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Red Bull RB17 - Aerodynamics Analysis and Initial Thoughts

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@KYLEENGINEERS
@KYLEENGINEERS 5 ай бұрын
Another thing I didn't really touch on in the video but is worth mentioning - SCx of 0.38 for a car of this nature is insanely low (especially with exposed rear faces on both the front and rear tyres) - it's worth noting that Adrian didn't personally quote SCz in his interview ("I'm not very good at those numbers" when told kg@speed) , but he did quote efficiency as that was the number he knew off the top of his head. That may indicate that the SCz and SCx may be higher than indicated by the 1700kg@150mph being widely reported, which seems a bit more reasonable given everything else being said about the car.
@43ten43
@43ten43 5 ай бұрын
As you mentioned, I’m very surprised by the 1700kg downforce figure. For a car that’s supposed to be faster than an F1 car around Silverstone, I was expecting double or triple that figure at 150mph. Does this mean that it has some kind of crazy sticky qualifying tires from Michelin? I don’t doubt Adrian Newey at all, I’m just also wondering where the lap time is coming from.
@BoostandEthanol
@BoostandEthanol 5 ай бұрын
Given Adrian talked about the need to back off downforce to protect the tyres, do you think the efficiency could be quoted at a lower speed trim (higher CL, higher CD, but significantly more efficient)? And that while it might not be capable of a flashy marketing number like 1700kg @ 150mph with a CL/CD of 16, it's absolute most efficient aero speed range is actually less force because it happens at a lower speed.
@АлексейКастевич
@АлексейКастевич 5 ай бұрын
Kyle, some sources say 1700kg @100mph, will that make sense to you?
@KYLEENGINEERS
@KYLEENGINEERS 5 ай бұрын
@@АлексейКастевич Hmm that's SCz 13.8, which seems a little high for the amount of wing it's carrying. Puts the drag number near an LMH though which I guess would be ballpark? Perhaps that number is with the fan blowing on, which is within the bounds of being conceivable. A bit annoying about the disagreement between the sources, I think we will have to wait and see what they say on car launch @BoostandEthanol In the top gear interview, Adrian says all the aero devices start backing off above 240kph, so I don't think that's the case.
@АлексейКастевич
@АлексейКастевич 5 ай бұрын
@@KYLEENGINEERS Thank you. I also thought it is strange that the claims from different sources contradict each other, but probably there will be huge amount of myths and legends about this car until it all clears up :) I was allways wondering, what are ballpark Cl*A numbers of a modern F1 car and an LMP1?
@tuna5618
@tuna5618 5 ай бұрын
Finally the goat is back to analyse a car made by the unhinged genius newey.
@sunil_de6856
@sunil_de6856 5 ай бұрын
To anyone who thinks this guy doesn't know what he's talking about just consider that immediately following his departure from the team, Mercedes almost immediately went from unbeatable to midfield.
@KepleroGT
@KepleroGT 5 ай бұрын
We can't argue with that. He's only second to Newey
@stardustb390
@stardustb390 5 ай бұрын
newey is one of the all time greats but he still got his @$$ handed to him by rory, aldo and lowe. this doesn't take out his greatness but people worship him like he's some sort of a Messiah ffs. just yesterday I was arguing with an rb cheering lad on a colin chapman post and he was throwing dirt on his name because the only name he knew was newey. lol
@stardustb390
@stardustb390 5 ай бұрын
the reason he dominated in rb recently is because his biggest competitor, allison, was mid at his best even before the tragedies that happened with him. f1 doesn't have those big name engineers like they used to anymore, it's only newey on the field.
@bryantyong111
@bryantyong111 5 ай бұрын
but that is a big assumption as they also now do get P1 it has nothing to do with aero concept for the past two years it has been the suspension issue
@bryantyong111
@bryantyong111 5 ай бұрын
also to noted W11 had an engine advantage which allows them to be draggy as fuck yet the benefits in downforce for corners offset that
@프레디khjfreddy
@프레디khjfreddy 5 ай бұрын
This is the video I was waiting for from the moment I saw this car My delight is immeasurable and my day is completed
@th1nk_outside
@th1nk_outside 5 ай бұрын
same here. the original interview was for people who think this is a valkyrie
@matthewgubbins8515
@matthewgubbins8515 5 ай бұрын
This car is going too be awesome. Cant wait to hear that v10
@KYLEENGINEERS
@KYLEENGINEERS 5 ай бұрын
What's your favourite bit of this car? For me the diffuser exit treatment is what does it for me. Also a PSA that my Aero course is on sale for another 24hrs if you want to get in on that. I would say it's the best aero course out but I do have a bit of bias there! courses.jkfaero.com/courses/race-car-aerodynamics-the-definitive-course
@tuna5618
@tuna5618 5 ай бұрын
Favourite bit is maybe the comical diffuser or the "sidepods" .
