Star Rail's Deadest Team Comp

[@messmass2573]

> read the video title as "deadliest" instead of "deadest" > saw mono quantum lineup > got confused > read the title again > audibly go "oh"

[@CrazyChillDog]

Same, brother.

[@16SF]

Literally me lol

[@Lilackity]

Same and I was thinking, I never see anyone use this team anymore

[@mathpi2211]

Same

[@rappaispeak]

me too

[@theangryepicbanana]

holy shit mono quantum mentioned

[@allenwalker4703]

billions must gamble

[@Difelder]

literally my reaction

[@_mako]

back when QQ ruled the world

[@hungnao282]

​@@Difeldersame

[@jmcMateo]

I think mono fire will be like mono quantum

[@blippy117]

mono quantumn was my first ever "meta" team that got me through swarm disaster and moc it will always have a place in my heart (+ tiny girl supremacy)

[@aliadel1475]

don't worry it will come back

[@AzureDrag0n1]

Well it is still good enough to 3 star Apocalyptic Shadow. I used it for that. It lets you cheat out a weakness implant earlier than you are supposed to. Firefly and Boothhill can do it too and way better but it is still something that is relevant to mono quantum.

[@keithwoo1846]

MONO HEIGHT TEAM

[@GoukiDoki]

Mono Four foot followers

[@theinbunch1380]

​@@aliadel1475 Yeah, in concept it is a pretty good team (if not one of the best) for bruteforcing. The problem is that the only 5-star hypercarry in that comp is REALLY dated.

[@haatsunemiku]

ruan mei's weakness break extend is just freeze but better. like it skips a turn without any side effects and it's always going to proc no matter what

[@mptyalln]

depends on her BE while freeze is unconditional tho

[@chilledtea904]

@@mptyallnfreeze res ☹️

[@SeaweedAK]

It's just not the time for freeze meta to rise yet

[@hailthequeenFM]

​@mptyalln weakness break entension is the thing from her Ult, it doesn't scale with BE.

[@tabletennisstars1227]

just wait for dissosiaction or whatever that is applyer support and freeze willbe meta

[@viviblue7277]

Mono fire is pretty respectable these days. Back in the ancient past you could run 3 fire units and silver wolf and it would work pretty well. These days Firefly is way better and implanting weakness. Once we get Fugue mono fire will really come into its own again. Is mono fire just a break team in disguise? Kinda but that’s been fire’s identity since the game released, with Himeko leading that charge at first and now Firefly. Also calling mono quantum dead is a tad harsh. It still performs respectably even if it’s fallen out of the meta, it really just needs a dps more with the times than Selee to be very good again.

[@modernismisreal]

Mono Quantum really has a lot of SHORTcomings, it really needs a new HIGH impact carry to ELEVATE their performance to new HEIGHTS.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

Xueyi and Seele: I guess that's why they are still good in their respective modes (Xueyi in AS and Seele in PF) without mono quantum needed 😆 The have that height buff

[@agentEE233]

Mini quantum si definitely one of the team comps of all time, QQ can still force her way through enemies

[@PlatinumKrown]

Jade

[@Ionic_Glace]

​@@ladyhdwastaken Like how you mention Seele being good in PF instead of - idk - Jade, a Quantum Erudition that literally swept PF as a whole. Plus with the new AS, Jade on second half is an absolute shredder.

[@hollow.shadow]

The moment Mihoyo decided to give DPS units built-in weakness implants like Firefly, mono quantum already lost its edge. Mono quantum really needs a better DPS than can take full advantage Sparkle and make Fu Xuan more favored. Lingsha and Aventurine are better than Fu Xuan currently because they are sustains with desirable niches (Break and FUA). Sparkle could've been as good as Robin and Ruan Mei if Mihoyo cared to make a good Quantum DPS in 2024.

[@MyriadCelestia]

@oppa5346 You stated the need yourself, they needed to release Robin and Sunday, and Sparkle took the hit.

[@bunnys9704]

I feel like the entire elemental toughness mechanic is shooting themselves in the foot. They made the entire game revolve around bringing units of specific elements to counter specific toughness types, but then they realise that it severely limits the uses of any gives unit. So now 50% of the units that come out just ingore this mechanic entirely and deal toughness damage regardless. Like, why have the mechanic in the first place if youre just gonna make units ignore it.

[@melopilled]

​@@bunnys9704 we've seen this w/ silverwolf. they're definitely gonna find a way to work around it nonetheless lol

[@ladyhdwastaken]

They are break DPS so of course they can implant their own weakness. They had to make Firefly as braindead as possible to play, after all. That's still only two DPS with weakness implant. Firefly's benefits her team, and we all know HMC is carrying Firefly's weight so hard. Boothill is different since his benefits himself alone (stacks for pocket trickshot) and it's tied to his ult and has *some* utility of pushing the enemy back on the action order. Bronie (SW) is still the best single target def shred/res shred unit in the game. People acting like "oh she's obsolete because mono qt is obsolete" is silly. I use Seele only in PF and she doesn't need mono QT there (and SW sucks in PF anyway). QQ I use on quantum weak floors of MOC (when they exist) and Sparkle is basically mandatory since RIP my skill points otherwise :') I think that scenario with QQ is the only time it's relevant now. Even Xueyi doesn't need mono QT.

