Modern Cosmology and the Existence of God: A Dialogue Between RTB and Reasonable Faith

[@Traderbear]

Hearing Hugh talk about the specialness of our species is so incredibly awesome. Great talk everyone. 2 legends 😊

[@lycurgo]

Excellent dialogue. Congratulations to Reasons to Believe for the initiative. I hope we have more of these interactions in the future. May God bless everyone!

[@RTB_official]

Thank you for your support! Stay tuned for more conversations like this-we’ve got more coming your way!

[@jonfrank5113]

Thank you Dr. Ross and Dr. Craig. I appreciate each of you. God Bless

[@SPQR2755]

What a great dialogue. Thank you so much for putting it on.

[@RTB_official]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@christopherkennedy9377]

I thank God that I live in this era. Christian scholars like Craig and Ross are a testament of his great attributes of love and redemption through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

[@CaptainSteve777]

Fantastic discussion, in content and tone. Warms my heart. God bless you all.

[@rolfyoutube586]

Wonderful moderation by Mr. Samples. And with all due respect to Mr. Craig, Mr. Ross tends to examine a wider range of evidence for the grounding of his views.

[@YurLord]

Excellent conversation. I love Dr. Ross' breakdown of the fine-tuning of the universe down to the planet earth. It makes me emotional as I experience the presence of God. On a side note, it would be so cool if Dr. Ross was able to go on the Joe Rogan podcast.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

You are Not a Christian, and are completely steeped in deception. Repent!

[@MMAGUY13]

Wow both Hugh and Craig are my heroes. Same stage so happy

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

@@MMAGUY13 Yep they are both awesome. God Bless them both because they love The Lord God Almighty

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

Please watch every one of Craig's videos on salvation, and sub humans. Both are outside of Christ and Hersey's of the highest dimension. I counsel you to only have Lord Jesus as your "HERO." SINCERELY, AS ONE WHO HAS STUDIED CRAIGS DOCTRINE ON SALVATION, AND SUB HUMANS.

[@johntaylor2775]

​@@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018lighten up Francis

[@lawrenceegoodman7812]

Absolutely astounding

[@ccdnpb820]

Fantastic discussion! Worth listening to multiple times. 👏

[@RTB_official]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

I believe Craig is correct about how he rejects the sin of Adam being somehow contagious or passed down to humans etc. I heard it said somewhere each one of us sins individually and in essence we are all a Adam unto ourselves.

[@ji8044]

That is the Jewish position. There is no such thing as original sin in Judaism.

[@stevepierce6467]

Yep. Each splinter sect of every religion has a different take on sin, and logically, they cannot all be correct. Thus, it is possible they are all incorrect.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

I disagree I think there is an issue in recognizing what sin even is. I would say the original sin is separation from God and as we can clearly see now that it's defined as that it is inherited. Otherwise there would be no need for the work of the cross. Each and every one of us from birth who we are our spirit man is dead it's in a fallen state as only God is life and it is not in God like the spirit of Adam and Eve was. Jesus being God his spirit was never separated from God or fallen thus no original sin and his blood is direct creation like Adam both born from the breath of God as in from God not Mary. That is how the sin of the father is passed on it's the separation from God and why incarnate Jesus could be sinless. So it's not the personal sin we inherent but the fruit of the first sin as we are the fruit of Adam not direct creation. Until our salvation that is.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Sin is simple to explain. It is a human-created abstract concept used by religions to tell their followers what to do and not to do. As we have become more civilized, most of our societies have adopted legal codes that cover everything that religions consider sinful.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

@@stevepierce6467 Sin is from the perspective of God not man otherwise it's subjective and holds no meaning. So you are exerting your apriori conviction no God exists and "that is the way it must have happened" for your argument when no one is coming from such a perspective not the God described by science or the Christian.

[@jonathanjohnston9272]

Thanks for another insightful dialogue. I appreciate that it was done with grace, rather than rancor. I missed the live version, but I'm glad the video is still available online. I'm probably badly paraphrasing Dr. Ross, but I believe he once wrote that not taking seriously the early chapters of Genesis makes it too easy to dismiss the rest of the Bible. "Mytho-History" sounds dangerous. I look forward to the next dialogue. Thanks, RTB!

