Rebellions and Choices | Louis Theroux | BBC Studios

[@kristinfrederick6867]

"If you preach to the world as hateful and full of condemned sinners, then the world will start to take that shape." 👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌

[@sashaspano588]

louis really has a way with words. i'm willing to bet this conversation got through to her; few people can make an impact like that on indoctrinated people.

[@Ludak021]

she is permanently stupid, there's no fixing that. She would be a scientologist if her parents were.

[@misakiyoshida]

You can tell that line got to her by the way she started trembling and looking around. She almost cracked

[@Disciple4life]

SHE IS BRILLIANT

[@MrKit9]

@@Disciple4life She is a gullible indoctrinated victim of religon.

[@fb079]

Louis is the master of silence he uses it to to force others to be vulnerable thus speak more openly.

[@billsloan]

Being Silent is a little thing called being Respectful enough to let the other Person talk.

[@fb079]

@@billsloan it's respectful however it can also be used as a tactic to extract information

[@billsloan]

@@fb079 He's a reporter. His Job is to non-Violently extract Information.

[@iand4374]

He would be a deadly police detective

[@Simon0]

I think Louis was getting through to her on some level thats why she looked like she was about to cry.

[@LJY08]

Yeah, I thought so too, he was breaking down the facade, which is why she attacked him and told him he was going to hell - then she couldn't get out of the car fast enough when he told her that he hadn't actually done anything to 'her', and when he presented her with the hatred that she accused 'sinners' of, when in reality, what THEY do is so much worse, she couldn't handle it, and just reverted to what she has been taught to say all these years. This woman sits there and says that "they hate us", yet it is THEY who preach intolerance and hate, and picket the funerals of grieving families - is there any more greater an example of a declaration of hate than that? Is there any greater example of disrespect for human life than that? Is there any greater example of a bunch of people who are clearly miserable and living in fear, but must convince themselves that it is not all in vane...when they know deep down? That it is... So, "if I'm miserable? Everyone else is going to be miserable too...". Amen and praise the lord!

[@amadan34]

she has since left and is now an atheist

[@raceandcrime]

amadan, "Phelps-Roper is no longer a practicing Christian, remarking on Twitter, "Jesus had some lovely ideas-but also others that aren’t so helpful. I don’t reject the good because of the bad, or accept the bad because of the good." She said she lost her faith: "Ultimately, it was looking at the texts themselves. I just don’t believe they’re divine."[12][13] - not much at wiki as i don't think this equates to atheism... u saw that she was atheist somewhere? she still uses the word divine, like something is?

[@kristenroberts4502]

This isn't Megan, this is her cousin Jael. She has not left the church and is a true believer, but she is married to a British fellow who joined the church and they have three children. I watched the whole documentary on dailymotion.

[@sydneyprescott5241]

amadan34 that's Megan

[@Dazen101]

"I havne't scoffed at you." I find that line so sad. You can tell Louis genuinely cares at that moment not just as a journalist/documentarian but as a human being trying to save another. Her laugh seems like an automatic defense mechanism to diffuse tension throughout this episode.

[@CherryDreamer96]

I disagree. I've watched these documentaries many times and I never got the impression that Louis wanted to "save" them. Challenge and confront them, yes. He seemed to have built a good rapport with the family and cared for them but I think it's fair to say there was a *hint* of scoffing particularly in the 2007 one. He is very sneaky, it's what makes him such a fantastic documentary film maker. In his early work it's more apparent than now. But I think the WBC caught on to his tactics pretty quickly

[@monolith-zl4qt]

@@CherryDreamer96 Sneaky how? If you devote your life to a certain world view or core philosophy, do you expect it to change because a reporter takes a few hours of visit?

[@tarasgarden1]

Honestly, this interaction was navigated so carefully by Louis that it brought me to tears. He only articulated to her that she was truly seen with love in such subtle ways, but they were loud because the ideals she spoke are so rarely met with such gentility.

[@nigelcarren]

That is a beautifully worded comment. I pondered your wonderfully-whittled-words for longer than I did the video. Respect 🌞

[@tarasgarden1]

@@nigelcarren thank you for saying so Nigel. A person rarely receives such an honest compliment. You seem to be thoughtful with your words as well.

[@roblittle8875]

Louis is very loving, yes, and she in her way is a loving being under subtle and not so subtle duress to conform. I think he was not mocking her; he was questioning her. May all souls be guided by the truest light within.

[@jesusisthelordsaviouralway8044]

