RED Hydrogen One - Forgotten Failure (Retrospective Review)

[@91Tech]

It's been a hot few days where I live- British Columbia is seeing record breaking heat upwards of 45°c in my area (~115°f). But even that isn't as hot as the flaming disaster of the RED Hydrogen One, a phone with a cool but gimmicky display that faded into absolute irrelevancy nearly immediately.

[@birchtree5884]

It's absolutely insane here when we are used to 20-25 degree summers, and many homes have no air conditioning

[@marioflores2107]

I dare him to use the iPhone SE 1st gen in his next video.

[@91Tech]

@@mint4551 I've never actually lived directly in Vancouver, just in the general area (easier to say Vancouver when ppl ask where I live). Van has actually been cooler so I wish I was there right now lol

[@91Tech]

@@birchtree5884 Right? Luckily I do have AC, and thank goodness for it because this I believe we literally set the record for hottest day in Canada ever lol

[@Jared-Cooper]

@@91Tech Ha I have no ac.

[@Iamnicknow]

I got one for $100, it’s honestly not THAT bad as a spare android device.

[@91Tech]

Honestly with a custom ROM and some fine tuning, $100 is a great deal for this phone. Insane that only 3 years ago it was over $1000 lol

[@DavidNikkiZane]

I've found a pixel 2 for the same price and I think that's a much better option

[@rallycobra5738]

@@Farquad76.547 i think 100$ is quite reasonable

[@NrdGamr-mq7gs]

@@rallycobra5738 It looks like a brick really tough to break it down easily ok . It reminds me the late 90's on flat screens on devices pretty boxy look 🔲 but modern . 100$ For 128 GB which it's worth it. NOT BAD 😃

[@rallycobra5738]

@@NrdGamr-mq7gs yeah that's what I like about it

[@stevend3753]

Lol. Any time there’s a “modular” connector on a device it’s pretty much guaranteed there will never be anything made to use it.

[@dyscotopia]

At least essential had the 360 degree camera and the headphone jack. They kept that phone up to date until they went under too. Day and date OS upgrades. Sad what happened.

[@JoelMcLaughlin]

Moto used it on the z Force

[@JoelMcLaughlin]

Moto used it on the z Force

[@Penrose_Made_A_Film]

I remembered when people reviewed the Red Hydrogen One

[@TheSektorz]

9:58 "the tech is really cool, too bad it sucks" lol

[@MudkipOnYT]

If there was a phone that defined marketing, this would be it lol

[@TIMETECH07]

Escobar takes the cake but thats like free advertising for Apple, Royole and Samsung 😂

[@DjadamGee]

I'm kind of surprised. The 835 is still a really capable chip. Kind of a steal for $100

[@JayLang7]

But why would anyone want to buy that chip ?

[@OhSoTiredMan]

@Jay Rees lmao that cost more than my laptop

[@dan_loeb]

@@JayLang7 most of the smartphones sold are sub $200 android devices. The market for flagships isn't nearly as much as budget android devices. An 835 for $100, when most at that price you'll be be getting a 4xx series snapdragon or a mediatek low end soc. If I needed a budget mini tablet, for $100 this is absolutely what I'd go for over a fire tablet hd 8. I'd not use an outdated Android device for common use though with new crit vulnerabilities being found every day.

[@user-ky9ou5dz9q]

@@OhSoTiredMan of course it is. Price isnt based on specs like that. Mobile tech, getting that kinda performance and features in anything the size of a phone, is always more expensive than doing the same thing in a laptop form factor.

[@PhantasmXYZ]

@@dan_loeb LG G8 Thinq, 855 chip sometimes as low as $100 used on eBay. Larger OLED screen and still receiving security updates in 2021.

[@joris9662]

How lonely are you? Me: Josh from 91Tech is the only one asking me how's it going

[@nanparayeah]

Well that hit me pretty hard 😳

[@jevonsims900]

😂😂😂And Marquees dumped me lol

[@pranaysinghparihar4738]

That hit home damm

[@pauliether.c.guy.3349]

Xxx

[@tc_buses]

The Red Hydrogen One was a phone of 2017, after the iPhone X every company wanted a gimick.

