00:59 Correction: I flipped the Outback and Forester specifications for height and width (my apologies)!
@frankpoperowitzmusic4 ай бұрын
I own a 24 Outback Onyx XT. I had a 4Runner but the fuel economy was killing me. I first bought a Crosstrek Wilderness but traded it out for the Outback. Couldn't be happier and been getting like 32 MPGs on the Interstate.
@SaxonTerror3 ай бұрын
You're full of crap too.. no outback gets 32mpg
@boygeniusofvegas2 ай бұрын
Wrong move mate. The 4Runner is a 500k miles car when maintained properly.
@pipesmoker956Ай бұрын
With the proper maintenance most all vehicles will last over 500000 miles.
@davewilson760215 күн бұрын
@@boygeniusofvegasit gets 18 mpg on the highway and the engine is a dog on those if you’ve driven one. You could replace the entire powertrain on the Subaru for less than the additional gas costs over that timeframe 😂
@boygeniusofvegas15 күн бұрын
@@davewilson7602 I would say we're starting with different ideas on the car ownership topic. I don't buy cars so I could repair them cheaply. While the 4runner does have that gas mileage (or better, on the highway only), it comes with a reliability that a Subaru owner can only dream of to have. And for the record, I did own a 2016 Subaru Forester, non-turbo, and it started burning oil BRAND new. I was aware from day one that it could happen and watched the oil level like a hawk. After the break-in oil change, tracked it and it consume oil. I don't think that even now Subaru fixed their engines.
@jugglematt1004 ай бұрын
I went down the rabbit hole of researching and buying a new car 2 years back i originally went for a twin cab truck ( we call them utes in Australia) but after a couple of weeks i realized that I had made a huge mistake. I took the hit sold the ute and started again. I then stumbled upon the subaru outback and it was like i had come home . The smooth ride quality made it a pleasure to drive, it just soaks up the bumps on our terrible country roads . , the seating felt like it was made for my 6ft5in frame . . 2 years on i still love my outback. It does everything i need it to .
@davidanderson8469Ай бұрын
I'm 6'4" and have a tough time not hitting the body while getting in an Outback plus the Eyesight gismo by the rear view mirror is a blind spot looking up through the windshield. My buddy there had a Holden Ute in 1979 when I visited him. Super mellow place the in NSW.
@vlj11334 ай бұрын
"We all have our weak points, but usually we also have the self-awareness to try to conceal them. That's the reason this channel is about cars, and not escaping social anxiety, or dancing." - Tyler Soprano, having apparently resumed his sessions with Dr. Melfi.
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
Too much Gaba, not enough gool🥸
@jparker18234 ай бұрын
As an owner of both, I think your review was spot on. It was kind of hard to justify the Forester's price over the Outback, but once you start to list all the upgrades from the Forester SK to SL, it starts to make sense. Also, we liked the lack of the TCV and the residual value of a Forester is historical higher than that of an Outback in case we trade it in.
@AP-cc1uwАй бұрын
The next generation Outback apparently is ditching the wagon form factor and moving to more of a boxy SUV package. It resembles the new Landcruiser and Defender according to those who have seen it. This might be the generation of Outback to get for those who really want the wagon.
@Mububban2323 күн бұрын
Nnnnooooooooo!!!!! 😭😭😭
@nyrocks55804 ай бұрын
The 2.5 is a snoozer no-go - literally - for me. The Legacy XT (which we have) and Outback XT can get out of their own way, pass at speed, and merge onto highways with ease. It's a shame the Forester doesn't have that option. Also, while I would have preferred a smaller screen and more physical buttons in our XT, we find it to be fine, certainly not the big negative a lot of people talk about. To each their own
@drn133553 ай бұрын
I sold my Ranger turbo and got an Onyx outback 2.5. Literally zero issues getting around and the gas mileage is sick. I am done with turbos. The funny thing is I had a V6 BMW 323i and it had 170hp. My Outback has 182. Perspective I guess. I live in Wyoming near the northern wind river range. No issues getting to speed even at altitude.
@nyrocks55803 ай бұрын
@@drn13355 that's awesome, enjoy the ride!
@712JeffersonАй бұрын
Great video! Very well polished and informative. Also, very helpful for us tall folks that you're 6'3". Kudos.
@jzwqa28 күн бұрын
At some points in your video it wasn't clear which car you were talking about ... esp when you referred to "this" or "it". Great vid regardless
@ChrisN069994 ай бұрын
"maybe a different transmission. On that I'm just dreaming, Subaru is not doing that." I felt that.