[@ji8044]

There is no way to take seriously the concept of Noah's Flood except to state accurately that the writers of the Genesis had no idea they only occupied a tiny part of the world. 21st Century Christians get very hung up on the idea that the authors of the Bible knew everything that we do today. They did not.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

@@ji8044 I don't agree I think it's clear God is judging man not the earth like he did during Lucifers fall which gives us completely different destruction and flood. So only the world of man would need to be flooded. Perhaps even only the world of depraved man even.

[@eroberts718]

Awesomeness to have this available.

[@ronaldswift2716]

Wonderful, plain explanations that the layman for the most part can comprehend/understand. Thankyou

[@lancemepsted1145]

Loved this. Thank you Hugh, Bill and host. Made me laugh a number of times too mainly when you consider the absurdity of the naturalist views. Very enjoyable.

[@stevepierce6467]

Recognizing and understanding the natural world we live in is anything but absurd. Believing without any basis for such belief in the supernatural, now that's absurd.

[@Mrcrisis2012]

HI HUGH HAD A WONDERFUL VISIT WITH YOU IN HARARE ZIMBABWE...AT OUR CHURCH BORROWDALE CHRISTIAN CHURCH WHEN MY LATE WIFE AND I WERE ASSIGNED THERE TO THE US EMBASSY FROM 86-89.

[@directorchuks8156]

Great and insightful men

[@oliverronquillo8158]

This was fantastic. Great job Ken.

[@wadetisthammer3612]

The audio for this needs to be fixed.

[@brucegrayson7993]

Thanks, this is a wonderful dialogue.

[@RTB_official]

We appreciate your kind words-thanks for watching!

[@NewjanDrnl]

great dialoge 👍

[@SROWilkerson]

Dr. Billiam Lane Craig

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

Levi paid tithes while still in Abrahams loins. As Abraham was alive and paid tithes to Melchezedec, so the Lord said Levi paid them also while still in the loins of Abraham. Even though not born yet, the Lord saw Levi connected with an act that Abraham did.

[@timporter9723]

When are y’all doing this again? I like the idea of at least quarterly. Thanks to all three of you for what you do for the kingdom.

[@LTLKR-jh4zd]

To all the atheists that like to slander these men, you are what make people like us believe in Christ even more. You call them liars and deceivers or brainwashers. The two men arguably have more intellect and more reasoning capabilities along with much higher education than your entire bloodline. Do you stop and think to consider why it is that such brilliant scientific intellectual people hold their faith in God and the resurrection so much? If not, and you simply just dismiss it without ever opening your thoughts and mind to the good news that they are spreading, then you are simply a narrow minded individual with a stubborn mindset. If a dude came up to you and you were given the opportunity to read a thousand page book and that he would give you a billion dollars if you complete reading it within a year I bet you (as would I) would spend every waking moment trying to complete the book for the money. Yet the Bible gives a very high factually "probable"(If you would like to call it that) opportunity of everlasting life, which I am sure anyone would agree to be worth more than money or wealth. So why not open your heart and investigate properly instead of just labelling fellow people in the video who are just spreading the good news as liars and deceivers. Love y'all.

[@Runpulator]

TRANSLATION: "You won't agree with these 2 Apologists, so that makes us believe in Jesus even more! But boy am I mad about all you skeptics making Christians believe in Jesus even more!" 😂

[@LTLKR-jh4zd]

@@Runpulator 👍🏻

[@user-gd3se9fp5v]

Interesting dialogue. Two sympathetic and skilled mediators with great insight into the Christian faith. Both experts in their respective scientific fields. They should go the same way and invite two atheists to discuss topics with great tension, e.g. evolution and invite Richard Dawkins and Peter Atkins. It will give dynamism and great attention. But maybe no one dares.

[@ji8044]

Richard Dawkins and Peter Atkins represent only themselves. Atheism is not a religion.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

@@ji8044 ,...Atheism 100% is a religion! Atheism is the real religion of the entire Godless world as well as the religion of the entire 100% apostate church.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

All the people in this video are NOT Christians, they are atheists pretending to be Christians.

