Real world test! 2021 Ford F-150 Hybrid vs Nissan Titan 5.6L V8

[@czar2321]

My 20’ Titan pro 4X gets: 15mpg mixed driving 18-19mpg highway 11mpg towing (24ft travel trailer) 12,500 rust free miles on her😎

[@GeorgeSawtooth]

I've had a few Nissans of the years and was always impressed with them. They come with a spray-in bed liner (which should be standard in all trucks) and have just as many bells and whistles as the big 3 but with a lower price. Just recently I traded a 2016 Frontier and for a 2019 Tacoma and I gotta say the Frontier was a better truck overall. The only downside is that it didn't retain the value like a Toyota.

[@plmn93]

Tacoma is the most overrated truck ever. Good off road, reliable, and that's about it.

[@saudotibi6709]

It's more comfortable rides than tacoma

[@iamn360]

If ford paired their hybrid system with the other engines in the line up, you'd definitely see mpg gains while towing across the board. My 5.0 gets better mpg than the 3.5 eco while towing but empty, the ecoboost dominates on mpg.

[@robertrousseaux1059]

Keep in mind Hybrids shine in heavy traffic , city driving. I would like to see the comparison in a city. You would be very impressed I would think .

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yeah, I’m doing a city only drive coming up. Going to be really boring for me, but I’ll take one for the team!

[@martinstasiak5622]

@@Pickuptrucktalk how far could you go just on battery when driving?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@martinstasiak5622 depends on how fast you want to go. The best I've done is about 2 miles at 25 mph.

[@cs1992]

The colder temps easily cause 2mpg loss.

[@phileasler5401]

Recently leased at 2021 Titan SV 4x2. Taking it out on the interstate with cruise at 65-70, I’m getting 25.5-26 mpg with the 5.6. Haven’t towed with it yet, still looking for a travel trailer, wanting to stay in the 4500-5500 lbs dry wet

[@CP-pb3pj]

Those are real good numbers! Did you have to put money down to lease?

[@phileasler5401]

@@CP-pb3pj I had a 2017 frontier trade, they gave me 85% of what I paid for the truck 3.5 years ago. They said the canton Mississippi plant was hurting due to low Titan sales, and the Nissan was discontinued the van...couldn’t say no

[@CP-pb3pj]

@@phileasler5401 Good stuff! Enjoy the truck. I dig the looks of it.

[@mikecarmean1676]

Wow that's really good!

[@liveraddieradder]

How's the mileage been?

[@bantizzle79]

Nissan Titan has one of the best warranties out there.

[@waltbowman23]

Because you'll need it.

[@coleyork7746]

@@waltbowman23 For the rust appearing after only a few hundred miles?

[@waltbowman23]

@@coleyork7746 - Yes, it appears on my Ford Truck as well. Now, I live in Minnesota, where the road salt falls like rain n the winter months. 19 years and 280.000 miles later, that rust is still there and hasn't affected a thing! Next time, learn something about vehicles before posting.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

You are right. I keep forgetting about the warranty. My bad.

[@windfall35]

The hybrid really offers value when you're driving around town (without towing) using 87 octane fuel...I'm hoping that the next iteration of this hybrid is a plug-in hybrid that offers 50 miles electric-only and runs electric in that gas-guzzling -0 to 25 mph stop/go phase of driving...With 50 miles of dedicated electric only, most daily-driving/commuting would not see you at the pumps at all! Next year's Ford Ranger plug-in electric may be a game-changer...(Lets hope they don't forget to put the inverter power option also on the tailgate!)

[@Pilot545]

Just saw a Ford commercial that promises to be carbon neutral at all their plants by 2035. Gotta imagine that they will apply the same logic to their vehicle lineup. Interestingly, GM came out a couple weeks ago promising that their entire vehicle lineup will be electric by 2035. Not sure what is so special about 2035, but 2 biggies have it as a target date.

[@jaysson1151]

That’s all fine and dandy, but there’s one detail that you and a ton of other people tend to forget (nothing personal) when talking about the ‘benefits’ of plug-ins: you’re still paying for it. Electricity is not free! Now the prices may vary depending on where you live. The whole purpose of plug-ins is really just an effort to reduce carbon emissions, not save money on fuel. The Powerboost however is the best combination of electric and gas power imo. There really is no compromise with this set up, especially in city driving.

[@windfall35]

@@jaysson1151 In a typical day of urban driving (let’s say to and from work-30 km each way?) what would be your estimate of the amount of fuel you’d typically need? And the cost to plug in and charge overnight? I think you’d notice the difference in cost...