@xyz-md2mv23 күн бұрын
There will be ECVT in its full hybrid version. 😉
@mickeybrumfield7644 ай бұрын
The Forester is more at ease off-road, and the Outback is a more relaxing experience on the highway.
@chrish84874 ай бұрын
This channel is great for comprehensive and well-balanced reviews 👍.
@justdifficult4 ай бұрын
This is the best looking Forester design since pre-2009. I'm glad they made it more boxy and less frumpy and finally ditched the lobster claw taillights. Only gripe with the design is the bumper and that left side port covering where a dual exhaust should have gone.....Subaru always teasing us with a non-existent turbo. :)
@allynwadleigh2210Ай бұрын
I am well over six foot tall and found the outback headroom inadequate I had to duck just to get in! Whereas the forester had plenty of room to inter the front cabin area !
@harrahphotomanКүн бұрын
One thing I have not seen mentioned by any reviewers is voice control of things like the radio and AC/Heat. You don't have to do anything but talk to the car to get these settings changed. We bought the 25 Forester Touring, trading in our 21 Forester Touring. The differences between the two models is very noticeable. The new model is quieter, still maintains the great greenhouse, ease of entry/exit is important to me as I have back issues and the Forester is a comfortable fit for my 6'4" frame. I also enjoy the addition of cooled seats and the rear gate kick control. Yes, the price has gone up in the 4 years since we bought the 21 Touring, but look at what inflation has done to everything, so that is to be expected. I feel confident in the new model. It holds the road well, steers precisely, and is just comfortable.
@ChrisN069994 ай бұрын
For other markets where the 2025 Forester isn't yet released/unveiled, this review is helpful for those who have it as their option to buy even if they may be of different variations.
@atmartens4 ай бұрын
I really hope the Forester’s future hybrid coming out next year fixes the under power. The 2.5L engine really is slow. I know it wasn’t huge sale success but the Forester not having a XT trim sucks.
@tonysterbenc4 ай бұрын
Good on you for alertly observing the price overlap, although I'm confident it's only temporary. Meanwhile, this is pretty ambitious Forester pricing by Subaru, considering it basically comes with no upgrades to either power or infotainment, both of which are lacking. I suppose their faithful will pay it, but more's the pity.
@RichS.74yroldbodybuilder2 ай бұрын
Having a big screen helps people who don’t wanna wear their glasses all the time if you wear glasses all the time you probably don’t have an issue. A lot of people want to be able to look over and see something without having to lean into it or squint anyone over about 45 . You have to think about that on your reviews. It’s one of the reasons that iPhone pluses are so popular. Don’t discount the bigger screen a lot of people that buy these cars buy them because they’re older.
@sjs1555Ай бұрын
Great point
@Oregon-2024.23 күн бұрын
Dumbest comment ever
@Lukas-cv6kb2 ай бұрын
Mein Outback Limited kommt morgen an. Ich habe alles, was wichtig ist, geladen und bin bequem überall hingefahren, wo ich hin musste. Die perfekte Wahl für eine aktive Familie.
@suburiboy4 ай бұрын
I wish more companies made "pleasant wagons", the outback is almost more SUV than wagon. Discontinuing the Legacy instead of offering it as a wagon seems like a bone-headed move. I believe that people of our generation want affordable wagons and would buy them if they were available.
@jaywbus4 ай бұрын
Forrester Fov and spaciousness wins vs Outback. Outback feels like a big sedan/ wagon.
@ericfan12233 ай бұрын
Amazing video! Very funny, and knowledgeable! We will be test driving both, 2025 forester and Outback tomorrow morning and im hoping the forester is what i hope it will be. We test drove the Honda HR-V and were blown away with how great it was. But its the same price as a new forester. So its almost worth just getting the bigger car.
@EricGrassi4 ай бұрын
I've owned four Subarus, including a 98 S and a 21 Sport, and I would NOT consider buying this generation at all. I hate how it looks. Awful, boring front clip, ugly taillights, weird crimps above the RAV-esque wheel arches, odd belt on the weirdly shaped D pillar, and strange geometric shapes all along the bottom. Yuck. Hopefully they fix at least some of that in a refresh in a few years.
@genzigzag4 ай бұрын
I like the updates to Forester, for the exception of the Ford Exploder front grill. If the long-term reliability is there in the 2.5T, it would be nice to see that offered in the Forester also.
@chrish84874 ай бұрын
The 2.5T is no longer offered in any Subaru. They have the 2.4T from the WRX in the higher Outback trims, but the Forester only has the NA 2.5 which is underwhelming IMO.