@UxJoy
@UxJoy 5 ай бұрын
Those diffuser exits are pretty unique.
@LuisVasquez-nu4hu
@LuisVasquez-nu4hu 5 ай бұрын
For me? It's the Kyle Engineers video about it! 😁
@tturi2
@tturi2 5 ай бұрын
I like blown diffuser speculation, just need fans strong enough I suppose
@2chickenmama
@2chickenmama 5 ай бұрын
Easily one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen, thanks for the aero breakdown. I also remembered Newey mentioning this was a design freeze from last september, and the how the current iteration is already well out of date. Can't wait to see the final thing
@alebrigaz
@alebrigaz 5 ай бұрын
Beautiful???😂
@fqeagles21
@fqeagles21 5 ай бұрын
It Is, why you think It isn't?​@@alebrigaz
@blipblip
@blipblip 2 ай бұрын
@@alebrigaz Exactly. This thing looks like a snake. Iam warmed up to the Valkyrie over the years of development and AM definitely changed a lot of stuff to make the car more attractive. but this? It is hell-bent ugly.
@hugo-pg5tv
@hugo-pg5tv 2 ай бұрын
​@@blipbliphow tf does ut look like a snake?
@Disengaged_metal
@Disengaged_metal 5 ай бұрын
This channel is a gold mine
@walter1824
@walter1824 5 ай бұрын
I hope Merc does the same, maybe an AMG Two - take their tiny F1 1.6L V6, double it into a 3.2L V12 and make it lightweight with much more downforce
@axelode45
@axelode45 5 ай бұрын
That would be absolutely awesome, they could even compete for track records.
@bonifacelukosi9580
@bonifacelukosi9580 5 ай бұрын
that's like ridiculously ambitious but it's always good to dream
@walter1824
@walter1824 5 ай бұрын
@@bonifacelukosi9580 James Allison seems to have gotten on top of the ground effects finally, and the AMG One broke the Nurburgring lap record
@bonifacelukosi9580
@bonifacelukosi9580 5 ай бұрын
@@walter1824 you're talking about merging two of the most efficient ICEs in the world that cost £7mil a pop and has had 100s of millions, maybe more than a billion into the R&D of it. These aren't the kind of engines you just stick together. The project lead of the AMG One said the team were just tired of trying to get the damn thing to work.
@gabrielbarcellos1036
@gabrielbarcellos1036 Ай бұрын
Mercedes não é capaz de criar algo tão absurdo assim em menos de 10 anos
@alecmillea4539
@alecmillea4539 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to do an analysis’s for us! It makes my day every time I see a new video from you! Especially on this magnificent machine.
@TheAmazingCowpig
@TheAmazingCowpig 5 ай бұрын
Didn't expect to get another aero analysis this year but I'm so here for it.
@jozsefizsak
@jozsefizsak 5 ай бұрын
The two main virtues of that car to me are that Adrian designed it and you talked about it. So great a compromise in favor of performance is not something I long to own, fascinating and remarkable as it certainly is.
@ElmerRacing
@ElmerRacing 5 ай бұрын
Would make sense to use fans to increase the vortex rotation though the tunnels. So suck from the center floor, and blow at the outer edges.
@TheNitrox88
@TheNitrox88 5 ай бұрын
Amazing video! My ideas for usage of fans: Perhaps some boundary layer suction? Perhaps to make flow in the tunnels more predictable and efficient or even change the balance and downforce level. Also some coanda-effect for low speeds?
@CraigLandsberg-lk1ep
@CraigLandsberg-lk1ep 3 ай бұрын
This was the best aerodynamics video I have ever seen, some of the terms and concepts were just over my head, but I want to know more 😅 great vid and am subscribed
@chucknorris99111
@chucknorris99111 5 ай бұрын
What aero do you prefer? RB17 or Valkyrie AMR Pro?
