Star Citizen's Backlog of Unfinished Ships | How Big & Why So Big?

Today we'll be taking a deep dive into the collection of ships that have been sold as concepts in Star Citizen, but still not released in the game.
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[@justalex4214]

Imo the way they are making the spirit should be the template of how they handle any and all concept sales going forward. Meaning presenting and selling the concept and then immediately putting it into production from start to finish, no breaks or interruptions. I think there would be much less backlash on concept sales if all of them would be handled like that. Whether they have good reasons to not produce a concept doesn't really matter, 8 years of being a jpg just feels a bit scummy, no matter how you look at it.

[@FuriousImp]

A bit?

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Everything should be in production by the time it's rescheduled, agreed. Look at the Tumbril Storm as well

[@lundske]

They wont be able to do that until they catch up, but then going forwards after the backlog is finished yeah, they should do that

[@justalex4214]

@@lundske nah, they can do this right away, all they have to do is make concepts that are realistic to produce within a year instead of throwing another massive ship at us that'll spend half a decade in the backlog. Rn they have multiple vehicle teams that work on the spirit, the santokyai, the storm, a few unannounced vehicles AND the polaris, so they clearly have the capacity to work on the backlog as well as new ships at the same time.

[@martinschemmel84]

they always had a concept mid year which they finish until end of the year. Like the alien birdy boy for instance. They even had a release label for that one. But yea, it's always that one concept they finish till the end of the year.

[@starwarslegends8583]

Pyro could be a reason to have the Kraken just because there won't be many if at all, friendly or ally bases to replenish fuel and repairs from. Without it, you'd have to go to the one and only station in Pyro, I think and that one isn't run by the UEE. Other than that, I can't see anyone wanting to use the Kraken in just the Stanton System.

[@TheDaaabou]

I fear that their servers are not strong enough right now. At the Kraken's release, everyone will want to see one, all kraken owners will pop at the same time, the servers won't hold. CIG needs to improve first on main technical features to fluidify the game i guess.

[@chillylytical9410]

if cig had a stable team for each ship class, that being a very big team for capital ships, a slightly smaller team for large ships, medium sized team for medium ships, then a smaller team for small ship or ground vehicles. The only team that should be moving directly to each other is the textures team or by collaborating is the assets team. But it should only be a segment of team not the entire staff. That would guarantee that ships are consistently worked on and not just left around on a whim.

[@joshua41175]

I think how it's organized currently is there are teams for each manufacturer no?.

[@chillylytical9410]

@@joshua41175 I believe thats the case rn but I'd rather ship classes take precedence over manufacturers.

[@SteinbergerGPPRo]

I think if you had teams laid out by size rather than manufacturer you'd end up with a lot of design inconsistency within brands.

[@StrongBoi765]

@@SteinbergerGPPRo yeah, true

[@Miku.Chan.1]

Yes random youtuber you know better than....people whose job to figure out what works best for the last 11 years.

[@dragofire5063]

Issue isn't just the concept ships, it's also the number of ships in game that had some of their features removed, and some no longer flyable. Prowler and Gladiator are two of the worst cases

[@bogustoast22none25]

Prowler got done dirty. Removed all its combat potential and given none of the stealth.

[@gkenny12]

It's a tragedy that the Vulcan isn't in production. Not and owner but that ship is Aegis so Its nice. I am only waiting for X1 and G12 to complete my backlog.

[@robertchandler2063]

My backlog is oooo yeah I would never buy unproduced ships

[@RainOfFodderco]

Making the reclaimer so early likely has a lot to do with how poorly it functions.

[@staticneuron]

We are soul brothers. I also love the C1. I think people want to get a capital because they like a particular company. Speaking of which, we have yet to see an Anvil Cap class iirc. It seems as if resource management and performance is reason we don't see the largest ones. For wheeled vehicles the refactor is in 3.20 so I am hoping we see G12 and Ranger soon. But smaller ships I hope they at least get them out more.