[@AzureDrag0n1]

They basically need a new quantum dps with some broken mechanic. Seele and QQ are outdated 1.0 dps characters. They do not have the crazy multipliers of modern dps. Something like gaining 50% damage bonus per every quantum stack on an enemy so you get 250% damage bonus at full stacks. Personally though I hope they reign in the power creep. It is too much. At this rate we will have 3.0 supports that do normal attacks that outdps Fexiao in her best team. We already have supports that do a million damage per cycle. I did not expect that something like that would happen were even the older dedicated dps characters could not compete with supports in dps.

[@MakoShiruba]

Ice simply could borrow mechanics from Remembrance path in Simulated Universe, where being Frozen puts you in "Dissociation". The status works just like Freeze does, except there are mechanics that: Increase Damage dealt to those enemies while Frozen, Makes sure Critical Hits always land on those targets, Ignores Freeze resistance, Removal of the Mechanic by Player's action deals extra damage. The mechanic is there and almost all of these ideas could be decent blueprint for it to work. We don't even need a new path for it, too. Trailblazer has Super Break despite the fact Break is a Stat mostly conditioned to Nihility in SU.

[@mirageknight8070]

About the new path, leaks suggest otherwise 💀

[@nyes4596]

​@@mirageknight8070 What new path

[@MakoShiruba]

@@nyes4596 Remembrance might come. It’s the most “Complete” Alternate Job/Path that might come. They have talked about also Propagation, but that’s way later down the line. Remembrance will be tested on TB new form in 3.x, a DPS who inflicts Action Order disruption(Dissociation?)

[@mirageknight8070]

@@MakoShiruba a slow meta? It might work for summons though if you think about it.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

@@MakoShirubaThe theory accuracy if they gave that path to Marchie instead of trailblazer :(

[@IshimurA99]

Mono quantum used to be a team I used a lot until they started getting weaker with each version :( This makes me feel sorry for this team, hoping that in the future we will have a new DPS for Quantum

[@Airitzu]

Oh definitely. Entangled is an untouched mechanic, so there’s definitely gonna be a character focused on that.

[@rhiel1728]

I'm gonna wait for that but for the time being I need Acheron for SU farming

[@ladyhdwastaken]

@@rhiel1728 you are so valid for this

[@noice9193]

mono quantum didn’t get weaker the enemies just got way stronger and tanker while mono quantum itself never got any supports to help them out and stay relevant. Most of the mono quantum dps character kits are out of date now and weaker than our current dps characters. Also moc is heavily break focused right now and the follow up teams are very strong

[@Agniox]

I think Freeze would be more interesting if it was added into the DoT archetype. DoT typically wants enemies to move fast to get more procs but the problem is it would also make enemies pose more threat to the team as they will deal damage faster. Freeze fixes all that. It cancels enemy turns while pushing their next turn forward. It just needs an effect where it would extend the duration of debuffs so the accelerated turns wouldn't burn through the team's debuffs. It also fits well with DoT since they love getting more Effect Hit Rate. Maybe Freeze could also make DoTs crit if need be. Sure there would be balance issues with it but maybe they can just make a debuff that does all of the above and Freeze is only the cherry on top that is not 100% guaranteed every turn.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

Unironically, Misha sustain stonks could rise. He does have an eidolon where there's def shred on his ult too.

[@remwastaken]

i feel like they shot themselves in the foot with DoT by having only Lightning, fire, phys and wind be DoT types. Now, they could add more but then stuff like BS's E1 would lose a lot of value, though i guess that's not too big of a problem cause you'd probalby not want to use triple DoT and kafka should be a mainstay in DoT teams unless they literally just make kafka pro max, so your DoT team would be Kafka, DoT DPS, DoT support, DoT sustain (praying for the last one the most honestly.) LEAK TALK AHEAD Unrelated, if they powercreep kafka i'mma be mad, i'm not asking for her to be meta for the remainder of the game but please don't let her become the DoT's equivalent of SW, not for a bit, we haven't had any time to use her either as DoT has only been sorta alive since black swan, it's already getting fucked and 3.x will be summon meta. we do have a sus leak of a quantum DoT healer (which sounds insane to me but whatever, could just say fuck it make it count as bleed or some shit.) and 3 new 5* Nihility units in the beginning of 3.X, so i have hope.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

Hoyo: Here's Sparkle, we gave her a trace for mono quantum teams. released in penacony btw Hoyo: Here's Black Swan. She's a DOT unit and she's really strong. Released in Penacony btw Black Swan and Sparkle: Busted units struggling for air right now because also Hoyo: ha ha follow up attack and break meta ha ha ha ha Also in Penacony :)

[@settheray2jerry1]

Qingque is my favorite character in the game. I’ll never let her go

[@flippedmasterguardian]

I just went back to building this team again yesterday! It's going to be so much fun to shred everything now that I have SW's energy lightcone. Kinda wish I had Fuxuan instead of Lynx but we've got a lot of offensive support sets now.

[@CrazyChillDog]

I love so much because I relate so much, in regards to my attitude towards a job.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

QQ is an absolute gem. I love her as well and every time I get a new QQ eidolon I go on a little gamba run with her in MOC ❤

[@jmcMateo]

@@ladyhdwastakenima build her more when I get more eidolons for her

[@KaIiTheRedMist]

Glad to see people here loves Qingque.

[@armadyleanarchon4754]

TL;DW A year old Meta team of year old units is not as good as todays units. And the game is actively pushing towards multiple metas for better choice.

