We Dyno Test The Predator Ghost 212cc Racing Engine!!!

Today we pull out the highly anticipated Harbor Freight stock Ghost 212cc racing engine. We strap it on our dyno and get the results. How much power will it make? Is it worth the hype? Only one way to find out!!!
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00:00 intro
00:19 Ghost & Predator Differences
03:24 Dyno plans
05:11 How to set valve lash
05:50 Intake/Carb
06:01 Clutch
06:13 Ghost on the Dyno
08:06 Beark In Cycle on Dyno
11:09 Dyno after oil change
11:54 Dyno graph #1
12:14 Dyno Run #2
12:43 Dyno graph #2
12:52 Graph comparison Predator & Ghost
15:18 Ghost review
17:00 Outro

[@keiththurber8439]

Freaking awesome video! Can't wait to see you tweak it. I used a GPS superpipe and Mikuni VM22-133 on mine. This resulted in a major increase in performance. @redbeards garage: Any chance you'd consider this as your first stage on the Ghost?

[@richardmattix5322]

Get it red beard

[@spankthemonkey3437]

I remember taking off muffler on old 5hp flat head putting on straight pipe and change out carb put on old adjustable one and that alone woke motor up

[@Jasonkartracing]

I wrench on these engines and I’m telling you with red beards garage videos and some simple tools you can build your engine very easy. The predator 212 is the simplest four stroke engine in the world to work on. To me they are as simple as doing a top end on a Yamaha blast two stroke and your not going broke doing it. Red beard has the best step by step video on building a 212 I have ever seen.

[@darrellnichter9894]

I'm loving this Dyno series! I think this is what is going to take y'all to the next level!

[@pogonick55]

Holy cow buddy for real you are the Top Gear/MotorTrend for small engines. I cant get enough of this info. Thank you!!

[@MickeyMishra]

A Dyno of a small engine. You don't see that everyday! Impressed!

[@igokarts4510]

This bedda be good. Im missing Judge Judy for this!

[@james10739]

Well I'm sure it will be better than judge judgment

[@blastingcapps4341]

@@james10739 anything's better than Judge Judy

[@djmastermoney4]

You mean Judy Justice

[@JASZANDTINY]

That was my ma shyt wouldn’t miss it for nothing or nobody 🤣🤣😂😂

[@Ratkill9000]

Definitely not much of a slouch. Still not much to sneeze at that's for sure. Definitely nice to know that one could see 9.8-10hp with one out of the box without doing much.

[@jakedrew7365]

Love it. I got both a ghost motor and built motors and like them all. Thanks for taking the time and doing stuff like this.

[@patriciaeaton-up4yj]

Hello can i use any type 212cc exhaust pipe on my ghost engine its gonna be put on a coleman bt200x. Thanks

[@fourwheeleranddirtbikecont2865]

I was thinking about putting one on a razor go kart frame

[@bking4404]

Great series on the ghost I agree with you all the way on a building a motor yourself I think you get way more out of it can't wait to see you put the 224 stroker motor on their I have one close to it be anxious to see what kind of numbers it turns I'll be looking forward to Future series keep it coming great job

[@mmoncure11]

Thanks RB! Love the systematic approach.

[@InnocentMiscreant]

Time for a 224

[@sammylisasmith2104]

Great video thanks for your time can't wait for the big block stuff

[@butcherknife59knife46]

Thanks for the info on the Ghost 212 . I have not had a mini bike / pull start ever. So I think it would be kool to have a mini bike for playing around camping. Then I don't alway have to ride the big name brand bikes. It's always nice to see what the bang for your buck. Around Bend Oregon out on 2 wheels

[@presleyfleckmotorizedbikef4285]

I love my 212 non hemi predator motor on a motorized it hasn't failed me yet thank you for showing me what the 212 ghost would be on the dyno it just shows me that it is nothing special thank you again

[@OGTtom]

Really enjoy all your videos , keep up the good work .

[@robertvicks9139]

I always wondered do these mods really work. It's actually nice to see what hp gains you can get.