@rami1985Ай бұрын
Japan has a 1.8T forester, wonder if anyone else will get to see that
@SevenYe4 ай бұрын
Great review! Would love to see your review for a 2025 Crosstrek.
@janoycresnova91564 ай бұрын
Put that XT engine into Forester and all is forgiven.
@nikolavonfulton51954 ай бұрын
I would love for them to do this
@cnobillbradley96738 күн бұрын
Yep my 2015 Fozzy XT got plenty of power with a cvt don’t trash the tranny like any other and it will last a long time. Would I like a 6 speed? of course!
@cnobillbradley96738 күн бұрын
I’m in love with my 2015 Forester XT in sport sharp it goes like hell and handles well
@greendg74 ай бұрын
Good review, honest and not pandering
@pgb19132 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Can’t wait for the 2026 re-designed outback to compare with the new forester.
@jamesdorsey20774 ай бұрын
The Height and Width stats are backwards... For clarification- the Outback is longer and wider, while the Forester is taller.
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
Thank you! I just made a pinned comment with the correction and time stamp.
@taelee3473 ай бұрын
I have zero desire to buy another Forester until they put the 2.4L DIT engine in it. Currently have 2014 Forester XT, while CVT, still peppy and not terrible on gas. (I had 2004 XT with a manual as well before that) I have had multiple Foresters with 2.5L as a loaner and all of them have been gutless. I must be missing something because I don't understand how these higher trim Foresters with base 2.5L non-turbo engine is selling for 35-40K and people still buy them. "Sport" meaning some colored accents??
@Mike-vu9xfАй бұрын
Well, the new engine design has thinner cylinder walls. As I see it, adding a turbo charger you’ll have problems down the road..
@curtisayers7933Ай бұрын
Very articulate and focused review.
@Mububban2323 күн бұрын
Really good video. My only feedback would be to add chapters, but that's a minor quibble on a very good video 🙂
@Realistick22 күн бұрын
Noted, I’ll add that in tomorrow ✌️
@RareGenXer4 ай бұрын
Credible buzz directly from Subie sales rep and online Outback forums is that the new Outback is going upscale. Like 4-7K more! It will be styled more like the now ubiquitous and frankly tiring "Land Rover" look🥱. It will bring back more physical controls, which would be a plus. It will be more SUV-like and less Wagon-like. "Discontinuing the Legacy frees them from the constrains of the OB being a lifted wagon variant of a car." Per Dealer rep. This will be a terrible change in my opinion😠. It will essentially be closer to the Ascent in size, because the Ascent is rumored to be going away (or be replaced with something larger and much more competitive in a 3 row SUV). This also helps explain the current price inversion of Forester and Outback. In short: Expect it to look and be sized and priced like the new Hunyadi Santa Fe, which I think looks gimmicky and cartoonish and won't age well at all.
@jerryq10002 ай бұрын
Completely agree. Rover and Kia offer NOTHING in the way of looks, IMO.
@SlabSheetrockАй бұрын
Ugh. This is bad news. The whole reason I bought an Outback was that it was the closest thing to a true wagon I could find without spending $20-30k more on a Mercedes, Volvo, or Audi. I love my Touring XT but if they go in the direction of yet another upright box, this will likely be my only Subaru.
@cw46234 ай бұрын
NOPE. That 11.6" StarLink infotainment system is a death-knell for Subaru. IT IS AWFUL. Subaru is bleeding customers with that impractical and infuriating glossy touchscreen. 👎
@bryce75162 ай бұрын
I love my car (outback wilderness) and enjoying it. Probably the biggest complaint is the touch screen. I ordered protective screen to see if that fixes it.
@churrocapitan9380Ай бұрын
The Subaru screen is my biggest gripe and the main reason I'm considering going with a different brand for my next car purchase.
@tomaskroupakkfoto4132Ай бұрын
As is CVT and kinda also the engine...it´s just Subaru, they make thing different :)
@philjohnson-ic7dmАй бұрын
It depends what your after. I own 2017 Outback I love it, love the room, love the ride, this car rides out. We purchased 2025 Subaru Forester Sport, loves Outback but she states she feels like she's driving station Wagon. I get it, traded my junk in and I drive the Outback, love it. I would mention dealer service we work with is 2nd to none. Service means everything.
