust is from unburned fuel. You should be able to slow down the fuel pump by adjusting the Hz. You should also be able to adjust the fan speed. It might work fine if you find the right combination of fuel and air mixture to work with the fuel you are using. Good luck! Let us know. It should* help with the carbon buildup as well.
@JoelArseneaultYouTube
@JoelArseneaultYouTube 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Yes, slowing the hz relative to the fan speed would lean it out a little and help. Unfortunately, my controller does not have this ability. I have ordered one that will hopefully allow me to do this. I have heard that the trick is to increase fan speed to max 5000 rpm, and then decrease adjust the fuel (oil) accordingly. Some say no more than 3hz. we will see.
@2cyclebikeraricstreet195
@2cyclebikeraricstreet195 2 жыл бұрын
i don't think my controller allows me to adjust the fan speed or hz or fuel pump speed or current draw or fan current draw independently . im not sure what is happening, or needs to happen.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@2cyclebikeraricstreet195 Generally there is a 3 press or 5 press on the settings button that then asks you for a code. (1688) is the code for most. There are quite a few tutorials / informational videos on how to do this. My controller did NOT have this feature and I had to order another ECU and controller. Note that replacing the controller alone will not change the features (from what I understand) they are all stored in the ECU. As for settings, you can do it with a CO sensor, and try to get it to a point where it has reasonable CO, or you can add fuel until you see black smoke and then turn it down a few hz. David McLuckie has some good videos about this. Cheers.
@2cyclebikeraricstreet195
@2cyclebikeraricstreet195 Жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 ok ty for the tips
@coachgeo
@coachgeo 2 жыл бұрын
before you get all frustrated lol........ for your alternative fuels...... they tend to work better when you use them AFTER things are hot..... start on diesel or kero... get to temp... the switch via a valve? to the alt fuel tank. Shutting down after an say 20 min? on kero or diesel.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. I have been testing with starting on diesel and have had some promising results. The testing continues !
@Colin6712
@Colin6712 2 жыл бұрын
In the bottom of the burn chamber it looks like a washer but it's not it's a cap and under this cap you've got a wiremesh the diameter of the burn chamber this gets clogged up if you put a right angle pick under the cap you can slowly remove this cap pulling it from side to side you need to put penetrating oil into the burn chamber between that and the cap to try and break the carbon down it should slide outliving you access to the main coil of wiremesh
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. I cut mine open and it looks like that washer thing is welded in... I tried quite aggressively to get it to move and it wouldn't budge. I'm currently running mine without any mesh for testing... May put something in there soon.
@AM-es5up
@AM-es5up Жыл бұрын
Change the lower fuel line to a hard nylon tube… it will solve a few issues…..👍
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. This comment has been left on many of my videos many times. While it may seem logical, the fuel line has no effect on the operation of these heaters, as long as it doesn't get kinked. Others have made videos addressing this, and I plan on making a video directly addressing the reasons why, as well. Cheers.
@BCzepa
@BCzepa 2 жыл бұрын
i wonder if you can filter the crap out of the motor oil by using gelatin like robert murray smith did in his video making biodiesel from chip oil.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Hey... thanks for the comment... I have seen that video, someone else commented about it. I am also curious if that will work on motor oil as well. I might give it a go. Cheers !
@larrypawloski1786
@larrypawloski1786 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, very informative 👍
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@susanvaughn741
@susanvaughn741 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried preheating the air supply? I would make a heat exchanger to extract heat from the exhaust. Also preheat the fuel.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
All good ideas. I have tried heating the inlet air and it does in fact seem to smoothen out the combustion process, but I have not run any long term tests to see if it will help with the soot issues. I would like to have a heat exchanger that extracted heat from the exhaust and then heated the oil. Some have suggested heating the oil with copper pipe around the exhaust, but that could lead to some serious issues... Thanks for the comment !
@susanvaughn741
@susanvaughn741 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 I would try heating after the fuel pump. I don’t see what problems that could cause. I have two of these heaters and plan to install it outside and pipe the heat inside. They are made for semi trucks and are used in this way. I don’t want the smell of diesel or other inside my house. You could wire fire extinguisher to the unit so that if it burns up they go off put out the fire. I would take the tank off and mount it outside.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@susanvaughn741 I am currently running a test where I feed hot air into the inlet. I will let it run for 14 hours or so and then pull it apart to see what it looks like. The issue with heating after the fuel pump is that the pump is used to meter the fuel. Heating the fuel will almost certainly cause it to off gas. That will cause it to expand and bubbles to form in the fuel stream. As it expands, more fuel will be injected and when it gets to an area where there are bubbles, less fuel will be injected. Potentially, the heat from the exhaust could cause a whole bunch of fuel to be pushed in, as it burns it will create more heat and that would potentially cause more fuel to get pushed in ... and so on. It would eventually starve for fuel as it waited for the pump to catch up, but it would probably shut off when it starved. My setup is in need of some safety upgrades for sure !!