[@jaywill530]

I couldn't resist getting a Ghost just to check it out. The Box Stock Project engine is definitely faster on a kart. I don't have a dyno, but I can feel the difference and the clock doesn't lie. I did put in a billet flywheel but have not changed the rod on the Ghost. The BSP engine has billet rod and flywheel. The biggest difference, like you mentioned in this video is the carburetor, given that the valves are set up similarly. I swapped them out but still the BSP was a stronger out of the corner and faster to rev. It was an interesting experiment but if I could only buy one, I would go with the BSP and build it with the billet parts. I think you get a slightly better engine, and you know what's in it. They are likely made by the same factory, along with Tilitson and several other brands, so it boils down to how you build and set it up more than the quality. You can do a lot with any of these if you do the homework when you build them. Usually, I race in LO206 anyway and those engines are great, well built long lasting strong pulling and you don't have to do much to them to be competitive in the class. Do some valve maintenance [springs, maybe lightly hone the valve seat] change your oil every couple of hours of runtime (Amsoil Briggs Oil is best in my opinion) and you can get what you need to race and have a ball. I think the L in LO206 stands for LAZY... that's me.

[@xscoops1]

Great series! Finally people will understand their header, carb, and flywheel doesn't add up to 20hp lol

[@brutallyhonestmf5578]

True!

[@chadmills5400]

header, huge carb, adjustable flywheel, 12,000 rpm coil and huge cam does

[@xscoops1]

@chadmills5400 huge carb is worthless without the proper head work. Match porting and proper sized valves....

[@rogerrose8220]

Honest evaluation. Well done, Sir!

[@BUILDNIGHT]

Ghost is only $225 this week with 25% off coupon. Can’t beat that…

[@chuckb9867]

Redbeard found a truckload of content with this Dino I'm so glad he got it I could do a cartwheel

[@markyoung9964]

video of you doing cartwheels coming out soon? lol

[@chuckb9867]

@@markyoung9964 I probably will collapse Halfway Around Redbeard would get a billion views

[@Parents_of_Twins]

Awesome. This is precisely what I wanted to know. I was thinking about getting the Predator but wanted to know what kind of numbers the Ghost made. Knowing that I can take the Predator beyond the Ghost for a similar cost and I get to wrench on an engine is a win win for me. Thanks a lot. Think I'll be ordering a Predator in the morning since they are on sale this weekend.

[@josephschmier3733]

In my opinion... your graph shows the ghost has more torque down low . It seems to be a torque monster.

[@toofnlazzy801]

Killing me with the pull starting. Your gonna snap that rope boy. Lol. Love what your doing and thank you for having a video with the answers I was looking for.

[@koljag5]

A 224 would be really interesting. People are always asking on Facebook if they should do a 224 or 212 ghost.

[@smallcityhomesteaders1600]

Kinda what i'd like to know that as well.

[@Deucealive75]

If I just wanted to bolt on a tank and exhaust and ride I would get the Ghost. If I wanted to build for more than stock power I would get the 224. I did get a 224 and am happy with it. Not an easy build because of all the clearancing needed. Nice torque from that engine. More good options... Ducar 212. Comes with a PVL flywheel. Similar to the Ghost is the Wildcat 223. They say it has nice power right out of the box.

[@shark11175]

The Ghost is a beast for the money, great solid motor

[@Minibike-Isaac]

😂😂

[@patarmstrong3582]

It's a good choice for a motor you aren't going to open up, or for someone who doesn't have tools or inclination to build a motor themselves.

[@shark11175]

@@patarmstrong3582 Its a good motor overall we run the hell out of them

[@NONAME-kw3pu]

for the same $$$$$, esp after including the $150 for the header accessory package ($450 total + taxes) ... a person can have a PRETTY HOT 212 PREDATOR and a gas tank. CM .265 cam $65, side cover gasket $5, cast alum flywheel $76, billet rod $76, $25 for 22mm PV carb and air filter. .009" head gasket. 22# springs, spiffy the motor up. oil, gas... and jet kit for the carby since it comes with 99 jet when it needs a 125'ish jet to make it RUN and not fall down at 5500 rpms.