[@ji8044]

@@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445 You and I don't share the same real world, so further discussion would be pointless.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

@@ji8044 ,...Correct, we do not share the same world/reality. You are of the Godless world and are snared into the false, manmade, antigod, antibible, antichrist religion of the Godless world, (scientism) and I am not of this world or of any of its lies and deceptions. Jesus has set me apart as he sets apart all of the very, very, very few that he came to save. Those many, many, many that Jesus did not come to save are those who make up the church and the rest of the completely blind, lost, and deceived Godless world. And you are correct, no matter how much truth I give you, you will reject all of it and will not understand any of it. God has blinded and accursed all of you. I can only tell you, you ae completely deceived and to Repent!

[@jpoy77]

In the second coming of Jesus, the world will not end. Jesus and his followers will rule the planet for a thousand years before the earth will be destroyed.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

You have spoken absolute unbiblical ignorance and like all those in this video, you are not a Christian. Repent!

[@refuse2bdcvd324]

God's existence is logical. Materialism is mythological.

[@stevepierce6467]

A. The bible tells me god exists. B. The bible tells me that it is absolutely true. C, Therefore I believe that god exists. Yes, in that way, god's existence is logical. As for materialism being mythological, you might want to understand "mythological" first.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

@@stevepierce6467 Probability manifesting consistently rational outcomes is materialism, that's a definition of magic. Materialism/naturalism is a mythology of magic.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep I am not sure how rational they are, but the outcomes of all phenomena in nature are very consistent with the chemistry and physics that operates in all parts of nature. Materialism or naturalism or physicalism are all we have evidence for; there is no evidence for any supernatural phenomena or outcomes. Our solid tangible scientific knowledge is the farthest thing from myth and magic that there is.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

@@stevepierce6467 There is no evidence rationality comes from irrationality, the burden of proof is on the naturalist to substantiate their worldview claim. Naturalism has no core mechanism, it's a thin veneer of science covering a giant hollow shell for the above reason. The naturalist can't have their cake and eat it too, if rationality comes from irrationality the price to pay is all human achievement and personhood ceases to exist because the universe created everything then. That's why the multiverse is such an absurd theory.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

@@stevepierce6467 There is no evidence rationality comes from irrationality, the burden of proof is on the naturalist to substantiate their worldview claim. Naturalism has no core mechanism, it's a thin veneer of science covering a giant hollow shell for the above reason. The whole worldview is predicated on a deus ex.

[@adammw1646]

Brillinat

[@carolcarey6522]

I can’t hear the man speaking now. I can hear Hugh and the moderator

[@RTB_official]

There was some technical difficulties at the beginning. The audio was fixed at 4:35 and was good the rest of the conversation.

[@ji8044]

I didn't understand the reference to Sean Carroll by Dr. Ross who said if you believed that way, why would you get married. Was it asking the question why do atheists get married? Maybe I didn't pick up the whole conversation about that.

[@brucegrayson7993]

Hugh was saying if you are going to be so skeptical as to never affirm without certaincy, you could never be certaon enough to trust marriage

[@ji8044]

@@brucegrayson7993 Ok thanks for the clarification.

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

You do not have to teach a toddler to sin. They do it all by themselves. Now, they might not be cognazent of it yet, but the nature is there, and any parent (even unsaved parents) will tell you this. Where did this propensity to sin come from? Ye are of your Father the Devil. He sinned from the BEGINING. WHERE DID THIS SIN NATURE (BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS, "THE LAW OF SIN IN MY MEMBERS",) COME FROM THEN. WHERE DID THIS BENT TO SIN IN THE TODDLER COME FROM! ADAM, AND YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THIS. LORD JESUS WAS CONCEIVED, ALTHOUGH BY THE SPIRIT, AND THEREFORE DID NOT HAVE A PROPENCITY TO SIN. WHY? HE WAS NOT THROUGH ADAM LIKE WE AND THE TODDLER ARE.