@keithwalton
@keithwalton 2 жыл бұрын
Additives to remove carbon (like a DPF cleaner) do so by increasing EGT (various ways of doing this) to burn the carbon off. I don't think you need anymore EGT! The gasoline is the likely cause of your burning exhaust as it has the lowest auto ignition temperature and if you get a build up from incomplete combustion at lower settings when you crank it up it'll light off. Carbon build up in the exhaust (silencer) can cause a restriction which will raise EGT's as it takes longer for the exhaust to leave at a higher pressure. As others have mentioned it has an intake duct in the kit. Use it to get it away from the exhaust.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that that's accurate... Typically additives in diesel engines are designed to be run through a catalyst, or the chemical itself acts as a catalyst and reacts in a way to clean stuff out... heat may be a result of the process, but it's not that the reaction causes heat that then does the cleaning. The cleaning causes the heat. I have played with heating and cooling the inlet. Heating seems to have the best results, but in the long term this causes the fan motor to fail... as me how I know :)
@MarkSkiles-d9h
@MarkSkiles-d9h 11 ай бұрын
you need to filter your used oil to 1micron to make it more usable and then add 10% clean diesel to make it burn more cleaner...
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment ! This is part of a 30+ video series and I do address this later in the series.
@josephdewuhan
@josephdewuhan 21 күн бұрын
It is designed for diesel fuel. You need to at least filter your waste oil and mix up to 50% diesel to make it work more smoothly.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment. If only it were that simple. The actual issue, after much testing, research and talking to dozens of people, is that heavy oil contains ash. Diesel and kerosene, for example, are refined from heavy oil, and have sulphur, and lots of other nasty stuff, refined out.... what you are left with doesn't leave behind crud when burnt. Oil, unfortunately, does. I have a video, later in the series where I burn brand new oil, to test the theory that my oil just isn't filtered enough.
@thebmac
@thebmac 2 жыл бұрын
I skipped the last 6 minutes..... but could the higher combustion chamber temps be from a wind outside blowing in to your ventilation vent and back pressuring the exhaust system?? and could the red hot exhaust be from turning on your ventilation system and drawing out the flame from the burn chamber? and though I have no experience with these (keyboard warrior!!) , I would think starting on clean diesel until fully warmed up would give the best chance? I guess i might find out when i watch the next two parts... thanks for doing all this though. all part of learning.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment ... others have suggested something similar to this, but I have tested the air flow with smoke to ensure that there was a steady flow of air to carry the fumes away. When I run the system, it doesn't have any perceivable effect on the heater. Haha... No worries... You didn't call me an idiot and pretend that you knew this was for sure the reason why I was having issues... It's a reasonable thought to have... air flow at the exhaust could change the way the heater works. You won't find those answers in the next two videos... I won't spoil it for you... I haven't yet tested starting it on diesel first, but over the last two days I have been preheating the fuel. Ran into a bit of a snag this evening that will set me back a little, but I'm still experimenting ! Cheers!
@user-tn1hk6zm2freedom
@user-tn1hk6zm2freedom Жыл бұрын
Have a very happy holidays!!!!!
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks !! Very kind, haha.
@motazbino2824
@motazbino2824 2 жыл бұрын
k it's overheating because the exhaust is right behind the inlet duct where the electronics are and the hot air is overheating the burner chamber to, relocation the exhaust away form the inlet duct will solve that problem. i fund that in German made heater manual. by the way if you mix old oil whith diesel 60/40 maximum and leave it in higher setting it will work.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
I can see why you would think that, especially if it says it in a manual, but I guarantee you it's not that. I won't try to explain in a comment, but I've done a lot of experiments and this is not my issue with overheating. I have tried up to 50/50 with no success. I did that for testing and because several people suggested, but at that mix ratio, it cost more to purchase diesel than it cost for natural gas. I'm trying to find a way and keep it cost effective. Cheers.
@Leroy100
@Leroy100 2 жыл бұрын
Mixing gas with diesel. Has your insurance company seen this video and cancelled you yet?🤣
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Haha... Gasoline isn't that dangerous.... More dangerous than diesel or oil, sure. You should see what happens when you pour gasoline into the inlet hole on the heater when its running 🤟
@rogerbartlet5720
@rogerbartlet5720 2 жыл бұрын
I had mine up and running in about an hour from box opening. I use diesel fuel from the filling station. The unit works every time, performs well and I see no carbon accumulation. The manual on the manufacturers web site said nothing about putting used oil in as fuel and common sense would tell me that's a bad idea anyways.
@ricksmall9781
@ricksmall9781 2 жыл бұрын
i bet you are a blast at parties
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, these things are wonderful as diesel heaters ! I'm glad you are having luck with yours... Mine also runs well on diesel, but that is not what I bought it for. I bought mine because people said that they would work great on waste oil ... I have waste oil... so I thought I'd give it a try. Hopefully these videos show people that if you burn the wrong fuel in these they will be problematic and maybe even dangerous. Cheers.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricksmall9781 LOL... play nice.