@th1nk_outside
@th1nk_outside 5 ай бұрын
ever since i saw the inverview with Adrian ive been waiting for some proper analysis of this masterpiece
@bbbenj
@bbbenj 5 ай бұрын
Sound and clear. Thanks.
@markoatf5121
@markoatf5121 5 ай бұрын
man i love those videos 😃😁 dont know anything about aero...but you explain with such ease even not-knowing guy understands something
@StellarGale
@StellarGale 5 ай бұрын
Must be mentioned that Newey said in TG interview that this is not a final design, the actual car will be slightly smaller and more technical in details than this iterative mockup
@dogger37JC
@dogger37JC 5 ай бұрын
I’m more interested in the engine after hearing the power they’re talking about from a NA V10 with only 4.5 liters of displacement. Cosworth is on a roll lately designing some incredible engines for some amazing cars.
@noncog1
@noncog1 5 ай бұрын
Though adrian did say tha car has changed quite a bit, so we may need a revisit in a year or two
@JohnDoe-sy6tt
@JohnDoe-sy6tt 5 ай бұрын
Growing up all I wanted to be was an aerodynamics engineer! Awesome!
@samcorbin6744
@samcorbin6744 5 ай бұрын
Very well done. Thanks for your expert analysis. It was very insightful.
@pavanig2299
@pavanig2299 4 ай бұрын
dude u make super good vids,u just got a sub
@diraziz396
@diraziz396 5 ай бұрын
Great recap. Thanks kyle
@sultanabran1
@sultanabran1 5 ай бұрын
love your analysis. one of the very very few, if not only, channels that can give proper analysis. not just 'improves air flow' comments. nice work.
@STORM3SHADOW
@STORM3SHADOW 5 ай бұрын
Imagine following the RB17 at full tilt on Silverstone as you navigate thru Maggots and Becketts. So much dirty air being generated by this design, you probably can't follow too closely!
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 5 ай бұрын
I still want a specialist like Kyle look into a an unsprung aero floor. It's directly mounted to the uprights, or is in two parts loading for instance the rear upright and a point far forward and vice versa. This is downforce that hits the tyres but doesn't load the suspension of the bulk of the weight. How much of the DF can be sent directly into the uprights, and how efficient can the whole car be? Can the downforce and rag be dialed out for straight lines and cruising?
@Gipivnt
@Gipivnt 5 ай бұрын
Great work ! Very appreciated. Thanks for sharing.
@kagyroo
@kagyroo 5 ай бұрын
Great vid Kyle, love to see this kind of in-depth analysis You should look at the X2010 from Gran Turismo!
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
and compare maybe.
@kagyroo
@kagyroo 5 ай бұрын
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks username checks out 😆
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness 5 ай бұрын
around 23:00 I wonder if those stagnation points (weird centre treatment, and behind the tyres) are kind of intentionally sandwiched in there to increase the differential from the inside of the diffuser to the outside. It might well just be a set of styling compromises from making that bridge/beamwing thing a styling element, but looking at how the expansion progresses in the diffuser, and the way he/they want to run the front wing in terms of the overall wake of the car, and then the fact that you've kind of siphoned off all the high energy air off the top of the diffuser with all those slots, perhaps those little stagnations are decently well handled by a foot or two downstream.
@alexhidell663
@alexhidell663 5 ай бұрын
Hyper cars are getting absolutely insane!
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 5 ай бұрын
They're not living up to the name in WEC, so it'll have to be customer toy cars. The road going hypercar are quite amazing. Ever more road trippable. Koenigsegg Gemera a roomy 4 seater with choice of 1400 or 2300 hp and ample cargo space. I can't lust for any other car.
@nuclearmedicineman6270
@nuclearmedicineman6270 5 ай бұрын
The front element delta could be there for turning, generating vortices at high AoA.
@whatev888
@whatev888 5 ай бұрын
Yay Kyle released. I have been waiting for this video.
@RTR_43
@RTR_43 5 ай бұрын
big thank you for this one Kyle 🙏🏾
@omg_stoppit
@omg_stoppit 5 ай бұрын
Kyle, love your videos. You, Superfast Matt, Julian Edgar, and others have been wonderful educators. That said, is there anyway they could use fans which can spin fast enough to turbocharge the air traveling through the venturi tunnels? Like, imagine a Dyson-type fan that turbocharges the airflow. That seems more likely imo.
