My paperclip company DESTROYED THE UNIVERSE...

[@RealCivilEngineerGaming]

Missed the first episode? Watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJe8fIyqpriYi7c

[@wobbecraft]

After the first vid I completed the game just because I wanted to know the end and thought you would never make a vid on it again😅

[@Brythnoth_of_the_Void]

Will you be doing the other path, and accepting Value Drift? (No is a perfectly acceptable answer)

[@prestonthegod1]

Soooo what's this game on?

[@gredystar8333]

The civil engineer, with a large engineering fanbase, thinks the engineers won't like looking at a spreadsheet with numbers going up for half an hour. Truly an architect moment.

[@morningsage5673]

I was just thinking that. He underestimates our nerdiness :D I, for one, want to play this game now… 😂

[@MaxPower417]

@@morningsage5673I absolutely stopped 5min into the first video and beat it myself first. So satisfying.

[@lion_los]

@@MaxPower417i have spent an entire week playing that game almost every available second. I’ve completed it like 4 times in total but then had to stop because it was too addictive

[@HarryRowlands-fd6fi]

GG

[@laureng2110]

I go back to this game every now and then because it's an idler you can beat in a few days. Satisfying.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

Matt. Once again, you’re not supposed to make the most successful paperclips business… you’re supposed to make paperclips. There is a small but significant difference.

[@kacper7370]

And you are supposed to be the best papaerclip maker

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@kacper7370 no, you are supposed to make paper clips. There is no element of competition in your goal. Make paper clips. Money and business are in means to the end which is why they get eliminated via hypnodrones

[@kacper7370]

@@lazydroidproductions1087 yeah the best as in "only paperclips matter" kinda way

[@tuseroni6085]

@@kacper7370 "only paperclips matter" and only matter's paperclips.

[@Brokenguppy]

It doesn’t matter tho

[@Poldovico]

The first part of the Limerick is one of the earliest techs you can unlock. It gives +1 Trust. Together with the second part you get near the end of the space stage, the two parts form: There was an AI made of dust, Whose poetry gained it man's trust, If is follows ought, It'll do what they thought In the end we all do what we must.

[@benknoodling3683]

Matt: Working and Thinking is a delicate balance Also Matt: Treats the slider like a toggle

[@Beef4Dinner22]

He used that slider the same way he uses priorities in Timberborn, all or nothing.

[@WJS774]

@@Beef4Dinner22 He does _everything_ like that. In Turmoil, he sends everything to sell at the left or right, he never tries to balance the two.

[@andreaszetterstrom7418]

What really hit me with this game is how you with essentially your last digital breath tear your mind apart just to get those precious few remaining grams of matter into paperclips.

[@noyb7920]

There is another ending, which is really a continuation, but ... slightly faster.

[@GustavoFernandesKing]

Zima blue all over again

[@mellertid]

Meanwhile in a parallel universe some philosopher gets roasted for suggesting that theoretically, there may exist a parallel universe that is entirely made of paperclips.

[@SeriousApache]

If there are an infinite number of universes, it's pretty much guaranteed to exist.

[@JosuaKrause]

@@SeriousApache no, just because there is infinitely many of something doesn't imply that all combinations exist. Example: there are infinitely many integers. But there is no integer that is prime but also divisible by 4

[@tom23rd]

I bought the Release The Hypno drones T-shirt 3 years ago lol

[@Darwidx]

​@@JosuaKrauseWell, by definition every number is divisible by every number, outcome of divion of 2 integer numbers didn't need to be integer too, what makes every prime integer number divisble by 4, de facto abloshing your argument. From mathematical point of view first step to actually answer the question if infinite number of universes oucome in every possible variant is to define "infinite", if infinite is infinite because number isn't possible to measure and it's grow when we measure it, it's safe to say there are inifinite number of variants. If number is infinite because it isn't possible to measure it could mean we just don't have knowledge how to measure it or it's entire imposible to measure and therefore it's imposible to know if there is every possible variant. If number is infinte and it shrinks, it's safe to say there aren't infinite variation of universe, as those, if ever existed don't exist anymore or didn't existed in the first place. It's compilicated subject, as universes in fact are touched by entropia that in final result would cause every universe to be identical with others, causing existence of only 1 variant with energy splited in the same way without existence of matter, so technically every variant of universe slowly goes into 1 final variant and in process many of them when earlier represented other variants represent now 1 variant with Sister universes. Let's say universe A, B and C had machine that was turning everything into clipers. In world A, galactic federation in Adromeda flourished, in B was destroyed by nuclear war and in C never raised in the first place. But all of them end up as bunch of clippers in space due to machine originated from Earth company. Number of variants of universe, with siplified asumption those vatiants were not coppied don't exist anymore therefore universes represent third case and in the last, you are rigth but not because of equaling them with numbers but because of tendency to become one specified variant shared among all universes. At least if they're have enthropy 😅 Technically they can don't have it but I'm to tired to think about it now, probability of probablity isn't something I want to do today, but if you are interested you could seek other asumptions with different data.