[@PaidSquidGaming]

Love the vid I've been looking for a better engine to put on this old streaker go kart frame I got sitting around the motor it originally had was a 6 & a half horsepower Briggs & Stratton so I want to put something on there that will wake it up a little bit plus I have 12 inch knobby tires and both back wheels turn it's not just a one-wheel cart so the six and a half horse power struggles a little bit to get it going but maybe the predator ghost will do a lot better so I'm definitely going to check it out thanks for the video

[@baronlefuq8882]

I'd love to see a 212 similar to my 212 on your dyno, I'm quite curious what my engine build can put down. Tried and true combo, non hemi with mod2 with 1.3 ratio rockers, 26lb springs flat top piston and all the billet goodies. I spin it to 8250 but it lays over after 7500, would be nice to see a graph and compare it to my butt dyno

[@brutallyhonestmf5578]

No more "claimed horsepower numbers ". No we will know real dyno proven numbers. Great job RB.👍🏻

[@lloydbaker7099]

Really enjoying the series

[@coxandsonmachine2128]

Thanks much for the info on this Goast engine.

[@walterpalermo1304]

224 series? WANT & NEED!!! Thx RedBeard

[@benpeter4959]

Best small engine channel period

[@Leavetheherd]

Cars & Cameras did a 212 stage 1-5 series but only had lap times/butt dyno to measure results. Its great to see real #s

[@mikequesenberry7976]

Mr red beard I have to share this 20 years ago when the Honda design was just catching on there were no billet rods we took Honda rods and double the tourqe from 9 ftlbs to 18 with stock bolts flattop piston and gapless rings with compression ring machine to accept an oil ring in a groove on top ring it had a 308 cam stock rockers with straps welded to the sides to keep them from breaking cut the head 100 thousands it would hold 340 pound of compression with stock Honda flywheel I turned it 8500 very often not saying that was right but never exploded a flywheel tilitson carb it was a beast for back then and had to set our own flywheel key ignition timing was 40 degrees it would only run eight mile or it would overheat

[@davidowen888]

I'm lookin forward to the BIG BLOCK and V testing 💪☮️

[@im_ur_huckleberry8998]

Another great video brother! Lots of good information!!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Thanks for watching

[@Minibike817]

Where do i find the oil drain hose @

[@saabkingentertainments.k.e]

Yesssss!!!! Can't wait to see the upgrades

[@cliffpalermo]

Liking this series thanks and more please

[@barrickent184]

I just bought a Coleman BT 200 and went straight to HF and got the ghost. You’re right, I just wanted a bolt on. I am well capable of a build and have the tools. At that, almost double the hp. Hope the CVT holds it. I have to check the max rpm on the trash Chinese one supplied. I see a Comet CVT in my future. It just doesn’t end. The Ghost did sound good. Thank you for your great work.

[@Deucealive75]

You shouldn't worry. A stock Ghost isn't going to break the CVT.

[@noahgiles777]

The gold is in those dyno graphs. Very cool!

[@anthonyreddy2834]

That's what I thought, but thanks for this video and your thoughts, probably going to go with the base model tilly 225 rs

[@DOITALLMFER]

Great video. Loved it. Loved the comparison. Really curious now on the 196cc that typically comes with the coleman bikes! Let’s see if that thing will make similar numbers with similar mods as road to horsepower series! Awesome video brother

[@jaredemanouil7071]

This!!!!!!

[@brutallyhonestmf5578]

Those coleman 196cc are garbage, worst casting I've ever seen. Is way better to start with a stock 212 predator for a little over $100.

[@patarmstrong3582]

The 2 196s that came on my colemans had a crankshaft that wasn't compatible with a torque converter. That's all the reason you need to swap.

