Reddit is Mad at Berks Again | Citizen Talk EP 2 | w/

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[@fnunez]

Spawn campers when they're winning: It's a lawless system bro! Spawn campers when they're losing: Help help I'm being oppressed!

[@roberthale8407]

Spawn campers are just plain assholes. "Little dick must do something to feel better about myself people". If they don't fix it people will not play.

[@festersmith8352]

You know they're losing when they start complaining that they have no one to play with/against in their preferred way. "How come no one is spawning here anymore"? boo hoo

[@Baleur]

Great Monty Python reference!

[@phunix1566]

​@@Baleurjust shows times and people don't change..

[@CosmicD]

again and again. They reduce the fun for everyone else but if they're denied that one dimensional kind of fun for themselves, they're out and cry faul, while they'll do the most shitty thing just to take away fhe fun from other players. If it's going to be a lawless system, fine but there should be measures that enable factions and their allies to put a server wide bounty on this group of players so all the system sees that there's a gang that goes out of control. People's reputation system in pyro should be able to reach a stage where factions can put a server wide bounty on that person or org, so this repetitive abusive gameplay can be dealt with in the "dog eat dog" style that they want. They set the paradigm, so they should reap the consequences of that standard of conduct that they set for others. You can't only reap the benefits of the lawless system, is what I say.

[@citizenjags1309]

So now PVP'er and Pirates that get their Asses kicked, they cry? But its what they wanted, No? Players fighting players. I'm so confused, no one gets to play the way they want...lol.. not even the griefers poor guys.

[@stuartthurstan]

They always have. Not all of them of course but many of them do. They don't want fair fights. They just enjoy low effort ganking. There is one rather notorious troll poster on Spectrum who thinks he's some kind of badass pirate and there's video somewhere on KZbin of him getting severely spanked by another player in a dogfight right up until he ALT-f4ed his way out of it.

[@schlagzahne6741]

Most idiots and griefers want easy pickings and victims, not a real fight. They're allowed to do so in this game and I'll bet anything they'll be right back in stanton to go for the targets who thought they would be safer.

[@georgea5991]

It always has been. They'll troll you in their meta ship then talk trash in chat. Then they get their asses handed to them, then cry and get CIG to nerf something 🤷🏻‍♂

[@L2Xenta]

25:21 maybe the reason why only the elevators have armistice zone status is so that the elevators themselves are a bit less tempted to kill you.

[@BerksReacts]

Best answer so far.

[@Glathgrundel]

The elevator armistice is just a ploy to bait its next victim. “ … IT’S A TRAP!!”

[@justbuyintime5157]

I feel like CIG could something like the continental in John Wick where there is a rule not to kill but if you do everyone in the station or nearby gets a mission to kill whoever shot first or killed in the station, you could also have NPC pirates attack the attacker.

[@misstressscarlet]

I'm hearing that something like this is planned. The tech demo was a marketing stunt and a little data collecting.

[@chrisandrews3979]

I think whats exploding the issue is that we finally get a 2nd system in the game and everyone wants to see it but when they try they end up being shot before they can see anything. It would have been better if Pyro was the 3rd or 4th system introduced.

[@BerksReacts]

I’d like to remind everyone what the TOS post says about dealing with griefing before anyone claims I’m breaking: “For a majority of these matters, a PVP solution is preferable. Frequently when these scenarios are reported to us, we encourage those who feel they are being targeted to rally with their friends and orgs in an attempt to fight back.” I’m not sure why people are still saying “Yes Berks but some where caught in the cross fire!!!!!” Like we didn’t escort people out who were stuck in the habs, and talking in global asking friendly players to join the party so they wouldn’t get shot. People in the comments saying they got shot by us over and over are lying. Straight up. Just like the asshole who made the Reddit post. We weren’t even there that long, we didn’t even see that many people. We were only shooting the guys constantly using the bugged armor and grenade launchers.

[@TheRealBillix]

Certain level of griefing and exploiting is kinda expected of EPTU participants anyway, no? Testing if we shall

[@Godwinsname]

I started Pyro at Patch City. No armistice. Epic feeling. Went out of my hab gun drawn. Other people there, some with a gun. Nobody shot. Tense, but civil. Put away my gun so as not to alarm anyone and had a good experience just looking around and making my way to the other station areas. When people DO NOT grief it's a GREAT vibe to have no armistice.