@underscr0e
@underscr0e Жыл бұрын
lol....burning crap...might have to clean that chamber and other parts every 2 days! Kerosene with a wee bit of used oil may work for a month.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Haha... Yeah... I just released part ... 23 today (I think) , so I know all about burning crap and cleaning it out, haha. I have tried mixing with a few things, but not kerosene as the price of it here is insane... over twice the price of diesel. Apparently, in some places it's much less than even heating oil.
@simux008
@simux008 2 жыл бұрын
See if you could exploit your super hot exhaust with an EGR cooler assembly as it could recover some heat into water. Also the higher temp should burn some stuff easier. Try DPF cleaner as this is soften the ash and gunk and lower its burning temperature.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Haha... yeah, there's lots of heat in the exhaust to be recovered... maybe if I can get this to work dependably, then I'll consider that. I will have to look into DPF cleaner. 👍
@jorgruthschilling
@jorgruthschilling 2 жыл бұрын
Typical maximum temperature of the diesel heater's exhaust should be below 270°C . Hot metal starts glowing red at 400°C (750°F). But to me it looks at least to be at 600°C (1100°F).
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Yup... this is likely a low grade stainless steel so about 460C ... That's what happens when you have the combustion process happening outside of your burn chamber. (and in your exhaust) Pretty exciting.
@OneWhoWas
@OneWhoWas Жыл бұрын
​@@loweredexpectations4927 You just enabled the second burning chamber. Skills...
@JoelArseneaultYouTube
@JoelArseneaultYouTube Жыл бұрын
@@OneWhoWas HAHA ! #afterburner
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
@@OneWhoWas I always forget to switch accounts before replying to comments. I'm going to have to block this "joel arseneault" guy.
@ED209no
@ED209no 2 жыл бұрын
You should defiantly watch more clips how other people do it. What I have learned is that you should mix the oil with diesel 1 to 3. Also you should do a heat up process with pure diesel until its hot, then introduce the mixed oil.
@ED209no
@ED209no 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, and no wonder your muffler is red hot, because you had introduced forced draft through the burning chamber using your ventilation. It's supposed to blow fumes out, not being sucked through.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments and suggestions ! I have now watched lots of videos... I'm still not convinced either way. I have tried running mine at up to 50% diesel, and it still only lasted 2 days before needing to be cleaned. I haven't yet tried starting it on diesel. That might help, but generally my heater runs hot (206-212 C) I am still experimenting and hoping to find something that works trouble free.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ED209no I can't blame you for thinking that due to my setup... but I wasn't running the ventilation system. I only run it if it gets really smoky, I'm running an engine , welding or something like that. The exhaust exits the garage via convection current. I'm pretty sure what caused it to burn is that I had been running it at full heat, I noticed a temperature drop and turned the heater down, and then back up again to try to make it recover. This was enough for it to ignite the soot and garbage that had been building up outside of the chamber and in the exhaust. When I took it apart after this, the inside of the chamber was very dirty, but the outside was unusually clean as was the exhaust.
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 2 жыл бұрын
If anything that would make it leaner. The real issue is that you cannot atomize nor burn motor oil at room temperature, mixing with gasoline doesn't really help it will just burn the gasoline vapour leaving yhe heavy oil such is exactly what it does. It can be done by preheating the oil in a 6mm copper tube wound around the exhaust but its a faff and you'd need to switch to diesel before shutdown and to start otherwise you're going to have a bad day.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@dr_jaymz I'm guessing you're referring to pulling the exhaust through as making it run leaner ... absolutely, more air flow and the same fuel = more lean... but yeah, I'm not running the fan, and even if I was, there's not enough flow to change anything. Oil is indeed a problem to burn... it's intended not to burn and sometimes has additives to stop it form doing so... that makes it a better oil, haha. The hopes and dreams of this heater are that the chamber gets hot enough around the flame front, that the oil vaporizes on entry... They put a little thought into this, as the area that allows the air to flow in evenly protrudes into the flame front and the base of it is attached where the fuel comes in. It seems as tho it is designed to pull heat from the combustion and bring it back to the flame initiation point. I have found what you say about mixing gasoline to be true (so far) it flashes / burns off rapidly and the oil is left behind. I'm guessing that preheating the oil could work, the issue that I would have with that is that the temp of the exhaust changes drastically, and there is not much oil flow... I suspect that this would cause two issues. 1. oil cooking inside the preheating tube 2. As the oil heats up in the tube, and especially if it gasses, that would cause inconsistent feed into the burn chamber... the heat could act as a secondary pump.