[@davidjohansson4556]

Arent you just a bundle of joy

[@armadyleanarchon4754]

@@davidjohansson4556 I am in fact. I can play any team style i want and still clear all content in the game. Cause the Devs have worked hard to make good synergistic teams available.

[@throwaway4533]

​@@armadyleanarchon4754Lovely, glad you're having fun👍

[@qaztim11]

To hop onto the freeze debate, I think freeze could have a place in the meta, but not in break teams, it would be great for DoT teams. Imagine an ice character like black-swan, where frozen enemies "explode" like arcana dealing toughness damage, apply a dot damage amplification(something like dissasociation), and has a higher chance to freeze broken enemies.

[@tenkosverse]

QINGQUE MENTIONED!!!!!!

[@OverlordMango]

I still think that weakness implant of damage dealers to be a horrible idea. It's just bad if you want the game to have sustainable meta. We could've had a number of supports having these niches instead. Fire weakness implant on Jiaoqiu seems nice instead of Firefly. Fits his poisoner theme as well.

[@selenastar]

​@Undead_Grius i think you missed how super break works. They can already be broken to deal super break.

[@masterplusmargarita]

This just kills Break as an archetype. If they can't break by themselves they become basically useless unless the boss is weak to their specific element, and completely useless in AoE scenarios. The only reason Rappa isn't massively held back (and to be clear she IS held back, just not massively) by this is that she has Weakness Break by any other name, and is designed for PF where toughness bars are smaller. Putting the implant on another unit is just not fun. Now, if you pull for Firefly on her initial banner, she's going to be garbage for a patch and a half before JQ comes around. You didn't pull FF because you had no way of knowing she'd become useable in 3 months? Have fun not being able to participate in the Break meta. Now if you want you can pull for JQ and wait 6 months for a FF rerun. The one way this'd be acceptable is to put the Weakness Implant on a character like Harmblazer or March Hunt who everyone gets for free.

[@OverlordMango]

@@masterplusmargarita You're putting reality into theoretical situations. If someone like JQ did get AoE weakness implant, he would be released right next to Firefly, and can even be before her. Also, it's entirely possible we would get 4* equivalents, and be put together with corresponding 5* banners. Hoyoverse just doesn't make them. DPS not being able to function without proper support is an entirely normal situation in the gaming landscape. Weakness implant superbreak has a really high ceiling for being almost universal.

[@Skasaha_]

Good discussion on the flaws of these earlier archetypes, however I think it might have been worth going over the 'Propagation' (basic attack/skill point spam) archetype as well since one of the two main mono quantum teams is also part of that together with Dan Heng IL - and it has also fallen off since Sparkle was the only direct support they ever received.

[@floofzykitty5072]

One thing that wasn't mentioned about elements that inflict a Crowd Control debuff on break like Ice and Quantum: Practically every boss now has something called "Control Effects Resistance". It is a THIRD resistance on top of Effect Res and Debuff Res and the way it works is that if the Crowd Control effect gets through the other two, there is a flat chance that cannot be changed by Effect Hit Rate that the debuff will simply not apply. If you look up the Debuff application formula now, you will see that Crowd Effects Resistance is completely separate from the formula. This means that Entanglement will NEVER be consistent because there is always a 20-30% chance the Entanglement is just blocked for being classed as a Control Effect.

[@lancertheimaginary8462]

I believe mono quantum team would be back if they released a 5* quantum destruction or nihility that can reduce the toughness bar of enemies regardless of weakness and can also take full advantage of sparkle's buffs.

[@HSiKboutLife]

I mean e6 xueyi's pretty good at that too imo, tho shes not 5* :]

[@Disappointed_Rover]

Isn't that just Xueyi ? But you need spoon with lot of break effect on her relics .

[@Darkclowd]

We need Silver Wolf that can select the implant element and apply it AoE. If you hate break dps, then make it so the implant doesn't worm if any parry member has over 150% Break Effect.

[@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters]

Then you'll need a new support to replace Silver Wolf, who will be useless in that team. I think they'll instead make an entire new team that replaces every Quantum character we have now. They are all made for single target, except Fu Xuan, but she's feeling a bit outdated already.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

@@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters Seele is single target since when? She's a closet erudition unit. QQ is a closet destruction unit. SW is the only one who is pure single target and regardless of eidolons will always be pure single target. And single target isn't even bad... Boothill IMO is better than Firefly by a long shot (he requires a brain to play though so RIP auto players) and he is purely single target. He only struggles in pure fiction which is not even a mode made for single target so who the hell cares

[@ChenAnPin]

I remember cheesing through Simulated Universe with the Remembrance Path and using March 7th (Ice) and having her Ult Freeze enemies endlessly.