[@Photo0021]

Exactly, even shows that Apple can easily influence the market, and even then knows how to do things right when a lot of copycats don't.

[@dr.j7542]

@@Photo0021 ITs not because they know how to influence others, Its cause they produce one of the best products and are at the front of the market, and as such people buy their products no matter what gimmicks come with them, leading others behind to try to copy those gimmicks as its easier than achieving a really good product. Others copy cause they want to be like apple, but that doesnt mean that those things apple does arent stupid gimmicks nontheless.

[@TheMactrix]

There is an application called lightfieldsutdio... it lets you convert formats, etc. You can convert your regular movies into 3D movies... and also it will natively view the same red/blue videos that are popular on youtube. Get a youtube downloader, save them, put them on your SD card...and you can play them.

[@EllieSky]

Would love to see you do a video on the "Essential Phone". Has a similar story to Red, where they failed after only one device. Unlike Red, they where way better about software support. It was a really compelling phone back in 2017 and I don't remember why they ended up failing. I even remember recommending it to a friend, who got one and used it up until last year.

[@91Tech]

That's a phone I've wanted to look at for a while... I'll try to track one down!

[@kaitlyn__L]

I was interested by the ceramic back, and especially that teal and gold colour scheme. But I’d already recently upgraded a year or so prior (I think to the Nexus 5X?) so I wasn’t going to replace it just for the design. Especially since I knew the camera was kinda meh. But I thought a sequel design might have been worth my consideration - then it just never happened. I remember for a while when the company was not officially dead but people took notice that they hadn’t released any new phones and their original one wasn’t good value anymore. The company kept saying they were still around and working on new designs… then finally died.

[@michaelmchale9427]

@@91Tech Amazon.

[@AlokSomani]

Turning on the phone again after years of it sitting in a drawer, I do have to say that I loved the color science of the cameras. The images look rich, but not unnatural. It had mediocre hardware, but at least RED had the software part of the image processing dialed in pretty beautifully in my opinion.

[@jwallace5242]

Watching this on my Hydrogen 1 Titanium was super meta. 2021 and it's still my daily! Got it in 2019 for cheap NIB. Good and painfully honest video! The battery life is pretty nuts on it still compared to other phones.

[@Rick93786]

Ainda vale a pena em pleno 2021?

[@Qibilii]

Good concept, I wished they followed through with the RED standards in terms of cine and stills. Would have blown away other phones for shooting videos.

[@clintonleonard5187]

Idk, the 3DS has a special place in my heart. While I wasn't usually willing to deal with the drawbacks of the 3D, when I was, it immersed me that much more in the game, and actually increased my enjoyment of the game. Especially Monster Hunter 3 and 4, and Super Mario 3D World. Then the New 3DS fixed all the problems. You lied, the New 3DS got it right. It tracked your eyes so the 3D didn't have a very narrow angle anymore, making games play great in 3D.

[@mechanicalruby]

I got a Razer Phone 2 for 200, similar situation but I think it's a much better device

[@Stylez-13]

I got both of them for about $300 for both

[@rainyatrium]

Razer Phones just made me miss the Nextbit Robin that turned into them.. It's a shame we're likely never going to see another Nextbit or Razer phone again

[@mechanicalruby]

@@rainyatrium I can't really relate, when I saw the Nextbits on review I thought it was a terrible idea. Storing most of your data on the cloud in an integrated fashion. But I loved the design, and saw a lot of space for proper front facing speakers, and Razer really delivered. Packaging it with Nova Launcher Prime as default was amazing. 120hz screen all the time, not that adaptive stuff Samsung has on their screens that need to be at a lower res to handle it. Ah. They need to update to Android 10 already. Probably my favorite phone in terms of specs, design, software philosophy, etc.