@charlie38514 ай бұрын
The Forester has better acceleration too, based on owning a 21 Forester and recently test driving an Outback, The 21 Forester just feels good when I sit in it, whereas the 25 Forester, just doesn't do it for me, not sure why but it doesn't, so, looking at Outbacks. Outbacks seem to be selling slower, I wonder if it is because of the cladding. I think they overdo it with the cladding on the Outbacks, maybe ok for the Wilderness but get rid of at least some of it on other models. I think I am in the minority who do not have a problem with a CVT. Some of the automatics can hunt for gears and have erratic shifts in certain situations.
@atmartens4 ай бұрын
The Forester had a lot better deals, especially because a new generation is coming. The Outback will have a new generation for 2026. Also, the pricing for the Forester is lower. So the Forester outselling the Outback isn’t just because the Forester is “better”.
@saraaronzon45623 ай бұрын
It’s OVERPRICED!
@CC-kr2fs4 ай бұрын
I understand you reassonings, but from experience i will say; Had an outback, went to forester, and then went back to Outback. Outback is a more comfortable road car, and the room, though close, is more usable on a daily basis. besides it looks better, in my and my wifes opinion.
@cyon52174 ай бұрын
Keep up the great work!
@hotcarlsf2 ай бұрын
I went from a 2015 WRX Limited CVT to 2019 Outback 3.6R CVT. I enjoyed the instant torque from the NA engine. Test drove a 2020 Outback XT. It would take off like a rocket, but bad turbo lag. The infotainment screen is so bad on newer Subarus, I'm glad my 2019 has more physical buttons than newer ones. It was an $1800 repair and took months to get the new unit. The units GUI is outdated and slow which reminds me fold out in dash screens back when the first Fast and Furious movie came out
@dsg94864 ай бұрын
If they put normal transmission, I will buy one.
@darkknighte3 ай бұрын
My 21 outback xt comes off lease and I extended it so I could get the new redesigned 2025 model! I’m so disappointed that it’s going to be at least another year now!? 😮 I wish they would be clearer with customers when these changes will come. I had a Forester in the past but when they took out the turbo I changed to the XT. The forester without the turbo is just no fun and lacks power when you need it. I love my XT except for the incredibly finicky and super slow screen and gps. If you need to change destination it takes more than one stop light to do it because it keeps skipping letters or getting it wrong. So ridiculous. That was enough to get me to switch, but with a new update and refresh for that screen system supposedly to address those issues , the redesign not coming for at least a year, and frankly for me, the new Forester redesign looks like it was done by a committee who couldn’t draw curves on their cad program. I’m not impressed with that awkward style and the wheels look much too small for the body. Looks like a baggage cart to me. I may just stick with my XT a while longer. Try harder or hire some more adventurous designers.
@jamesdarcy390223 күн бұрын
I will put money in to my 2015 Outback as necessary with 153,000 miles in excellent condition. I would much rather have older's tech Port Injection, simpler push button controls and a basic infotainment system, and I could care less about Apple Car Play or Android Auto. To my understanding Subaru is ditching that dreaded Thermo Control Valve and going back to the reliable old fashion Thermostat for 2025 on their 2.5L N/A engines. That seems like a +.
@harrisond8132Ай бұрын
I had a 2007 Outback. I loved that car. The newer gernerations are way too big. I drive a 2018 Forester now and really like it, but they're bigger now too. Not sure what I woud buy next.
@jg76343 ай бұрын
The info/tainment system is just terrible.. I want buttons not a giant screen...
@stopthebs774 ай бұрын
First time viewer and loved your comparison review, bro!! Just fantastic and sooo much more thorough and on point than the vast majority!! Instant subscriber ❤ Side note, and important question... I've owned three Subarus. An '03 MT Outback, a '10 MT Outback, and an '18 MT Crosstrek. My Crosstrek was sadly totaled by a hit and run driver and although I had a witness and got full reimbursement from my insurance company, I just kept driving my '10 Outback that I still had. Now, I'm in the market for a '24 Crosstrek, but I'm a bit leary on the CVT having never driven one and hearing mixed reviews on the CVT in general. Is this something you could respond to? I'm quite nervous and could use some help!! Thanks, bro!! I'll take a look and see if you have any reviews on the '24 Crosstrek too 😃
@0HOON03 ай бұрын
If you're going to keep it for more than 5 years you may want to consider a Toyota or Mazda.