[@Dorm_]

I would like a good reason to use these in game, at the moment there is none! Yeah its fun to use a ground vehicle for messing about and doing donuts but that`s it really. Makes me sad. They even said in their latest post that they will not be releasing any ships that do not have any gameplay loops, and then we get the Hull-c :D And why are everyone talking about C1 that hasnt even come out yet?

[@staticneuron]

@@Dorm_ I am assuming everyone is talking about C1 because that ship and the AI variant is scheduled for a 3.2.x patch. Also the Hull-C is being launched with specific features to load and unload ships. Despite it seeming a bit cumbersome the usage is there. And ground vehicles def would get more use when starmap gets updated to include planetary surface support. The amount of times I tried to drive from a city to an outpost and failed was numerous and killed my plans. But when it is in. We will most likely be able to park our ships in safe distances and drive to targets.

[@BradfordRichardsonDefense]

That hurt my feelings hearing my C1 comes in Oct or Nov… 😐 i want it now, and i been needing a solo ship like this!!! I’m always dolo and this is all i need. Its the cutty without the yseless turret for me. My cutty turret is dusty af!!! Lmao

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Spirit can't come soon enough!

[@MahBones]

I think we got the Carrack because the amount of community QQ relating to that ship was epic and endless

[@mabs9503]

I mean yea. 😠

[@goldennegro8239]

Chris Roberts has a yacht and his kids are well fed :D

[@TheIceJester]

Still crazy to see the Genesis sold as a concept since 2014. We are currently in 2023 and we still have no news on this ship to date. It's sad because it's a ship that I find interesting but paying $400 and waiting 10-15 years to be able to play with it. This is nonsense!

[@Abyssdiver]

FRAUD

[@llillian4055]

Star Hangar is great for comparing ship sizes :)

[@TheIconicHat]

The Perseus and Galaxy have the same frame (Without ship specific modules and additions). When one comes out I would expect to follow. The earlier one being the less specialized one.

[@UNiTEDDKSilent21]

The MSR bulked up because they added an unnecessary amount of cargo area, and a hidden tunnel.

[@avon_c6199]

A hidden, imo pretty useless, tunnel where I wonder how many players actually use it.

[@UNiTEDDKSilent21]

@@avon_c6199 Yea exactly, nobody uses it and nobody even asked for it, they added it because it reminded them of the compartment in the millennium falcon, it could have just been a closet or some dumb shit, plus the entire cargo bay is way too large, well at least we get the "spirit" of the OG MSR, which is why I believe they called it the spirit.

[@az_3kgt714]

I think it'll get more use once you can drop weapons into crates. Like the boxes you can get from a cargo center. And use the tunnels for smuggling weapons behind enemy lines. Like America and the French resistance during ww and the "liberator" gun

[@mikos321]

It's more important that there is gameplay than what ship is available to fly with.

[@Tirak117]

The A1 is weird because of the way the bombs are arranged. It doesn't make sense since you're tossing the bombs longways into the airstream, dropping them straight down would induce tumbling and run the risk of hitting your own ship. But the positioning almost makes them look like the perfect size for some sort of Titan Suit drop bay. There were rumblings of work on Titan suits around the same time as the Spirit got announced, so its always made me wonder if they developed it as a titan suit dropship, realized the gameplay wouldn't be ready for a few years and so tossed in the bomb dropper as a stand in.

[@justalex4214]

I wouldn't read too much into inconsistencies like this as there are many cases where their design makes no sense in terms of realism/practicality and just follows the rule of cool or whatever. Look at the carrack elevator for example, no one in their right mind would build an unsealed elevator that stretches over all floors of the ship, it's a massive design oversight.

[@Mike5Brown]

Well damn didn't realize I wanted another drop ship in game but here we are.

[@chrishoppner150]

CIG has no idea how physics work. Nothing new.