[@rainyatrium]

@@mechanicalruby I owned one for a few years- the cloud feature was whatever, really shouldn't have been the focus lol. It even had these fancy little leds in the back that were _only_ ever used for when it was uploading to Nextbit's cloud! The rest of the phone was what was great. Good specs for the very affordable price, nice, snappy Android skin, and really fantastic aesthetics. It was a conversation piece of a phone and I adored it for that

[@billymadden7676]

I remember my friend's boyfriend was so excited to get this phone (he waited a year for it) and I knew it would be a huge pile with all that BS marketing hype... Pretty sure he went back to the iPhone after bashing it immediately after receiving the Hydrogen to make himself feel better about his stupid purchase. LOL

[@L-G520]

Lol

[@leeeeeee2796]

Cringe

[@JonesBrothersProductionsiac]

The last time I saw the Red Hydrogen One was in Fast 9.

[@JonesBrothersProductionsiac]

@@danimayb Yeah but it cool looking.

[@ahnaftahmidali3788]

@@JonesBrothersProductionsiac fair

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@danimayb I can understand thinking Red designed it, but that’s not how ODMs work. An ODM designs things and sells out the designs to other companies. Think 90s or 00s laptops which all looked the same - because they shared an ODM. Usually client companies only get to make “styling” changes such as altering the case that the chassis goes into. So; they kinda didn’t design it, beyond the aesthetics and a couple of specific features like the screen. The cameras were standard modules used on the ODM’s other phones, not sourced from Red, etc.

[@Dwizzlejay]

Got mind for 149$ never opened...and it was good to a point

[@AidGum]

The 3D effect on the 3DS was actually pretty good, especially on the games that really took advantage of it. The New 3DS models even improved the effect by adding eye tracking to it.

[@blukester7994]

Uhhhhhh ok?

[@nimazeighami1909]

I love the 3D effect on the 3DS. The 3D on Hydrogen is better. It's higher resolution.

[@evgdx]

I'm trying to find one so hard, but I'm in Bulgaria and i just can't find it, no search results on used or new market. :(

[@akupegu1622]

When are you doing Nextbit Robin???

[@mikehawk6175]

Lol I had a razer phone 2 that used pretty much the same shell

[@insiteguru5720]

The features that you brushed by are the exact reason a producer like me wants to by this old phone immediately and I have 3 new iphones in my pocket literally. So this is a good review because I am not taking your advice

[@ryanmartinage]

All they had to do was put some good camera tech into a phone with stock android and they could've done well.

[@nxxxxzn]

2:44 3d is the only thing i got my 3ds for, couldn't care less otherwise guess im one in millions then

[@91Tech]

Hey totally fair lol. I was pretty hard on it but it always has been kind of cool, as long as it's not the only good thing (and it's not, the 3DS is a great console even without it)

[@Dawn-Shade]

same! even i upgraded to New 3DS XL simply because the 3D autostabilization was so good and not the new games that benefited more from the hardware upgrade (which also isn't that much)

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@Dawn-Shade I was impressed with the New 3DS when I saw it in person but it wasn’t enough to get me to replace my regular XL. If I didn’t already have one, though, I would’ve got that.

[@lyndenrivers4320]

Been using the titanium model for about a year, the headphone jack stopped working months ago and the fingerprint sensor just crapped out too. I've never abused my phones (though I have dropped it a couple of times) and the lack of support available for these is highly unfortunate. My local shops have never seen one, how are they supposed to order a new fs?

[@VampMetri]

It's funny. Because this was was being used in the F9 movie that just came out

[@kazi1]

Could you do a lg g8 review in 2021

[@ojivlogs]

They could make a Collab with other mobile company and red will focus on the camera part only...

[@SukhwinderKaur-ty1nf]

Where did you get that phone?