@robertjaycox84883 ай бұрын
The Outback is a more heavy car. The ride is better without a doubt. And it is more luxurious inside. (for a Subaru) We have both
@user-handlethetruth4 ай бұрын
OK, I remain a staunch fan. Sometimes when you are in the midst of this review, I lost track of which vehicle you are driving. Since you have such obvious skills with your video editing, maybe consider a banner with the car you are driving at the time. However, your review at the end summarized succinctly everything I needed to hear about your impressions. Another detailed and spectacularly educational video. On another subject: I would like to see Subaru do what Toyota did with Lexus so well, and what Nissan did with Infiniti (less well) . The sport BRZ is an obviously niche vehicle for fun daily driving, but I would like to see a luxury model. Subaru may not be big enough to take this on. Also, I note the obvious disappointment from most reviewers about that giant screen with poor sensitivity. That alone is keeping me from buying any Subaru yet, I consider that a giant step backwards. On the other hand, the CVT is taking too much heat. If you buy this vehicle you better service the CVT transmission, and that is not optional. Odd, though, that all of this is to save a couple of miles per gallon means that I keep putting off any new vehicle purchase until my current vehicle dies, because I don't want the compromises of the govt imposed regulations....yet. Yeah we are saving gas, but losing performance. More performance, and no car payment, I keep putting money into my old car because maintenance has kept it running perfectly at 200K miles.
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
The comparisons can get tricky at times, I will try to add in more of those lower third graphics if I bring up the other car while driving!
@anthonyng30142 ай бұрын
@@Realistick I agree, great review and comparison but I too had to go back and rewatch parts of the video to be clear on which vehicle you were referring to. For example, the parts about the noise levels because I believe you were at one time comparing prior-gen Forester to new-gen, and then suddenly switching to comparing to the Outback. It wasn't until you showed the actual db measurements that I was sure the Outback is still quieter than the Forester. Superb informative review nonetheless. I'm in a 2024 Outback XT so this comparison tells me all I need to know regarding the new-gen Forester.
@cw46234 ай бұрын
@Realistick -- At 12:43 you comment on the steering differences. But your commentary was confusing. You say that the Outback has heavier steering. But then you say that the Outback steering is lifeless/disconnected (generally attributes associated with light, boosted steering) and that it gives you no sense of what's going on as you demonstrate back-and -forth steering play. This is confusing. If the Outback steering is heavy you shouldn't be able to shift it back and forth at speed, like that. And it should feel less lifeless if it is heavier than the Forester. So is the Outback steering truly heavier? Does it have more or less steering play on center than the Forester? What do you mean when you say that the Outback feels "more flat-footed"?
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
Maybe I can help clarify! Heavier weight does not mean more feedback or a better sense of connection. I explain in the video how it feels disconnected. It’s most notable just off center. I describe it as vagueness on center, the steering is floaty there, you have no feel for what the car is doing until you see where the car is going. The forester has a different steering rack design that essentially eliminates that. Btw, some of the most communicative steering racks, are light to medium in weight! As for flat footed, it means less agile, a good athlete runs on their toes, one with bad habits is flat footed.
@CFOPG4 ай бұрын
Hi Tyler, another great review. I’m looking to replace my 2015 Outback and am considering the Toyota Crown Signia for its better gas mileage, more modern infotainment system, and overall greater refinement. Do you have any additional thoughts on the two cars beyond what you said in the Signia review? I’m particularly interested in differences in driving dynamics, ride, and seat comfort. One side note on roof racks, reviewers always point out the great swing-out roof bars on the Outback, but as someone that’s hauls a wide variety stuff on my roof, I’ve always thought it was a weak point for a car aimed at outdoors enthusiasts. I can see how they be great if everything you haul fits between the rails, but having bars that extend out beyond the rails is necessary for hauling wider items. I replaced the factory Outback crossbars with Yakima towers and crossbars that really feel solid, with none of the bend found in the factory bars. You might consider adding some basic information on roof racks to your reviews. Things like rack weight capacity, between rails versus overhanging crossbars, fixed point or sliding bars spacing, and the maximum bar spacing would be really helpful. Just a thought, though probably too niche to be useful!
@andrews7146Ай бұрын
The Crown Signia is more refined, more luxurious, more attractive, and has higher fuel economy than the current gen Outback. However, it comes at a significantly higher price, has a lower and overall tighter feeling interior, less ground clearance, and a much less spacious cargo area. The Outback is generally a better choice for utilitarian reasons and is arguably better value for money, but certainly does not pretend to be a Lexus. I have both a Lexus and an Outback, and the Outback is just not a luxury class vehicle. The Crown Signia is a nicer car, especially if you value refinement and aesthetics. It’s very nearly a Lexus. I would expect the redesigned 2026 Outback to be a bit closer to the Signia, including its price point. Both cars are great choices, it just depends on what you value most.