[@andrealcenenrico3751]

its not just mono team comp that has been falling off, but the whole standard hyper carry DPS comp, they need to release a tool(Support unit) that can help older units shine again while being consistent regardless of the enemy types or weakness, my idea is stacking damage that can detonate that scales with the raw damage, and for Aoe, 50% of the whole Aoe damage that will detonate on a single enemy or buff allies to enable super crits that does double your crit stats

[@HSiKboutLife]

Ive been getting a Lot of mileage out of my all-Fire team (Jiaoqiu, Gallagher, Himeko, Asta (asta also using penacony planar ornaments for extra type dmg)). Jiaoqiu add increased dmg to all enemies on hit, and his debuff works as a Burn for Himeko's extra dmg. Gallagher keeps everyone alive while also potentially doing break dmg and skill point building. Asta buffs everyone on the team with increased type dmg and speed is always nice to have. Himeko implants more burn, does more dmg with the burn everyone else does, and has good followup and aoe ult. Used them to defeat Sunday and Doom guy Echos earlier, which is hella convenient. :D Also i sincerely hope they give us an ice abundance character soon so i can have all paths of ice! Thanks for the video! I never think about things as deeply or numerically as u do, but its fun to learn about thru ur videos :D

[@freddyshams1787]

As someone who still uses mono quantum and clear all content. I have to agree mono quantum isn't as good as it used to be so i wouldnt recommend it to new players. BUT heck i love it and it still works for AS and MOC.

[@Pachirisu2024]

Still using Mono quantum In every Single MoC They will never get rid of my favorite team

[@dustinabigan2776]

Mono Quantum got surpassed because over time there was not much incentive to group units of the same type in one team. It makes more sense to group units based on how well they work with each other, which is not always something you can achieve if you want a mono-element team. And in those situations there's no incentive to ignore those benefits (from not doing mono-element and grouping based on synergy) because there's no buffs to make up for ignoring them. I think the only shot Mono-Quantum and other mono-element teams have would be if something like elemental resonance in Genshin gets introduced where certain buffs are given if you have a certain number of a specific element/type in the team. But that also introduces its own headaches such as how to ensure this doesn't unintentionally buff other teams such that the bar just gets set even higher. And even then it doesn't address how units of the same element/type need to synergize to some degree (like Ganyu and Ayaka or Bennett and Xiangling) and not just be grouped for the sake of making a mono-element team.

[@Afrohawk512]

I feel like there's not enough of a conversation on the rise of Mono Quantum and what made it so interesting, especially with Qingque specifically. - Simulated Universe got a huge update with the Swarm Disaster and with it came Propagation, a path made for her and DHIL. It helped that the swarm enemies were weak to Quantum while the normal enemies and bosses could be weakness implanted by Silver Wolf to make that team's sailing much smoother. -- Propagation unlocking at the end also meant normal SU runs were much easier for that team, helping with the planar ornament grind - Qingque's tile drawing counted as "taking an action", meaning certain blessing that triggered for consecutive actions applied to her. This also charged special abilities like path resonance and boss special attacks, giving her a unique benefit for having bad luck on tile drawing - Before Sparkle, there were good options as other supports. Tingyun and Pela were great buffers / debuffers and skill point generators, especially if you were running into enemies with their respective elements. The weekly bosses all had elements that could work well with a psuedo-quantum team until Sparkle's addition That said, while I know a lot of more recent teams all feed into each other (especially FuA and Break), I personally think that's less on Mono Quantum and more on a departure from the Hypercarry team. Nowadays, there are strong DPS comps with good sub DPS that also act as buffers and healers that all feed into each other. The follow-up team is so fluid that it's crazy to think that there used to be units that were mostly used as skill point generators like Luocha. I feel like this game is going the way of making all of its units do damage and that's really the only way to make old teams work. The Mono Quantum supports weren't built for this new meta and I feel the only way it would ever succeed in the future is with entirely new units.

[@reenom2824]

The only debuff that can help ice freeze team, disociation And more broken if you can constantly "pop" the disociation debuff like rememberance blessing

[@AssassinKillswitch]

Yes! I said the same thing on my comment. They only used the debuff once in moc so people might’ve forgotten

[@reenom2824]

@@AssassinKillswitch yeah, ikr, disociation debuff are broken af 😂

[@whydoistillusethissite8626]

2:17 "and then we got Aventurine, Robin and Feixiao" I love how as each of their portraits showed up on the screen, Jing Yuan's began to get pushed off it

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

Mono quantum. Still use it.

[@windbending]

If a future character could apply the "disassociation" debuff when the enemies are frozen maybe ice type would be saved

[@tiltltt]

ice nihility that implants a deep freeze debuff, that decreases freeze and ice resist by a lot, gives a special debuff that increases damage when freeze is applied on already frozen characters and applies exo toughness, freezing for one more turn and thus mono ice is born with teams that don't necessarily require a sustain or ice weakness if enough characters can apply freeze

[@poemonf]

I STILL USE MONO QUANTUM TO THIS DAY, FOR I AM A BELIEVER IN THE QUANTUM ELEMENT.

[@STWD1ST]

Man I swear I love your thumbnails lmao. It's so adorable and hilarious

[@angelsigils7919]

Woah, I came early. Hope you and all are having a good day :)

[@AdroSlice]

To fix MonoQ there's a couple approaches really. I think new characters are one of the worst ones though, because that inherently means replacing the characters you used to love instead of making them specifically viable again. The DPS quantum set is already pretty strong as well, so the best way is probably to add a support set specifically on quantum units, for quantum units. Perhaps it could even have its own exponential stacking, the effect being multiplied by 2^n lim n=3, where n = the number of characters using the set

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

Hanabi wants to carry a slow quantum high damage dps that waste a lot of Skill points. Silverwolf debuff is single target and she is also slow to get her ultimate. Doesn't do any damage to contribuite to the team when she doesn't have her ultimate. Fu Xuan is also slow and do absolute nothing besides tanking and generating Skill points. Slow dps are always destruction looking at all the character he got. So Silverwolf's debuff have no synergy

[@stannumowl]