[@Glathgrundel]

Spawning in Pyro is more dangerous than going to school in Texas. 🤯 💥🔫

[@Baleur]

I'm kinda bummed out that EVERY planet / moon in Pyro has a thick friendly atmosphere (and most of them blue oxygen rich at that). My favourite planets in ED and even Starfield were the airless barren planets with the black perma-night-even-during-day sky above. Sometimes you wanna feel like you're in an inhospitable void of space even when on a moon. Dont know why CIG feels that EVERY body needs to be foggy and have an atmosphere. I want more Cellin's in the verse.

[@GomulDart]

I like those planets too. But I think CIg is just afraid of releasing those barren style planets right now. They don't want accusations about releasing "low effort" or "empty" planets (more than they already are at least). Especially when they need every win they can get right now, and the pretty/high fidelity nature of its planets, moons, landing zones and cities is a big part of the marketing/appeal, again at least right now. So with their first new system finally coming, I suspect they wanted to make sure it was flashy and (hopefully) making it 'worth the wait'. I'd wager if they went with some more lifeless, barren, or "less pretty" planets there would be some criticism along the lines of "x many years, and we get barren low effort planets?". I'm sure when they start working on other system we'll eventually get the 'dead' or barren type planets that we are looking for, it's just not what Cig wants to do yet I guess.

[@persuadedterror925]

Spawn camping pirates: "its the game, get good" Also spawn camping pirates: "you arent allowed to kill me back! No fair!"

[@JabborWacky]

You are a savior. Thank you for helping people out!

[@JoseJimenez-fc6pu]

I think this is but a tiny sample of the insanity Pyro will bring when it goes live.

[@larrymitchell6470]

100% It brings in the most toxic of players and will hurt them. Many will want to peak and see the new stuff then just be done with it.

[@CosmicD]

I'm not opposed to this lawless system, but it should reflect people's behaviour. The law system in stanton should be converted to a faction allegiance system suitable for pyro that allows bounties to be placed against people that represent a breach in the balance. It should be made in such a way that a faction can rally players together via the mission system, towards players and orgs who try to siege the system and in such a way. Vis a vis.

[@eddiemarohl5789]

Kinda yeah. It's going to fall to classic pvp decay. Because most of the "pvpers" don't fight other pvpers they like to prowl for noobs and defenseless people. So when naturally no more pve people go there then there will only be pvpers and since most don't like an actual challenge they'll just go back to whatever medium sec system they were stomping before leaving the system basically abandoned. It's a classic cycle that they never break out of.

[@CosmicD]

@@eddiemarohl5789 I've seen that in many games. Those who like to brag about their skills and bully, harrass and pummel other players ragequit, the instant they get overclassed by others. It's like a natural law.

[@palehorseriderx]

Griefers can't handle being griefed. No surprise there. 😂 I was doing the maintenance contract in Obituary, and died as soon as I stepped into the airlock. Turns out they were camping the airlock for hours, and had piles of player bodies lying there. Since I'm solo, I just stopped trying and left the station.

[@Sams911]

Spawn camping is lame, but what's also lame is people in Pyro taking out empty parked ships (not abandoned) that you use to get somewhere... thus stranding you.

[@overtforce]

Just to add context to this, I was the one who asked Berks for help (riskeybiscuits). Those guys were on that server for the whole purpose of spawn camping people for the full 8 hours pyro was available in their cheesy armor/grenade launcher setups. I was continually getting killed with no gear for a solid hour and tried changing servers several times only to get right back into the one they were on. They continually talked smack like they were highly skilled players and when I complained to them they just kept talking smack how this pyro this an that. They were just helping me kill a couple of a-holes exploiting the game in its current broken state. Thankfully we were able to give them a taste of their own medicine.

[@AaronAlso]

I hope they lean heavily into the full loot pvp gameplay and inevitably pay the price for it. There are a few good articles about how full loot pvp games don't survive; especially, if the players are not challenged by a superior threat. They always devolve into senseless pvp "team deathmatch" mindsets; unless there is an ever present hostile threat. This works fine for a large map MOBA that has regular resets. It does not work for a persistent MMO virtual universe without that constant threat lurking around every corner. That encourages players to have empathy for one another and tend to offer assistance rather than shoot on sight.

[@stefensmith9522]

I thought that was awesome to walk out of the hab to firefights in the hallway lol

[@sevilnatas]

This was happening on day one of Pyro, so to think that Berks is somehow more responsible than the many other people battling it out at the Hab is ridiculous. Then when you throw in that he was coming to help someone, well, come on, what would you do if a party member told you they were stuck in the hab because a buncha people were blasting them right off the hab lobby elevators. What would you do?