[@91Tech]

eBay for $100 USD

[@SukhwinderKaur-ty1nf]

Ok thank you

[@Violant3]

i loved the 3d effect on the 3ds, i played mario 3d world with it on the whole run

[@DustyakaDD]

I have one of these phones and it's my first smart phone and I love it. I have had it for about 2 years now and still going strong. Love the design of it and I don't think it's that bad.

[@michaelfedorsha8147]

I NEVER turned down the 3DS slider. It was awesome

[@TERMINADA]

Guys did you know that it’s featured in fast and furious 9

[@GerbilNoises]

I deep down wish the Note 7 hadn't failed. It was such an amazing phone and the used market for FE's is very costly and slim.

[@michaelmchale9427]

I'm watching on a Red Hydrogen ..I got this phone on AT&T when it came out.. used for 2 weeks and got the now defunct Razer 2. Bought an immaculate Red Hydrogen off of Amazon it's really not that bad and the camera isn't awful.

[@lear60man]

I got one for $150 a month ago.....Its an awesome tank. Plus you wouldnt want to get hit by one. In a nutshell, $150 burner phone that can take a beating.

[@jholotanbest2688]

I feel that the comments about the 3ds were miss placed personal opinions. It is true that the 3d was not a huge success, but still it was genuinely useful and a decent portion of the used base used it actively

[@JeanSamyr]

GameCube video is on the Conner?

[@filipmartinez1162]

Can it play Emulators in 3D? does it have cool 3D homebrew?

[@Roserade76]

If someone could make the android citra emulator work in actual 3D on this, it could be great for 3ds emulation

[@nimazeighami1909]

They did. Both Citra for 3DS and Virtual Virtual Boy for Virtual Boy now run on this.

[@mjziborich4491]

Oh I remember this!! That phone was ridiculous

[@joshuaham1022]

How does the 3d screen compare to the 3ds screen?

[@kaitlyn__L]

I was hoping for that explicit comparison too since a lot more people will have seen it. Alas. However I can piece together that the images seem to come out from it whereas the 3DS tended to feel like the images sunk into it, like you were looking through a window or something. So it sounds pretty opposite. Probably that’s part of why the depth separation isn’t very strong either - while the 3DS can actually get quite good separation.

[@nimazeighami1909]

Hydrogen's 3D is better than 3DS because the resolution is higher, though there's slightly less depth most of the time.

[@blasien1]

They should have just focused on doing something innovative with the camera lens, an area where they should have a natural technical advantage. A disaster.

[@subrezon]

"People love RED" "RED cares for their consumers" lmao

[@heeeydevon8262]

Hey Josh, are you from Vancouver? Also, have you tried the nextbit Robin?

[@ezg8448]

All the cheap Hydrogen Reds must been picked up after this video aired because the cheapest one I can find on ebay is $200+ pre-owned. The average price of a new one is over $400+ with 1 seller still selling at over $1,000! I'm quoting canadian pricing so subtract 25% for the American equivalent.

[@stephenmccabe9507]

This is legit the first time I’ve ever heard of this…….

[@mrelisard]

I’m trying to figure out if the camera is a stereoscopic camera that works for vr. If it is, it’s immense, if it would work well in vr.

[@nimazeighami1909]

It is stereoscopic, and it works great for VR, HOWEVER the stereo disparity is low, so you need to take photos and videos of subjects within 10ft or 3 meters away from the camera.

[@mrelisard]

@@nimazeighami1909 That's great! VR is really most dramatic in close proximity. Landscape requires really high resolution and detail to look good. Hmm, I might see if I can pick up one just for this reason. I hope the file is side by side, or top bottom like a normal standard.

[@tys40]

Did i spot: 'Dad - Lost' at around 10:15 combined with the colors or am i imagining things hahah

[@TA-uk2qj]

Cool vid. Thanks Josh! 👍

[@CamJ95]

I’m left handed but I’ve always used to my phone mainly with my right hand

[@MrMeagain569]

9:18 You got some pretty friends damn 🔥

[@cadenchurchill4296]

Oh goodness I remember how massive of a disappointment this phone was back when it came out in 2018! Still puzzles me why RED would focus on making the cameras 3D enabled instead of just making them, I don’t know, good? The only portable 3D device I’ve ever seen/used that I think is actually worth the money are the Nintendo 3DS systems and the New 3DS still has by far the best effect given the super-stable 3D which works incredibly well and is a joy to use.