@Hallowsaw4 ай бұрын
They should have redesigned them both at the same time because you know the outback is going to get a price increase as well. Currently there is like no good reason to get a forester over an outback other than length. Forester does not have a powerful option nor a wilderness modwl currently. I am seeing the forester already with 2-3k off msrp. Not a good look for subaru.
@skimanfree107313 күн бұрын
Both should have more physical buttons. Can you imagine seniors on the highway trying to adjust the heat or AC on these screens? Tickets for looking at a cell phone but ok to look at the car screen! Ha!
@Realistick13 күн бұрын
I've heard reports that the new Outback might go back to more physical controls!
@yankeeblues20073 ай бұрын
My OB has 260 hp and 28.5mpg around town. 5.8 seconds 0-60. Never driving a Forester.
@anthonyng30142 ай бұрын
You mean never driving a non-XT of anything. Forester used to have an XT model that was even faster and agile than the OBXT due to lower weight and shorter wheelbase.
@RPSartre014 ай бұрын
I really want an outback but that black trim is butt ugly.
@anotheran4 ай бұрын
Lol your thumbnail title works on so many levels
@Jmaninaz14 ай бұрын
Forester's styling is better, I guess, than prior iterations, but to me it's like a glass of skim milk--good for you, perhaps, but hard to get excited about it. I read many, many years ago an article on a car that said the car's design utterly fails to incite a pulse--my feeling exactly about this new Forester design. It's an appliance, and a very effective one at that if you deal with seasons, but will I be excited about it or open the door to the garage appreciating the beauty of a car I have in the garage? Nah, but that is just me. That being said, Subaru will sell every Forester they can build because what it does, it does well.
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
I agree, it's a car designed to do most things for most people, and that tends to make a vehicle dull, however, I'd also say that's the idea behind most compact crossovers with the exception of the CX-5 and CX-50. They made some meaningful improvements here to make it feel like a nicer appliance without sacrificing the rugged side of the nameplate. It's exactly what I'd expect from Subaru, even if the price now sways me even more toward an Outback!
@carolhunt17674 ай бұрын
Great review as always! ❤️
@katylowe3504Ай бұрын
None of this discussion is necessary unless the first statement is "You can now get the XT engine again in the Forester". I have a 2018 Forester XT and will not let go. Would not bother with any newer Forester until I can get the XT engine in it.
@mattheviewerАй бұрын
Wait untl 2026 when the new boxier, larger, more expensive Outback (also wearing larger 20" wheels) is introduced early in the year. Perhaps a grown up Forester?
@flat6gts4 ай бұрын
There are differences between the two, for sure, but I question whether Subaru truly needs both models in their lineup, or could instead invest in something more differentiated. But obviously sales have justified having both.
@benzalkioniumАй бұрын
The idea someone would choose a vehicle based on screen response time is hilarious to me.
@angelas46814 ай бұрын
Whyyyyyyy don't they offer that 2.4T engine in the Forester? So short-sighted.
@Camsimsy2k2 ай бұрын
i cant wait to see the 2025 forester wilderness
@lorenschwiderski3 ай бұрын
OK Forester or CrossTrek. IMO, the CrossTrek still has more sporty look and maybe slightly faster? I like how big the windows are, but sitting on a car instead of in a car reminds me of a Model T Ford. 😅 Is the noise level on CrossTrek higher or lower than a Forester?
@USNAVDC3 ай бұрын
EASILY CRACKING WINDSHIELDS 100%. I'd 3 windshilds in my 2018 Outback in 3 years!
@lorenschwiderski3 ай бұрын
The front seats on the Outback don't feel right for me. The seats upper back is just not touch around the shoulder blades, as though the seat is sweeping backwards nearer the top. The CrossTrek and Forester seem like better seats. I assume that for most people, the Outback seats work, thus I cannot say they are not right for everyone. It always varies.
@jasonholland38372 ай бұрын
Subarus have many good qualities like a great AWD system and reliability but there is no way the Forester sets the benchmark for "the small crossover driving experience." It uses an under powered NA 4 with a CVT. It doesn't drive like a BMW X3.
@Realistick2 ай бұрын
I see your perspective, but benchmark doesn’t mean best in every category. It handles with confidence, it’s comfortable and the CVT is smooth and responsive. Those are the qualities most look for on the road in a crossover. I used to sell compact CUVs and hardly anyone cared about its 9 second 0-60. This is why most brands got rid of higher power options. If it was a Luxury car, people would definitely care. Which is one reason why a BMW X3 sets the benchmark for… compact luxury suvs!
@agentfletcher8 күн бұрын
Do you know what version of eye sight does 2025 Outback Wilderness has?