@SF7PAKISTAN
@SF7PAKISTAN 5 ай бұрын
Can you also do an aero analysis of the Ferrari Vision GT car, it has really unique aero which makes me scratch my head thinking if it would work or not
@GreatistheWorld
@GreatistheWorld 5 ай бұрын
Agree, it would be cool to do the 499P afterwards in the same episode as an ‘designer’s idea of aero vs. real world’ kind of thing. But there are some features on the VGT like CoG/CoP & details like rear wing endplates that make me wonder how much serious thought was put into them
@SF7PAKISTAN
@SF7PAKISTAN 5 ай бұрын
@@GreatistheWorld IIRC they did say in the launch video that the aero concept wasn't purely fictional and that it could work. Which does make sense on paper since it's a completely closed diffuser at that point which theoretically won't need to worry about stuff like skirts, diffuser stall, not sealing with the road and stuff like that. They also did say that they're going to be using ideas from the Vision GT in their future cars now if that was limited just to design or they're gonna work more on the aero concept, I'm not sure
@Australiaisupsidedown
@Australiaisupsidedown 5 ай бұрын
it doesn't work. car broke
@BigRick50
@BigRick50 28 күн бұрын
Hello. I've just come across your channel after beginning my journey down the aerodynamics rabbit hole. It's all just so fascinating. If you've got the time or inclination, could you do a critique of aftermarket body kits? Adro employs an Australian ex F1 engineer for example. Sounds like that sort of thing is an pointless waste of money on a street car, but could some of them be a functional improvement? Also, I'm not sure if other newbies to this are thinking the same thing as me, and that is, the side profile of a wing and a sports car are vaguely the same shape, so why do they behave so differently? Thanks for your channel.
@KhamandDhokla
@KhamandDhokla 5 ай бұрын
Hey Kyle Engineers. Long time fan. Can you please make a video on Tesla aerodynamics especially Model Y how does Gemini wheels give extra range and what could potentially be an even better improvement
@rakshitpatil6461
@rakshitpatil6461 5 ай бұрын
Championship rivals are definitely here!
@lalaeuro
@lalaeuro 5 ай бұрын
In excess of 540kmph...? In the image, it already looks as though it's sitting on the ground. Is it dependant on active suspension to pervent it scraping the ground constantly once the downforce kicks in..? Beautiful... car...? Object of art? Thank you for the video, really appreciate your skills and understanding of aerodynamics.
@zontetaji506
@zontetaji506 5 ай бұрын
Been waiting for a video from you I hope you’re doing well
@Fairlygiven
@Fairlygiven 5 ай бұрын
Great video.
@yujiezhang6371
@yujiezhang6371 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting analysis! The car I would like to see you do next is the Rodin Fzero, which also claims to be as fast, if not faster, than a current F1 car. My personal speculation is it could be faster around the track than the RB17 but I’d love to hear your take on this!
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
Well, if nothing, in some ways it's less compromised than this car, since that isn't 2 seats.
@yujiezhang6371
@yujiezhang6371 5 ай бұрын
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks That’s exactly one of the reason I think the Rodin Fzero might be faster than this. And the fact that the Rodin is lighter but with nearly identical power. The only chance the RB17 has is its Newey designed aero.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
@@yujiezhang6371 I think one think the one advantage that the RB17 will have is making downforce from lower speeds with it's fans. I notice they both share active suspension but I don't know if the F Zero has boundary layer fans.
@yujiezhang6371
@yujiezhang6371 5 ай бұрын
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks That’s a good point. If the Rodin is fanless, then RB17 would have the edge in low speed corners. But in high speed corners, if the downforce figures quoted by Rodin are realistic, the RB17 doesn’t stand a chance.
@etcarief
@etcarief 5 ай бұрын
WAKE UP BABE, KYLE JUST DROP A NEW VID 🗣
@AftermarketInd
@AftermarketInd 5 ай бұрын
👊 great analysis
@wecountyou
@wecountyou 5 ай бұрын
I can die peacefully now! That what exactly I wanted to know. Smashed it!
@rolandotillit2867
@rolandotillit2867 5 ай бұрын
The vortices in the tunnel act as a restriction reducing the cross section area of the diffuser even more. I'm guessing maximum flow acceleration from the diffuser is probably right under the engine.