The Son of God Jesus Christ came down from eternity and was born of a Virgin called Mary.God manifested in the flesh He was perfect and still is perfect Never committed one Sin. Because we us humans who are created beings are very sinful and need saving from our sins because the bible says Romans 6:23 King James Version 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Now the death in this verse means eternal death because sin builds a wage And the payment for our sins is eternal death in a literal fire burning hell for eternity. Revelation 21:8 King James Version 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Now because we have to be perfect to go to heaven and spend eternity in The kingdom of God with God not one Sin is allowed you see my friend it's not trying to be good enough to go to heaven we have to be perfect and we have a problem we all have Sin and still do Sin Romans 3:23 King James Version 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; So we can not do any works or even Good works to save ourselves from Hell for example water baptism Going to church trying not to Sin to go to heaven being a Good person We can not do any works to remove a sin because God says it is death for the sin Because sin is transgression of the law And to go to heaven by keeping the law we must be perfect not break it at any point keep it 100 percent perfect 1 John 3:4 King James Version 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Romans 3:20 King James Version 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. James 2:10 King James Version 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Galatians 2:21 King James Version 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. John 1:17 King James Version 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Trying to be Good by the works of the law to earn heaven as a reward will fail as shown in the scriptures The only one who has ever been on the earth with out commiting one Sin was Jesus The Christ the Son of God He is God who became The Son of man the God man 100 percent God 100 percent Man And God loves us but the Sin we have God hates it because it separates us from him So Jesus Christ went to the cross ✝️ He who knew no Sin became Sin for us and was crucified on a tree and shed he's blood dieing for our Sins every single one it is finished was the last words Jesus said before he Died for the sins of the world Then he was buried and rose again the third day bodily he's alive and a living saviour he is God that can save he is seated right now in heavenly places 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 King James Version 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: All we have to do to receive that payment onto our account is believe he did it for us that he payed for all our sins and we get forgiveness of all our sin past present And future he payed for them all. Which means When we Trust in him and believe we cannot go to hell for our sins Because we have no sins to to pay for. It's by Grace something we don't deserve not any works of any kind. God gets all the glory and no created Man will be boosting before God saying he earned heaven by he's works the bible is clear on this my friend. God is the saviour not us We are not co saviour we either believe or we don't there is too types of People unbelievers in Sin death or believers in Christ Life eternal. We can not save ourselves by our works to earn eternal life and be Justified before a holy God. Its by Grace its a Gift according to the scriptures we are Justified. Romans 3:24 King James Version 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: we deserve hell but thank God he made a way and its Good news he is doing the saving not us faith is not a work praise the Lord It is a one moment in time to trust In Christ alone believe he died for our sins shedding he's blood as the substitute for us on the cross and was buried showing he was dead and Resurrection showing the payment is complete to the world on the third day. Alone put your faith in Him. in God as saviour a living saviour Be Justified by the Blood of Christ hes death for our sins. God gave us grace something we don't deserve he took the death we deserve. And we get the righteousness of God by faith onto our account and all Sins removed a complete transaction saved from eternal death and receive Christ eternal life all by the Grace of God And then we can know we are going to heaven praise The Lord And we can never lose eternal Life once we have Trusted in Christ alone and believe in what he did for us on the cross. And we can know right now in time we have eternal life and no sin or bad work.Can ever change that. The life is eternal not temporary life this is the true God of the bible its salvation not probation. 1 John 5:13 King James Version 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Ephesians 1:13 King James Version 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, John 10:28 King James Version 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Trust in Christ Jesus to save you and believe in the Gospel and receive the gift of eternal life I urge whomsoever reads this message. And I pray Father that there heart Mind hears it and turns to God in faith alone to save them In Jesus Christ name Amen. 🙏

[@mathhomework4209]

@@jesusisthelordsaviouralway8044 and?

[@tomismop]

2:40 the ultimate irony. "What did we ever do to them?" with a sign saying no tears for queers held up right next to her

[@Skyler_Momoko]

Lmao I know right. I noticed that too and almost wanted to scream some sense into her through the screen!

[@GhostDrops1]

True

[@evelina2363]

“That’s kind of a weird kind of courtesy”

[@fredeast9289]

It kinda turns the whole touching scene into a comedy sketch!

[@windybeach2184]

They’re just courtesy signs :/

[@adamhendrickson512]

Their smiles and laughs are soulless. The kind of feeling when you know you are doomed and there is nothing you can do to stop it. So you laugh.It's like something inside them has died...

[@rm9308]

@Rex Rampage That was her sister who left. Jael at the end of this convo is reciting to Louis what she's heard elders use a thousand times to evade serious criticism and appeals to decency. She was taking her final exam in this clip. She's married deeper into the cult and has kids she'll do the same thing to.

[@GaryM67-71]

gas-lighting sinners.

[@luhole]

I don’t think her laughs are soulless. It sounds to me like the sort of laugh you do when you both know your argument is making no sense but you’re refusing to concede so it’s a way of subtly deflecting. She’s had children with another now-member so I think she’s well beyond convincing, but I do think she had her doubts.

[@jesusisthelordsaviouralway8044]

The Son of God Jesus Christ came down from eternity and was born of a Virgin called Mary.God manifested in the flesh He was perfect and still is perfect Never committed one Sin. Because we us humans who are created beings are very sinful and need saving from our sins because the bible says Romans 6:23 King James Version 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Now the death in this verse means eternal death because sin builds a wage And the payment for our sins is eternal death in a literal fire burning hell for eternity. Revelation 21:8 King James Version 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Now because we have to be perfect to go to heaven and spend eternity in The kingdom of God with God not one Sin is allowed you see my friend it's not trying to be good enough to go to heaven we have to be perfect and we have a problem we all have Sin and still do Sin Romans 3:23 King James Version 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; So we can not do any works or even Good works to save ourselves from Hell for example water baptism Going to church trying not to Sin to go to heaven being a Good person We can not do any works to remove a sin because God says it is death for the sin Because sin is transgression of the law And to go to heaven by keeping the law we must be perfect not break it at any point keep it 100 percent perfect 1 John 3:4 King James Version 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Romans 3:20 King James Version 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. James 2:10 King James Version 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Galatians 2:21 King James Version 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. John 1:17 King James Version 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Trying to be Good by the works of the law to earn heaven as a reward will fail as shown in the scriptures The only one who has ever been on the earth with out commiting one Sin was Jesus The Christ the Son of God He is God who became The Son of man the God man 100 percent God 100 percent Man And God loves us but the Sin we have God hates it because it separates us from him So Jesus Christ went to the cross ✝️ He who knew no Sin became Sin for us and was crucified on a tree and shed he's blood dieing for our Sins every single one it is finished was the last words Jesus said before he Died for the sins of the world Then he was buried and rose again the third day bodily he's alive and a living saviour he is God that can save he is seated right now in heavenly places 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 King James Version 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: All we have to do to receive that payment onto our account is believe he did it for us that he payed for all our sins and we get forgiveness of all our sin past present And future he payed for them all. Which means When we Trust in him and believe we cannot go to hell for our sins Because we have no sins to to pay for. It's by Grace something we don't deserve not any works of any kind. God gets all the glory and no created Man will be boosting before God saying he earned heaven by he's works the bible is clear on this my friend. God is the saviour not us We are not co saviour we either believe or we don't there is too types of People unbelievers in Sin death or believers in Christ Life eternal. We can not save ourselves by our works to earn eternal life and be Justified before a holy God. Its by Grace its a Gift according to the scriptures we are Justified. Romans 3:24 King James Version 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: we deserve hell but thank God he made a way and its Good news he is doing the saving not us faith is not a work praise the Lord It is a one moment in time to trust In Christ alone believe he died for our sins shedding he's blood as the substitute for us on the cross and was buried showing he was dead and Resurrection showing the payment is complete to the world on the third day. Alone put your faith in Him. in God as saviour a living saviour Be Justified by the Blood of Christ hes death for our sins. God gave us grace something we don't deserve he took the death we deserve. And we get the righteousness of God by faith onto our account and all Sins removed a complete transaction saved from eternal death and receive Christ eternal life all by the Grace of God And then we can know we are going to heaven praise The Lord And we can never lose eternal Life once we have Trusted in Christ alone and believe in what he did for us on the cross. And we can know right now in time we have eternal life and no sin or bad work.Can ever change that. The life is eternal not temporary life this is the true God of the bible its salvation not probation. 1 John 5:13 King James Version 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Ephesians 1:13 King James Version 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, John 10:28 King James Version 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Trust in Christ Jesus to save you and believe in the Gospel and receive the gift of eternal life I urge whomsoever reads this message. And I pray Father that there heart Mind hears it and turns to God in faith alone to save them In Jesus Christ name Amen. 🙏

