Rediscovering Aikido Basics: Lost Kokyu Dosa

[@Bryanpjc]

Thank you!!! Your work on this channel is amazing. It is a great gift from you to share this openly with the world.

[@MARIUSVL]

Thank you for kind comment! Much appreciated.

[@esugumshoe]

Thank you for your research and videos.

[@MARIUSVL]

You are welcome James! I take my research very seriously. Very glad that it is beneficial to somebody. I have in mind posting several more of these, whenever i have a chance.

[@gichen007]

@@MARIUSVL It is evident you take your research serious, you attention to detail and your knowledge is apparent.

[@Gieszkanne]

I think its very simular if not the same what is called Aiki Age / Aiki Sage training in Daito Ryu. Its something internal that you cant learn from pictures.

[@MARIUSVL]

You are right, one cannot learn it just from the pictures.

[@VenturaIT]

Yes, that's it. Shown here. In 30 years of Aikikai Aikido I was never told how to do it and this is probably because nobody actally knows how in Aikido. I now believe you can't actually learn Aikido by studying Aikido, you have to study Daito Ryu to learn Aikido. I made a post about this above. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5Xck2l7i7mbn5Y

[@turtle60]

as an aikdosa in Ki aikdio, kokyu dosa is a practice in ki. Let ki flow thru your partner and lead their mind.Obviously there are different styles to do this.

[@ivanjohan51]

Very helpful!! I am also trying to dechipher Osensei Budo manual as a basic before perfecting post war aikido. I think its really important to understand pre war aikido/aikibudo to perfecting Aikido that Osensei create. If you dont mind, please decipher Budo manual Ikkyo to gokkyo since they are the basic teachings. Keep up the good work and i'll be rooting for you!! 1st Dan from Indonesia

[@MARIUSVL]

Ivan Johan, glad you found my work helpful. First of all there is no such thing as prewar and postwar basics, because they are the same. Principles and techniques found in Budo manual are the very same that has been taught after the war. That is the conclusion of my long hard study. I have already made a video exploring Dai Ikkyo technique, please check it out, however i am not planning to do the rest of osae waza techniques anytime soon, though i wished i could, they are wonderful.. i will see how things goes, maybe i will publish some more of other techniques soon, so stay tuned.

[@ChristianoSts]

one have to train deep muscles, pelvic girdle area, and be able to "unify body strenght", and project this to partner's center. the problem is not much in the arms, but how to develop the core, and how to project this power to the arms. the final hand position can change and it produces different results. IMO these techniques werent taught not because of morals of students, but for market reasons. You did a good detailed analysis of the pictures, but you didnt consider that some photos might be wrong on purpose, like the one leaning backwards.

[@user-ws3st7hu2l]

Volume is low...I had to strain to hear you. Otherwise, I enjoyed the content.

[@MARIUSVL]

Sorry, that was not intentional:).

[@VenturaIT]

This has been lost over time... in 30 years in the Aikikai style I never was told how to do it correctly, because I don't think anyone in the Aikikai or Iwama or other styles knows how to do it... I found the answer in a KZbin video by Yoshi Shibata Sensei... he did not learn Aikido, he learned Daito Ryu and now teaches it as Aikido... to understand Kokyu Dosa you have to understand: Aiki Age and Aiki Sage as taught in Daito Ryu, it's not taught in Aikido because the junior uchideshi didn't pay attention or they were never taught it. If you don't get this training and a personal transmission from your teacher directly you will never know how to do it and in my opinion only Tohei got the real Aikido lineage. I think Gozo Shioda got it too, but nobody else. This is why modern Aikikai Aikido has such a bad reputation for not working. If you lean back like Saito and you show and others show then a resistant uke will just push you over backward, that doesn't work if you are on your back, and also that's not what this is about, this is Aiki Age/Aiki Sage training shown here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5Xck2l7i7mbn5Y You can also probably learn it in a real Daito Ryu class if you get deep into it. O-Sensei didn't learn martial arts from books, he learned it directly from the masters. All of these junior students of O-Sensei never got the direct master-level transmission and there is a big deal between the master-level transmission and what the junior level uchideshi learned, even if they took ukemi from O-Sensei they didn't get the full teaching. So Aikido continues to be splintered and only very few, 1 or 2 lineages learned the real Aikido. The Aiki Age/Aiki Sage training is the core of the ki extension and you may realize that a master never teaches all of his knowledge. You have to know how to steal the technique. This is the way O-Sensei and other traditional masters taught. Remember Aikido was not to be shown to people of low moral character and that book was not to be shown to the general public, but the son published it for money later on. But even that book doesn't teach all the techniques. Many of the techniques you can only get by studying Daito Ryu with a really good master. So you can't really learn Aikido by studying Aikido, you can only learn Aikido by studying Daito Ryu. Thanks for the videos.

[@MARIUSVL]

Many things, many techniques had been lost, unfortunately.. What my research clearly indicates is that, there are no one style, no one teacher, who got it all, who knows it all.. Authentic teachings, transmission are scattered amongst many of direct disciples of the Founder, and even if you collect all of their collective experience, the picture would still not be very complete. There was a huge gap between O sensei's development and ability and that of his students. So i don't agree that Tohei's or Shioda's lineage is the only one who really got it all.. Tohei was skilled and respected for sure, and could do internal work, at least to some degree, but has he really got it all from O sensei...Well i Do not think so. And what about R.Shirata, S.Abe M.Hikitsuchi, K. Ueshiba, K.Tomiki, Y. Inoue M. Saito? There had been some great, strong teachers, there are many valuable things to learn from these lineages. Also, agreed, there are some really good teachers in Daito ryu world, it could enrich and deepen aikido training, as it is the main influence on aikido as martial art. Kokyu Dosa is the training of breath power, it is a training method against basic attack scenario of a two hand grab, so it is out of question discussing things like, oh and what if he pushes while you momentary leaning back.. That is not what Kokyu dosa is about!