@notadaytrader
@notadaytrader 5 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to get this in GT7 or 8
@srinitaaigaura
@srinitaaigaura 5 ай бұрын
Adrian quoted a lift to drag ratio of 16 which is comparable to a modern jetliner. With that much downforce, it's unheard of.
@Charners
@Charners 5 ай бұрын
Efficient for a non LM car. If that's what you're referring to.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
​@@Charners At this point it basically is a LM prototype, just without regulations and 2 seats.
@juhakivekas2175
@juhakivekas2175 5 ай бұрын
I maybe wrong but I think that no one has ever been able to make such a low rear wing work with tunnels. Many teams tried it (Lotus, Brabham, Willy, Arrows,..) in the turn of 70/80s. No one got the balance right and there was quite a sensitivity to pitch and ride height (porpoiging modes). Also C-group this was tried but skipped or compromized. There is that factor of ride height per total chord of the car. Anyway, for an aerodynamicist this looks like a fantastic functional art work. I’d say the older Adrian gets the more beautiful his cars become. What I find regrettable as a trend is that we are losing the beautiful feminine sexy forms of old prototypes and we get more complex aerostructures. This a aerowise fantastic but I’d still say the 330 P4 is still the benchmark in aesthetics.
@troy7481
@troy7481 Ай бұрын
I would imagine that the sensitivity problem that you mentioned with the 70s/80s cars will be solved by the active suspension of the RB17. IIRC, this was one of the biggest benefits of the active suspension systems in the 90's. Can't wait to see more details when the car is finished!
@simonzdrenka3851
@simonzdrenka3851 5 ай бұрын
Could be great with a comparison between this and the Valkyrie AMR Pro from your perspective.
@zlm001
@zlm001 5 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@yeaggermiester
@yeaggermiester 5 ай бұрын
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!!!!!!! Side note, in your opinion, what is the best free/open source cfd program for higher viscocity fluids (like water)? You obviously work a lot with air a lot, I'm curious what your thoughts are. For example, I know that modeling a 100cP liquid forming a laminar flow in air can be very difficult to model the boundary conditions and predicting instabilities.
@War096
@War096 2 ай бұрын
can you please do the aerodynamics analysis of the mclaren solus gt? I can’t find anywhere stats and details like yours! (and maybe later on when we know more of it, also the new mclaren w1, on which the aerodynamic was made with lockheed martin). thank you, it would be great!!👍
@Gipivnt
@Gipivnt 5 ай бұрын
Any chance of some analysis of the WEC hypercars ?
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 5 ай бұрын
Could a fan be more cigar shaped and sit in the core of the diffuser void? That could blow it, especially when the car is at low speed. A compressor style multi prop fan? A longerslack pitch prop? Open or closer? Slow speed is where time can be made on F1 cars. They struggle for mechanical grip and don't have a lot of downforce to play with. If a good part part of the 1700 kg could be created at 100 kph or so, that would sovle seconds won to F1.
@oskierox
@oskierox 5 ай бұрын
The legend returns
@DERECHTE451
@DERECHTE451 5 ай бұрын
Looks like a amr pro and valkyrie hybrid. Like when Aston and red bull parted ways both build their own version of the same concept
@bodanerius
@bodanerius 5 ай бұрын
Wildly guessing here but could the fans be used to get flow through the venturi as if the car was moving? As opposed to sucking out air?
@Shadowboost
@Shadowboost 5 ай бұрын
Yes, it's trying to blow the tunnels at low speed
@sanitarium017
@sanitarium017 4 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a variant with no styling compromise
@lucassganderlla7305
@lucassganderlla7305 5 ай бұрын
Are the load capabilities of these Michelins lower than that of an F1 tire?
@spacecollie1369
@spacecollie1369 5 ай бұрын
You didn’t talk about the outlet in the diffuser.
@LittleInAdMissible
@LittleInAdMissible 9 күн бұрын
****** I HAVE AN IDEA!!! For the windows: window tinting - depending on vehicle intended purpose: transition glass* or a gradient tint from the top for a built in "sunglasses" effect. Miss Ash*😊😊😮
@lucassganderlla7305
@lucassganderlla7305 5 ай бұрын
Could the lap times be helped by the extra efficiency? i.e. more energy available to deploy more often from the electrical systems versus the F1 car, which is a 45° flat plate in a free stream when compared to this car
@DaveJordan310
@DaveJordan310 3 ай бұрын
Surely the singular is vortex, not vortice or vortices (pl) ?