[@saramfrye]

I met a man who was raised to think the apocalypse was going to happen at any minute, and when he stopped believing that he said he woke up every day with hope bc he felt so doomed before that

[@STUNTS1516]

It's really well captured when she says "people are so mean to us, and what did we do?" And through the car window you can see them holding up a sign that says "no tears for queers". It's like Louis and his crew really tapped in to the almost core lack of reality of a cult mindset

[@Dave-lz3rm]

Yes, very accurate. Only the ones who made the decision to leave seem to see it, as they have spoken out against what they were doing.

[@cheesecake134]

The girls of this family were so interesting to me when I watched this doc. I got the sense all of them had that small seed of doubt inside them, like they just knew "this isn't right" but had no way of actually getting out. I'm so glad Megan and her sister found the courage. I think this one is sadly a lost cause now.

[@alm6356]

Carter Pewterschmidt she is out

[@queenkinleypoo]

Alison Morrissey no, Jael is not out

[@cheesecake134]

Yeah, unfortunately she's not out. She got married, has at least one kid, and has shown herself to be fully committed to her family/church beliefs. She's on Twitter, @JaelHolroyd.

[@snowwhiterosered732]

Hopefully her children will reject all of the nonsense the family wants to instill

[@Skyler_Momoko]

@@cheesecake134 I just read your comment yesterday "... family/church beliefs. She's on Twitter, @JaelHolroyd." so I thought I might as well check out her twitter. I thought about what Megan Phelps said about reaching out with kindness so I tried to do that and sent her a loving message saying that we're not all evil outsiders and that we love her and would love to see her find her way out and be free but she replied "No need for your pity Skyler" and just sent me a bunch of heart emoji's. Like girl - you think I deserve to stoned for being gay and hate us Muslims too don't send meh heart emoji's 😂😂 lmao I tried.

[@Bayhuntr]

I think she is tormented and trying to convince herself. She has a hint of morality, but the indoctrination has her terrified of the hell her grandfather has made up. This one family member I can almost feel sorry for. Almost.

[@Simon0]

i am intelligent person but i still fear going to hell. I cant help it.

[@LJY08]

Almost, but I must say, I struggle to feel sorry for ANYONE who does not have the presence-of-mind to realise that picketing the funerals of anyone who 'offends' THEIR view of the world; putting those families through an extra layer of hell on top of what they are already suffering - then arguing that "they hate us, and we are just trying to warn them". Seriously, my patience and sense of compassion are practically non-existent, and my desire to challenge them to defend themselves (knowing full well that they can't), just takes over - and I do so enjoy nailing them to the ground and leaving them with even a modicum of the misery they have inflicted on countless victims of their absurdity. In the words of the late-great William Melvin Hicks "welcome to 'no sympathy' night; welcome to 'you're wrong' night", because you are simply affording them a courtesy that they outright deny the victims of their abuse; they interject where they are not wanted or needed for reasons beyond any decent human understanding; they drive young people to kill themselves with their hatred; they deny women basic human rights, and then have the freakin' audacity to tell others that they are evil and going to hell! That it is THEY who are the victims, and that people are "mean to them"....WHAAAAAAAAT??? These kinds of people are destroying humanity and the Earth, and the time for compassion and understanding for their absurd belief systems has come-and-gone, these people have to be silenced one-way-or-another; we need them out of the halls of power (in any capacity), and relegated to cult status - because that is all they are worthy of, and if we turn it into the circus that it is - point and laugh - maybe, just maybe, people will start to realise that this absurdity has to stop, and that anyone who subscribes to this way of thinking should be (in the words of the late-great Christopher Hitchens), "selling pencils from a cup".

[@LJY08]

Why? I'm an Atheist and I don't fear any of that stuff. Trust me, you've got nothing to fear, so just live your life and try and be the best person you can be. There is no hell, and there is no heaven, there is only the here-and-now, so please don't waste your time with fear and worry, because that's no way to live. Just take a deep breath and let it all go, and say to yourself "I am a good person, I work hard and treat every living thing on this planet with respect and courtesy, for it was a gift from the divine. I can do no more than this, but what more is required of me Lord?" How loving can your god be if he wants you to live in fear of his wrath, when you are just trying to be the best person you can be? Any god that punishes you for trying to be the best person you can be isn't a god worth worshiping anyway. You don't need a god or the promise of utopia for the 'worshipers' and eternal hell fire for...what exactly? The sinners? Or just the people who lived a good and humble life, but just didn't quite worship enough for god's satisfaction?, to live a good life that you can be proud of, and which enriches the lives of every person who crosses your path. I mean, how can god be mad at that?