[@peinacalvos95]

I own the Polaris and the Perseus. Both would make sense in the game right now so I'm very pleased with CIG's decission to go ahead with RSI ships first. The Apollos are also under development right now and that's fantastic

[@ArcticGamez]

every ship is unfinished in this game if you really think about it

[@haletech437]

There was a developer on, I believe, it was ISC that said they could port all of the interior from sq42 for the idris, and it could be in players' hands in under 24 hours but he said players wouldn't enjoy flying it, whatever that means. He went on to explain that the flight model contributed to it as well.

[@Sm0lPerson]

It's big, it'd only really be run by orgs, which would create a massive unbalance in servers where orgs joined. Plus given its scale it's probably incredibly slow and unwieldy. So I can understand the laymen not enjoying it. It's a nice set piece to look at but you'd eventually get tired of running through the endless halls just to do a cargo run. That and I do strongly believe, that most players aren't willing to use ships as intended, most try and land big ships when the intended loop is to use smaller ships to go from orbit. Most people complained that the Reclaimer was hard to take off planetary surfaces. Imagine the complaints with a frigate. or bigger. Don't get me wrong, I really want my Merchant. But a lot of people tend to play solo and until we get AI controlled turrets, large ships would just sit in their hangars indefinitely. Like my Poor reclaimer, it's just easier to run the vulture. And until ship to ship/station docking becomes more widely available, we won't see many of the bigger ships. because the landing ports don't have the infrastructure for it.

[@joshua41175]

Psure the legionaire is a dedicated set piece ship for SQ42. Theres gonna be a mission where you gotta do a boarding action and they wanted a ship specifically for that mission. Insert the legionnaire.

[@uberfu]

Perseus is not a cap ship - it's the same size range as the HH and both are very much dwarfed by the Polaris. Polaris is a missile boat (think capital size Retaliator); while the Perseus is gunship at the upper tier of large ships (think large sized Redeemer).

[@matthewsmith7947]

One ship i would like to hear something about would be the Mining ship they made us vote for the manufacturer we wanted to make it, ever since that vote we havent heard anything about that ship, and i guess now they are working on Polaris and with the winner being RSI for that vote maybe we would be hearing something on it. we dont have many mining ships only the prospector and MOLE atm so would be nice to see another ship.

[@jobrosrock436]

they implied we'd see it at IAE during the Citcon presentation.

[@lint3067]

Well covered sir, well put together. C1 will likely be my daily driver as well

[@bitrunner2000]

you know what sux? i've purchased 2 endeavors (master sets), liberator, legionnaire, apollo medevac, bmm, ranger cv, g12, and most recently, the storm that i have to wait on...all of them with LTI that i've collected over the years since the original kickstarter...

[@STARJUMP_GRIM]

Great video SpaceTomato! Yeah the ship sizes are some times hard to picture in ones mind. The starjump fleetviewer can help ya there, but yeah the Perseus is a bit smaller than one would think. Smaller than the hammerhead even.

[@chrisstedman-mj1tp]

I feel like the C1 is supposed to be Crusader’s answer to RSI’s Constellation. The concept is working its way around I believe (Drake Corsair, Origin 400i, etc.)

[@hollywoodguy70]

I'm 53 now. If it takes another 20 years to get my backlog ships, I'll have one hell of a retirement. Big bootie barges ftw. When are we going to hear about the Vulcan though? It's not that big of a ship and it fits in with salvage since it basically does the reverse.

[@naseros464]

I think what will push the genesis into production is actual cargo load times. While your hull c, d, and e get loaded up with cargo at the local space station, space truckers are going to want something to do rather than chill in a space station for the millionth time. Getting farried planet side to expla city and maybe do a mission or two will be nice when you ship is stuck in orbit

[@Watcher6927]

Could the C1 be due to tractor beams being worked on and they want to start iwth one on it?

[@cdlord80]

I hope we get some variants for the Gensis, cargo and other stuff. It's an interesting looking ship.