@jacquesevans1023
@jacquesevans1023 5 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWquoJ2wrr6ep9Usi=r6j70HwQ8a0vc4Wp 10:13 guy from red bull saying 1700kg at 160kph
@aaronpan6949
@aaronpan6949 5 ай бұрын
The figure quoted by Newey in the top gear interview and all other sources say 150mph
@ryanpuryear
@ryanpuryear 5 ай бұрын
Saw that too. Big difference.
@JohnWiku
@JohnWiku 5 ай бұрын
That much downforce at such a low speed is just not possible
@ryanpuryear
@ryanpuryear 5 ай бұрын
@@JohnWiku Guy from red Bull quoted in KPH and Shmee confirmed in MPH, so I don’t think this to be an error…whether it will ultimately be true is another story.
@ryanpuryear
@ryanpuryear 5 ай бұрын
@@JohnWiku What about the fan use?
@duldleyb7832
@duldleyb7832 Ай бұрын
crazy thing to ask but could you review my prototype super car areo dynamics
@ryanpuryear
@ryanpuryear 5 ай бұрын
You say 1,700 kilo at 240kph; however, on Shmee150 video, and others, the RB team is claiming 1,700kg at 160kph. Quite a difference imo.
@gesunderpsychopath8569
@gesunderpsychopath8569 5 ай бұрын
Bro, MPH and KMH are not the same yo
@ryanpuryear
@ryanpuryear 5 ай бұрын
@@gesunderpsychopath8569 Right. It was quoted as 1700kg at 100mph…which is 160kph. Go watch the video.
@lukealadeen7836
@lukealadeen7836 5 ай бұрын
What does your analysis say? We'll wait
@ryanpuryear
@ryanpuryear 5 ай бұрын
@@lukealadeen7836 I don’t have an analysis. Was just asking if he could clarify or if it was even possible.
@DasE30Cuz
@DasE30Cuz 5 ай бұрын
I just can't wait for the Newey-designed Ferrari.
@docmccoy9813
@docmccoy9813 5 ай бұрын
No vents to release air pressure on the front tires. More aesthetic features than expected, but let's wait to see the final product.
@StellarGale
@StellarGale 5 ай бұрын
This is still an iterative mockup and not an actual final car, Newey said in Top Gear interview that the final car will be a bit different and slightly smaller
@StellarGale
@StellarGale 5 ай бұрын
Also it literally has nothing behind front wheels, there's no need to add more ventilation.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
​@@StellarGaleI think vents will still be necessary like the Valkyrie has perhaps because of stagnation. That said, there's a lot less surface covering and shrouding the wheels so like, maybe.
@themarauder6108
@themarauder6108 5 ай бұрын
Adrian has since stated that the car looks rather different now as this one is over a year old. The actual car will be smaller in both width and length and the aero surfaces have been changed too. So the reveal was pointless to be honest, the actual car is going to look a lot different.
@iamlato
@iamlato 5 ай бұрын
only designed in CFD? what is it, the 2010 Virgin?
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
CFD is far more effective than you give it credit for. They come with like a conservative 93% accuracy rate next to a Wind Tunnel.
@camrongoodall
@camrongoodall 3 ай бұрын
Do you think it's possible for a front engine/front mid engine car to hit 300mph?
@bezlistosnypozeraczkebabow6513
@bezlistosnypozeraczkebabow6513 5 ай бұрын
Can you make video about a new F2 car?
@JimPekarek
@JimPekarek 5 ай бұрын
What are those two nubs that hang down to the ground in the diffuser?
@gerrit3887
@gerrit3887 5 ай бұрын
With the tunnels being so circular in shape, they are probably mainly driven by a big vortex running through them, as you also said. What do you think where this vortex mainly originates from? Is it the FW Cone, or inwash around the outer tunnel/floor edge? And why would you in this case not want to use any kind of larger strakes at the tunnel inlets (like current F1 e.g.) to kickstart or strengthen the vortices which run through the tunnels?
@StellarGale
@StellarGale 5 ай бұрын
The diffuser will likely be fed with the small fans he mentioned
@pchurchill
@pchurchill 5 ай бұрын
the .. end plate/fence ahead of the rear wheel on the floor edge .. I had assumed that it did the job of sealing the floor from the higher (albeit reduced) pressure air above .. as do the vortices i.e on the valkyrie..and f1 from the undulating floor edge .. Am i totally wrong ?
