Best of the Worst: Glenn Danzig's Death Rider in the House of Vampires

[@foywonder6996]

I'm one of the few people who can say they saw Death Rider in an empty movie theater during that tiny theatrical run and can assure it had music, including opening with Danzig himself crooning a western-style metal power ballad. This blu-ray not having that music probably has something to do with why the film vanished for about two years. Now I want to know what that story is because it is almost assuredly more interesting than the movie itself.

[@backlogbuddies]

Could you hear people speak?

[@foywonder6996]

@backlogbuddies I don't recall having any issues hearing the dialogue.

[@joinsideke]

That's weird. Must be a copy right thing, though I don't know why Danzig's own music couldn't be used.

[@DreamwalkerFilms]

This is fascinating. Vote this comment to the top so others can see...

[@TheWolfbat513]

I was thinking it came off as an audio issue rather than a decision. Wonder what the hell happened.

[@mitchdouglas9844]

You know an episodes going to be good when Rich has to cuddle an Enterprise like a baby blankey just to deal with what he's experienced

[@christybrown5384]

It's his comfort starship.

[@scrillasteve4881]

I assumed it was because he lost the last Star Trek trivia

[@christybrown5384]

@@scrillasteve4881 He's hasn't recovered from it. It's a slow healing process.

[@TheRealTerranMarine]

I thought it was in reference to the one TNG episode with the parasite baby that wad latched onto the Enterprise

[@horacepfefferman4015]

Emotional support Enterprise

[@tumssfestival]

Rich hugging the Enterprise like a security blanket is so precious

[@paulkenny105]

It’s like this episode broke rich

[@djtaitai]

A treknerd’s teddy bear 🧸

[@ggggg77273]

Picard and the enterprise crew are in there, trying to get out of Rich's clutches, not realizing they're completely safe in his loving arms.

[@chartreux1532]

Of course Rich is hugging that Enterprise because he had a Premonition of the Story Mike will tell us at 12:38 Somewhere out there at Vasquez Rocks is old petrified Rich Evans Poop

[@JoeZUGOOLA]

It's his security blanket.. booze is Mikes security blanket

[@ssjenforcer191191191]

Jay's edit vs the original is like the difference between day and day for night.

[@ShennyIsLive]

Underrated comment.

[@NoriMori1992]

…What? 😂

[@jasonjayalap]

Release the Jay cut.

[@Lishadra]

@@NoriMori1992day-for-night is a film editing technique where they film in the daytime, but put all kinds of filters on it to make it seem like nighttime. Making it blue and turning down the brightness, for example. It’s really obvious once you know how to spot it, because the shadows in the scene are still obviously daytime shadows, and in general it just *feels* artificial. It’s cheap and easy, and it makes a scene feel cheap and bad. The second part of the joke is the phrase “like night and day” which means “these two things could not be more unalike.

[@thesponge836]

Should have said night and day for night

[@Kit942]

The running gag of Rich breaking down the very basic, tragically predictable formula of where a bad movie *should* have gone with the plot to be even remotely satisfying (but it doesn't) and Mike being like "it's almost as though you've watched a MOVIE before!!" never gets old to me

[@Lishadra]

It’s almost like you’ve watched dozens of botw episodes before! No? The joke doesn’t work? Alright I’ll go

[@ghostbustersquickresponseu5159]

I love how Rich is clutching to his Emotional Support Enterprise.

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

You would be, too, if you took a crushing defeat in Star Trek trivia AND THEN suffering through a round of Danzig movies. Poor man has been through a lot in the last week.

[@ghostbustersquickresponseu5159]

@@Avatar_of_Chairness Not arguing it at all. Quite appropriate.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Mike allowed him to hold it the entire day because he's a good friend. And when he promises to do something, if you throw a trivia game in his favor, he keeps that promise.

[@wolfgangpeter2995]

Damn just came up with emotional Support Starship.. Well honors go to you sir and/or ma'am 👏🛸🚀🍢👏

[@manboy4720]

activate the emotional support shield, mr worf.