[@jaredemanouil7071]

@@patarmstrong3582 yours did because you got an older one with 5/8 shaft

[@DOITALLMFER]

@@patarmstrong3582 mine did as well and I just used a sleeve to up the size. Works great. I’ve actually hit 66mph with my 196 that came with the bike AND that was with the stock clutch it came with. 10/40 gearing, 265 fire cam, flat top piston, billet rod/flywheel, 26lb springs and home grown port work. Pretty cool if you ask me. My buddy has a ghost and could only hit 61mph. So I’m thinking maybe my little engine ain’t doing too bad!!

[@bigh3053]

Great video. Love the whole process of breaking in and then doing pulls. Would love to see a comparison between Predator Ghost vs. Briggs Animal Lo206.

[@Tangster1205]

That is insightful! Thanks for sharing

[@DudesIn101]

And they don't care to learn!you got it Bub!

[@markhall1855]

? What is the factory valve settings on the ghost snatches back bout broke my wrist thanks keyway looks good

[@Tyresong]

on the point of Flywheels and ignition timing. can you do a comparison on the RTH engine as it is but with stock timing, 28 degs and 32 degs? it would be very interesting to me personally to see the effects that has on the torque curve in particular

[@patarmstrong3582]

As a general rule, more spark advance will move the torque peak higher in the rpm band.

[@turneynicholas]

I just got my ghost 212 (it's only being run on a mud motor) what valve cover fits these is it the same as a ducar tilosten 212

[@1crazypj]

Carb was set up pretty well straight out of the box (for a Kei-Hin copy.) What size is it? Could stand a little tuning but impressive as is (I like the old oval bore Kei-Hin better than Mikuni's, better atomisation over wider operating range) The display of your buildup motor showed it getting slightly lean for best power at high rpm? (close to 14:1?) Short steel manifold should keep carb cooler than an alloy one but no idea what it does to 'tuned length' of intake?

[@SurlyMike]

You keep teasing with tidbits about the dyno setup. What is up with that clutch? Loving it man.

[@mitten5313]

It would be nice to see you test the ec wildcat 223 gt1. Looks like it might outperform the ghost for similar price

[@tinygaragepowersports0122]

Cars and Cameras put one of these on a machine and Ike had mentioned the Ghost felt more out of balance than the other Predators and Tillotsons. What's your take on this? Also was wondering if the intake that was on it at the beginning was part of the accessory pack and if so, why wasn't it used? Really enjoying these dyno vids.....top quality stuff!

[@codyjohnson713]

Another awesome informative video! U say u don't trust the flywheel, does the ghost use the same flywheel as the stock predator 212?

[@aaronermis4082]

Very interesting. Looks like it may be a difference in cam. The ghost has better performance at lower rpm’s where the built engine outperforms at higher rpm’s where the ghost drops off. Super cool video.

[@patarmstrong3582]

Look at the area under the torque curve. That tells more about the usable power than a peak number.

[@patarmstrong3582]

And, that cam is a dog- well matched to the 6000 rpm limited coil

[@smallengineexpert6607]

I'm thinking the torque may have been better with the long tube intake. Thoughts?

[@chrisprovost5155]

I have a predator 212 hemi. Just got the stage 2 racer kit . Do I have to notch or grind down the crank for clearance

[@jaywerne3812]

Might be missing some hp with that tiny air filter on it. Great video Greg!!

[@DirtyDave413]

Would be nice to see how the stock Ghost does with the 24mm Flat-Slide

[@HappyHands.]

nice even power curve. not bad for stock

[@charlesgraham9954]

can we get split screen shots of the dyno so we can see closer? thank u for all the time u spending showing and teaching us, i apricate it, again thank u.

[@douglasarcher1144]

I'm starting out with a 212 Ghost, what bolt on parts should I replace for better performance and in what order? Flywheel, carb, etc... Thanks

[@buffalojones341]

Really helpful. Just bought my first minibike and I am considering what to do with it. The ghost is tempting because I am not a gearhead, but it’s a good reason for me and my 10 year old son to get out and learn about engines together.

[@markyoung9964]

Great for you and your son!!

[@patarmstrong3582]

Full face helmets, and gear and add a torque converter- amazon/ebay chinese units are fine. Easy 40 mph, and climbs anything.