@alecjames1426
@alecjames1426 2 жыл бұрын
Make sure you try to point the exhaust down then dog leg the exhaust and only put your bend at the end and make sure your air in is no where near the outlet it does help, paraffin or methanol mix runs well 15% mix works well 👍
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips ! Appreciated. I have looked into paraffin and it could be a cost effective additive... Have you tried this yourself ? Just wondering because I'd like to know if you're running factory pump and fan speed? ... and if so, do you know your pump hz and fan speed ? Sorry for all the questions, but people seem to have very mixed results, and I would like to be able to figure out why. I have tried methanol, for example, (not at that ratio) Mine waw oil, diesel and methanol. I'm actually planning on posting a video about it soon. The results of the test were not at all good, so I'm curious as to why. Sorry if there's any confusion. I replied to you at first while logged into my other account.
@alecjames1426
@alecjames1426 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 hi normally run my heater on heat setting 4 oil filtered out and minimum 15% paraffin if you can go in your settings make sure your fan does not go below 2500 rpm, I know what you mean seems like the world is jumping on the let’s make a video without any research I have one in my garage running oil and paraffin only issue I found was when the oil is well used and it’s viscosity is a bit thick it’s an issue but I just make the mix 20% paraffin then 👍the one in my landrover has run on home made bio fuel same as the truck itself for 4 years oh nearly forgot if you run it on low turn it up full blast for a good 10 mins helps with carbon 👍😕
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@alecjames1426 Thanks for the reply ! It looks like I may have to get a different controller, as mine does not have the functionality to even see fan speed, from what I can tell... likely because it's imported into Canada. I have tried to find the "secret menu" with no luck. Good stuff... I appreciate all the info !
@1FishinAddict
@1FishinAddict Жыл бұрын
Watching this again, I’m thinking that exhaust gas In basically unburned vapor and if you can use a turbo to redirect it back I go the burning chamber then it’ll be used up and sound like a jet plane taking off 😂 that’ll be awesome my dude!! 🎉🎉🎉
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
🤣 Haha... yeah, you're basically talking about building a jet turbine. That could work !
@cookiecook7042
@cookiecook7042 2 жыл бұрын
Hi I notice your exhaust is on upside down, there is a little drain for any moisture to drain out & they are not sealed well it should be on the outside preferably on the end of exhaust or you will get carbon monoxide leakage.Totally agree with you should be run on diesel as there ment to, kirosene is ok now & then but its the diesel oil that lubricates the little pump. Like the video👌
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment ! I am aware of the hole in the muffler. Almost everything with a muffler has a muffler drain. 👍 I should have mentioned it in the video, as several people have mentioned it now, haha. So, the reason why I installed it the wrong way up, is because I was worried if it flooded with fuel, the fuel would come out the exhaust and drip onto my shelf... It turns out that the fuel will come out the intake. If you look at the opening clip where my muffler is glowing red, you can see that it was later installed the right way up. Thanks for your concern about the muffler and carbon monoxide. I'm not really worried about a little carbon monoxide leak as I won't be sleeping in the garage. I have a detector and if you are awake, symptoms of poisoning make it pretty clear that something is wrong long before it is harmful. I have since removed the muffler and am running the exhaust directly into the duct. Again, thanks for your comment, concern and advice !
@ΧρήστοςΜπαντάζος
@ΧρήστοςΜπαντάζος Жыл бұрын
also you had exhaust upside down. and most important you change the fuel hose that was on the machine to bigger diameter without mention it
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
You start with "also" but I don't see a previous comment from you... sorry if I missed it. Yes, I'm aware of the condensate hole in the muffler, it is not an issue as my exhaust is indoors and remains too hot for condensation. I have since completely removed the muffler. I know that a lot of people claim that fuel hose matters.... but it doesn't. I will be doing a video addressing this directly, and the video that I'm releasing this Sunday briefly explains why it doesn't matter. There are a lot of misconceptions about this.
@PeterWinnett
@PeterWinnett 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most realistic video on these heaters I have seen. I have just bought one for my Garage but have used one before on my Boat. I see some other people have asked for a step by step breakdown on how to strip it down and clean the combustion chamber. This would make a great Video and put you in the top 5 of Diesel Heater engineering Vids :)
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter !! I appreciate the comment. I have a few videos already filmed that will be released first (I assume) but I will do a in depth disassembly and cleaning video. If you are burning diesel or kerosene, I suspect that you would only have to do this every few years. They are not hard to work on / maintain so I will try to get something up for you soon.
@PeterWinnett
@PeterWinnett 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 Can I ask you what the Inner and Outer dimensions of the exhaust pipe are? Cheers, Pete
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@PeterWinnett The flexi exhaust pipe or the outlet ? The flex pipe is a 24mm inside diameter and the outside is only slightly larger at 24.4mm. It is paper thin.
@PeterWinnett
@PeterWinnett 2 жыл бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 Thanks very much, it's no wonder it glows red hot :)
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
@@PeterWinnett Yes... if it wasn't stainless steel it would probably only last a week. It's very thin.