[@DownshiftDilemma]

been out of the game for a few years great review and catch up, might wait a few more years before i jump back in

[@peinacalvos95]

At this point they should only create small size concepts until they finish most of the pending ones. If they make significant progress in the upcoming years to the point that the game is WAY more playable than now, that would be enough to attract new players and make the old ones wonder about spending 💲 again

[@Zeoran]

What's even more interesting is that you can buy a Polaris CCU'd ship for less than $450 on 3rd party sites.

[@wafflesinsanity]

@space The Ranger was actually mentioned in this weeks SCL, they spoke to their reasoning for holding it back. That they would like to create ACTUAL 2 wheel performance instead of just doing what other games do and use the same mechanics as a 4 wheeled ship, and use 'magic' to make it have 2 wheels. An interesting reason, but a reason none the less.

[@GUNNER67akaKelt]

The Lightning is mostly done, just held for SQ42. The galaxy (with the necessary module), is also a refinery ship. I most want the Ranger.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

I can't wait for my Merchantman and Railen.

[@Tael71]

Simple answer is "New Cash is King". CIG already has already spent all the money from the old ships and need newer ships created and rolled out to keep money coming in. CIG also still keeps rolling out variants of ships instead of the promised modularity for hulls. Same with paints, back in 2015 we were promised an ASCII paint editor for our ships. Certain colors or patterns would be saved for rewards or sales, but a lot more paint customization was going to be in the game. That appears abandoned as more and more paint sales come out.

[@avon_c6199]

They knew very well that players would want customization options with colors and all that jazz, so they turned it into an additional source for funding with imo pretty lazy colorswaps rather than giving us the tools for it and possibly dry up that revenue stream.

[@Abyssdiver]

@@avon_c6199 We had been originally promised the ability to change the color of our ships ourselves but nope... It is all about the benjamins and will NEVER be a finished game! FRAUD CITIZEN

[@angelarch5352]

When you count just "number of" ships they have completed, it heavily misleads the number since most of those are just a box with an engine or wheels stuck on it, which could be made in a short time by a new-hire, and literally what they admitted to doing with the Fury. Each of those quickies counts as a whole single ship done... so they skew the numbers to cover up that they are not making progress on the actual important ships.

[@jacksheet1032]

NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF GAME DEVELOPMENT, HAS SO MUCH BEEN OWED, TO SO MANY, BY SO FEW!

[@yugbe]

I think once we have Pyro, Refining ships, and tractor beams, we will see the capital ships come to roadmap faster as these will serve as permanent livable spaces for some players/orgs. Pyro will most likely be the basis for the Data Running missions as well.

[@fate-aki]

Apollo also needs Modularity.

[@valeriansamborski5844]

Hopefully, this means that the connie is getting an interior rework, sometime in the future, with all these new assets becoming available and all.

[@Paceytron]

To be honest, while I know that they’ve said working on a RSI capital means that enables to work on other RSI capitals more easily, I don’t expect that to mean they continue working on the series. I’d imagine that they may shift focus and build up design languages for the other manufacturers to form up templates going forward

[@Sm0lPerson]

This^ CIG are known for the stepping stone approach. They'll make the template, move to the next, and so on. Only once ever stone is set will they go back and fill in the path. It's tedious and annoying for us but considering how stretched thin they are due to Chris' great vision, it makes sense.

[@Joseplh]

I personally am excited for the Anvil Liberator. While a more straightforward hauler, I just want that carrier gameplay. I expect the biggest hurdle is the cargo gameplay.

[@uberfu]

Backlog Lynx + HULL A+C ... were released. And the X1 was just mentioned in active develoment this week.

[@uberfu]

3.21 has committed the A1 and the C1 is tenative along with the Storm. But these aren't really backlog compared to many many other vehicles. The SRV is also tenative and is more of a backlog item than the others.

[@uberfu]

The MSR is on the list to be overhauled (likely after the 600i rebuild; 600i will be late 2024 or sometime in 2025).