[@nickdishno3644]

When talking about adjusting the valves make sure you specify that your supposed to do it on TDC of the compression stroke, otherwise you might have some people trying it on the exhaust stroke lol.

[@mikepiliaris2081]

Great video! Please show us more upgrades on the 212cc predator engine. Thanks

[@mikepiliaris2081]

Hi Greg, I just received a massage that I won a price. Just want to know if this is real…

[@RedBeardsGarage]

No it's a scam. I'm sorry.

[@benjaminevans1171]

I thought the series was putting on stage 1, stage 2, etc?

[@jeremiahbradley6914]

Are you guys gonna do dollar for dollar break downs of these engines too ? Think it be awesome added information with the Dyno numbers

[@acurarl9929]

The ghost was richer then all the others. Lean is mean. Can see the correlation of afr to hp. The hp will lag a lil in comparison to afr as afr changes then right after you’ll see in the hp. Idk neat to see although hard to see.

[@rong4189]

Redbeard: “Personally I would buy the standard 212 . . . “ Harbor Freight: 🤦‍♂️

[@Kyle_gallegher]

Whats the issue there when u build it anyways 🤨

[@rong4189]

@@Kyle_gallegher Just a joke but they would obviously rather sell the more expensive one.

[@Kyle_gallegher]

@@rong4189 very true but still I personally see no difference after its been mod to death lol

[@user-cz9fj5ni5f]

I think he said the ghost revs to 6000 while the standard is governed at 3600.

[@user-cz9fj5ni5f]

He has also said that the standard predator is a hemi and makes more torque than the ghost.

[@CODOutdoors]

Who you gonna call? Ghost Busters! Great video!

[@markyoung9964]

oldie but goodie lol

[@bankrollalmighty40]

What is the clearance for the gap on the coil when I replace it with a new one?

[@justgonnasendit8024]

Question will the 18lb valve springs and billet caps that fit a gx160 Honda Fit a gx140 and will the cams fit the gx140 ?

[@smsservicesall]

I like the 440cc proven value you introduced to the world

[@PumpkinKingXXIII]

Hey Red, What jets do the ghosts take? I got a takeoff for 5 bucks and was going to put on a 224 max, originally bought for my pressure control but daughter saw it and wanted it for her mini bike instead of the ducat 212.

[@neilwalker8686]

That chain is so nerve racking

[@delta52D]

Great video as always!! Anyone ever had any dealings with a LCT 208cc??

[@Ratkill9000]

Liquid Combustion Technologies made/makes the Workhorse engines for Northern Tool. They seem to hold up, technically only rated for 500 hours of service life, but that could vary.

[@Buses2Bikes]

On your Ghost engine, there's a wire coming out of the flywheel cover on the top left side that is bolted to the top of the block. I don't have that on my ghost motor. What is it?

[@vintagetintrader1062]

On the cast flywheel, could the magnet mount be modified and tap it to fit a 8mm cap head bolt? I cannot see a cast flywheel cracking like a V8 flywheel pushed to 8 grand with huge clutch shock loads? Has anyone tested these flywheels? Would like to run a electric start on one of these motors.

[@concerned201]

Red Beard, on a stock ghost, what causes excessive fuel to run out the tube on the bottom of the carburetor?

[@fastlife1688]

Glad I'm not the only one that runs good oil in my small engines. Seems like everyone else just tosses whatever is sitting in their backyard in the engine. I'm over 300 hours on my stock 196cc hisun without a single hiccup

[@markyoung9964]

what oil brand and weight do you use

[@rocknrye9273]

Where do you gets those red bolt covers? I can't really find them.

[@fritzes_rebel_garage]

So in short the 212 ghost out of the box that's sitting in my mini baja frame is almost double the hp than the Xian dong 5.5hp that I pulled out of it. That's awesome cause I was figuring the extra rpms would put it at around 7-8hp not 10hp. Can't wait to have this thing together and go for a rip.

[@danteverna4261]

Any chance we will be seeing a dyno test of the 196cc turbo diesel? That would be an interesting one.