[@Simon0]

yeah i hope you are right! I mean heaven would be fine.. but not hell! but if there is a hell i think only the really really evil people should go there. Its a disproportionate puinishment for sending someone to hell for smaller sins especially if you say it lasts eternity.

[@onlygood222]

Bayhuntr she left the group

[@karangupta4615]

2:40 perhaps the greatest shot in cinema history.

[@petequig]

I love the bit when she was feeling sorry for her lot,asking "what did we do to anyone " and her family are literally loading hateful signs into the truck.

[@HingleMcCringleberryPSU]

it's unbelievable, you couldn't write it better

[@yamgemy]

Didn’t catch that myself, that absolutely spot on what sanctimonious cunt she was

[@HingleMcCringleberryPSU]

​@@yamgemy But people aren't just born evil, that's a core belief of theirs. This doco does a great job of showing how fucked to the core their beliefs are but also showing that they only have an illusion of choice in their lives, that's what happens when people are raised with a cultish isolation from society. She literally can't imagine a single second of being happy while being alive on this planet, that's why her moral code is so fucked up.

[@slacproductions9595]

I feel for her in that situation though. She experienced those things as a kid with people cursing at them, yelling at them, flipping them off etc... and at that point she was holding signs for things she didn’t even know about. So she had no understanding of why the world hated her and thought they were doing it for no reason. With her family she at least has a community. I think it would be hard for me to overcome that as well especially when as a child the world seemed to hate me for reasons I didn’t understand. I would probably be scared and resentful of the world too if I grew up the way she did. So then I’d retreat back to the only thing I knew, which would be my family.

[@futurecultleader3060]

juxtaposition

[@Velvettyy_]

is it just me or did she seem upset when she brought up that shun her at school? i feel like deep down she seems lonely and doesnt want to be apart of that Baptist church. 🤔

[@mragunathan1627]

Yeah her voice started trembling, its so obvious that the hate she vents is sadness for her childhood.

[@hqi1321]

She left the church sometime ago and is a public speaker now. She did aTed talk at some point

[@bigbelix]

Pretty simple, by being born into the church you are isolated by your peers with the only social and positive interactions coming directly from people related to the church. They are pretty much hostages from the start.

[@jmjmjam]

She left the church, and has a Ted Talk explaining why she left and how she knows the WBC is wrong. Your premonitions were correct.

[@mariahclaar7915]

@jmjmjam this is Jael Phelps, not Megan Phelps-Roper. Megan did the Ted Talk.

[@artorias6502]

Louis managed to break through here. It was remarkable.

[@castellanossable]

That ironic smile and laugh they all have is so damn weird.

[@LJY08]

...it's desperation, that's all it is.

[@castellanossable]

LJY08 It's an involuntary and nervous smile. I think it's a natural way to hide all their anger.

[@LJY08]

Alejandro Castellanos ...and confusion. They know it's wrong, but cling onto it because it's their whole life. Everything that means anything to them is tied up in the 'cause'. Make no mistake, it's one massive cult mentality. Isolate and conquer - it's worked for millennia.

[@sydneyprescott3374]

So weird....almost evil like

[@sydneyprescott3374]

@Abu Hajaar she talks about people going to hell and she smiles while doing it

[@tommiatkins3443]

Louis trying to save this girls life. He's a hero.

[@GaryM67-71]

No, he serves Satan, he wants her in hell too.

[@JoeyBongas]

Didn't she also actually leave the church?

[@JoeyBongas]

Or maybe it was her sister.

[@windybeach2184]

She seems to be deep in it still, brainwashing a new generation like she was. Training children to spread hate to others, and expect to be hated in return. It must be incredibly difficult to extract yourself from their indoctrination, but I can’t imagine putting my own children through that if I had even a speck of doubt.

[@jimmyk9523]

@@JoeyBongas She's still in

[@TheWolf-zv7fg]

Louis staring into her soul when she turned around is tremendous

[@BigEvan96]

"You're a scoffer and a mocker". Pot calling the kettle black.

[@Tyronejizz]

Yeah seems like she is going to hell to

[@flipper2392]

Louis meets some really scary people on his travels but this family are on a different level.

[@windybeach2184]

The scariest part is that they think they are being kind to people, by spreading hate and fear, and deliberately preying on people at vulnerable times.

[@Bella-Mae0422]

Louis hit a nerve with her which is why she started attacking him with “You’re going to Hell”. She talks about how “they hate us bc we spread the truth” when no they hate them bc all their church does is judge and spread hate. Jael knew what he said was possibly true but she’s too far into the cult now and that church is the only thing she knows, she’s scared to leave the only thing she knows since that church taught her that outside of that church is nothing but the devils playground, scared her to believing she has to stay to avoid Hell. She’s too far gone to ever leave now, she’s just as lost into it as Shirley is now. It’s a shame that a pretty girl like her who seems very smart was born into that cult and isn’t strong enough to leave it like the others.

[@Skyler_Momoko]

true

[@fart_a_lotti]

She left the church an speaks on ted talk about it

[@IncredibleIceCastle]

furzi e that’s the wrong one I’m pretty sure

[@vanessam8278]

Elijah Gavin nooo it’s Megan in this clip and Megan did the Ted talk

[@jimzafiriou7808]

@@vanessam8278 This video is Jael, not Megan.

[@vynder3304]

"What did we ever do to them?" condemning their dead loved ones?

[@charismorgan2706]

This is so fascinating I can't stop watching these clips

[@straightletterz2596]

because God is calling you, these people are telling the truth but it is disgusting to disturb peoples funerals and not Christian at all

[@andrewrubio3093]

@@straightletterz2596 stfu pls

[@dw1811]

@@straightletterz2596 you been on that spice my dude

[@windybeach2184]

@@straightletterz2596 these groups convince more and more people that there can’t be a god

[@ayleenb1395]

"we don't do violence to people". Words can be violent. Even the absence of words can be violent. She even said it herself. The kids in school never wanted to talk to her. That hurt. How can she not see?