@class8007
@class8007 5 ай бұрын
Could fans provide a benefit if they were used to enhance vorticity under the floor? (For example a slot-type opening blowing in the local rotation direction), although this would introduce other losses given it is blown air rather than sucked air, or perhaps the local velocity would be too high for the fan to have any worthwhile effect towards powering up the existing flow behaviour.
@noncog1
@noncog1 5 ай бұрын
It has fans to blow the diffuser
@Cynyr
@Cynyr 5 ай бұрын
Okay, I can't help but think is this a way around the cost cap for the f1 team? Let some guys run off and build a ground effect road car, let them learn lots about how to do it well, then hire them back into the f1 team and bring back what they learned.
@lorenzostrignano5278
@lorenzostrignano5278 5 ай бұрын
Hi I'm a physics undergrad and was thinking about studying complex system fluid dynamics, do you know if it might land a job like yours?
@batasrki
@batasrki 4 ай бұрын
So, what I'm getting from this video is that a car following it on track within 2 seconds will not be able to pass it due to the dirty air spilt from the barge boards and the rear diffuser, unless the following car has a 2+ second pace delta due to tire degradation and overall power.
@compt3ck
@compt3ck 5 ай бұрын
Where's the cooling? That V10 is going to need quite a bit to stay cool. Its a good looking car!
@arnesupe1618
@arnesupe1618 5 ай бұрын
sidepods
@compt3ck
@compt3ck 5 ай бұрын
@@arnesupe1618 I could understand that if there were openings in the sidepods for air to enter and exit but none of the photos or videos show them. Its going to need a lot of airflow especially at low speeds. I'm wondering if all these crazy drag and downforce numbers include a fully functioning cooling system.
@Australiaisupsidedown
@Australiaisupsidedown 5 ай бұрын
​@@compt3ck im sure the engineers forgot about it
@compt3ck
@compt3ck 5 ай бұрын
@@Australiaisupsidedown I'm not saying they forgot about it I'm wondering how different the actual production car is going to be compared to the static model if they're not showing any cooling. What else are they going to change to make the car actually work.
@StellarGale
@StellarGale 5 ай бұрын
This is still an iterative mockup and not a final car.
@stuff6181
@stuff6181 5 ай бұрын
maybe the performance gain that could make it’s lap time near a f1 car is from the closed cockpit design, but I don’t really know if the open cockpit f1 cars cause a lot of performance. Also it has a decent bit more power than f1 cars.
@namename3130
@namename3130 5 ай бұрын
Its RB-17 speed-bump and pot-hole analysis that I want to see! Oh also interior noise too lol.
@matthewgamble95
@matthewgamble95 5 ай бұрын
Pot hole on a racetrack?
@Ryosucc25
@Ryosucc25 5 ай бұрын
​@@matthewgamble95Bro, this comment got me thinking deep about the Aston Martin Valkyrie until I saw your reply 😂
@gesunderpsychopath8569
@gesunderpsychopath8569 5 ай бұрын
IQ is definitely lower than the track temperature yo 😂
@Nikoxion
@Nikoxion 5 ай бұрын
Let's gooo!
@corsamc12
@corsamc12 5 ай бұрын
Great video as always! However I do wonder if L/D of 16 is achievable with current technology on cars. AFAIK modern LMP1 is only around 5-6, and William Toet talks about the floor itself of pre-2022 F1 has a L/D of around 11. L/D=16 feels like quite a stretch from other racecar
@wololo10
@wololo10 5 ай бұрын
Because it has active underfloor sukcing with 2 fans like the McMurtry, and those racecars don't obviously
@gerrit3887
@gerrit3887 5 ай бұрын
Do they say something about what speed the L/D ratio refers to? With having fans on the car, it really would depend on what speed they are using to calculate their efficiency. Depending on how they use the fans, they can already get quite high downforce values at low speeds, which results in a very high SCz and thus very good efficiency at lower speeds. Maybe they did this to get to the L/D of 16 and at higher speeds, when the fans are proportionally contributing less to the overall downforce, their efficiency is not actually 16 anymore.
@corsamc12
@corsamc12 5 ай бұрын
@@wololo10 The video talks about the fan in the end and obviously that’s not how this car will likely use it
@corsamc12
@corsamc12 5 ай бұрын
@@gerrit3887 That actually makes a lot of sense. But considering Newey’s status, I feel like he should be quoting a figure that’s at least relevant to the typical operating window, say 100kph upward. Curious if the fan could still boost performance by that much at high-ish speed?