@eremoshomestead7406
@eremoshomestead7406 2 жыл бұрын
Ok so this works great on diesel fuel....BUT.....will it work on Bio-diesel or vegetable oil?????? What if you can't get diesel? What alternative fuels will this run off of? I've never seen ANYONE do a review like this!!! Oh yeah it's great when everything is fine like now.....but what happens if the grid goes down and you can't get diesel because the gas pumps don't work? or what if there isn't any diesel available anymore????? What would the alternatives be with this heater? Good question right?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, all great questions... I plan on doing some experiments. I have been thinking about using the heat from the exhaust to "gasify" different "fuels" and then feed that gas into the inlet port as fuel. This would allow you to burn basically any bio material as fuel. I'm not sure that I will ever get around to this, but it's an interesting idea.
@delvinal5583
@delvinal5583 11 ай бұрын
18 min in you have a stack fire-stop that thing. its your fuel .You need to go 2 tank system with waste oil heated. Start and end run on the light oil, run on thicker stuff after it is preheated. It has to go through the same nozzle as the kero, it ain't right unless it's hot. Cut the leg of a pair of pants, sew the cuff end shut. Use it as a filter for the wvo. hang it and pour through. If you can let the wo settle 6 months it helps. Don't use the bottom stuff. I burn wo in a wo furnace, the stuff is preheated by an inline heater before being sprayed/atomized in through a big nozzle, Water doesn't burn well, and some wo has a lot. It sizzles and sputters. And no bar oil and no brake fluid. No waste hyd oil from a bucket truck- they usually use non flamable stuff.Keep trying I say.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I learned a cool trick ... If you want to direct someone to a part of a video you can type it like this 18:00 and when they click it, it takes them to that point.... pretty cool. Yes, the fuel doesn't burn completely in the chamber, so it ends up burning in the exhaust... a lot of fun but not the safest thing ever. I have several more videos trying to burn waste motor oil in these heaters. Let's just say they aren't waste oil burners, haha. These heaters do not spray fuel ... it drools in and burns like a candle, basically. I'm still trying. Cheers and thanks for watching !
@clydedigital
@clydedigital Жыл бұрын
It’s almost as if the diesel heater is trying to tell you something - “I’m a diesel heater, for burning diesel!” What the hell is the attraction with burning used engine oil and cooking oil anyway? And who has spare used engine and cooking oil in their lives? Absolutely nuts.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
I know right... Why don't they change the name on the box to "waste oil heater" ... it would make things so much easier. There are a few attractions to burning waste oils. For lots of people they are free or very cheap. I am a mechanic and I end up with lots of engine oil. Others have arrangements with restaurants. The restaurant doesn't have to pay a disposal fee whoever takes it gets low cost fuel. While these heaters are less than ideal for burning this stuff, this is a very common thing and you can buy waste oil furnaces. Many automotive shops use them. For me, at this point, it is a desire to tinker and experiment. At the time of making this video, it was because I was selling my belongings to buy frozen pizzas and didn't have money for heat.
@ChippyOutdoors
@ChippyOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
50/50 fouled mine up bad. I did a video last week on it with same end results. Cleaned tried 10% used motor oil and it caused hard starts again. New engine oil seem to work better at 10% vs used
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. It seems as tho people have varying results. There are many different factors that come into play such as heater set up, oil quality and altitude. I have done a whole bunch of testing now. I'm going to try working with some additives, but I believe the most likely solution is going to be paying with air fuel ratios. I have ordered another controller and hopefully I can crank the fan speed up to max and then tune the mixture with the fuel pump. Even at 50% diesel I had issues and testing was only because it was recommended. It would not be an economical solution when compared to the price of natural gas.
@singletrack_garage3176
@singletrack_garage3176 Жыл бұрын
Mix oil to kerosene should help. Wan't be perfect but might work 🙂
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment ! Others have suggested this as well. Maybe I will try.
@tomf1408
@tomf1408 2 жыл бұрын
First of all, I appreciate your Christmas video. Number two there's this guy I forget his name, but he double filters his waste oil. Using what looks like some kind of water filter system. He's saying you can't have any kind of impurities in the used oil. Then he cuts it with 1/3 diesel. He States he's been running this thing for over a year now with no real issues. I wish I can link that video to you. But he is double filtering used oil. And like I said mixing with 1/3 diesel.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment ! I appreciate the input, for sure. I filter my oil before mixing, and have a filter on the unit, but I should be using a finer filter system, probably. Waste motor oils will have all sorts of contamination from the combustion process, as well as metals from engine wear, and lots of additives that they add to the oil to make it better at being oil, haha.... I am still experimenting and hope to find something that works. I think that filtration is a HUGE part of the battle as whatever contaminants are in the oil will end up in the heater... sooooo, that's a problem if they don't burn.