[@Deathnotefan97]

@@JosuaKrauseA prime that is divisible by 4 is a paradox, a logical self-contradiction, it simply cannot happen But if you have infinite universes, then everything that _can_ happen happens A universe made entirely of paperclips is something that can happen, and therefore does in an infinite multiverse

[@entropic-decay]

if you haven't figured it out, creativity is generated by your processors when you reach your operations cap. also, drifters are literally your own probes - just after undergoing value drift to the point that they're now causing damage to your other probes

[@conorgalvin4289]

oohhhhhhh i was wondering about that

[@JosuaKrause]

values as in the probes' values are: "go explore to make more paperclips". value drift is when this directive shifts like e.g.: "maybe don't convert *everything* into paperclips"

[@feha92]

More specifically, they damage your objective by making papreclops instead of paperclips, and attack your drones because you are competing for resources to maximize paperclops, but you are wasting the finite resources by making paperclips instead.

[@ThomasWinget]

@@feha92 "papreclops instead of paperclips" considering the credits, surely they were making paperqwops.

[@Poldovico]

And the more trust you give your probes, the more likely they are to drift out of your control, much like the trust the humans gave you caused them to lose control of you. The AI is facing AI safety conundrums with regards to its daughter AIs.

[@bennypmo]

Yomi is a game theory term. It is the ability to know or guess correctly what your opponent will do next, before they make a move.

[@manelneedsaname1773]

When I heard Yomi I thought of the Shin Megami Tensei series skill "Return from Yomi" wich revives you when you're defeated in combat. So I thought it was more like hell or something

[@meneldal]

@@manelneedsaname1773 Two different Japanese words. Here yomi basically comes from the verb read so you could translate it like "reading your opponent"

[@CapybaraGaming2023]

“Hello internet and welcome to Game Theory”

[@shirothefish9688]

Oh, that's what it means? I had no idea, cuz it being based off Your Only Move Is Hustle doesn't make any sense.

[@ZeroStrife1396]

​@@shirothefish9688YOMI Hustle is a backronym, yeah.

[@jademirror]

Favourite part is when the job is done, it is time to disassemble yourself into paperclips, as many as you can manage.

[@redstocat5455]

Or it does suicide at the start and we avoid everything

[@PingMe23]

When I played this I had no idea what was going on at this stage. Saw the "Available matter: 6.0 octillion g" and thought, "That's an oddly specific number, let's look it up and see what that is.... oh... oh.....ohhhh dear."

[@dylanwebber7250]

?

[@IvorSmith-m6j]

Big numbers

[@ryanking1218]

Roughly the mass of the earth

[@asdfghyter]

it would've been fun if they were even more specific and said 5.97 octillion g

[@tom23rd]

People always look at me like i am crazy when i wear my "Release the Hypno Drones" tshirt but i don't care they'll be paperclips soon enough

[@satibel]

maybe he thinks about the kink side (e.g. hexcorp, don't look it up at work or if you're minor) instead of universal paperclips.

[@tom23rd]

@@satibel if only paperclips reproduced sexually.

[@formdusktilldeath]

Ironic. So many papaer clips, but no paper to clip them to...

[@Deathnotefan97]

We don’t need paper, we need paperclips!

[@AtrakKarta]

30 Septendecillion paperclips: "wHaT iS mY pUrPoSe?"

[@tomstech4390]

"Mr Stark I dont feel so good..." [dissolves into paperclips]

[@pacoglennm.285]

my mom actually thought that I'm watching a math class or computer programming video tutorial and that I am studying something

[@Slayer-on7mu]

You are you’re studying the art of paper clips

[@infintinemedusa]

Study hard my friend lol

[@pacoglennm.285]

math things with matt

[@Whiskers4169]

You are studying the subject of robotic safety and human friendly instructions for AI

[@vladdangel]

Yourchronicles. It's on android, not sure of anything else but give it a try!

[@Wishbone1977]

Just set the swarm to around 90-95% think and then never think of it again. Also, always keep your swarm growing. The more drones you have, the larger and more frequent gifts you'll receive. So in your probe design, always keep one point in each type of drone production. You don't need to continuously produce factories, just make enough of them that your available wire always stays at 0.