[@tc98826]

No - words can not be violent. This is anti free speech talk.

[@toadfaceass]

Words cannot be violent you massive wet wipe.

[@TheHarveyRyan]

Words cannot be violent, peddling the same shite this church does.

[@RaferJeffersonIII]

“Words can be violent” is just a transparent way to ask for the legal system to treat speech in the same way as physical assault, and I’m not buying it and neither should you

[@gwkiv1458]

@@RaferJeffersonIII it's a KZbin comment

[@magica1355]

I always felt she was so much warmer and kinder than Megan and Libby and Sara and that she'd be more likely to escape. I get so sad for her watching this. Im sorry she didnt make it out. Bless those other girls for proving that you still CAN be free of this indoctrination and can open your heart and mind. Im still praying for her and Rebekah and Taylor and all the boys. Hope they see the light some day.

[@HighCarbDiabeticV]

What's her name?

[@warriorclass1040]

Jael

[@christomanci]

Oh i thought she was megan.

[@forevermore5118]

There’s still time for her yet!

[@arthurdent6828]

I wish for all religious people to be free of the indoctrination and that's exactly how all religions work. Most just aren't as open with their morally corrupted views as these a-holes, yet they still have them.

[@themeatspot5020]

Jael was a fitting name for name, she took evry opportunity to self disclose to Loui, she genuinely needed someone to be there for her.

[@chrisbuss3208]

She's actually a sweetheart, and you don't understand the human mind if you don't feel sorry for her or the other sons/daughters. It's all they've ever known and been taught. They believe they're doing the best thing for others

[@homsterluder5364]

meanwhile her family is walking around with signs that say "no tears for queers" but yeah such a sweetheart

[@GaryM67-71]

they literally ARE doing the best thing for others. Truth = love.

[@hundinger1]

@@GaryM67-71 What truth?

[@GaryM67-71]

@@hundinger1 The truth that we are God's creation, at war with evil ones, and the only way to win is by faith through Jesus and a righteous life.

[@hundinger1]

@@GaryM67-71 Who are the evil ones in your opinion?

[@capitalstatek9training429]

That was actually a really deep conversation.

[@ArayArmenian]

"Your'e a mocker and a scoffer" She says as she mocks and scoffs Louis. Yikes.

[@yabelli-eq2vv]

SHE clearly smiles and giggles in his presence... I think she kinda likes this reporter

[@marielatapia4801]

Yes I thought the same

[@ThughomieG]

She definitely has a crush on him... But cannot do anything about it because of her religion... She's hurting inside because she knows her church is bullshit but she is afraid to leave it

[@UnitAlir]

2:45 The irony absolutely murdered me so badly, even Umbridge was shocked.

[@beau9956]

"Death is of the tongue, if you talk about death enough, death is going to come" - If you put out negativeness then you will only illicit negativeness from those you come into contact with. If you're calling people hateful and sinners then they will react hatefully towards you, its as simple as that.

[@Wriggs74]

Yeah That makes a lot of sense. 👍

[@filipzawistowski4390]

Damn he's good.

[@martingonzalez824]

No he isn't.

[@lazlow9640]

@@martingonzalez824 nah you don't get it, he's really good at coxing information in a way that makes them act self reflectively when they recant it. Saying it simply and starkly makes them understand the illogical or incorrect way in which think towards their beliefs.

[@martingonzalez824]

@@lazlow9640 I do get it. But he, like the rest of them have a anti-white and anti-Christian message. You seem not to get that. PS: I'm not religious. I'm an agnostic. I'm more than sick and tired, as to what's actually really happening.

[@dac545j]

@@martingonzalez824 Yes, he is.

[@thesiren05]

@@martingonzalez824 Anti-white and anti-Christian? To my mind the main groups which fit into the white, Christian category that Louis has documented were; the Westboro Baptist Church, a neo-nazi group, and I think also some remnants of the KKK. He treated each of them with courtesy, and allowed them to tell their stories - which is more than any of them deserve. It's not his fault that these groups give white Christians a bad name. A solution might be for them to stop spouting such vile hatred towards anyone who doesn't conform to their twisted outlook of the world, or don't have the same cultural/ethnic/religious background as them. Just a thought.

[@silvershadowjsh]

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven”, Luke 6:37

[@algot34]

God doesn't exist.

[@thejawgz6719]

This was hard to watch. You can tell they noticed Louis became attached to her in the first documentary (in the sense that he sensed a conflict of morality in her) and trained her to be hostile to him/actively resist him in the second, many years later. They ruined her and you can see Louis's hope for her sanity gradually deflate as she goes on her rant.

[@rooneye]

She seems so nice when she's not being evil. I kinda like her. Bless her.

[@bramzwaan8769]

It is absolutely amazing to compare this stadium of Megan’s life with her state now. She’s an incredible human activist now! When she was asked about gay marriage she said: “I’m completely for it, love is love!” She’s a true inspiration of human evolution!

[@aseriesofunfortunateserpen8800]

Ironic, Gays not reproducing and all.

[@bramzwaan8769]

@@aseriesofunfortunateserpen8800 wut

[@arthurdent6828]

You may know already by now but this isn't Megan..

[@marksmith5696]

So go love a turtle then. Love is love afterall!! I want to marry my fucking turtle!!!

[@TotsNater]

​@marksmith5696 Yes, because two consenting adults deciding to wed is quite obviously the same thing as someone fucking an animal. Well done, genius.

[@momomils2982]

This girl gives me “mom from Carrie” vibes so much.

[@leonamay8776]

"They're mean to us." - "but youre mean to them." "But when we do it, it's OK..."