[@ji8044]

Everything you have written so far is completely absurd.

[@adammw1646]

He is not from Adam bcos no male involved but the holy spirit is his father.mary was the channel for his arrival.

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

Exactly, scriptural thought. Thank you ​@@adammw1646

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

@@ji8044 Dear sir, In my Saviour Lord Jesus I forgive you for the spirit in which you delivered your comment. Although any saint whose mind is habitually in Lord Jesus' word will easily know the statements were scriptural, correct, and easily ascertainable through empirical evidence. So, "I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." Of course procreation was ordained by my Saviour, so that is not what is being spoken about. It is the connection with Adam, as Lord Jesus teaches us in Levi (not even born yet) connected with Abraham's act. Has Lord Jesus saved you from your sins? I pray so. Love to you neighbor, in my King Lord Jesus!

[@ji8044]

@@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018 Your idea that toddlers can sin, suggests that you lack even the slightest understanding of the concept of sin itself.

[@mandypants226]

I gotta say I would believe in god if somebody would just demonstrate god and why this god is worthy of worship. Instead we get videos like this. The problem with these videos and god in general is you get out what you put in. Of course everything fits when you posit a being that has attributes that are by definition solutions to whatever problem you’re having.

[@MutsPub]

Nonsense. You would not believe even if a talking asp bit you in the backside! 1) The universe had a beginning, Verse 1. 2) In Verse 2, the Earth was: a) Void of life b) Incapable of life c) Covered in darkness d) Covered with water 3) Land plants came before sea animals, Verse 11. There are 10 Creation events in the correct chronological sequence, documented on page 1 of Genesis from some 3500 years ago. These events happened thousands to billions of years before the author was born. That is not possible! Yet, there it is! I would say that the Creator of all matter, space, time, and energy is worthy of worship.

[@MarkVincent-v4i]

God is the greatest conceivable being! That is all the worthiness of God that anyone could ever think of as a great reason to believe.

[@glennsimonsen8421]

It sounds like you want someone else to do the work for you. You must sincerely seek God and He will make himself known to you.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

Paul wrote test everything and hold fast to that which is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Being a Christian isn't about blind faith. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which essentially means a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. It is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. All the disciples denied Jesus on the cross. All the miracles and evidence Jesus was God like walking on water raising the dead, hearing God from heaven speak and say this is my Son was not enough. So why would it be enough for you? It wouldn't. Christianity should have died on the cross with Jesus. But Pentecost happened. God the Holy Spirit came after like promised and his promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to you. That is when all the disciples would rather give their lives for Jesus than deny him, along hundreds of thousands who would die as martyrs in the Colosseum than deny Jesus, who was then made real to them more real than walking on water or raising the dead infront of them in person.

[@bisbeekid]

"He is the creator of all things" - maybe it was a she? We really don't know, do we? No one has ever adequately explained who or what the Christian God is or looks like. "God loves us as much as he loved the dinosaurs." Sam Harris

[@gregrice1354]

I guess Mr. Harris has not taken the time to read the Bible himself. John 14:8-9 "Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, "He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, 'Show us the Father'?" In this verse, Jesus is saying that seeing him is the same as seeing the Father. The remark about Dinosaurs is not a valid philosophical claim, argument, or conjecture, but it is clearly intended as an expression of ignorance and contempt of Mr. Harris' personal view of God. If you are serious about learning any of truth about God and the Bible, you should consider an organized way to investigate it. Write down all your questions and concerns, and save them in a notebook or document file. Date your questions. Add to them and not the resources you use, just as you cited Sam Harris, above. If you truly are interested, you can find many good research materials to evaluate your own questions, or focus on particular aspects about Jesus, and how to evaluate the truth claims of Jesus and the Bible. Have you looked at the Reasons To Believe KZbin channel yet? Give the Reasons office or local branch a phone call.

[@painterfamily4666]

I can't here Bill

[@RTB_official]

Sorry for the inconvience. The audio was fixed at 4:35 and was good the rest of the conversation.