[@jaysson1151]

John Williamson well it depends on how many kWh’s is consumed each day and how much the price is per kWh in your area. Right now we don’t have a vehicle of this size to work off of. But if you look on Torquenews, a Prius Prime owner developed a calculator on Excel that shows when it’s better to charge the battery with gasoline or by plugging it in. Like I said... it all depends on the price of gasoline vs the price of electricity, along with the efficiency of the HEV vs PHEV. Also not to mention the purchase cost between those two particular vehicles. Charging with solar panels are out of the question.

[@jaysson1151]

Classic trucks, yeah! I agree to an extent as well. If your intentions is to reduce your carbon emissions, then yeah, phev and full ev is the way to go. Even better if your source of electricity is solar/wind. But 99% of ALL hybrid owners still rely on the grid and the cost per kWh vs how many kWh per mile is going to vary. I’m just reminding the other guy that a plug in does not magically make the cost of commuting go away.

[@seagullsbtn]

22 is pretty darn impressive. I think you have a MPG test route..... Keep it coming!

[@jasonw8124]

All this time I thought my 2007 Titan Big Tow 4x4 Crew Cab with Leer cap, 33" KO2s was getting poor MPGs. The new Titan gets the same as my old Titan. yep, don't need a new truck after all!

[@Aknman010]

No Nissan is made to get good gas mileage.

[@bc_usa]

@@Aknman010 Says the Ford fan boy 👦 🙄

[@jeremymitchell9970]

The Ford offers a savings of $3,500. Considering the average mileage of 70,000 miles before resale or trade-in, the F-150, with similar add-ons, can be up to $20,000 more expensive, particularly for a fully loaded model. Therefore, solely based on fuel economy and cost, the Titan remains the preferable choice.

[@MikeWolff1]

So quick question, on the Ford you showed a combined MPG with electric of 101 and from that 14 was driven on EV so your miles should be 101-14/4.56 gallons.. right?? If I’m right you only got 19MPG .. I could be reading this wrong but your ODO states combined miles!! I have a PHEV and it separates EV miles from Gas Miles and have a combined MPG. Your miles driven was the same as the Nissan so your hybrid doesn’t seem so efficient after all

[@Rift45]

Kudos to Ford for getting that much power on regular gas!

[@exileut]

They don't. Using 87 octane reduces power and timing on all versions of the 3.5L. Ford recommends premium for "hot weather or towing".

[@Rift45]

@@exileut Ah ok gotcha, I haven't driven one yet

[@gizzy2403]

really?? you're gonna bitch about 22-23 mpg in a quadcab 4x4 driving in windy ass W. Nebraska @ over 3k ft elevation just b/c 87 detunes it a little? f*ck me, I find it pretty incredible actually

[@DeltaEcho303]

$15.31 (91 Premium) for the Pro-4X vs. $10.44 (87 Regular) for the F-150 equals a difference of $4.87 or almost 5¢ a mile. Doesn't seem like much but can certainly add up over time.

[@bc_usa]

Titan is a better truck.

[@MADAmechanical]

Did I catch those numbers right? Almost $5 more to drive the Titan on the 100 mile loop if you fill with 91 octane?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Sounds about right.

[@LightningRich00]

Kinda the crazier thing is the f150 only got 19.23mpg on gas. 87 miles on 4.523 gallons. You really have to be in the electric use range to get any benefit and make it worth you while. Very pricey option.

[@whatsinyourear]

A hybrid should always get better MPG. The more off-road capable a truck is, the less MPG. Great video, thanks!

[@DonRyanWA]

If you don’t put premium in the titan I’m guessing gas mileage goes down to 15 miles per gallon. That’s 7 miles per gallon less than the Ford. Ford is a no brainer. Only question is how long will that hybrid motor hold up before you start having problems with it. What will be the cost to keep it running for the first 200,000 miles? I have a 2007 Nissan titan with 180,000 miles on it. Very low maintenance.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

You nailed the crux of the argument. Tough to figure which one will be better for long-term reliability and which one will pay off for the fuel economy savings.

[@paulkruger2310]

It will never last long enough to gain back the expense plus when costly repairs start adding up it kills it. Simplicity always wins. Sort of like the diesel and gas argument. Diesels cost so much and to maintain especially with emissions these days. Unless you tow heavy all the time it doesn't make sense. Fords ecoboost are problematic cause of turbo failures and transmission failures I have seen it along with there 5.0 oil consumption issues. Now rusting. There problem is there always trying to reinvent the wheel. This battery crap has no reliability long term. Generator cost a fortune to replace and so does the battery. The vehicle is not worth the price of the repair when one fails or both. I see naturally aspirated engine get basically the same mileage without the complexity. Rather buy gas and move on than charge or worry about hybrid stuff.

[@blueryxfalls7949]

Considering that the hybrid is more costly than the titan out of the door you would need a lot of miles to recupe the costs

[@victorvek5227]

There certainly are a lot of “this is why I got rid of my f150 powerboost” content on KZbin… the issues are plenty and commonplace.