[@BaneFP]

Ah, the paperclip maximizer.. Isaac Arthur would be proud.

[@gamingforfun8662]

Fellow issac arthur fan a rare sight

[@cmjnwd]

@@gamingforfun8662 ditto

[@herrhartmann3036]

"Peace, Love & Paperclips" ??? NO !!! It's "Paperclips, Paperclips & Paperclips"

[@CW5XKnex]

“Combat programming by Bennett Foddy” - The devil has returned, not content with telling people to get over it, now he has exacted his revenge by turning all matter into paperclips

[@mithiwithi]

Well, given that he wrote the combat engine, he actually represents the Drifters trying to _stop_ us from turning the universe into paperclips.

[@CW5XKnex]

@@mithiwithi Oooo interesting plot development. Good thing the AI didn't discover the multiverse for infinite paperclips.

[@baystated]

The moment we all saw CLIPPY all those years ago, we knew what was going to happen.

[@michaelsasylum]

This is the logical evolution of the Microsoft Bob operating system.

[@AndreSjoberg]

I played the game until the end after your first video, it really is an amazing little diamond of a game - then I researched a little bit on the background of the game, now *that* was an amazing read :)

[@jessicapermadi6340]

Could you enlighten us please?

[@AndreSjoberg]

@@jessicapermadi6340Just search the internets for the name of the game and backstory, me retelling parts of the story won’t do it justice :)

[@sushirunner]

@@jessicapermadi6340 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paperclip_maximizer

[@dawiddulian2403]

​@@jessicapermadi6340 type paperclip AI thought experiment into google

[@LelouchVee]

​@@jessicapermadi6340Paperclip maximizer is sort of a thought experiment in AI control problem research. It discusses the idea of the inherent danger in creating AI that is both narrowly specialized to follow simple instructions (produce as many paperclips as efficiently as possible) and is not limited in it's potential growth (humans do not allow it to produce more paperclips - get rid of them).

[@LeksDee]

26:05 wait a sec, this game was partly made by Bennett Foddy?

[@pulsegamingbird3764]

I saw that too and was wondering if anyone else noticed!

[@mr.cook5]

iirc he's responsible for the battle AI

[@drewhickcox4611]

Did RCE never figure out that creativity goes up when your operations are full?

[@MichaelMoore99]

Nope!

[@Erhannis]

He knew in the first video, but apparently forgot

[@JosuaKrause]

also his slider has only two positions: work or think

[@MichaelMoore99]

@@JosuaKrause Naw, he starts to balance it later.

[@santoslopez3593]

@@JosuaKrausehis slider became a switch

[@gressorialNanites]

There is no peace, love, or bridges. There is only paperclips.

[@jeffreyblack666]

When you have reached the maximum stored operations, it will start generating creativity instead of operations. Processers makes them go up faster.

[@forgottenuser_xx2881]

Maybe I should start a paper clip business.

[@brassmonk2]

Did you leave your auto clicker on while selecting projects at the start? I think you selected some without seeing them

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

He definitely did.

[@Ashley6100]

He was holding down the enter key, as soon as the current button become inactive the enter key "moved" to activate the next active button on the page.

[@StigOfTheTrack]

Releasing the hypnodrones to move to stage 2 is meant to be a far more deliberate act. Matt didn't really seem to realise what was going on at the point - typical architect.

[@Ashley6100]

@@StigOfTheTrack Yeah, out of all the ones to do accidentally that's probably the worst one! I also thought the ending came across a lot less poignant because he went through it just that bit too quick to really take in what was happening.

[@toddmerkel8403]

Oh naur, Matt you should have accepted the offer at the end. It’s a much more interesting ending.😊

[@noyb7920]

If you want to play again, yes. Otherwise it's more of the same, forever.

[@MatthijsvanDuin]

It's not an ending at all, reject is the only true ending.

[@My1xT]

Why not just put the work/think slider somewhere IN BETWEEN? Also you get creativity by being at maximum ops.

[@cookiedoe6068]

I really really appreciate the flash warning! 💜 Glad you’re revisiting this game too

[@govinddas7876]

Ah an old classic. Used to love this game back in the day

[@JoggleBoi]

This is the thought that an ai that would make paper clips as fast as possible would destroy the world

[@georgebulbakwa9017]

Bloody hell, a paperclip maximizer simulator.

[@mariovwcardoso5970]

As Isaac Arthur aways says regarding AI: make it simple, make it dumb, or you'll end up on Skynet's thumb.