[@realmwatters2977]

Yes hands off totally Lawless! With the gangs providing security!

[@chrisajokinen]

First time spawning into Pyro I took a second when seeing the hostile territory message and I was also busy make changes to my options. That is when I heard someone having a war in the hall outside. I decided this is a good time to equip my heavy armor and weapons. I step out and someone shots at me, thinking I would give them a chance in case they might be mistaking me for the bad guy I run down the hall and find a small nook to hide in. The shooter still shoots at me, and I take a t3 injury to my arm. Oh well, game on. He runs down to me, I unload my FS9 on him. He runs I chase and put the rabid dog out of his misery. Looking at the bodies in the hall, this cat was being an ass to everyone spawning in and killing the NPCs too. Fully expected this to happen in Pyro, a true murder hobo playground. I have already heard a number of players claiming they are not going to Pyro again because most players do not find it fun to load in equip their gear and get mowed down just out of the hab. If CIG wants to crack down on this but still keep it lawless then the station faction should force respawned the hostile with their gear outside of the station by at least 5000 meters. It will take them time to EVA back to the station or the can backspace with no gear.

[@YOYOTh1s]

A blanket "Go to the bathroom" is fine but actually going to poop or pee or shower would be a bit over the top. Just going to the bathroom in general terms should be enough to take care of the hygiene aspect.

[@zombieshuffle2680]

poop tech is the new bed sheet tech. give it two years and they'll show off some crazy specific liquid simulation tech based on the work they did with poop.

[@georgea5991]

"Just because you _can_ do something..." I was waiting for the 😉

[@JoshSweetvale]

Not being an asshole requires doing certain things and _not_ doing certain other things. "Oh no, the consequwuences of my actions."

[@DennisBLee]

Those would be the same people who would want you to call the police while you're in the process of being murdered.

[@mactan_sc]

it was a known issue on the very first patch notes , it didnt need to be "tested" at all

[@ZealithGamer]

agreed, poopin optional. Would be cool if there was incentive to. Like poop to make fertalizer when base building comes in xD

[@Randolphlalonde]

Kudos to you, Berks! Now I only wish you had an army behind you. I'd join up, but I'm recovering from a terrible case of carpal tunnel syndrome. Maybe someday. Thanks for the video!

[@Banzai431]

On the same side? According to these guys there are no sides in Pyro. You reap what you sow.

[@whiteobama3032]

Some peoples idea of having a good time is ruining the time for others. This kind of game with these rules is bound to deal with this. We'll see how it holds up.

[@Chase_The_Calm_Gaming]

Game play is game play. You did awesome.

[@kesselrunner]

Stuff like this makes me wish there was a single player universe to play in.

[@teddypicker8799]

As long as its not connected to PU. Don 't want everyone hiding in solo like elite dangerous

[@kesselrunner]

@@teddypicker8799 Yeah, that would be ideal. A completely separate universe where un-social players can fly in peace.

[@larrymitchell6470]

It’s good to stop those griefing others, CIG needs more guard rails in PvP to prevent it. The SECOND they drop them the trolls flood out the doors to cause issues. Add…in…guard…rails… Full loot sandbox MMOs will ALWAYS bring out trolls. Guard rails are not meant to punish, but rather control. No wonder so many are over it and want PvE and PvP servers.

[@Spidder81]

They need to sort out the AI like a lot so that armistcie zones dont exist, but the gang/security force (depending on the station location) looking after that station can take care of spawn campers and wrong doers etc with whatever force necessary As for the poo, i wanna be able to throw my poo at people

[@trinityx3o522]

You got ARK for that. You can even eat your own poo in that game

[@ausername7470]

Seeing everyone mad at you for using in-game machanics is hilarious.

[@user-oq8dj6do8v]

The elevators on Orison platform missions also don't allow you to shoot out. You can fire your gun, but won't kill anything shooting out.

[@eavdmeer]

That used to be the case and it was so annoying. Not anymore! I did a couple of the new 120k missions on the new platforms. You can now absolutely shoot enemies from within the elevators

[@MrGhost.]