[@uberfu]

IDRIS - Problem with CIGs logic about spoilers for not releasing the ship prior to SQ42 ... Many backers/players don't care about the single player game and will likely not play it but might have acquired an Idris for their inventory in the PU and won't really have anything to be spoiled about since they don't give a rats left butt cheeck about the single player game. So CIG is just wasting those backers time and money by not allowing it to be in the PU.

[@Nosdeblack]

56:20 - About Nautilus, it will surely be used to improve racing tracks experiences XD or as a king of bomber if in atmo.

[@Sm0lPerson]

They've spread themselves thin developing two games at the same time. So I understand the lack of manpower to push out some ships, considering the ships we've been given and the ships we haven't We do get a lot just not the ones people usually want. I've been waiting on the merchant, and with the release of the Hull-C I do believe they have intentions to return to the unreleased ships. But for a game that I have been loving my time with despite it's bugs. I'm happy, the addition of 30k recovery systems tells me that they do care about their game and it's community. People just have to understand making games isn't easy and there's a lot of things that go wrong when you have so many linked back-end systems.

[@cmdr_thrudd]

These backlog videos always make me sad. I've pledged for 5 ships, BMM, Endeavour, Orion, Crucible and Corsair. Only one is flyable and the rest years away lol. On the plus side, I expect they'll be in a good state when they finally get made after years of practice making ships and having more systems in game.

[@SashaG805]

They also have so many reworks, like the 600i and Tally (What I heard). You got a great voice :)

[@aleksanderw5536]

I think you are underestimating nautilus. With just two people (pilot + gunner) you get turret with 2xS7 guns on and good tracking range on a ship with heavy armor and strong shields. Even without mine gameplay this ship is really strong against larger targets. I think this can be good counterbalance for Perseus

[@Zeoran]

It's ridiculously stupid that they're keeping the spirit E1 from being put into the pipeline and yet they allow the A1 to be in the pipeline. What's the excuse? A lack of gameplay? There's no gameplay for brown bombs and yet they're building the A1. So the no gameplay excuse is a moot. So again, why the heck isn't the E1 in the pipeline?

[@valorunkommon799]

I'm actually pretty interested in seeing the Nautilus finished only because of the potential for its game play loop. Minefields have the potential to be very OP when deployed correctly (and patrolled) and could be used to great effect by pirates or security forces to funnel quarry or prevent escape when paired with a QT interdictor

[@Dorm_]

You guys got game play loops?

[@sasori720]

I think you undervalued the issue of engineering gameplay when it comes to larger ships.

[@meyatetana2973]

Honestly bigger the ship the longer it'll take and it should take because when doors don't work or ramps stop working that's frustrating. But they still need to start focusing on the old ships and start completeing them

[@Dorm_]

Wish they would have done something similar to what Starfield has, look at big real manufacturers they all use parts from different lineups. You can find same parts in a cheap Audi than you can find in the more expensive ones. It`s cost effective and makes production easier. But "NO" CIG has do do everything the hard way and invent the gunpowder each time.

[@Gink.]

really wished the second seat in my C8R would work. Been broken since 3.19 lunched.....

[@wafflesinsanity]

Anyone have a link to the list he is displaying?

[@SpruceMoose-iv8un]

Pyro will have longer distances between planets, the Kraken could carry light fighters across the solar system or places they could not get to themselves. Or the Kraken could be the base of a mining op where the ships would unload onto the kraken instead of using up fuel flying back to a port to sell it.

[@Zeoran]

This is a point of contention I'm sure, but the Polaris isn't necessarily a capital ship, it's a Corvette it just happens to have capital parts. But it's not in the same class as say a real capital ship like a kraken or an Idris or javelin

[@Power5]

I cannot wait to see how the pioneer constructs the stuff they showed at citcon for base building teaser. Especially the hydroponics lab that was like 10 stories tall. Also that home base they showed was in the middle of a forest. How exactly does a massive ship fit into that space? If vulcan has an orange skin it would be Argo. It does not appear to be an Aegis to me.