[@briankumpan9892]

Years ago when I was young say 16 or 17, I bought a go cart frame and the frame was made 1.5" drilling pipe. The gocart had 2 motor mounts and the gears for the axle were welded in place. I sold the gocart because I had no money, my friend bought the card because they had a motor for it, of course they were cheap like me and could not afford a clutch for it so they put a straight gear, so if you push start it it would go. One day they took it to a local shopping center parking lot and they were push starting it, it took off and when it stopped itn had moved a mailbox with concrete on the legs, moved 10 feet. When the Byers kids inspected the go cart, the frame did not even bend

[@marcusj3824]

As it relates to the flywheel, would red locktiting the magnet make it more reliable? I've never played with one, so I'm just curious.

[@normbeck20]

The screw is lock tight in, I went & got a stroger screw, still may fly off at higher rpms, I just wanted it to be safer and only hitting 6k rpm's for now

[@mini0448]

Wonder how much my 212 predator non hemi makes I picked it up and he said he got it from someone else and it didn't run it's got a billet flywheel and rod and he claims 265 cam, also has 22lb springs and a genuine mikuni 22mm on it. I did get it to run and it does sound pretty good not sure if the cam is true or not tho

[@MrBob58o]

Is that 6000 RPM coil available anywhere? I’ve been looking for a coil that can limit RPMs and will work with a gx style flywheel. I built an Electric Start / Charging Hemi Predator 212 with a Kohler flywheel. I was looking for a way to limit RPMs (besides Tire size and gearing)

[@The1withlogic]

Thanks for all the incredible content. I have a question, it doesn’t have to do with this video but your stereo that you put in your F150. Has it stood the test of time? Thanks.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

No I took it out a few years ago and the company wouldn't respond after the video was published.

[@The1withlogic]

@@RedBeardsGarage thank you

[@Deucealive75]

Who would want any of the Predator 212's? There's better options for not that much more money. Last I looked the Wildcat 223 was on sale for under $200. Ducar 212 is probably the best buy and comes with a PVL flywheel.

[@speedyme200]

If you don't care about the warranty for the ghost

[@patarmstrong3582]

I can drive 3 miles and buy a Predator, no waiting. That is the real appeal. That, and I already have the goodies to make it fast.

[@Deucealive75]

@@patarmstrong3582 That is a good point. The only way I would ever get a Hemi or non Hemi Predator 212 is if I already had the Predator specific parts like the billet rod and flywheel. And for the non Hemi, the Predator specific cam. They finally got smart with the Ghost and 224. They use clone parts. My 224 has a clone rod, flywheel, and cam.

[@isaiahraybreeden4228]

A friend of mine said he kept blowing engines with light or thin oil, so he switched to diesel oil and said it worked better. What do you think of using diesel oil compared to the amsoil, and would they make a power difference?

[@dylanlawrence2629]

What is the gap for valve lash on these motors same as standard predator?

[@cantfixasandwich4672]

Hey red beard, love the series. One question though. Why do you set the value lash to .003 rather than the manufactures specs?

[@Deucealive75]

It's just a spec used to be safe. You know you are not too tight or too loose. You can use 2 or 5 thou if you want and it's not going to make a difference. 3 thou more or less valve lift is nothing. A detailed builder can carefully set these at zero.

[@MateuszBPM]

Perfect engine 😁

[@jordanprysmiki5361]

Hey so where does that hose on the bottom connect to? What is it?

[@-RyN-23]

Can't wait for a stick 225rs to be tossed on!

[@bryduhbikeguy]

Thank you for doing these for us.Please forgive my comment in a previous episode test as seeming rude.It wasn't meant as such.I just hoped you'd grind the key so the timing was stock as anyone else would do without the cam upgrade yet.Would you please run that engine corrected before the next add-on parts?Thanks Greg.

[@markyoung9964]

Hi, Bry! I'm impressed with your courage. I read your previous comment and it did seem a little rough lol.

[@kart45a]

Can you dyno the Ghost against the Briggs LO206? and maybe possibly with the different colored carburetor slides as well?

[@georgedundas4844]

Great information 👍