They should add a outcast station/settlement in stead of a prison where people get sent after messing up whit a faction so all span campers get sent there. Whit only small pads to span ships. Noe local inventory, equipment and on hand to hand combat. I did suggest a packing tool/machine and disintegrate garbage tool during the 3.18 testing, but people did not like the idea of more beam tools

[@sly567]

🍿🍿🍿 PvPers are such children. This is why we can't have nice things 🤣

[@beardedbarnstormer9577]

I honestly enjoyed the pyro locker boxing. But yeah the spawn killers were super annoying

[@StarCitizenSpeakeasy]

i afraid that pooping is something CR wants as another thing to differentiate ships. like the Aroura, it has a bed but no bathroom so it can't be used on extended runs. but yeah i could do without it too.

[@LunaMoon0]

Pyro is not a lawless system, if some idiot says that I just freak out. The gangs in Pyro make the laws

[@theBadBadRobot]

What if you wait too long to poop? Do you shit yourself? Does poop get on your seat? Does it make you sick?

[@noahtemple7129]

Star system politics just got real 🤣get ready for a lawless star system 🤣

[@Baleur]

40:00 great idea but it could be made even simpler. If they had the ability to have dynamic mission payouts depending on party size. If you're in a party of 5, the mission you accept spawns 3x enemies (not 5x because it could get crazy, it has to be depreciating increases). Or, simply, if you're in a party of 5, EVERYONE gets 80% of full payout. If you're in a party of 10, EVERYONE gets 60% of full payout. We need to stop being so anal about keeping the same fixed payout as solo players get. Make it PROFITABLE to do multi-crew and party gameplay. It should not be LESS profitable than being solo. I dont care if the mission TOTAL payout is higher for a group than for a solo player, as long as EACH party member gets a percentage LESS than the solo player. To accurately split the payout so a party of 10 only gets 10% each, is ridiculously stupid. We need to be more liberal with the mission payouts, it doesnt have to be 1:1 equal split with a fixed reward. If you're in a party, give each member 80%. Who cares if the total goes up. If you wanna cheese it and be in a party of 50 people, doing missions that "only" spawn 10x the enemies (thus objectively being much easier than solo), SO BE IT. LET people have fun together and earn money. The payout must increase based on party size. We need people (and noobs) standing by the ASOP terminals spamming chat with "LFG doing bounty VHRT's!" We need people to WANT to be in a group because its more efficent to earn money that way. Right now, nobody could care less about finding a pubbie group, unless its for fun, and accepting you get next to no reward. Now everyone's just running around mute and solo because why split the payout when you can get 100% yourself?

[@TheRealBillix]

Griefing is pretty interesting to me.. In shooters if I notice someone is way less skilled or very laggy I won’t kill them straight away. Why? Well, it doesn’t feel good. But then again the motivation to play shooters might be a little different from griefers perspective. I try to get better, griefers enjoy killing in games.

[@schninx]

Jareds face impression was just priceless :)

[@apr6337]

Yeah the face of, we don’t give a damn. Just go buy more ships

[@Taztorien]

Patch City habs was broken, it wasn't meant to be like that. also if we was able to spawn into the hospital it would have fixed the issue. they couldn't loot them either, so it was an exploit , and not proper PVP. and to be fair the gang who owned the station, would not have let it happen, so hopefully the rep fix's that

[@NoNaNelson69]

as a pirate who is in similar sitatuions very often - just ignore it!! these are trolls and the more you give them attention the more satiafied they are

[@bongwaterbojack]

I get that Pyro is lawless, but lawless does not mean without consequence. It just changes who is in control. Once NPC factions actually do stuff and reputation is properly implemented, Pyro will become more balanced.

[@vykyngbla4772]

Technically spawn campers in this state of the game are testing the game too. If you don't like the spawn camping then just reset your account...

[@AMartin1600]

I think CIG should fix it But totally agree with you giving people a good taste of their own medicine 👏 👍

[@Tainted-Soul]

As for the spawn camping it was good of you to help out . Ollie43 had the same issue got shot as soon as he got in the game and left the hab spawn room . it took him 3 times to get out and that was with no clothes lol. But like he said it would not be an issue if you could change spawn locations or when you die Hospital ? would also stop it.

[@TheRealBillix]

Well Pyro just isn’t for Ollie43 lmao he targets randoms all the time with 0intention to fight

[@TheRealBillix]

Also I’m not supporting griefing 😄

[@Whoadayson]

As far as leavin Pyro as is, why do a bunch of kill for the sake of killing, unimaginative murderous tools need such a vast and visually stunning system. How about they can have Stanton, go buck wild blowing up parked ships, and Pyro can actually be the lawless system its supposed to be, but lawless doesnt mean w/o consequences. At the very least, their needs to be a bounty like system, so players such as me, who really want to hunt down the griefer types all fuckin day, for free, but theres no way to ID them other than global which is not what Im talking about. These kind of players arent pirates, nor is it a skill honing thing, they just kill the weakest 'opponent' all to mine salt in global. Its amazing how the anonymity of the net brings out the most pathetic in ppl!