​@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Fu Xuan is arguably the strongest sustainability provider + give some crit rate buff. Silver wolf was fine before DPS characters started applying their weaknesses themselves. And we have Seele and Qingque as DPS options. Both are 1.0 DPS who can't catch up the newer colleagues. Some kind of glass cannon character can return live to the concept but I don't think hoyo will do that

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

@stannumowl Fu Xuan is not the best sustain because can't regen fast the ally that received 1 target damage from a Boss like Gallagher's pet. And she loses 40% ~ 70% of her max against powerfull AoE attacks from bosses ou multiple strong elites that can't be broken easily. Aventurine lacks against single target but stills much better than Fu Xuan, and doesn't need to get his ultimate to heal more the allies and recharge her own healing which sucks because Fu is too slow to recharge that ultimate decent. She can sustain with E0S1 but E0S0 Fu Xuan is just a Time Limited sustain, you gonna die one time, there's no salvation then you need to kill fast the enemies or use Ruan Mei to entend the break state or putting slow and delay

[@stannumowl]

@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 her s1 is not so important (personal experience). Gepard's lightcone works just slightly worse. I don't have Aventurine to compare but what I know for sure is that Fu Xuan is the only sustain unit on my account who didn't have an issue to keep team alive anywhere except max difficulty SU. And this is taking into account Lingsha, Bailu, Gallagher, Gepard and 4 star units

[@iciarsoto8860]

I know this is kinda niche but Gepard with one of his eilodons plus his signature ligthcone is (I think) one of the most realiable freeze appliers on the game. I am a ftp but I somehow ended up with E5 Geppy and his ligthcone. I wish I had more opportunities to use him, I've grown quite attach to the character.

[@rlm5911]

One of the most reliable freezers is M7 with enough speed and Effect hit rate, she could perma with every ult(this is specially good in overflow energy scenarios or with enough speed and Eagle set)

[@ladyhdwastaken]

I am an E1S4 Gepard haver 😆Yeah, I liked running him or March 7th with DOT because of their freeze reliability but Hoyo said "lol freeze res everywhere" and there goes my fun

[@hoangnguyen0721]

Well,by coincident or by design we are very close to a mono fire team centered around super break Firefly built on fire implant enables the team which Lingsha/Gallagher as sustain and the upcoming Fugr being the super break enabler If Fugue gives Weakness break efficiency then you can technically also remove ruan mei for someone like Asta for example

[@oyfum2638]

Mono quantum is not a real archetype, it’s just Seele or Qinque hypercarry lol, which def has better options now as Silverwolf has unfortunately been eclipsed by current options.

[@PsyduckLovesMango]

sadly every 5* dps since 2.0 has the ability of breaking every enemy

[@ladyhdwastaken]

When people realize that "implant weakness" is literally two words in the big ass paragraph that is her skill's description.

[@Yugira]

You should make more videos. I get that you probably have other things going on in your life, but youre one of the few content creators in this space that doesnt go around making ragebait content, or feel the need to apeal to the livestream community by making unfunny or cringeworthy jokes. Please make more content 🙏

[@AssassinKillswitch]

Good video! Maybe instead of just freeze they should make a character focused on dissociation. It was one of the moc buffs when jingliu came out. Also the type buffing passives can still work design wise. The obvious example is Acheron’s trace wanting two nihility to maximize her damage. Zenless does the same thing with all their characters. Maybe in sparkle’s case, she provides a lot of utility already so the same type buff makes you not miss out as much.

[@gimbo4025]

i think it’d be really cool to see a character that can apply dissociation. maybe an emanator of remembrance? ive always thought that mono teams were a cool idea so i’d love to see some more characters that use the concept to their benefit

[@Silver_Scepter]

I think the moment we get a good quantum destruction character is the moment mono quantum will be on the map again. It definitely wouldn't ever be meta defining but I could definitely see the possibility of it being a good off meta comp

[@tyshen0329]

ah yes, silver wolf aka the biggest HSR scam where everyone thought she was THE kazuha of HSR only to have her kits being built-in on more than half of the damage units in the 2.0 era. This basically ends the possibilities of other mono-elements as well.

[@animesquish4314]

Two teams I use to beat both MOC and Apocalyptic Shadow are 1) Follow-Up Team. Built with lots of speed in mind, overwhelm the opponent with tons of follow-up attacks and reduce their HP by half or more before they can get a turn; 2) Super-Break Team. Very easy to build as it needs no CRITs, but does TONS of damage. Mono-quantum was great in 1.x, but not any more.

[@Disappointed_Rover]

Devs definitely make Quantum destruction 5 star soon . But I hope her kits is not same as Xueyi . Also Lynx isn't good in Mono Quantum team . No Quantum characters want her aggro weight from her skill . So she is too relay on ultimate to heal . It will be good if there another DPS that is like Yunli counter Poor me not enough tickets to get Fu Xuan .

[@theangryepicbanana]

I quite like xueyi's kit though? it's pretty good against swarm boss

[@Disappointed_Rover]

​@@theangryepicbanana Indeed . I just edit my comment .

[@generalsaverngild]

Dissociation Super Break... we desperately want. Would honestly be a cool design.