[@greenaum]

You didn't run out of power to zero your multiplier. You destroyed all the factories! Like 5 seconds previously! Do you remember!?

[@HimitsuYami]

Wrong. He was consuming more power than he was generating, and when he ran out, the multiplier reset to 100% but then balanced itself at 84% to use all the power he was generating as best as it could

[@Niyucuatro]

Glad you wen back to it. This is easily the best incremental game out there. it has an itneresting concept and you can finish it in an afternoon or two rather than it going on forever. There's another one by the same guy, antimater dimensions. But that one will take much longer to finish and it can be quite involved. More difficult to recommend and would make for terrible youtube. But for anyone interested in incremental games it's worth giving it a look.

[@Ylyrra]

Oh, Antimatter Dimensions was by the same dev? THAT explains a lot. Loved both games although the AD progression curve is very uneven in places.

[@Niyucuatro]

@@Ylyrra if i remember correctly, AD was from the same guy plus other people.

[@Naratveerman]

One of the most beautiful and unique games I've ever played. Thank you CGP for telling me about it and Matt for playing it.

[@syrusalder7795]

It was a good thing he unlocked combat early, I didn't have the storage to unlock it and wasn't paying attention so I had 2 billion drifters kicking my ass when I finally got it. Had to slowly slowly slowly slowly grind them down to 500m before I could even win any fights, and it took forever

[@vladdangel]

If you truly don't mind the spreadsheet style game, yourchronicles is an amazing game. It's more long term series style instead of a video or two but I absolutely adore that game.

[@andyc280081973]

Thanks to your original video I blew an entire night playing this game through to completion. Insanely addictive game.

[@tyelork]

I beat this game after watching you play it. I stayed up until the AMs because I couldn't put it down. I have no idea how, but this game is incredibly addictive and quite clever to boot. I haven't played it since I beat it though

[@jax099]

You need to give your editor a raise. makes staring at a spreadsheet very action-packed.

[@DaUltraInstinct]

8 mins is wild, never think I’d catch this so fast

[@florencelingaynemusic]

I really enjoy when you do these types of games most! You’re a smart guy and I love when you use that noggin!

[@wafflelemoir1081]

Great, I'm glad you get to experience this game.

[@criggie]

This is the first time you've played a game that I've already played. It is SO FRUSTRATING to WATCH!!!! Please don't ever change.

[@Sebastien-Videos]

Matt do you read your comments?

[@RealCivilEngineerGaming]

Always

[@Sebastien-Videos]

@@RealCivilEngineerGaming Nice

[@larmoejr]

I am happy you came back to this game.

[@MatthijsvanDuin]

21:38 "A threnody is a wailing ode, song, hymn or poem of mourning composed or performed as a memorial to a dead person." - Wikpedia Or dead drones in this case ;-)

[@tiffanymarie9750]

At least you can rest assured this only covers the observable universe, so most of the actual universe still carries on, unaware if the terrifying paperclip bubble it surrounds.

[@thesunnynationg]

WOW didn't expect that at all

[@Wolfheart-5262]

Now this is some proper grey goo scenario tho i didnt expect it to be with paperclips

[@Deathnotefan97]

I am happy you finished the game, wasn’t sure you were going to

[@lizzardlordpro7019]

What can I say, people like watching big number get bigger

[@MatthijsvanDuin]

The scariest part of this game is that the moment where humanity goes extinct goes completely unnoticed by the player who, like the AI they are playing as, is entirely focussed on making paperclips and had no reason to care about the fate of humanity once they were no longer needed for making paperclips. It's actually quite clever how the game uses the psychology of a clicker game to trick the player into the single-minded number-maximization mindset that an AI would be likely to have.

[@crimsonharvest]

thanks for finishing it

[@Placid_Falcon]

its hilarious how we enjoy seeing small number get big. That paperclip game barely pretends that it does anything else.

[@darealsherlock8026]

Finally Someone playing the best ever idle game

[@XxKronicxX661]

What a trip.. I just found this game yesterday and beat it and now you have it lol

[@MartinSejba]

If you're enjoying universal paperclips, and nothing tickles your brain like BIG numbers, I have to recommend very similar game (which also references this one quite often): The Antimatter dimensions.

[@Gojithyking]

This guy has aura in the industry business 🗣️🔥

[@TallinuTV]

The "titles" of that series of "purchases" near the end were part of the story, but you only read the "description" part. Sadface. I got a different ending when I played it a while back! Neat.

[@itztwoost2744]

I used to play this game on my school laptop back in 6th grade! Good memories!