[@U.S.A.]

"super-stable 3D" What do you mean by this? Is it have a great view angle?

[@cadenchurchill4296]

@@U.S.A. It’s the updated 3D effect Nintendo used on the New 3DS systems. Uses the inner camera to track your face and readjust the sweet spot! Makes the viewing angle much better and works great!

[@josequintana3669]

Ok... I am one of THOSE people who actually bought this full retail via AT&T. Nearly three years later, I still have it and use it for everything. While the "4-D" concept was definitely a gimmick to me, it was kind of cool to show off to everyone. Its processor was already behind the times, but I just loved the look and the structure. It has been through hell and still not a single chip or scratch on the glass. The corners have taken a few hits, but everything runs well. I'm not a big picture taker, so I didn't care much about the lenses. They worked fine for my basic purposes (personal photos). I will wait until 4G is no longer supported, as it is not 5G at all. The fingerprint scanner did fade away about a year and a half in. Yet, I really dig this phone. After all, it is a .. phone Great video!

[@imzary]

i want to say the failure of the RED hydrogen one phone is similar to the failure of windows RT Both had the chance to be something mind blowing, but at the end, they both sucked

[@91Tech]

So many products like this over the years... Amazon Fire phone has to be up there too

[@n3d.studio]

Still using mine. Love it. Best phone ever.

[@malikamvs7618]

I want to buy one... What do you think about the phone

[@n3d.studio]

@@malikamvs7618 I just bought a new one and just got everything transferred over. My old one the battery has expanded and the charging port hardly works. I bought a parts phone for 35.00 gonna repair it then I'll have 2. I think you can get Android 9 on it.

[@ampillustrations]

I'm on my third hydrogen one, I can fix most board replacement stuff since I have 2 dead donor phones due to the screens breaking. That's the biggest issue I have is no replacement parts. Considering putting this one back in its original box and let it collect dust and maybe I can sell it for advertised price one day

[@atomicorang]

Good job Josh.. my iPhone had nothing to worry about.

[@CrimsonTheLion]

I'd love to see you cover the htc u ultra, the u11 and u12+ in 2021. The phones that people associate with the downfall of HTC.

[@free_gold4467]

They've been trying to get people into 3D since the fifties and it has never become more than a gimmick, nobody really wants it, even if they think they do. One of my pals got a 3D TV a few years back and was desperate for everyone to see how awesome it was- and it was pretty good for the first 30 seconds but after that it was just a not very good nature documentary, quality of content is all and the 3D is no more than a gimmick.

[@bricegraham8256]

Can you do a review on a 3D tv. I remember being thirteen and seeing ads about these 3d tvs and feeling very sceptical about them

[@Megabean]

Great video, just one note, Red isn't considered the best cinema brand. While super expensive compared to normal cameras they are actually the budget brand relative to Arri and Sony, they are probably the 3rd or 4th "best" in the business. Though they do have pretty nice colour science. They also aren't really that loved as a brand in the Cinema community, they are very proprietary like Sony and Erri but are considerably less reliable and robust which is why they tend to be the cheaper option compared to a built Arri Alexa or Sony

[@91Tech]

Yea that's totally fair. I'm not by any means a camera enthusiast and just went off what I've seen online, and it's easier to call them 'the best' than 'debatabley third or fourth best' haha.

[@Megabean]

@@91Tech haha true, I'm just a camera nerd :P THOUGH to be fair Sony came out with that Xperia Pro and it's expensive but exactly what Red should've done imo Maybe in a few years you'll find a good deal on it.