[@wherethewindrests3320]

As one that left such an organization I can tell you that it's incredibly, unexpectedly HARD to do it! Especially if you're born into it. Think about it like this: it's like waking up almost paralysed and having to fight to gather the strength and walk. I'm an Eastern Orthodox christian now. One of the hardest choices I've ever had to make. Most definitely the best!

[@gregscrabshack2307]

You have to leave your family & everything you’ve ever known. Incredibly difficult

[@windybeach2184]

Absolutely. Well done! What do you think would help other victims of religious brainwashing?

[@pwgearedturbofan2348]

Dang, this guy is a journalist. It's almost like he was fencing; he was delicate, precise, and hard hitting while not being offensive. You could tell he was making her think. Side note, I'd like to convert her, lol. She was a cutie even back then.

[@6178s]

@@Tom-uv7ry please don't be a creep

[@6178s]

@@Tom-uv7ry oh my bad I @'ed the wrong person. I meant that at Google Andrew Yang

[@Tom-uv7ry]

@@6178s ye sorry my language

[@6178s]

@@Tom-uv7ry all good bro

[@mmcmann9539]

I was thinking the same thing. He is so good at what he does. He is somehow able to put aside any personal feelings that he has and see them as humans, while having a certain type of innocence in his questioning and likability, so they are able to let their guard down.

[@saramae2516]

Growing up in the area, and going to school with members of this group, I will say, and can only speak for myself, I never felt anger towards the individuals I went to school with just fear from the group.

[@knugenavswarje734]

Matthew 5:44-45b: "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven."

[@mrjules2008]

Thanks. I’m not into my scriptures but that’s a real nice one I’ll remember.

[@SammyxSweetheart.02]

They only read the Old Testament not the new one sadly

[@rhymeocerous]

These two had undoubted chemistry

[@mnshp7548]

"im ashamed of any nonsense " another way of saying im ashamed of having any fun

[@benhoshinji]

she is a very intelligent person which is shown by the fact she made louis out (referring to him as a mocker and a scoffer). he looks genuinely surprised as most of the people he speaks with just takes his character at face value and gives very little thought to why he is acting in this way. throughout this episode you could see there was a good relationship between these two. i think this scene shows the strength of brainwashing/indoctrination bearing in mind how clever the girl is.

[@GaryM67-71]

Yeah, Louis is definitely indocrinated into his Satanic cult. It's a war, and he loses.

[@tc-lr7tn]

She is about as clever as a teenager arguing about doing homework!

[@MrDylanHole]

I think also that Louis is amazed that he found someone that could articulate their motives better than he could argue against them.

[@GaryM67-71]

@@sunkintree Mr NPC would know about this.

[@Jeremycook_]

Mocker and scoffer is just church speak that her parents taught her to say to people who talk bad about what her church does.

[@stassy3117]

Jael was so taken by her mothers words, i think she got so lost too, that she needed to cling to the safety of her mother and needed to please her and has never let that go.

[@jimmyb1356]

“I fear god, I fear going to hell, I certainly hope I’m not going there.” Doesn’t sound like someone who knows Christ

[@rmd8873]

put a god into any situation, and things go tits up!!

[@jimmyb1356]

sunset but, put God into the situation and you’ll be ok 👍🏽

[@thejew1789]

@@jimmyb1356 which one?

[@autumnasters]

You'd be surprised how many churches drill this kind of thinking and so that they can control the congregation. This is especially true for some COGIC Baptist black churches from back south whose Origins are rooted in slavery

[@chilliecheesecake]

Spoken like someone who's never read Proverbs. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

[@km2282]

I can’t imagine what it must be like to be afraid of your god, just the thought makes me so sad

[@tupoiu]

probably about as bad as being afraid of death

[@carl_hansson]

@@tupoiu I don't think so really. I mean most of us don't really think about death that much up until the end of our lives when it is actually happening or maybe if we get sick or get in some accident. Most of us live our lives without a care about the death that will inevitably come to us all. It is almost like it is filtered out. At least that's how it is with me, but hey, I may just be a weirdo, who knows? But when it comes to the god fearing people of the world they are constantly reminded of this fear, every day most likely. It must be very exhausting to be reminded of something like that each day. That said there is certainly merit in this fear, maybe not so much in the fear in itself but rather in being constantly reminded about something. It forces you to live actively and most likely helps you lead a more productive life in the end. However in this case it is quite clear that this fear of god has sadly been turned into something which is only counterproductive.

[@jujuonthatqueef5043]

That’s all Christianity is 😂 as a dude who went to catholic school literally my entire life, fear of god keeps everyone in check

[@JBthree24]

I’ve always had the impression there was somewhat chemistry between Jael and Louie the first time I saw this YEARS ago

[@MAYK1NG]

She going to preach her way of life to us whether we like it or not. So 'courteous'.

[@timjensen8599]

It's incredible how Louis can stay calm and be so non threatening, he must be incredibly har to get mad at 😇

[@windybeach2184]

Luckily, these church members have a lifetime of practicing getting mad at innocent people

[@troywright359]

"If I had any rebellious, do you think I would tell you?" ......that's called a testimony

[@Sam-eh8tf]

Poor girl.. she's so beautiful. So sad that she's been raised like this to this level of severity

[@geertwilders1147]

For some reason, i’d like to sit down with her every week or so, and just chill. Just talk like they were talking when they were parked, and slowly get her to understand that even she herself must know that what she and her community thinks is wrong.

[@lenitaa7938]

Louis helped her.. She left the Church.. You can find Meghan on KZbin doing various interviews!

[@warriorclass1040]

@UC91VUvg_KukdC0XSeZXdLkw dumbass.. that's not meghan.. its jael.. different girl

[@breakfast917]

The reason is you imagine her being so grateful she'd take you to bed 🛌 " sit down and chill" 🤭🤣🤣🤣 with a brainwashed teenager?? Oh yeah I'll bet its for some reason 😁😁😁

[@jmjames7880]

@@breakfast917 wtf?? why did your mind go there? you weirdo. do better.