@PapaA71453 ай бұрын
Purchased a 24 Forester Wilderness and it’s been great so far. Took our granddaughter with us as she is tall and used her to check for backseat legroom. The Outback had more comfortable front seats the Forester had more useable legroom. The Forester beat out the Outback, CR-V and RAV4. All of them would’ve been good choices but my wife liked the Forester Wilderness looks. Mazda 5 would have been in the running but no dealer within 50 miles.
@GameOnRammy3 ай бұрын
Is the Forester color at 14:37 the new River Rock? or what color is it?
@iwejun3 ай бұрын
Have you driven the new Forester? It has plenty of go and the cvt transmission is quiet. Hell the whole interior noise is quite a bit lower than previous Forester and uses the WRX steering gear which makes it a bit more tighter.
@mountainhobo4 ай бұрын
16:26 [Subaru is not moving away from the CVT] - If they adopt Toyota's hybrid system in the next major update, they might go to the planetary gearset. Still technically a CVT, but a completely different animal from the current one.
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
Agreed, E-CVT is superior. I'm sure they will use one in the upcoming hybrid, which was confirmed to be in partnership with Toyota! I'd still like to see an 8 speed with the turbo, non-hybrid powerplants but that's a fantasy at this point unless they borrow a Hybrid Max system from Toyota too.
@mountainhobo4 ай бұрын
@@Realistick Is there a solid timeline when the hybrid Outback will be coming, and will it also be offered on the Wilderness edition?
@0HOON04 ай бұрын
Toyota's E-CVT is vastly more durable than conventional cvts. Talk to rideshare and taxi drivers. Tons of hybrids have 400k+ and are still on the original trans.
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
@@mountainhobo I haven't heard anything specific yet. If I'm to make guesses, I'd say that they'd debut the hybrid late this year or early next year with the Forester or with the 2026 Outback redesign!
@davidanderson8469Ай бұрын
If you're tall the Eyesight glob creates a huge blind spot when looking upwards through the windshield.The new dash is hideous.
@JRTrilling2 ай бұрын
Subaru should have had a hybrid version of this new Forester out of the gate.
@deecee68103 ай бұрын
I like the new Outbacks, I own 2 Foresters because you can put a two-tier cat cage in it because of the large opening. I like Toyotas but my cat cage wouldn't fit in any other car, so... I also fit in the back if I need to take a nap in it. I have been all over the US, including Alaska, and Canada in my Foresters without any problems. I still have Alaska and Canadian mud underneath one of my Subarus, which I think is now permanent. That mud would have caused problems in some other vehicles. So having the all-wheel drive is always reassuring no matter where you end up. I love them. The new Outbacks look awesome, but the rear space has less headroom than the Forester, but I love the rack on the top because you can flip it so fast. But on that note, anything on top of your car is an instant mpg problem, so I have hitches and can put stuff in the back which helps with the mpg problem. The only time stuff on the top is warranted is if you are on a ferry, where they go by length measurements. I've driven the Ascent, and that is a step up, but a bit too much car for my needs. I am hoping that Subaru will come out with a hybrid Forester soon. I like the EV they have, but I'm usually in the middle of nowhere so hard to hook up to electric.
@RedHuntsman4 ай бұрын
Waiting for a Forester XT
@0HOON04 ай бұрын
Pro tip: Avoid the new giant touchscreen by purchasing the previous gen 2024 Forester Wilderness.
@eamonfr65264 ай бұрын
Base model doesn’t have the giant screen but still lacks most of the physical buttons we need
@0HOON04 ай бұрын
@@eamonfr6526 2024 F Wild still has the climate control dials and buttons. They remain in inventory for the moment.
@agak614 ай бұрын
Love the big screen 😅
@enmass904 ай бұрын
Previous gen forester and current gen outback have the TCV issue. Only the new forester and the turbo outbacks are exempt from it.
@minnybiker45054 ай бұрын
I drove a 2024 Forester with the little screen... Did not like it at all. Love the big screen in my Outback.
@LavernLee-zz5ln4 ай бұрын
Own a 2021 Forester Touring.. purchased thru Costco. Good suv..for 2 adults.
@whitelotus15943 ай бұрын
I'm picking my 2023 Forester Premium.
@李沐声Ай бұрын
The video is good, the presentation is very detailed. But your photography sucks, the lens keeps shaking, get a better stabilizer plz
@RealistickАй бұрын
I’ll add a nee gimbal to the shopping list😂
@patrick-rb3ul4 ай бұрын
Owned three Foresters and now a sleek Outback! Great vehicles!