@wololo10
@wololo10 5 ай бұрын
@@corsamc12 yeah they will use the fans to dry the drivers hair
@whatev888
@whatev888 5 ай бұрын
I was wondering how they generate a lot of downforce with the diffuser. Because the expansion ratio does not look all that large. While the exit of the diffuser is massive the smallest area does not seem very small which makes me curious about how the generate all of that downforce.
@miguelcebriancarrasco1907
@miguelcebriancarrasco1907 5 ай бұрын
thats the point, its creating low pressure areas to suck the car to the ground
@whatev888
@whatev888 5 ай бұрын
@@miguelcebriancarrasco1907 I know how a diffuser works. But it doesn't look to have a large enough expansion ratio to create the suction to meet the downforce numbers Newey has said. I definitely believe Newey but I just don't understand how this specific diffuser creates all its downforce.
@barneystafford
@barneystafford 2 ай бұрын
Kyle can you please do a video analysis of all the useless aero devices on the sporty version of the Ford Custom, loved by bogans the world over. Thanks in advance 🙏
@LeeMooEez
@LeeMooEez 5 ай бұрын
Imagine that adrian 👀 at this video and start taking a note 😂😂😂
@BlissifiedHH
@BlissifiedHH 5 ай бұрын
Something i do wonder (I'm by no means experienced in aero, mostly know some basics) but how come in cars like this they always try to make the aero more smooth. The aero on the RB17 is very smooth and doesnt have kicks and vortex generators like F1 cars do for example. Is it purely not needed to generate downforce and to not increase drag, or is it cost dependant or way harder to simply develop and balance?
@StellarGale
@StellarGale 5 ай бұрын
Aero doesn't have to be increasingly complicated to be effective. F1 cars are working within hard constraints of the rulebook and the simple fact of having open wheels.
@BlissifiedHH
@BlissifiedHH 5 ай бұрын
@@StellarGale I do know that aero can be simple and very effective like with these cars. But i've also wondered why not make them more complicated, it's a way to probably add a shitton of downforce. I've always assmued cost, and it's much harder to develop and get it balanced and such. But then again i'm no expert so
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
​@@BlissifiedHH Thats also the point where you reach diminishing returns and the cost to performance ratio begins to swing heavily towards cost. I also believe that, without regulations, it just might not really be all that necessary because you don't have so many legality areas to work with.
@j.a.l.m.8388
@j.a.l.m.8388 5 ай бұрын
😂 Adrian explained it all in the original presentation 😂😂😂
@jurandspychow3766
@jurandspychow3766 5 ай бұрын
The guy from SHMEE video said ; "1700kg of downforce a around 160kmh" is this even realistic ?
@theSafetyCar
@theSafetyCar 5 ай бұрын
Adrian Newey said the same thing. This car is being designed to be able to achieve F1 levels of laptime and performance. There's a full walkaround of the car with Newey on the Top Gear youtube Channel.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 ай бұрын
Without regulations it's not impossible.
@tomasshaw724
@tomasshaw724 4 ай бұрын
Hello, I’m sure you are very busy; however, I am going into my first year of engineering with the dream of reaching formula 1. I was looking for any advice or possible connections that could help me achieve my dream. Any help or input would be extremely beneficial and insightful
@cf2081
@cf2081 4 ай бұрын
Pretty sure he has done a video on this. Try looking through the previous videos. Looks like a lot of hard working, uni degree in aerospace engineering and then a PHD.
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 5 ай бұрын
Well, this car would have more engine hp and the hybrid deployment would be unlimited and slightly stronger than F1. Going hybrid, I wonder whether they threw in an F1 MGU-H to fill the battery up when the engine is putting out serious power and exhaust flow. That could (help) make the 200 hp hybrid effectively available at all time around the lap.
@adamn7125
@adamn7125 5 ай бұрын
Bro why did you leave Merc?
@SrbendaNo1
@SrbendaNo1 5 ай бұрын
Whats to analyze? Its an updated Valkyrie AMR PRO.
@RadialSeeker113
@RadialSeeker113 5 ай бұрын
you deserve a nice oled 4k 240hz display
@drbrofessor7956
@drbrofessor7956 5 ай бұрын
Looks like a Valkyrie from Redbull
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