[@CraigSmith568]

With these trucks taking different grades of fuel it would be interesting to see the cost per mile between these two. Where I live premium fuel is about 50 cents a gallon more.

[@jonathanhilley9638]

not to mention you can get 0% for 84 months on a titan and the pro 4x fully loaded is regularly priced below 50k

[@aktsly9237]

The dash in my Nissan always reports 2mpg better than actually calculating after fill ups

[@Youser1968]

I have a 2021 Powerboost Limited and have been only using 87 octane. What are the differences between using 87 and 91? Where can I find info on that?

[@johannesgrimm9911]

Nice graphics for showing the truck capability comparison.

[@saudotibi6709]

Nissan is 5.6 L, Ford v8 is 5L there is no comparison

[@Harry-zz2oh]

Tim, do you ever test the big trucks? I'm speaking of the one ton F350 and 3500 models.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yup. There are lots of reviews of them on this channel.

[@Ahmad-yw5hl]

Thank you for the review Tim.

[@erickisel8668]

You can tell how old that video is when premium is only $2.589/gal... and your odometer reading is low on the F-150 compared to recent videos. few weeks maybe. Too bad Titan did not do better. Those winds were fierce, definitely cut the numbers down. Sharp looking truck. Did it beat the Tundra TRD Pro?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

yeah, I shot this just a few weeks ago and crazy how fast things have changed. I don't think it beat the Tundra. Video on that coming this week. Working through a backlog.

[@garyklinke4058]

Thanks Tim!

[@willb3018]

I think all those on board mileage calculators tend to be, shall we say, optimistic. Whenever I take the time to do the math myself, I always get a lower. number. My 13 year old ML 350 comes the closest to actual. Generally within 1/2 mile per gallon but my math is still always lower.

[@brianfinn7644]

You know each manufacturer seems to have a different set up. My Jeep Patriot(yes bad decision) was spot on when it came to what the computer and pump said. My Ford F150 can be off as much as 2 mpgs while my Toyota Tacoma does not seem to know how to accelerate nor does it know how much fuel is on board let alone what it is burning.

[@Garage28_28]

I just come back from florida to michigan and my 2020 ram hemi return solid 21 MPG 4 people onboard and the bad was full with gear.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Impressive.

[@alanholmes2366]

Was this with the Etorque version of the Hemi?

[@Garage28_28]

@@alanholmes2366 no

[@laydbackrat81]

I enjoyed your review, but not a good comparison of trucks. The hybrid has a more All terrain/all weather tire vs the off road tire. Mashed a big difference in fuel economy and ride. Should have compared the more street model to the hybrid.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Just what I get in the driveway. I can’t dictate what I get and how it is equipped. Thanks for watching though.

[@Davis2920022001]

Well, 1 truck you'll see every 15sec the other every other week. Some like to fit in, some including myself like to stand out.

[@michaelreed7469]

Everyone seem to like hand calculated numbers. However there are so many variables I don't find them accurate

[@pattda1]

Hello - are we going to see a video from you supporting the RPM act? The automotive performance industry is being challenged by the EPA.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I hadn't considered doing one. SEMA has my full support.

[@pattda1]

@@Pickuptrucktalk - people appreciates facts, especially since your following supports the performance industry; hobby vehicles, local racing and spirited driving. RPM act

[@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS]

I can get 22 with my v8 Hemi on the highway and ride in style doing it 😎

[@Ca-yj4il]

What 😮? I wish my rebel could do that!

[@brianfinn7644]

Which highway and what speed?????

[@spud2727]

That's because it ain't running, better mileage pushing that turd hemi😁

[@Show-me-how-now]

Hi Tim, because your fuel consumption was so low on either truck, your mile per gallon reading on the dash will not be accurate when compared to the hand calculation method. In fact, I suspect the dash read out is more accurate than your hand calculation because your filling method could be 1/2 gallon off. If you’re off by only 1/2 gallon on 4.5 gallons, that amounts to an 11% difference. You would need to drive the truck long enough to burn at least 3/4 of a tank in order for the hand calculation to really be accurate. I bet if you burned 3/4 of a tank or more, the dash read out and the hand calculation method would match.

[@ramrider1453]

Tim, I know your as old as Moses but ya never get old for a good sounding V8 exhaust. Lol!! Vroom Vroom.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Suddenly, I feel young again!

[@JeaniusCompany]

I haven’t watched the video yet, im assuming Proper risk management.

[@mrozark7123]

Titan for me, screw the POS over complicated Ford F-150 hybrid.