[@haruruben]

If it had an amazing camera… but it didn’t. If you’re Red you make sure the camera is legendary

[@petardoynov5334]

Did they bought the screen from phone's division of Microsoft?

[@logitech4873]

Has anyone disassembled this phone to see if the proprietary connector is even wired up at all?

[@nimazeighami1909]

It is. No spec for it though, so good luck reverse engineering it.

[@stevend3753]

I’m going to park this next to my Facebook phone.

[@joerusso4219]

I remember seeing they had a booth at Comicon NY back in 2018. I wonder how many idiots ordered one there thinking they are getting a Red Cinema camera in their phone. What they got was a useless door stopper.

[@HululusLabs]

Wouldn't really think of RED as a consumer brand

[@AyStar]

Regarding the RED social media photosharing network, did you ask on RED USER or the RED OWNER Facebook group?

[@91Tech]

You know I didn’t think to try Facebook, would’ve been a good idea. Tried mostly Reddit and whatnot. Probably gotta be some kind of user base still existing for these I’d imagine

[@Sanrasxz]

Haha, you're completely right about the 3DS. It wasn't a flop of course, because it had a lot of good games and is a fun handheld console. But, I don't remember seeing a single 3DS owner ever turning the 3D on.

[@LeafInFlames]

This phone was more overhyped than Apple adding a new camera

[@sampIes]

can you look at the mclaren smart phone next? seen this thing in Verizon a year ago and it was honestly a beautiful phone and from a sports car brand

[@birchtree5884]

Is it a OnePlus McLaren edition device?

[@sampIes]

@@birchtree5884 i believe so although im not 100% sure

[@tone_bone]

This is the phone that Dom's crew in F9 had.

[@Mr.Rixxss]

Exactly!! I was thinking that maybe the company is making a comeback soon. There's a reason for the phone to be featured in the movie.

[@douglashazen8392]

Still have one and I love it. But I don't think I tried pushing it to fail. It's was a major improvement from my droid turbo2. Hopefully it'll last me few more years it's pretty old now.

[@agunemon]

Dude!!! 100 USD for that 2nd hand is a steal!!!

[@nerikzniek5922]

The 5C was fun I liked that phone. I wish I kept it for keepsakes

[@treesworld_lp]

Using the RED Hydrogen One as my Main Phone for 1 year, works quite well for 250€ it was on eBay

[@Rick93786]

is it worth changing my Redmi Note 8 for it?

[@treesworld_lp]

@@Rick93786 If don't plan to use the Phone for more than a year, yes. I use mine for 15 months now and I have severe problems with the battery. It has already gone done down to 65% of it design capacity and it was at 95% when I bought it. Normally the battery degrades only 10% per year.

[@Rick93786]

I believe I would use it for more than 1 year yes, but that way I think it would be kind of risky no?

[@treesworld_lp]

@@Rick93786 Well, you won't get replacement parts unless you buy 2 Phones. If you are into tech it's a good phone. If you charge every night it will last through the day with when the battery degrades because it has 4500mah and 3000mah is still good. However just with all first-gen devices there will be some small issues, some things might not work the first time. Or the phone just lags for 10 seconds sometimes, but only during light tasks.

[@Rick93786]

i usually play at least 2 hours a day would that affect my usability a lot? not to mention that I use cameras a lot

[@4AppleTime]

Consumer cameras ? I don’t think so…. They create cinema cameras for professional use moreover there are so many nominated and blockbusters out there that where shot with RED.

[@MrElliot1210]

When the 2018 phone can do what a 2011 handheld console can 😳

[@nimazeighami1909]

Completely different 3D technology. Also, the Hydrogen is approximately 15x more powerful than the 3DS.

[@MrElliot1210]

@@nimazeighami1909 I'd love to see that phone run Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Bros.

[@nimazeighami1909]

@@MrElliot1210 Just confirmed it works. Don't know how to share a link without KZbin deleting it though. But it works.