[@theadventuresofjimmycrapol8827]

I have an Idris-P (with the Kit) and a Polaris in dry dock - under construction. Can't wait for these babies.

[@joshuaedelman6381]

They are going to drop the spirit line this next event, but... how many ships are they going to introduce during the event? I am worried about the ponzi scheme of ship sales. We sell new ships to help fund the ships we already sold, so we constantly need to introduce new ships. Eventually, they will not sell enough new ships inorder to pay for the old ships... And then what? Someone is left not getting what they paid for.

[@andrewbarragan3626]

I feel like even ships that don't have all their gameplay features (such is already the case for a LOT of flyable ships...) should still be made and put into the game ahead of their "feature". If they'd waited for tractor beams, we'd be down a bunch of ships, same with drones (Carrack...) and so on. Even ships like the Nautilus, which already jave establish manufacturer interiors from the Idris and Hammerhead, and not being touched. Just make the thing and incorporate mines/drones as they become available.

[@marvinmuller4003]

First time viewer. Really enjoy your sympathic and insidefull way of talking about the game. Greatings from Germany.

[@ZackSavage]

Im still hyped for the Orion. would love to see astroid munchin.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

The backlog is the noose that will hang CIG.

[@Bjarki2330]

The difference between Odyssey and Carrack is that Odyssey is more of an expedition ship. It's got more cons for a "base" than the Carrack, but it lacks the exploration capabilities of the Carrack. It was advertised as a Carrack killer, but it isn't. Odyssey = Great base, has refinery (Expedition rated) Carrack = Actually built for exploration (Exploration rated)

[@spo0keyg452]

hell im still waiting on the bikes lol

[@JohnnyStroud]

Thanks, Space Tomato. I fell hard for the MSR and bought it outright as soon as I saw it. However, I melted it down for the Gatac Railen. Running a veritable MARATHON, to get to the pilot's chair, got REAL OLD, FAST!

[@Dorm_]

For a ship this small it should not really be a marathon, why havent they put a door at the front for easy access? then it would have been a 10/10.

[@silentassailant3905]

polaris has 28 size 10 torps spread over 4 "mounts" or launchers checking the wiki makes that known

[@Sir_Pickle]

Imagine hyping up the banu merchantman so much then raising its price just to be pretty much back where it started

[@Lead1121]

I wanna be a spaceline pilot so bad. That’ll be my favorite gameplay loop

[@vulcan4d]

How about the Endeavor? KZbin CIG videos don't erase history, devs said it was near completion in 2016 or something like that :/.

[@Zeoran]

I think it's stupid to do the Polaris first over the Galaxy when the Galaxy can be made and put into the PU now without any need for more gameplay or related systems. CIG has stated that there's no more tech holding up modular ships now that the Hull-C is done. So why not finish the Galaxy first that can actually serve a purpose in the game right now vs the Polaris that needs capital ship parts and capital ships themselves since it's designed as a captial ship killer.

[@mythicallegendary3992]

I have the Polaris, Perseus, and Idris, cant wait for them to come into the verse.

[@LankyFlames]

Is the RSI Pegasus even on the ship list anymore

[@TheRealMiniIsHere]

I do not know why but I want the kraken but it is super expensive! I think I like it because it is in a style of a navy carrier and I love navy ships. If I get rich enough one day to buy one I think I would for the org lol

[@benthomson1132]

I'm excited at the prospect of them merely being in the game, even if I'm rarely ever going to be inside one. It's just so incredibly cool-looking, and the gameplay it conceivably introduces is so fundamental to the fleshed-out universe that we're all hoping to enjoy... someday.

[@Abyssdiver]

@@benthomson1132 YES THIS!!!! Put 2 of them in game then fully crew them BOOM shit server is full and full of 30K crashes.... Shit Citizen = FRAUD

[@dfgggg89]

Roman empire counterpart is the Han empire. First mass use of the silk road.