[@SeaweedAK]

Probably add something like activating quantum entanglement damage immediately everytime the enemy getting attacked

[@hihas]

jingliu, pela, ruan mei, gepard/march? technically a team, sort of, somewhat, maybe would work (yangqinq can be replace jingliu if someone doesn't have her, or misha for area damage)

[@thehotwindblowing]

I agree. There's some occasional hints at some kind of mono type team thing with Planetary Rendesvouz and assorted support traces, but I think it's overall healthier for the game not to have actual monotype teams be a thing. It is kinda funny to look back in hindsight when Silverwolf was hyped as the "Kazuha of Star Rail" and that no account would be complete without her. I can't really blame everyone back then for buying into the Mono Quantum hype though, sometimes you just can't predict what 'fundamental rules' Hoyo would 'break' - in this case releasing like 3-4 five star DPS characters in a row that either implant or ignore weakness typing. EDIT: Forgot about the weighted curio as recently as DU that basically screams "Yeah, remember Mono Quantum?"

[@joshsolders5543]

I'll be honest, they can't just ignore like half of the elements, at least making them feel like an element. DoT has some feeling of being an element since their element relates to their DoTs. But the other elemental debuffs deserve to be focused on too. Sure, element relates to breaking weakness so its not completely irrelevant outside DoT, but we have like an Imaginary set that synergizes with Entanglement. Honestly, they just need to reduce the effects of slows some if they want to avoid permafreeze, or just say after a freeze occurs and they get put back on the bar that they then can't be frozen until they take a turn. Certain teams and units can pretty much one shot a lot of bosses at this point. So having bosses be controlled a bit isn't that absurd.

[@Zenith_0426]

In my opinion, the mono quantum team has failed because it lacks versatility. The only character dealing damage is Seele or Qingque, while newer teams, like Dr. Ratio's FUA team and Firefly's break effect team, have all members contributing significant or even massive damage to enemies. The more damage you can deal, the better, especially since new modes and enemies have much higher HP and tougher standards than before.

[@qqmaining]

OMG MINI QUANTUM MENTIONED!! I LOVE MY GIRLIES!!!

[@PlatinumKrown]

My rendition of mono quantum is: Xueyi / Seele as the main dps, Jade as sub, Sparkle to buff, and Fu Xuan for sustain. Granted this team really only works against bosses that are already quantum weak, but it works very well on the red bug boss. I could swap Jade for SW but then there isn't really a good aoe option anymore. I still haven't built my QQ btw.

[@OsaZen992]

I still think they could make a mono element support if you think of it more like how mono teams usually are in Genshin instead of a pure mono-element team. For those that don't know, in Genshin teams are usually called mono-x if they have 3 characters of the same element + one character from another element that can help the rest of the team, usually this has been done with Kazuha for his damage boost and resistance shred, sometimes Zhongli for his shielding and lower resistance shred, and now probably Xilonen too for her damage boost and resistance shred. In HSR they could have a harmony or nihility character that increases damage significantly if 3 characters on the team use the same element. This could be restricted by only working against enemies weak to that element, so that it wouldn't be too versatile. They could even be a sustain character, because preservation and abundance characters have become less of pure sustain characters and more half sustainers, half something else. Depending on how the specifics of this type of character works, I feel like this could make mono-teams designed to counter enemies with specific weaknesses. If the buff was a damage boost it could also stop the DPS characters we have now that implant weaknesses from taking too much advantage of it, because Boothill and Firefly don't benefit that much from DMG% buffs. And at least for now, most of the elements don't have a super great 3 character core that works well together, except for quantum with Seele/ Qingque, Silver Wolf, Sparkle, and Fu Xuan/ Lynx, where one of the supports could be switched out for this mono-buff character. Depending on the rest of this theoretical character's kit and their element, they could make some other elements have a 3 character core.

[@ursulcx299]

i wish we had more viable archetypes and that the buffs from the various endgame activities (SU, PF, MoC, AS) made those other archetype viable. I think as a new player what hurts diversity the most is the lack of access to good defence units. If you werent around for aventurine and skipped Fu xuan you end up facing challenges that expect you to survive a lot so if your janky comp unable to quickly push huge dps is going to struggle

[@GabPR30]

It could be argued that Mono Quantum has added potential dual synergy of high skill point usage. Seele and Qinqe use a lot of skill points and Fu Xuan/SW/Sparkle are highly SP positive (and sparkle gives extra damage per SP usage) If a new Quantum dps that uses a lot of SP comes out, it could scale into a complete beast.

[@chadchad2263]

Despite how far it's left behind, monoquantum isn't completely useless as long as they have SW. Also, anything that utilize heavy SP consumption (like against SAM) or single basic attack DPS is still open to possibility in the future like how relevant propagation is in SU. Perhaps not necessarily a quantum Imbibitor Lunae.

[@yanyanyannn_]

i regret getting silver wolf a lot bc i thought she could help me with my lack of elements at the time by changing the weakness when i got her i realized how limited she actually was shes kinda sitting abandoned at the moment shes the FIRST character i regret not even regretting jingyuan but even he is getting a buff soon making him even more useful

[@powwowken2760]

I could see a Support who turned Frozen into the Dissociation effect from sim-U giving Ice types a boost... At least a bit. Onto the main point, honestly I think the only reason Mono Quantum got as far as it did was because of how bonkers the Quantum set was/is. Once other units started getting a remotely comparable set to use it was inevitable that Mono-Quantum would fall and fall hard.

[@306CynthiaIII]

The title is amazing, at first I thought they meant it's a good team comp, and later realise they actually meant the team comp is literally dead

[@VForceWave]

Why is mono quantum on the thumbnail instead of DOT?