[@juddadam2]

Tim you should try a comparison on city driving in your F150 compared to like a prius prime, then when done you can charge prime with the truck lol

[@waynenoll1967]

Why can’t any of these so called “experts” do a real world, apples to apples comparison??? It’s always the Titan compared to a hybrid, or the Raptor, or the EcoBoost. Why not just compare the most popular model F150, the XLT with the 5.0 engine, to the Titan? It’s frustrating. Every article I find online is always the same; Ford offers 7 different engines blah blah blah, and Nissan only offers an “old, outdated “ V8. I guarantee you that the Nissan 5.7, in the 4 door 4WD model, will out tow and outlast the Ford with the 5.0 similarly equipped. I would also love to see the two engines disassembled side by side to see the difference in build quality.

[@joseramos7476]

If your looking for a truck for Mpgs buy a Honda ridgeline

[@8k_all_day664]

Good stuff 👍

[@occckid123]

You don't know how much the car was idling b4 they gave it to you.

[@danl2131]

For now dominates the rust market!!! Look underneath before buying the newest rust bucket on the market. Fastest at 430hp plus the fastest to rust, 0 to 100 miles rust just that fast!

[@MustangNthusiest]

Your jealous

[@plmn93]

I'll take a rusty axle over rusted wheel arches, like all 10 year old GMs have.

[@stephen8618]

Unsure on purpose of comparison. Hybrid gets better mileage... duh. Love my Titan exhaust sound and truck 'feel'.

[@rustynail7866]

I've owned 2 Titans. They wouldn't get 17 mpg on the back of a rollback.

[@mikecarmean1676]

Yes the first generation Titan is not known for its fuel economy that's for sure. I had an 08 and the best I ever got was 17.3 on a highway drive. But typically it was 15 to 16

[@Harry-zz2oh]

The wind will affect your mpg, depending on which direction you are driving. If you have the wind behind you, the mpg will be better but if you are driving into the wind, the mpg will drop and the higher the wind, the poorer the mpg will be! I've learned this the hard way since I forgot to compensate for this one time and ran out of fuel on I-80 in Wyoming. Not good when you are with your very new wife moving to your new home in another state.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Oh crap! Running out of gas is a marriage stressor for sure.

[@09roadraider40]

I'm guessing they rate fuel economy based on 55 mph you need to do all your tests at 55

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I did drive 55 and for mpg. I blew away EPA number on the Ford. Did you see that video?

[@09roadraider40]

@@Pickuptrucktalk no? Where?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@09roadraider40 here you go: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnmUo3tme7xjfck

[@peiguy1982]

I know a guy who traded his new pro 4x for a Rebel after about 2 months. Lol.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Damn. 😂

[@peiguy1982]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Yeah no kidding pro 4x had 6k miles on it.

[@andrewjacobson556]

Im sure the nissan rides very nice, I don't mind the truck ride, I'm still driving my 96 powerstroke, that rides like a truck!!

[@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq]

I’m not real impressed. I took my old 6.7 Super Duty on an errand yesterday, 60 miles round trip, about a quarter of it on city streets, and got 20.3 mpg

[@johnnielingo5368]

Not apples to apples

[@daves1646]

EcoBoost sure seems to be getting it done vs. a V8. And doing it on 87 is a bonus.

[@darylsmith8567]

A truck Should ride like a truck

[@scottmendoza2155]

I hate when people say oh this truck rides like a truck I rather have a ride like a car then buy a car

[@robm3357]

The Titan RPM was a bit high for a V8. That tells me the torque band is high and that is not good for a truck engine. I think what Ford was looking for is no fuel used if stuck in stop and go traffic. That is where the Ford will shine

[@johnfarabaugh4763]

With the EV fad going around and having to wait for a long time to plug in and change up. Why don't they have an alternator and a generator like all the other cars have. Prius has it. I would like to see the sap that gets stuck with a complete battery draiin and has no where to plug in and charge up. I can't wait to see the software update that drains the battery just like the cell phones. And when the power grid gets hacked or damaged everyone will sit pretty like the Texas storm lol

[@jadedjay7861]

This is a terrible comparison. The Nissan Titan has some of the worst MPG in the industry. Why even compare it to a brand new powertrain? Probably the WORST comparison on KZbin right here.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Uh. What showed up in the driveway.

[@terryrhyne9112]

I understand what you're saying but their is such things as under coating at the Dealership. I am with you but that's just not picking. Bloggers have to or they wouldn't have much to say. Lol just kidding.

[@jesuslozano5468]

Nissan guys are going to tell you the suspension is like more bias to a he y duty, and that is a v8 and blah blah blah

[@smokeyriver7757]

Now do Chevy, so these slow ones can see Ford out works all

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I did the Chevy diesel. Waiting for a gas version though.

[@littlestinker9716]

F-150 comes standard with more rust. :-P

[@allenstuck2861]

Best truck on the road ford all the way!🇺🇸💪🖕