[@cicio7777]

CIG needs to add more small pads and 1 medium pad to the Kraken. Kraken 2.0

[@51ghardy]

The voice of reason. I love this guy.

[@rayfighter]

except we don't hear the reasons why people keep buying the concepts, and why it should be CIG and not them players to stop such compulsive behaviour. Instead of just digging through the boring graphs and excels, answer the questions why there's never enough ships, why we love them so much, and why people love Star Citizen, what makes this so different from all the other games? Those would be an interesting topics to cover. Topics Tomato started with, and made me subscribe to him in the first place. It's good to have the SaltyMike, and it is obviously critical to have balance, but neither devs nor reasonable player need to point out that this shit is hard. We know that.

[@51ghardy]

I am going to disagree with you. I boycott Salty Mike after his treatment of Ded Leader, but I had soured on him before that. Salty Mike is way too Salty and just spouts his opinions on the edge of tears. It is completely unwatchable. It might be different if Mike were to make his own content, but most days, he is just critiquing other creators' content. It's a pass from me.

[@rayfighter]

@@51ghardy but I agree with you, I think that Mike knows nothing.

[@51ghardy]

@@rayfighter I guess I misunderstood. I know one thing, I love watching Star Citizen develop and grow.

[@johndonovan7018]

reminder that after 10 literal years, they delivered the HULL C... BROKEN! and did not even fix it in the hotfix.

[@ilovespreadsheets3075]

Would not surprise me if the Idris and Jav were having a lot of work done as they need to be ready for S42 possibly same for the vulc.

[@ElijahNMitchell]

I hope they give the E1 owners at least the C1 as a loaner if they don’t release it. :(

[@thesilver3794]

Its still rather confusing that they even started on the BMM since they dont have a backlog of banu ships vs working on Polaris first since they can reuse assets to other rsi ships + the backlog wouldn't be as bad if they didnt have to remake most ship for new tech "gold standard" (even tho gold standard dosent really mean finished)

[@LucidStrike]

That's a decision they made already, to put the BMM on the back burner and shift to the Polaris. They told us that months ago actually.

[@thesilver3794]

​​​​​​@@LucidStrikewas talking about pre the senior designers leaving. Why even start the progress on BMM in the first place, when they currently cant reuse banu assets(no backlog of banu ships) other then bmm

[@CapnSnackbeard]

​@@thesilver3794because it's been ten years of stringing it along, and now it is time to deliver. Why work on SQ42, which is a game that has NOTHING to do with the ship I bought? That's the question.

[@Abyssdiver]

@@CapnSnackbeard I have the answer for you... FRAUD citizen

[@LucidStrike]

@@CapnSnackbeard Nah, SQ42 has a lot to do with SC, considering it's essentially just a big SC mission in a different context. 90% of work going toward SQ42 also goes toward SC. Those 10% of SQ42-only deliverables aren't the reason SC is still in alpha.

[@mabs9503]

I wonder what Rick Sternbach, Michael Okuda, and the rest of the 90s Trek crew are up to these days. I'm sure they could teach CIG a few things about designing beautiful capital ships.

[@sebc8938]

What is very bad is the concept of modularity of ships in Star citizen. It seems they are planning to make dedicated modules for each ships. Thus this will takes a lot of time and work even when the function will be available. They should have designed common modules if not for all modular ships, at least for each ship company. And companies could have provided ships with 1, 2 or 3 modules or even bigger ones.

[@martinschemmel84]

I never understood why people expected the MSR to be sleaker than it is. I find that it pretty much nails the concept. Maybe its the wide angle or idk what... but from the rear its built just like at the concept.. like.. you couldnt make the cargo area height smaller than a person, what did you expect?

[@CellDE]

The MSR has currently very limited use, zhe cargo bay offers some variance, but the rest of the space is just eye candy. Multi Crew is an argument but its to weak to hold against fighters ...