@martynjones973
@martynjones973 2 жыл бұрын
Fuel line needs to be hard nylon you can get a kit, exhaust needs to go down hill all the way and fibreglass wrap it would be safer, exhaust should all be outside asap including muffler, if you are going to use old engine oil open up some old hard drives one use the strong magnets on a stainless steel filter or purchase some strong magnets 🧲 on the outside of the filter to remove some of the metal particles
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I have heard the hard fuel line argument a few times and have also seen that David McLuckie debunked that idea with actual testing. The only good reason to have the exhaust go down is to have the condensate drain off, and as you can see, my exhaust is too hot for water to condense. I am aware that my exhaust system is dangerous, both for heat and for fumes... I may deal with it at some point. That's an interesting idea with the magnets... It will remove metals that are magnetic.... I have two really intense magnets (huge ones) I'm going to drop them into a bucket of oil and see what happens, haha... Will be cool, and will help some... but there is an issue... Most metals in engines are not magnetic. Aluminum, copper, brass etc... Still... it will remove the stuff that is magnetic. Cheers !
@yinglyca1
@yinglyca1 Жыл бұрын
Your muffler is supposed to be outside with the drain hole on the muffler facing down.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I know about the weep hole. Due to my experimental usage, I was worried that I would get a lot of "flooding" and didn't want oil dripping onto my shelf. It should be outside. The manufacturer makes this clear in their instructions. I also generally try to make it clear in my videos that people should not do things as I do. The heater was installed how and where it was to make experimenting with it / working on it easier. I will be releasing a fairly in depth video tomorrow about carbon monoxide, formaldehyde and volatile organic compounds in the exhaust on these heaters. I ran my heater, venting the exhaust indoors for 2 hours with a few meters checking the air quality. I also ran my truck in there for comparison.
@MrDmmeeks
@MrDmmeeks 2 жыл бұрын
That exhaust glowing reminded me of a truck going thru a Regen...
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. Well... Perhaps all this burning is a good thing then 😁 Just going through regen, haha.
@Chisos1
@Chisos1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in the composition of the solids remaining after combustion using waste oil, obviously from your work/shop and is it mostly carbon or could it possibly be metallic in composition, which is causing your problems. I'm presuming your oil has, in some part, come from engines which have suffered catastrophic internal damage and I'm wondering just how much powdered metallic "fines" are contained in your waste oil and is your filtration system (diaper/cloth?) really up to catching these. I'd save some of the solids you've removed from the unit and get them analyzed for metal content. An easy way is call around to some of the bigger scrap metal yards and see if they have an XRF gun (most of them do) and if they would mind shooting your solids sample to check for any metals present. The gun will tell what metals are present and the percentage of each of the metals in the sample. Another way of detecting metal in organics would be to send a sample of your waste oil to one of those automotive engine oil analyzer companies. If you find a significant presence of metal in your sample, it's time to figure out a good filtration system to get rid of the metals before burning the oil in your heater.
@trikator
@trikator 2 жыл бұрын
If that is the problem he could put a very strong magnet into his tank to get metal particles out
@wallacegrommet9343
@wallacegrommet9343 2 жыл бұрын
Typical elements in oil are zinc, phosphorus, calcium, boron, sulfur compounds These are added by the oil manufacturers to provide wear protection, improve heat stability, and suspend contaminants.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to have the deposits analized... I'm not so sure that it would be interesting tho. I have got it to run better a few times and the deposits were more like off white ash. The oil is mostly form air cooled lawnmower engines. General service oil, not catastrophic failures. I can't imagine having it analyzed would be cheap.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Most engine metals are not magnetic. Aluminum, brass, copper etc. I did do this test and found there to be some ferrous materials in my oil, but that's not the main cause of the issue. Cheers.
@MrLocomechanic
@MrLocomechanic 11 ай бұрын
Yeah they’re not made to burn waste oil and that means leaning it out too. Diesel and kerosene only. I’ve had one for over a year now and 0 problems.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Yeah... I have 4 of these heaters and the 3 I run on diesel have no issues, haha. This whole video series is to show the issues / challenges with burning waste oils, because there are a lot of people claiming that you can.
@robertcowden9484
@robertcowden9484 Жыл бұрын
If someone sees it burning this hot and they keep running it looks like they are trying to collect a insurance check. They sell it as a diesel burner seem it's you that is trying to change what it really is
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
It may look like I'm careless, but much of that is for entertainment purposes. There are a LOT of people claiming that you can burn all sorts of stuff in these without any troubles, so this is a series of videos showing people my experience. Amazing little heaters for burning diesel !
@bibzo1
@bibzo1 Ай бұрын
why would you put unfiltered crap oil over a burner and expect a clean burn ??
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Ай бұрын
Lol... because other KZbinrs made claims that they had been doing it for 3 years trouble free... I thought they might be exaggerating... but not right out lying. PS... the filter doesn't matter much. It's the fact that it's oil, and oil is not refined for use as fuel.