[@cmdrls212]

I think it is funny a bug has caused so much drama

[@Ag0RxxLCSxx]

you did the right thing

[@RexAnothership]

I think they should leave it as is. Self regulation is the name of this system so let it self regulate, but as a lawless system it would make sense that there would be a garrison posted on either side of the wormhole. To stop the lawless from entering Stanton.

[@thegamingtribunal]

yeaaaaaaa.. the spirit should have had a side entrance like the freelancer series

[@XMathiasxX]

adults sound more like kids everyday

[@m.poppins4843]

First of all, I dont blame you. Both players and CIG are still trying to figure things out in this game, and as long as it remain undone, things like this are bound to happen. But. For the sake of arguing, helping someone out shouldnt be an acceptable reason to grief others. What if the griefer was helping someone too? When does it end?

[@joshuanissen8803]

first caller total Euro behaivor 😂

[@Charlouf_]

i'm not on reddit side, but making a IRL parallel to justify exploit at shooting thrue doors is fun.

[@YOYOTh1s]

Berks... You have a voice for radio. Nice and clear!

[@sennemaa5976]

You do the right thing 🎉

[@TheDeadbolts]

@Berks The spawn Campers are Greifernet Org.

[@PQKnuckles]

Welcome to Pyro

[@Kakeyoro]

CIG should get involved at some level. If not at least just to make an official statement on their perspective on what's going on. A lot of the people guilty of this stuff keep gas lighting and attempt make it look like this is something CIG completely expects and is building their tech for. Anyone against it is just an idiot or needs to "get good", "go back to Stanton". Sea of Thieves is a perfect example of what happens when a company doesn't take a stance on things like this.

[@SoulBad9uy]

System aren't in place yet....... lawless doesn't mean free to murder you think gangs would allow random killing on their terf even the inhabitants would seek retribution i mean murder hobos are bad for business ....i like that it gives you the freedom to do so but like many things in life just because you can doesn't mean you should glad you did what you did even if by the off chance you get ban they just need to implament a solution to give people a chance

[@and_barty3316]

Actually people like SpaceCutlet are the really weirdos. And he is an Evocati, good choice CIG 😂

[@kibeardless2455]

If you place away all exploits and face the fact that there will be NO armistice zones and this would be a real thing (you will literally smoke or fragment grenade your exist from hab each single time). And what Berks did - is exactly what WILL community do to prevent that chaos. I'm sure there will be a dedicated antigriefer orgs or anything like EVE solved that problem. Or... Fallout 76.

[@axm2689]

CIG breeds much of the toxicity in SC and I have to think they are doing it on purpose. Everyone accepts that it's an alpha and play testing various mechanics is welcomed. However, as has been proven time and again "hard-core-PVP-looting-MMO-RPG's" do not survive well if at all.

[@ionkon]

Whoever goes mad for anything that goes on in Pyro, they should stick to Stanton and save themselves the chew.

[@frances3064]

I think the f7 is getting update that’s why cost increase

[@kristophersouza8104]

Don’t spawn camp people in their room. It’s that simple. Spin away.

[@RicoZaid_]

Heck yea :)

[@roberthale8407]

It's not called "Pyro", its "PvPyro"

[@Eli_qt]

until reputation becomes an actual part of the game. things like this will never have a downside

[@Wyatt_o7]

I just spawned at check station cuz i heard about it happening watching vids before i played pyro

[@mstrickk1]

I wish I had been on this stream, I definitely got something I wanted to ask you about future game play that can't be conveyed in text.

[@maandooNass]

i choose my self to spawn at Patch city, i knew it will be HELL, and i enjoyed fight HARD to get out area alive each time (what i managed to success at 100%) , just yeah.. not cool for people who don't knew before xD and really but REALLY NOT COOL those people camping just to get free kills.. 0 iq..

[@takeonedaily]

Pyro isn't a truly "lawless" system. There's no Government sure but there's still gangs. The easy fix here is to have XenoThreat turn hostile to anyone who spawn camps habs. Allow the players the ability to do it. Sure, you can kill a few sperm suits and newbies but you'd have to then have be able to get out after with all of XT after your ass. Rep and consequences can't come soon enough.