[@BradleytheDavis]

The difference between SW's weakness implant and the implant of break DPS's like Firefly and Boothill is that SW additionally shreds enemy resistance to the implanted element. FF and Boot have it for the purpose of toughness reduction. They would be significantly less usable without it, as you say. Silver Wolf's weakness implant serves the purpose of allowing any DPS's to be viable against all enemies regardless of element. She is incredibly versatle and powerful regardless of Break teams not needing her. Mono-Quantum itself is still one of the most fun teams to play (and a personal fave of mine). Hanabi is the lynchpin of the team, and when she was released the team was complete. Her best team is still Mono-Quantum, even in spite of working well with so many other DPS. The team is not as relevant right now simply due to the game's current focus on modes that favor Break and Follow Up teams. Crit/Ult focused teams will always be reliable outisde of content where its specifically set up to favor Break/FuA. A good example being Simulated Universe's many modes.

[@funifamilyguymoments]

As someone who still like using Mono Quantum, basically you have a lot of Def Shread because of the set and enemies always is weak to you, Free Crit-Rates because of Fuxuan (And specially if you have Sparkle LC), and amazingly high Crit-DMG because of Sparkle. If you have E1 Fuxuan it gets even better... I think Mono-Quantum is a time-bomb comp, we just need a last character to fit in place of Qingque and it'll be meta AF (DanHeng IL would be so much better as a Quantum character 😢)

[@NOTjoutazuna]

Makes me sad that it's only a year in and i barely ever use qingque again as she is my first dps... But ik i'm gonna be pulling the moment they come out with a character that plays around entangled, it has so much potential

[@lyteupthelyfe5573]

4:48 i genuinely got jumpscared because this is the exact team comp (and team order) i used to beat that exact Aventuring AS lmao

[@devotedhoshiyomi]

I have built full super break team, but mono quantum is still my main team since I started. It definitely isn't as good as, you know, *full premium modern 5★ teams,* but it's still very good and clears MoC/AS just fine. I don't care at all about a new quantum DPS though, because Qingque is my favorite character and the whole team is for her. My best bet is another support to capitalize on already quantum weak enemies, instead of using Silver Wolf to force the team anywhere.

[@Nagassh]

Can't say I agree with the claim that there's no inherent synergy between mono quantum when one of the biggest weaknesses of QQ was how SP hungry she was and Sparkle added an absurd amount of SP generation and increased damage based on that - it's a tailor made support just as much as Black Swan is, even if it has more universal application. The teams problem isn't particularly deep - it's just using early characters that have been powercrept and the character that had the most synergy gained from the mono quantum pushing support was a 4 star.

[@MilkyGlint]

I guess Mono quantum needs a better 5* dps. Takes advantage of Sparkles buffs, maybe do more damage when theres debuffs so Silver wolf feels valued more outside of weakness implant. Maybe unleash a blast follow up on weakness break or explodes entanglement faster and makes it stronger or something so they feel unique compared to superbreak, like they have a break ability but they're closer to a regular dps or something

[@BansheeHallow]

Video: Ice is bad in Star Rail Genshin: First time?

[@miles5905]

i still remember in 1.3-4 being sad about not getting silverwolf (Lost 50/50) Now even dan heng survived longer than seele

[@Zafaruss]

As someone who only used mono quantum… I fully forgot it existed

[@Kuddochan]

There are a couple issues this comp has I think. 1) 2.x has just power crept old dps characters and Seele and QQ just can't output the same numbers, and 2) we've entered an era where dps characters are just applying their own elemental weaknesses or ignoring weakness types, making Silver Wolf's old utility rather unimpressive in comparison. It's a bit sad because Qingque is still my favorite character in this game but it's gotten a lot harder to justify using her.

[@kanicunny]

I started playing around 2.0 because i want sparkle and want to build mono quantum, but as the game progresses i don't think saving for a 2nd silverwolf rerun is worth anymore. The game just caters towards break and FuA and nothing else, any other team comp will have bruteforce it. I really hate the fact that MoC just skyrockets in boss HP scaling too fast and the buff they provide are so specific, if you wanna low cycle something, you have to use the intended playstyle/ have high eidolons to bruteforce it.

[@nicholasnguyen2594]

Idea of an ice nihility that applies freeze and is a dot support Basic-deals ice damage to single target Skill-blast- freezes enemies with 65% effect hit rate and advances enemies forward by 50%. Skill also applies frostbite to enemies which pauses debuff duration (except itself) and deals damage on enemy turn( counts as dot) Ult-applies freeze to enemies and advances enemies forward by 50% Ult applies frostburn which records all damage before an enemy takes a turn and duplicates 25% of recorded damage on enemies turn lasts for 3 turns not affected by frost bites pause also counts as dot. Talent immobilized enemies take 50% more damage Trace 1 enemies affected enemies take atk% dmg from allies Trace 2 ehr into dmg bonus Trace 3 on enemies turn dmg dealt by allies gain 20% res pen This is a half baked idea sorry

[@digi-stranger0234]

At this point to fix a hp support for blade that doesn’t give the 4 star a huge boost even tho he needs it. It’s to just let the characters get buffs from how many times they can take hp away from themselves or others. The faster they take hp from themselves or others they get a stack/buff/boost to increase damage

[@ferrankina6989]

I sincerely think monofire has potential. rn i just need to get the core piece: Firefly but the compo has: sustain+ break: Gallager implant: firefly buff to fire: Asta, Yaoqiu detonate burn: Guinaifen def reduction: yaoqiu, gui easy break with multi hit: Asta.