@bibzo1
@bibzo1 Ай бұрын
@@loweredexpectations4927 it is an oil heater it will have carbon and will need cleaning, It is the fact of running oil
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Ай бұрын
@@bibzo1 It sure is. The great thing about this video series (and this video) is now, thousands of people, who don't know the reality of burning oil, now see that it's not quite as simple as others make it seem. There are still dozens of channels that release videos saying you just need to dilute the oil with diesel or gasoline, and all will be fine. Here's a link to a guy with 800k subscribers and the video has 441k views... and his video is full of misinformation. Once I figured out that oil wouldn't work, I just kept making videos, and am still making videos about it. 1. People love it 2. So that people see it is a huge mess.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Ай бұрын
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@JoBosman
@JoBosman Жыл бұрын
Chinese diesel heaters are not made to burn other fuels. The ones who does get problems also the ones who do some modifications. . The same problem. I have a chinese diesel heater in my vessel and use only red diesel . already 3 years . 3 strong winters and not any problem. From 15 oktober till 15 may each year continue used.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
This is very true... They work very well on diesel. I have used mine on diesel for many hours with no problems, but oil always causes a problem. I have 28 more videos of testing, haha.
@vinceferraccioli4661
@vinceferraccioli4661 11 ай бұрын
You have the heater too high on the wall. To read temperature.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 11 ай бұрын
Yes, the idea of this "install" is less about heating my garage, and more about testing the heater. I wanted it to be out of the way, yet easy to access for when I needed to work on it. If you continue on with the series, you will see it gets worked on a LOT, haha... because it is misused and abused.
@wallacefrey6247
@wallacefrey6247 2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from subscriber 77.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Wallace !! I see you got on board with the folks over on Patreon ! I'm a little busy for a proper welcome, due to Christmas and stuff, but I will get to it as soon as possible. Thanks for the subs !!
@nikitamckeever5403
@nikitamckeever5403 2 жыл бұрын
Wow , dang boy you gonna burn it all down . Guess you found the afterburner setting 😂
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Haha... they make a controller for these called the "After Burner" ... apparently that was installed on mine from the factory.
@richardtaylor4046
@richardtaylor4046 2 жыл бұрын
Also your silencer ( which is not really required) should be mounted outside and you also have it upside down! the vent should be at the bottom.
@marilynreno7510
@marilynreno7510 2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
SO many people have said this now, haha. I'm aware of the condensate hole, I was aware of it at the time and thought oil night drip out so I mounted it upside down ... there's no condensate when your pipe is 200C . I think part 2 might be the only video in the series that doesn't show the muffler glowing red at the intro of the video... anyway, if you see that you can see it's on the right way after I realized oil comes out the inlet when it floods and not the exhaust. I took the muffler off after it melted all the internals.
@Z-Ack
@Z-Ack 2 жыл бұрын
Iterally every auto shop around town all use waste oil heaters for shop heat and all work flawlessly without ever having to clean them at all.. theyre oily black messes of death but they work without error.. unless they put anything besides oil in them.. like anything besides oil, tranny fluid, gear oil or diesel.. as soon as they put in brake fluid, antifreeze or god hope not gasoline the machine will let them know they messed up by blowing the combustion chamber apart.. i remember when a tech dumped in 10 gallons of gas when he had to replace a fuel tank and that shop no longer exists.. lol. It totally burned down the shop when it exploded and blew the shop bay doors off.. nobody was hurt besides the eardrums of the tech..
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I missed your comment. I have heard from a whole bunch of oil burner techs... some for power plants and others who service garages / shops, and they all say that waste oil burners require a lot of maintenance and frequent cleaning. Sounds to me like you are talking about stories you heard about on the internet or from around the campfire, and not from experience. Brake fluid is used to thin diesel / keep it from gelling, in some parts of the world. I'm not sure that it is a good idea, but people do it. I have personally had a jerry can of gas catch on fire in my hands, at least 3 times, and if you don't panic, and put your hand over the opening... the flame goes out in a few seconds. It is scary, as the can expands and hisses. Not panicking has likely saved my life a few times. My father got 3rd degree burns on his face and much of his body from fumes inside of a jetski hull "exploding" and throwing gas on him... Not harmed at all by the "explosion, only the burns. Messing with gasoline can be dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as people think it is. It requires a fairly specific air fuel ratio to ignite and doesn't really explode... it expands rapidly. For the shop explosion that you are talking about, the air and fuel ratio would have had to be around 13:1 and distributed evenly. Not only that, but the explosion couldn't have been contained to the burn chamber, as that quantity of gas fumes would not be enough to blow doors off. The mixture would have had to have been distributed fairly evenly throughout a large portion of the shop air volume. If anyone was there they would have had to ignored this obvius smell of gas as the human nose can pick up gas at 1 part per million ... PS. They sell these haters specifically designed to run on diesel and gasoline.
@seymourpro6097
@seymourpro6097 2 жыл бұрын
Chinese diesel heaters run OK on diesel, probably on kerosene but NOT on petrol or lube oil. Anyone with success uses diesel with maybe a little (10% ?) used lube oil and perhaps up to 5% of petrol/gasoline to reduce the viscosity. At this point it's dubious whether there is a financial saving, especially if you need frequent services and service parts.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I'm hoping that my videos show that any fuel other than diesel might give you troubles.