[@painterfamily4666]

It came through later. thanks

[@ji8044]

"Over 200 different features of our galaxy must be fine tuned to make our existence possible" That idea rests on two assumptions: 1) that for 13.5 billion years, give or take, the goal of the universe was to produce humans, and 2) there can be no other way "life", however you define that, could have existed or does exist anywhere else in the universe. Was oil formed in the Mesozoic Era so that the Wright Brothers could invent the airplane? Were the one or more meteors which brought a close to the Cretaceous Era with its mass extinctions an intentional act on the part of universe or a random one? The fine tuning argument is a planet sized Pandora's Box which when opened has more puzzling contradictions than quantum physics.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Sure, buddy, because you defending your intelligence coming ultimately from nonintelligence is so obviously true!!!

[@Allthewayhome781]

On your points 1 there may have been many reasons God created the universe but even if it were just to produce humanity, what's the issue exactly? That God took His time to do so? 2 The fine tuning argument is more about the limited values many constants have to have to allow for any kind of universe to persist that could potentially lead to any kind of life whatsoever. For example many changes to the values of the constants would lead to either a quick end to the universe or a very simplistic universe and both are incompatible with life of any description.

[@ji8044]

@@davidjanbaz7728 That's just a meme. I could easily turn it around on you and say God came from nothing.

[@ji8044]

@@Allthewayhome781 All those constants are based on the foundation that humans WERE the goal of the universe though. In fact the more of those complicated factors you have the less it appears there was a deity involved. That's because call it what you will, God or the universe, they would have to be making millions of small changes over billions of years to arrive at the first homo sapien. Furthermore, they would have to spend most of that time wiping out what they had already created. I'm sure you know that an estimated 90-95% of all species which have ever existed are now extinct. For God to have done this, he would have to be extremely illogical. (thanks for the reply)

[@brucegrayson7993]

​@@ji8044iff God was of this creation, which He is not

[@elihernandez88]

Hugh Ross way too long-winded Craig must be thinking once upon an oversimplification. Now the moderator knows Craig would completely eradicate hughes's argument here and so he moves on to another subject.

[@timkhan3238]

Dr. Hugh Ross is rewriting the Bible according to his imagination. lol. Imagine applying a law to a world that you've never seen, live, and understanding. The Universe of PERFECTION. lol. Very illogical.

[@ji8044]

Christianity re-wrote the entire Old Testament, theologically speaking. So even if what you say is true; it's been going on for 2,000 years.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

All the men in this video are Godless men and they have nothing whatsoever to do with the Christianity of the Bible.

[@beheadedforthewitnesofjesu3445]

@@ji8044 ,...Repent of your Ignorance!

[@gregrice1354]

Hi Tim. I'm guessing you are from a background more familiar with the Koran, than with the Bible. Is that correct? You might be interested to know that the president of Reasons To Believe, Dr. Fazale Rana is from a Muslim family. I'm glad to see you are investigating serious questions about life, meaning, and God.

[@timkhan3238]

@gregrice1354 I am a TRUE PROTESTANT As a biblical PROTESTANT, I protest the FALSE doctrines of the Bloody Roman Catholic church, and that INCLUDE THEIR UNSCIENTIFIC BIG BANG THEORY, lol. As a true protestant, I PROTEST THE ECUMENICAL MOVEMENT of the anti-kjv Neo-Evangelicals movement. As BIBLE BELIEVERS PROTESTANT, I am a KJV ONLY. A HISTORICIST in ESCHATOLOGY, just like all THE REFORMERS. And C H SPURGEON too. YEC, young earth creation or SIMPLY PUT: PLAIN READING of the book of Genesis NOT CONTAMINATED with that MURDERER of the saints Bloody Roman Catholic Institution IMAGINATION BIG BANG THEORY. Answer in Genesis is a YEC. Dr. JASON LISLE is a YEC physicist NO HYPERBOLE READING of GENESIS 1. Sure, they're NOT KJV only. In summary. PROTESTANT anti ECUMENICAL YEC plain reading of Genesis YOUNG EARTH CREATION KJV only protestant Bible HISTORICIST REFORMERS ESCHATOLOGY