[@CrazyChillDog]

Gremlin team let's go!!!! I cheer for QQ every single day!!

[@ghostly_elly]

built mono quantum just because i fucking love qingque and silver wolf and then got really confused when they became my meta pick and now qingque is sitting on the shelf

[@yuisis5929]

I miss this team, I wished I played it more when it was current. I also really liked the "mono" physical team that was a little popular, Clara, Natasha, Sushang and Silver Wolf. Had a blast with that one. Newer teams feel like [Insert new carry] - Harmony TB - Ruan Mei - Gallagher/Lingsha, that's it, jobs done and it's just kinda boring. Talking of Silver Wolf, does anyone else feel a little baited/tricked by the devs with her? When she came out I thought she'd be the universally strong support, kinda like Kazuha of HSR but my girl fell off SO hard. My favourite character 😭

[@oscara8454]

I remember everyone in 1.0 was talking about how Mono Quantum would rule the game until EoS. Lol.

[@Yuji_Kaisen]

I only need Fu Xuan and Silver Wolf to complete my Mono quantum 4ft 11 team

[@rivaldocasallo237]

Not related, but the possibility of mono fire is in the horizon, not only because Firefly implants solely fire weakness in the same fashion as silverwolf (sp negative) but she is the hypercarry.

[@tamamoaddict]

Honestly, all they need to do is somehow implement "Dissociation" into the game outside of the SU.

[@Scorpio9580]

I think you forgot that break teams exist. The firefly team actively strives to be mono. Having more characters that are fire allows for faster breaking of toughness bars. And this works great because of weakness implant. The future of mono is break teams.

[@davidjohansson4556]

I cant really see firefly doing a mono team? besides lingsha and gallagher there arent really any characters you can replace HTB or ruanmei with?

[@gruiaolaru511]

​@@davidjohansson4556 Fugue will fill that role

[@itrmission8420]

I think mono types could really shine in sim universe if they decided to add an order path or something

[@gustavobarcos5657]

Mono quantum really carried me in the early days, I wanted Fu Xuan but lost the chance. Nowadays I'm saving on Aventurine, having all my quantum units benches sadly.

[@dontthrow6064]

4:10 let's not forget the increased toughness reduction

[@kingky9600]

Direct buffs are a great idea change my mind

[@kinohara8635]

Mono Imaginary Break can be a thing now thanks to Rappa and HMC.

[@milanesadearsenico]

Waiting for a new buffer so we can have mono-fire = Firefly, Fugue, Lingsha + fire harmony we pray

[@sakaly82]

I still use my shorties' mono quantum team in MoC and AS and they're still pretty good, but sadly, it's clear that newer characters are objectively stronger

[@whisper3856]

I think mono quantum is good, it just needs more love. I think at a minimum it needs a new character, most likely a 5* destruction. The elements are there, they just need something (someone) to tie it together.

[@persephone_depressed]

only thing we need for mono teams are a brand new relic set that encourages it. like "if there are 3 teammates that shares the same element with the wearer, wearer gains some debuffs" kind of relic set. and it MUST surpass the quantum set. like it should give crit atk or element damage AND def ignore (preferably a bit higher value than quantum set) because releasing new characters to fix something is not cool, its overused and boring...

[@bribriibribrii]

not me having E6 QQ max traces, E2 Sparkle max traces, E1 Fu Xuan Max traces and e0 sw max traces 💀

[@remwastaken]

the problem with mono quantum is that it isn't an actual archetype the devs intented for, i believe. At best it was an afterthought of SW's skill mechanics, a "lol what if a player runs all quantum". The only way they "fix" mono quantum is by releasing better quantum units because they don't care for it to be an actual archetype like break or FUA. It's inevitable and i doubt they care to do anything about it.

[@kyuven]

Freeze is something with a painful design space because you cant make it too powerful. You can actually see how much hoyo is struggling to balance it in their 3 big games. ZZZ just straight up made freezing more like genshin's shatter interaction except with all weapons causing it instead of just 1. Its also less practical than other elements simply because dealing damage is usually preferable to stopping an enemy for a second and THEN dealing damage.

[@melopilled]

i mean who really believed mono quantum was gonna be future-proof? no one's stupid enough like that right? 😭

[@oi_bruv]

I'm who, I'm no one 🥺

[@riam850]

I don't agree with mono quantum lack of synergy. Pretty much every character is a piece of the puzzle: - Fu Xuan is unlikable sustain that block crowd control, provide a crit rate buff and can generate skill points - Sparkle provides more max skill points, grant additional turns to DPS, provide huge crit dmg, dmg% bonus and attack% - Silver Wolf plant weaknesses, reduces enemy weakness res, decreases enemy def and can debuff enemy even with normal attacks while generating skill points and spamming ults - DPS chugs a lot of skill points, attacks often, has a lot of crit. The pieces are here and they match perfectly, the only problem is that classic hypercarry just fall out of fashion due to more specialized teams.

[@x._Bunn-Y_.x]

The reason why Mono-Quantum fell off is bc the units we have rn barely have synergy rn (At least with any of the current quantum DPSes)

[@realcoffee19]

MONO QUANTUM FUCKING MENTIONED! QQ MY GOAT