[@windybeach2184]

@@lenitaa7938 That wasn’t her, sadly

[@trueindeed76]

"That quite a weird kind of courtesy..." LOL

[@cgrogers96]

Religion aside. Jael seems like a really nice girl. I hope she gets out

[@alexandraweiher5868]

Carolina Rogers Sadly it’s not very likely at this point. She’s now married (to some British guy who converted) and they have three children together. Megan, who left the church, said in the most recent Louis Theroux documentary that it becomes much harder to leave when you marry.

[@autumnasters]

She's not. That personality was programmed into her it's a great way to hide nastiness Underneath It All especially given their beliefs

[@TallSilentGuy]

Her name is "Jael"!?

[@cgrogers96]

@@TallSilentGuy Yes. “Jael” is also a biblical name

[@nadominhoca]

2:40... You gotta love this.... "what did we do to them?! nothing but courtesy" While at the same time her 11 year old brother is unloading signs from the truck that says "NO TEARS FOR QUEERS"..

[@Monscent]

Damn, she aint dumb though. She did have Louis pegged when she called him a scougher and a mocker. He really IS that.

[@robprendergast1722]

she's like a cute puppy in a corner who has been treated badly her whole life and all you want for her is to be released and be safe..

[@GaryM67-71]

nonsense, she's a fesity gal, doing great work for God. And is cute too.

[@windybeach2184]

Running around, looking for innocent people to bite

[@robprendergast1722]

She is a man. I am a woman. I punch chickens sometimes when my dad ditches baseball practice..

[@kathrinbizzarro8234]

“We warn them” ok how about warning them lovingly. Not showing up at ppl’s funerals who you never even knew. And who made you God? Did God Himself tell u to do this? Where’s the transformative love and grace that sets Christianity apart from other religions? I don’t see it in this church

[@chuckd5877]

This chick was born into this shit and has since left

[@ohwhatworld5851]

I watched a series on Netflix called Midnight Mass. The girl reminds me of the overly zealous main character in that series. She thought she was so pure and doing 'Gods work', but she was downright sadistic. (spoiler) At the end of the final episode, she had been turned in to a vampire. The sun was coming up and there was no shelter to hide in so she was going to die. She had seemingly accepted her fate and was sitting on a beech. Just as the sun started coming up, she realised that she was in fact a terrible person, and was likely going to hell for all of her misdeeds, so she started furiously digging in the sand to escape the sun while crying..... I think that is what this girl and her family would do.

[@jomoeiviem7619]

She does looks like bev lmao

[@ihi675]

I just want to shake her and say...."we" don't hate you. We love you. I'm so glad she's found peace

[@windybeach2184]

She has not found peace yet

[@jt______]

2:41 what did we do to them? *unloads hateful pickets in the background*

[@sydneyprescott3374]

That happened at a perfect moment , it said "no tears for queers" as she said"what did we do to them"??😅

[@A_New_Error]

I just love these kind of videos.

[@Hoganply]

You can see, even during the stressful mental gymnastics her brain undergoes, her empathy is resilient in the way she reframes unnecessarily cruel acts as abstractly empathetic. Part of her can't countenance, though, that this minimal tether is nonexistent.

[@JoshuaDillonn]

In English

[@windybeach2184]

Any empathy here is deeply misguided. She’s full of hate and spreading that to others, pretending that it’s love.

[@Hoganply]

@@windybeach2184 'Full of hate' is hardly how I'd put it, but if the effects are the same it doesn't matter. My point is that the effect - her approach - isn't the same.

[@64offsuiter]

Teacher here.We are now completing courses on radicalisation to spot it and provide support in dealing with it. I wonder if the US has similar systems/programmes in place for teachers/police/social workers? This group are really radicalised and need dealing with by the law.

[@ThumpRat]

I hope this radicalisation includes those who adopt gender ideology

[@HolographicSweater]

she’s a very nice, charming, attractive young woman

[@MattSingh1]

*"Charming", claims this imbecile.*

[@benadams1661]

The way he sits there disarmingly meek and still, he's very good at being almost invisible when need be to allow the subject to open up almost like she's taking to a mirror

[@chriswatson3464]

She's like the most fanatical, of the church, I don't know why Louis spent so much time on her. She just seems to find it really funny.

[@warriorclass1040]

It's all fun and games to her...

[@therealwhitebob]

God bless you Jael and Louis your both going upstairs! NO doubt!!

[@veronicalyons9695]

so sad to see the daughter project her shame and dismissal of her own feelings onto Louis. she accuses him of scoffing at her, and when he reminds her that he hasn't... she scoffs.

[@Quiter19]

The smiles don't reach the eyes.

[@johnfairweather9188]

This is how effective the indoctrination of children can be. Religion teaches parents how to teach children what to think, not how to think.

[@violinfire24]

If you really have a heart to see souls saved, live amongst your neighbor and love them daily. You cannot force people to turn to the Most High. We are known by our love.

[@raceandcrime]

2:35 had to LOL as i had no idea the white truck would be connected to her, as the FUN SIGNS are lifted out of the bed ;)

[@crappymeal]

The reason she does what she does is the same reason we all judge and point fingers at people, because people point fingers at us, its a feedback loop

[@ataterito-niwa1427]

The way he looked at her at the end lol

[@rob_3417]

Ata Te Rito-Niwa marry me

[@texanswreck2011]

Louis: I'm getting them gutts tonight

[@JBthree24]

Always thought there was an attraction between these two

[@victorwho744]

@@JBthree24 Yep, there's a weird thing going on between those 2

[@whospilledmybeans]

How can you expect someone not to hate you after you tell them you hate them? I wouldnt assume that personally...