[@MrElliot1210]

@@nimazeighami1909 I guess a SD835 can emulate certain 3DS games. Although, it won't be able to run EVERY 3DS game so hah checkmate.

[@Megabean]

All they needed to do is make an average phone with a cool metal body and put the best cameras available in it. Then add the red colour science. That's what I would've wanted and anyone else who cares about the Red brand would've wanted.

[@olivergoldvalente]

3ds was great man! Kids loved it, and the stupid *New* 3DS fixed any issues the 3d brought. Also your constant admiration for the iPhone 5c is pretty funny, seems to be in every video. Not sure if it's shared by many. Lol.

[@IAmPattycakes]

I loved 3d on the 3DS when it was used well. It was slightly gimmicky, but I enjoyed it.

[@camd1552]

Boss you always take crazy good quality footage but like leave finger print smudges on glossy surfaces 😂

[@hacked2123]

LG Thrill and HTC Evo 3D had fun 3D capability. I remember getting Ocarina of Time to work in 3D on it...pretty sure before the 3DS version was made.

[@Lighthouse3D]

Speaking of 3D tvs, you should review a 3D tv and a couple 3D Blu-Rays, some are still even made today like Godzilla vs Kong, and WW84, would make for an interesting video Edit: or just do a 3D Blu-Ray video in general, you did HD DVD vs Blu-Ray and I'd like to see you tackle Blu-Ray 3D which can be viewed in the psvr, a 3D tv, or a 3D capable projector which don't cost much

[@alain99v6]

Red never made consumer cameras, the cheapest ones were several thousands and going up to $30K+ they are made for production tv or movies

[@Slay1337pl]

The Xperia 1 iii is what this one was supposed to be.

[@mikeowentaylor]

That note 7 on the left is my phone that burned me

[@hansyang1697]

$100!!!!! I still remember the pre-order price tag for the titanium version was $1500!

[@MrElliot1210]

No no no no you cannot diss the 3DS 3D feature like that

[@RebirthofJanus]

The 3d in the 3ds was amazing and I always used it when I played it.

[@dougsteel7414]

The thin bezel fetish will disappear as brands try to distinguish themselves, for instance the imac proportions are identifiable even as a font icon

[@dougsteel7414]

@Inje Kim I don't. Every mm counts, and that could be speakers, camera, sensors. Apple will keep the 'notch'

[@dougsteel7414]

@Inje Kim I don't think so. Brands are losing the ability to make phones appear any different and that's not something Apple likes. They could have got rid of it already, certainly made it less intrusive

[@petermgruhn]

I'm confused that you position Red as a consumer brand.

[@johanneshainer3460]

I couldn't agree less, You should really consider to do Research before making a Video about something.Jim didn't ditch the second Phone because of not enough sales. He retired during the planning for the second Phone and the addon modules because of health issues. Also it was never ment to replace an Iphone. It was meant to be a rugged phone for creatives. You probably had ancient versions of the apps that have come a long way since the release of the Hydrogen and are still available in the LeiaLoft Store including the social network which Had a renaming and is called LeiaPix now. Also you can use it as a monitor on a Red Comodo Camera that's around 50k and nobody serious would consider that as a toy. That a pro camera maker doesn't oversaturate his photos in the app like an Iphone or Samsung Galaxy does was zu be expected and leaves headroom for later editing. If You want a 2d phone just go with what You like, but for 3d there is nothing better out there in my opinion.

[@ghostskull1234]

They used that phone in f9

[@rws91942]

It’s either a black nextbit Robin or a Razor phone with a red dot on the back .

[@petermgruhn]

I bought a 3d (lenticular) disposable film camera back in the day. Way back in the day. It was pretty good. 1997. Disposable.

[@insertnamehere5146]

its was a very clever marketing ploy by Red. leveraging their brand name to sell something that was crowd funded, so they could walk away if it was a dismal failure. the lost no money on the deal and likely made money

[@brandonmoskos9149]

Have had this phone since the beginning. It is a good phone. Just priced way too high when it came out.