@adamwright97412 күн бұрын
Wait a minute! Your measurements at the beginning show the outback is taller than the forester. There is no way that is possible unless you were talking about taller roof racks or something
@adamwright97412 күн бұрын
if that was wrong was the width wrong too, because it shows the forester is 2 inches wider, and I'm convinced I've always seen the outback is being the wide one
@Realistick2 күн бұрын
Yes, my graphic had the number switched around, I pinned a comment on that but KZbin does a bad job of showing pinned comments! My apologies. The outback is shorter and wider but longer in length than the Forester.
@In-obscurity-n7j4 ай бұрын
I'm curious how Subaru will incorporate Toyota's 4th gen hybrid and deliver symmetrical all-wheel drive. They will be the first.
@activepuck22253 ай бұрын
In Canada, at least my location, there’s only a $500 increase in price amongst the Outback trims from 2024 to 2025. Forester, OTOH, has around a $2000 price increase. Obviously more features, redesign, etc, but that’s still a factor for one looking at a new vehicle. I’m personally content with my ‘24 Crosstrek for the price to features ratio. 😁 Not a huge fan of the Forester redesign but that interior does look really nice. I really do hope there’s a Wilderness trim in the future, though.
@endrizo3 ай бұрын
i want manual gearbox frameless windows and a spare wheel.. just like subaru used to be.
@philnoreen86423 ай бұрын
The 2025 redesign is hideous. Bronze rims on the sport??? Very disappointed!!
@jamespatrick5930Ай бұрын
I bought a 2025 Forester Premium, I like the CVT. The upside-down oil filter drains down to empty causing dry starts every morning. This causes more engine wear. So to hide this it has no oil pressure gauge.
@ronkuzyk3836Ай бұрын
The Subaru oil filter has an anti drain back valve. Unscrew it and see how it does not drain out. Aftermarket oil filters might not have it.
@kw63822 ай бұрын
hate hate hate the big stupid screen enough to never buy one
@liltomtom90553 ай бұрын
what is the debate? subaru makes the best all wheel drive system in the automotive industry, its leaps and bounds ahead of anything else irregardless of class
@tinhinnh4 ай бұрын
shouldnt the forester be taller?
@Realistick4 ай бұрын
Yes, i pinned a correction but it seems the pinned comments don’t show anymore. I switched the width and height of the forester and outback in the graphic! My apologies.
@stevens.76544 ай бұрын
For a company that prides itself on utilitarian vehicles it is surprising that the infotainment is so cumbersome and non-intuitive.
@kwootamuckbear92942 күн бұрын
Ok….Im gonna go buy a Honda! Thanks…
@Widebody204 ай бұрын
FORESTER no turbo
@albingasinec16154 ай бұрын
all hybrid cars are not worth the extra cost! It`s not that efficient as they are claiming 2B
@jontnoneya34043 ай бұрын
I dunno man - I'm hearing more and more issues with the Outbad. Leaking CVT seals, persistent electronic issues and routine, regular oil consumption. This is on a sub 25k mileage vehicle. NONE of that crap should be happening on a brand new car/suv and it 100% DOES NOT bode well for their reliability. I'm starting to think the people talking about their reliability are simply fan bois who don't want to be honest. AND they haven't lived with one of these for anything beyond 50k miles.
@kimba2624 ай бұрын
Peccato che ai motori Subaru mancano almeno 70/100 cavalli specialmente qui in Europa. Io ho avuto 12 Subaru. Mai avuto problemi. Trazione integrale ai massimi livelli. Ripeto peccato per la grande sotto dimensione dei motori. Ottimo servizio. Saluti dalla Svizzera 🇨🇭 👍👍👍👍❤️
@george-ng5gj3 ай бұрын
Outback Turbo - this is the way.
@Widebody204 ай бұрын
Can not buy a 2025 Oouback where i live.
@GetOffMyyLawn4 ай бұрын
There are 38 in stock at my local dealer... they still have 26 2024s also. There are no changes to the 2025 Outback except some trim feature changes... so get a 2024 if you can get a good deal.
@Widebody204 ай бұрын
@@GetOffMyyLawn Why would I buy a 2004 when I don't know how long this car is sitting. I want fresh with options I want and willing to wait. Price is not top priority.
@GetOffMyyLawn4 ай бұрын
@@Widebody20 Lol its your money.
@agak614 ай бұрын
Which color is better for a girl ? Green or blue ? I can’t decide for Forester 😅
@andrewbaker77174 ай бұрын
I can;t get over that awful screen
@anticalgary4 ай бұрын
New Forester is really ugly, even for Subaru standards