[@nmfcproductions]

Something that never ceases to amaze me is how Churches such as the Westboro Baptist Church can even consider themselves Christian. Christianity is meant to spread love, not hate.

[@JohnHazenhousen]

It’s because they believe that they _are_ spreading love.

[@katydevereux4837]

One of the sisters she did a TED talk and it’s so interesting

[@standek1988]

feeling sorry for her that she was raised and brainwashed of that ppl!!

[@raceandcrime]

and u r so NOT brainwashed by secular humanism?

[@speedfastman]

@@raceandcrime lol

[@DeadmanDave]

"Sometimes false prophets spoke to the people of Israel. False teachers will also sneak in and speak harmful lies to you. But these teachers don't really belong to the Master who paid a great price for them, and they will quickly destroy themselves." 2 Peter 2 : 1

[@shrimpanzee001]

she looks like she's experiencing intense internal conflict and overwhelming confusion, almost like she could crack and admit it's all wrong at any moment

[@marieimperial9553]

I feel like whenever they get confused and get questioned about their beliefs, and they start to actually think twice, they then enumerate or reiterate to themselves what they are about ("we read the bible", "we just tell them what the bible says", "we preach") as if to remind them that what they are doing is right

[@Sam-zz7gs]

this is actually really upsetting

[@anthonyrobson9791]

Having watched this programme has made me feel very sad in the way these kind of people see things as they are. In my view the way how you live your life, be kind and respectful towards others, and never preach about hate or scare monger in such an intense level. It's just very sad in those communities that this happens and this is the result.

[@crissreznor]

I like what Louis does ... he is cool 😎 in my books

[@thegrayareainlife6474]

it makes me so happy to know that Megan completely turned her life around

[@XX-fp8bp]

Is there a video about it?

[@thegrayareainlife6474]

@@XX-fp8bp multiple yeah. she did a tedtalk about it

[@helderboymh]

To be clear this isn't Megan, this is her sister.

[@kurtcoibainjr]

She eventually left the church, she was probably doubting everything even in that very clip. She has a Ted talk where she talks about slowly doubting the teachings of the church. She was tought that all the awful things in the world should be celebrated, and her mom cought her crying about dead children one day and got angry. This is an act.

[@Somethingshouldgohere]

Other one did, not her

[@mariahclaar7915]

Megan, Grace and Zach Phelps-Roper left the church. This is Jael, their cousin. she married a British guy who saw this documentary and flew to Kansas to join them because he believes women should be subservient to men. Creepy.

[@mariahclaar7915]

Megan is the one with the TedTalk, but this is not her.

[@terrybaker8156]

Jael is one of the most zealous members of the church, her husband is from the UK and became an elder

[@JennasMusic76]

No she didn't. She is married to Steve Holroyd and he is a big member of the church. The person who left was her cousin Megan Phelps Roper. THis girl is Jael Phelps, now Hollroyd. Just FYI. www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/bradford-postman-who-joined-most-19371244

[@bretharley7480]

“People didn’t treat me right.” Sweet Jesus.

[@needles1987]

Jael is now married to an English guy who joined the church.

[@christopherlucas4620]

By the way, Jael was also born out of wedlock to Jonathan and Paulette. Paulette was NOT a member of the church, but was allowed after Jonathan left around 1985 to be with Paulette. They were both allowed back in… probably because Fred Sr. already had 3 children leave at that point (Mark, Nathan and Kathy). Kathy is back in the church to this day. Nate is not and is an atheist. Mark Phelps recently passed away. At one point in the early 80s, Margie also left but quickly returned.

[@misterhot9163]

I heard Jonathan and most of all the Phelps brothers best their wives on a regular basis.

[@johntexas8417]

Shes a sweet young lady. I hope she's doing well.

[@lamalama9717]

Her grinning is so false. Louis is amazing for always retaining his composure, no matter how extreme and weird the people he interacts with are.

[@christin.C]

She left the church and has been doing interviews ! u should check it out

[@lamalama9717]

@@christin.C thanks for the tip. Will do!

[@helderboymh]

@@christin.C she didn't, that's her sister Megan.

[@jakethomason5495]

Louis is kinda crushin on her at the end. like damn, girl, why you so crazy?

[@madelinerene6805]

I'm not convinced that she is convinced. I can see right through her plastered smiles.

[@benadams1661]

I dunno, she sounded pretty convinced. It's a shame because she's such a pretty girl she could pick and choose the guy she wanted to support her and buy for her everything she wants

[@mynameis8404]

Abraham was married and he definitely served God!

[@madebymollo1780]

It’s crazy how easy our minds can be influenced

[@LJY08]

Wow! Just...wow! You can see that she has just abandoned any thoughts and just embraced this cult mentality, I mean, she looked Louis in the face and told him that he should go to hell...for what? Why on Earth should Louis go to hell for being curious about other people? And that's all it is, curiosity and a desire to get into the minds of people and understand what makes them tick. ...but she didn't mean it, you can see, she's just reading from a script, and is consumed by fear, which is why she jumped out of the car and refused to answer anymore of his questions - oh, after she told him that he 'deserves' to go to hell. This woman is a victim, and you can see she's just resigned herself to it, because it makes her life easier. She doesn't truly believe that Louis should go to hell, but she's so damn scared of any retribution (either by her community or by her god), that she just sprouts lines to protect herself from it all. Yes, it's really that powerful, religion is the scourge of the Earth and one of the biggest hiding places for sociopaths and psychopaths to pray on the vulnerable...and this girl is vulnerable.

[@onlygood222]

LJY08 she left the group

[@screechingonions2365]

No she didn't. Megan left the group. That's her cousin Jael. She is still a member of the church sadly.

[@lenitaa7938]

@@screechingonions2365 Ohh They look so similar!!

[@billygoat12]

whats her name? any updates on her?

[@DragonLadyBad]

Jael Phelps she got married to someone inside the church.

[@chriswatson3464]

​@@DragonLadyBada Brit who joined the church!