@shawncell1247
@shawncell1247 2 жыл бұрын
siegler oil stove with parasitic pump. and very small computer fan on bottom intake. you will have blue flame out of waste oil, then get stack controls for 6" stove pipe . wire the pump into it , now you have a way to burn waste oil safe and clean . clean stove every 3 to 4 days as it will get a little sludge build up. you don't have to filter the oil. only if it has chunks in it tubing pump can pump a lot of crap
@billvandorn5332
@billvandorn5332 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, sounds like the oils are inconsistent and thick preventing proper flow and incomplete burning. Wondering if the flue needs adjusting/auto adjust
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
If I lived in a different location I would just build a waste oil burner yes !! 🤟
@trikator
@trikator 2 жыл бұрын
How about 2/3 of diesel and 1/3 of waste oil?
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
I have tried a few different mixes. I will continue to experiment and try that. Thanks for the comment !
@seancassidy3257
@seancassidy3257 Жыл бұрын
I'm a boat diesel mechanic also own 1988 Ford F-350 with a 7.3 l IDI diesel these engines will run on anything but you cannot really run a diesel engine on used motor oil you need what's called black diesel a mixture or used motor oil and gasoline straight motor oil with produce a lot of carbon equivalent to a engine with high oil consumption the baffle holds in the heat to keep the flame going diesel engine rely on high heat to stay running even with an active glow plug it can't maintain the heat without a baffle your flame is going in and out because of your fuel not being combustible enough
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure what baffle you are referring to ... I don't recall removing a baffle. These heaters burn diesel, but are more like a kerosene lantern than a diesel engine. The fuel dribbles in and is not injected under pressure... despite what a lot of people seem to think. I agree that diesel and oil requires lots of heat to keep it burning properly. I have done a lot of testing and modifications to try to achieve this in future videos.
@oojimmyflip
@oojimmyflip 2 жыл бұрын
everyones a learner sometimes, they dont catch fire thats a load of crap, you can throw a lighted ciggarette into a vat of road diesel and it will simply go out. diesel must be atomised and or compressed to ignite it. dont run it at low settings all the time run it at ful, chat 5 mins before shutting it down and always start it up at max temperature before turning it down low and it should keep the burn chamber clean. The glow plug breather hole may be clogged up pull the glow plug out and there is a metal screen beneath it , clean the screen with a blowtorch and clean out the breather hole beside the screen on the side of the glow plug hole and you should be good to go. no need to remove the baffle just heat the inside of the chamber with a blow torch it will disintegrate the carbon so you can tap it out. I noticed that your exhaust silencer is upside down, there is a breathe hole in the bottom of it that lets condensation out of the exhaust system or it can build up with water in the silencer making combustion difficult, ideally the muffler needs to be outside as Carbon monoxide can escape from this breathe hole, I hope your running a Carbon monoxide alarm near the heater. with two layers of exhaust bandage I can hold onto the exhaust with my hands. a red hot silencer like that suggests it is overfuling have you been into the extra settings menu and changed the fuel air settings ? you should be able to touch the muffler with your hands in normal running. they really dont get that hot. the code for the type of controller you have is 6006 to get into the special settings menu on a 2kw heater and on the 5kw heater it is 1688. you probably need to adjust the air flow to add more air to the mix. look up the settings for the blue controller on youtube it may help. cooking oil needs 50% gas or petrol mixed with it to run it. my 75 amp car battery last 3 days on my 2kw heater and it is running at least 10 hours a day, I have the same lcd screen as you do.
@loweredexpectations4927
@loweredexpectations4927 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for the detailed comment. I think maybe you misunderstand... The units don't catch fire... the internals of the exhaust catch fire and glow red... I have thrown a match into a container of diesel and watched it go out . I run mine full bore 24/7 and don't' shut it down at all, it runs for 2 -4 days max and builds up so much carbon it shuts off... In fact I have to go clean it now after doing another experiment. I am aware of the glow plug and the hole, mesh and have cleaned it several times. Map gas might get hot enough but I have not been able to get mine hot enough with a propane torch to clean it out well. At one point my muffler was upside down as I was afraid that oil might come out and drip on my shelf. I now know that it will come out the inlet first so I flipped the muffler, you can see that when it's glowing red, haha. I have actually removed the muffler now. The exhaust caught on fire because of fueling issues, yes...There are at least two different blue controllers that look like mine. I have tried getting into the extra settings, and even tried some of the more straightforward menus, and mine is not the same. I have purchased a new controller so that I can hopefully adjust my air fuel ratio to something that makes more sense I have a carbon monoxide detector in my garage, thanks for the concern. I have been testing all sorts of different fuel mixes and can't seem to find a magic mix. Cheers !
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