[@eduardogarciatorres2165]

Make spawns be in armistice, past the zone is the wild west.....done

[@AnEmortalKid]

CamptainBerks strikes again

[@APolishedTurd]

They are gonna have to put up some sort of small armistice zone. Majority of the "pirates" or unlawful players go straight for tbis kind of gameplay and then love to try to find a way to frame you when you beat them. This is pretty typical behavior from that side of the playerbase. Or allow us an in game system to report shitty behavior like this into a tag system that sorts "bad sport" players into servers full of nothing but other peolle who do the same stuff.

[@Glathgrundel]

People love to gank, but HATE to have it happen to themselves. Griefers are the most whiny, delicate butt snowflakes when their murder spree is spoiled by getting murdered. … they are the guys calling 911 after running out of ammo during The Purge.

[@festersmith8352]

🤣 Perfect analogy!

[@fajarn7052]

And now these babies will go back and pad ram people on station back on stanton...

[@Gahet]

I REALLY hope CiG takes a completely hands off approach to lawless systems. Are people going to be jerks? Absolutely. Does it provide endless opportunities for emergent gameplay? Again, absolutely. People need to put on their "big boy" pants and realize that lawless systems are going to be very hostile places generally speaking. I do however think it's rather shitty of people to do this sort of thing (spawn camping) while the game is not yet a game. We're all just testers in test environments. Once the game is released, by all means let your villain flag fly, do your worst!

[@trixon2118]

Reddit is whining ever since reddit came to life. It's actually hillarious how some people take reddit seriously. Those guys will shit on anyone even if they dont know anything about the situation

[@sailboattrash]

reminds me of the old grim hex, where the airlock was the kill zone. frustrating, but still so much fun. they had that other airlock where you could eva around and kill the airlock campers. i dunno. i had fun. :P

[@DarthFergan]

Dude the biggest haters are crawling between the fans.

[@JayColtMartin]

Solution: Let players change their spawn point

[@Tharagar]

Typical griefers... when they have things going their way, ie abusing or exploiting mechanics or ganking to actively ruin other players expierence... L2P, it's pvp blah blah. But when they get the tables turned on them... Wahh wahhh mommy the bad people are hurting me.... PVP != (does not equal) griefing and behaving like trash.

[@vrnorwaynorway6048]

I want to be famous streamer and also i dont ever wanna be streamsniped again

[@internet_tough_guy_]

I would care more if Star Citizen wasn't such a dumpster fire of a game. Berks didn't really do anything wrong here, next time bring a streamer zerg and camp the habs with extreme prejudice then live off the salt for the next several years.

[@uberclark900]

Berks, you can “grief” me anytime

[@lesh.354]

Hang on a sec you shot then killed a delivery box guy 😊lol too funny...on a serious note spawn camping in the hab and lift I mean seriously small brains entertainment

[@oracka2289]

WoW comparing a selfless act of bravery to save ( imaginary or not)a child to playing a video game and doing some pvp . Even for the normal streamer self importance ego types thats pretty fuckin low ......

[@Dobranican]

I mean, they fucked around and found out, they got exactly what they asked for seeing they were doing the exact same things to others. But I feel there should be station arm zones where spawn locations are, or the ability to cast out to another station if that one becomes a killzone.

[@baked_code]

:D

[@criticalchai]

I just posted a video about a bunch of people camping that middle level between the hab and entrance elevators. 2 to 3 guys with grenade launchers just wiped out everyone that came out the elevators or tried to get around them. Not sure if these guys are the same guys you had to deal with. I really wonder if CIG was testing what no armistice would look like in stanton. there was talk of removing it. If they did want to make a PvP spawn location like patch city I really hope they lay it out like a FPS map with lots of ways of getting in and out of it. Having everything funnel into a single bottleneck was painful. made me think of rust.

[@hangglidingmontana6134]

Spawn camping isnt ok in any game. This game sucks enough already. Theres a bug that every death causes client crashes. So thats a fun way to grief someone every 20 minutes, when they TRY TO log in. If you are a part of griefing in armistice, should be perma ban.

[@randomly-genrated]

I think people should be able to go crazy in lawless areas. Don't want to get wrecked, don't go there.

[@ThirsttyRecon]

I think Chris Roberts needs to wake up and realize that his vision of everyone playing like as though IRL consequences are a thing is never going to be a reality. People will exploit and grief as much as they can, Just because they CAN.