[@brianv1988]

Did you mention anything about the Bengal carrier I think it's called I didn't even see it on that list are they going to make that a ship in-game you can fly and go and watch from 6 years ago the vanduul driller reveal sc video. Good Lord I wish they would bring that back even if it's just a ship we face against in the verse as a enemy capital ship/ boss fight. Lol

[@chrishoppner150]

Sounds like they're very slowly getting less scummy with ship sales, while very quickly getting more scummy with all the other cash grabbing.

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

When they started to sell equipment and gear it makes me nervous it is a bit scummy especially since there is no warning that you can lose it for the entire patch in like 5 minutes

[@stellarian3396]

Base building has been announced as of citcon 2953 as a feature being worked on. Also that the galaxy will be a S-L building crafter for base building

[@stellarian3396]

Also X1 hinted for IAE

[@justicebrown1077]

Imma be honest, the only vehicle in the back log I want to see atm is the Titan mech. Mostly because Im a fangirl for mechs and wanna carry a size one laser repeater into a bunker

[@nikkotan2840]

Well for the Alien Race if The UEE (Roman Empire), Xi'an (Chinese Dynasty), Vanduul (Barbarian/Viking), and Banu (Egyptians). I would really love to see more Vanduul backstory since they are the most Technological Superior and Highly Advanced and Sophisticated Alien Civilization in SC/Squadron 42 Verse. But in my own opinion and point of view the Vanduul was once a great race of a great empire since all Vanduul clans and ships are practically the same designed, aesthetics, architecture, and functionality, until they were beaten, conquered, or exiled from their empire by an even greater Hyper-Advance Race or a Rival Empire with the same technological level as the Vanduul. By then they were scattered and broken into rivaling clans of nomadic lifestyle. Also i hope in the soon future we would see some unique features and components that CGI will add (hopefully) into the game, aside from the Life Support System and especially like the Inertial Dampening or Cancelling System. I mean i could understand if the UEE and Tevarin's has not developed that kind of technology that would negate high G's during tight and fast maneuvering, but for the more Ancient Races like the Xi'an who became a space fairing race 30,00 years ago than that of Humanity and the Banu who are even more ancient compared to the Xi'an. Then there's an even older race the Vanduul, so given the timeline and length of their technological advancement its easy to say they have those Inertia Canceller like those of Star Wars or Inertia Dampener of those of Star Trek.

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

Feel bad for some of the guys I know and hear about that don't make it to see their ship in game that they paid for but hopefully their money wasn't for nothing.

[@ZanHellish]

Mongol invasion on Europe was defended by Poland, like much other invasion was save by Poland.

[@ericwollaston5654]

I love your stuff, it's high quality. But introducing many of these ships, particularly the capital class, was obviously part of their funding model - very simple to me, at least. I've been a backer since 2016, and I understand it's how they fund the project. Never expect the big ones to arrive anytime soon, I understand that also. The game has been developing very slowly, I readily admit, and whether I or anyone agree with the funding model it is what it is.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Agreed. I do hope they go with medium ships more in the future.

[@ericwollaston5654]

@SpaceTomatoToo Overall, you are right in target in my mind - medium should be the mainstay. The days of capital ships driving and fueling the project are over, until we get into a more complete state.

[@glen9593]

It definitely wasn't Ming dynasty. It would've been the Han.

[@bar10dr]

The big ships dont make much sense without a lot of systems and a working economy, even the hull c doesnt make any sense in the current game I think

[@TennysonEStead]

If the UEE is the Roman Empire, the Xi'an would I believe be the Egyptians.

[@Texas240]

5:02 And then the pleasant looking Zues arrives as a concept a month later...

[@Accuracy158]

Drones probably won't get worked on until all the NPC AI is functioning well and working like they are supposed to. Right now we know the game isn't able to handle computer controlled entities with AI behavior.