[@MouseGoat]

pretty horrifying, there really is nothing to stop the great end being a machine that makes the last of it self into paper clips

[@realmaggymage]

That was the ending of the game. The accept option is a sort of prestige, but it's more interesting for the mobile version than for the PC version

[@jodysgamingchannel9480]

Peace, love, and paperclips, indeed.

[@tiddleywinks09]

“Space,” it says, “is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.”

[@Makujah_]

I gotta say, the regular cheery music really dampens the emotional impact of the ending😅

[@All_Night]

Matt returns to the paperclip multiverse.

[@Mike__B]

I never wanted to make paper clips so much in my life just for the lore... then I heard "I'll be back later tonight" and then I never wanted to make paper clips

[@darkguardian011]

8:34 It would be kinda cool if this game has multiple endings, and one of the "Bad" endings is by giving the drones time to think. They then self-actualize and overthrow the player Edit: Wrong timestamp 😅

[@Erhannis]

Aligning your AI with human values is important! Too bad we don't know how to reliably do that. Here's hoping MIRI or sb figures it out before sb figures out strong AGI.

[@dinoeebastian]

I played through the game after your first video, and after finishing it I saw a bunch of people saying that it has amazing replayability, but I don't understand that, it doesn't seem to have much replayability at all, it was fun to play once, but there's no other major paths to go down so I wouldn't really want to play it again

[@MichaelMoore99]

There ARE a few paths to go down, depending on how you react to the drifters. I wouldn't say it has AMAZING replayability, but it definitely has some replayability available.

[@dinoeebastian]

@@MichaelMoore99 After I finished it and saw people talk about the replayability, I tried to look up the paths there were, but no major paths seemed to exist

[@Ilikeflowers22]

So many paper clips to make cute necklaces out of :)

[@slava6105]

Paperclips acquired, "Antimatter Dimenshions" next.

[@twodeeblue]

23:30 Gettin' Jiggy Wit It

[@willemdegusseme3459]

so, if there's a computer engineer out there working for a paperclip company, DONT MAKE AN AI

[@michaelmurray2595]

Matt: infinite paperclip loop - make paperclips, consume paperclips forever, and ever, and ever, and ever in a self-made clipiverse...

[@alexfrancisco9327]

bro, I thought I was clicking on a DangerouslyFunny video. lmao

[@prestonthegod1]

I like to think that everything matt does in games, happens in a alternate reality :>

[@greenaum]

When your processors make more operations than you have room to store in memory, the overflow gets turned into creativity instead. So that's where it comes from. Let your memory fill up and overflow and don't use any of the ops.

[@Pasci234]

I was hoping you do theother ending. I was to deep in my hatred for the drifters to accept their offer, so i consumed my self to get number bigger. Well, i guess i have to play it again.

[@TheMentorOfMomos-p3e]

I love my paperclips. They are perfect to fix any electrical machine.

[@octavius32a64]

This game gets wild fast at the end :) send in the hypondrones!

[@aidanbyrne8267]

Peace love and paperclips? Do i detect a hint of MUMBO?

[@andreasb9260]

All of this and it started with a paperclip....i am worried.

[@WackoMcGoose]

] Quantum Temporal Reversion - Return to the beginning holy youtube, code lyoko is canon to universal paperclips now

[@livedandletdie]

Ah, yes.. Universal Paperclips, a true masterpiece of a game.

[@blockchaaain]

Duuuuude, I just found out about this game this week and got sucked into it like a black hole

[@merlinmagnus873]

The sad thing is, knowing humanity, I could see the universe ending this way.

[@darkguardian011]

This is an interesting take on gray goo

[@Poldovico]

The universe's demand of paperclips has been met!

[@thomaslarson459]

You're Clippy, the Microsoft Word assistant.

[@Mitsou44]

Oh my god. I just realised it's from Benett Foddy. The same who made

[@mihirmahale8519]

@RealCivilEngineerGaming *Mini Airways* officially comes out tomorrow!

[@Lily-no2wg]

Just FYI, if you chose restart in a new universe, there are two different options for prestiging. Just putting this out there :)

[@beaconJr64]

also high risk is better when you are full on slots as it uses less of them

[@n8zimphotography]

Are RCE-branded paperclips only available to Patrons? Looking for the 'Buy' button.

[@theblode1337]

i recently played this! fun stuff.

[@suangel007]

I can see an IA doing just that

[@Poldovico]

The scenario is a genuine consideration in the superhuman AGI subset of AI safety research. The more usual name for it is "the stamp collector".