[@Hadouken88]

I love how sometimes Mike is shown pouring an alcoholic drink at the beginng of episodes as if it were really his first one of the day.

[@heatherperleberg7816]

Camera trickery

[@chartreux1532]

haha, i wouldn't be surprised if that's done on Purpose, good catch! As a German, well to be exact as a Bavarian i feel Mike is far from an Alcoholic. Over here aving 3-4 0.5l (16oz) Bottles of Beer an Evening is the Norm and not considered alcoholic. Hence we Bavarians call Beer "Liquid Bread". Of course when you meet Americans, especially in the USA and you're a Bavarian and you drink like 6-7 of their tiny bottles of Beer in an Evening People go "Alcoholic" even if you can still talk normally. That said, Mike would definitely fit into Southern Bavaria! He just has to get used to everyone sounding and speaking English like Werner Herzog, because we all sound that way Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps

[@pakofajer838]

​@@chartreux1532 ah yes, the Eagles Nest!

[@jackelewish1568]

Lol I love this comment so much as a fellow _"functioning"_ alcoholic.

[@Hyperfoxeye]

​@@chartreux1532you have to drink that much to feel warmth and happiness in a miserable sounding place like bavaria or germany

[@ramonoski]

"Movies aren't meant to be exciting, or interesting. You're just meant to suffer through them in dead silence." -Mike Stoklasa, 2024

[@prolevelcallout4597]

-Glen Danzig, probably

[@edwardthegreat3]

Lol ahhaha

[@markvanderhelm4431]

That's nice but I fail to see what that person has to do with this video, this channel, or how they're relevant to... anything... ever. Or why they let that other guy named Mike stand so close to Rich Evans.

[@JCDenton3]

That's the Disney philosophy these days

[@snufkinsnufkin2528]

that's how i felt watching The Curse (and i loved it)

[@Chamomileable]

The explanation is actually pretty simple. Since around Danzig's 5th album he's been obsessed with doing his own everything and if you listen to the quality of the audio after that album it takes a nosedive. The mixing becomes horrible, the instrument tone starts to suck, it just becomes bad. Most people speculate that Danzig refuses to accept that his hearing is going after 50 years of loud music on stage. It's entirely likely that he just refused to take any input. It could be something as goofy as him mixing all the music into one audio track then accidentally muting it but not taking critique.

[@lemmyelk]

That's awesome and just makes me like him as an artist more. All his songs are telling you he's evil. It doesn't get much more evil than Last Caress. He actually is a bad dude, not suprising

[@Chamomileable]

Ehhh I don't know about evil. He seems like he can be a jerk but he's also a giant dork. If you want some funny stories about him look up "Danzig's evil bricks"@@lemmyelk

[@Visceri_CSKTS]

If you want confirmation that he can’t “take criticism” you can watch pretty much any live footage of him from the misfits all the way through current day and he does this thing… he pulls the mic away from his mouth at the end of every line. Like straight up cuts the mic away from himself because he wants to flail around or something. You can’t unsee/hear it Someone MUSTVE told him at some point, “yo Glen you are pulling the mic stop doing that”. But he’s such a massive chode-lord he probably doubled-down and does it because someone told him not to. It’s insane. Like batshit insane

[@DoodooSwaggy]

@@lemmyelkNah he’s just an asshole

[@___and_memes_for_all]

Danzig’s Whole Life Has Been One Long Mid-Life Crisis

[@michaelterry464]

Glenn Danzig VS Rob Zombie trivia would be the natural progression after this...

[@meltedcopper9247]

True, but Mike is 100% doing trek 3 to make rich wear the loser uniform

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Now im thinking... bad movie trivia BotW Spin the wheel, watch three movies, and play trivia (with just a few table cuts along the traditional couch cuts). Of course, no one with any sense thinks it'll work, so it's right up their alley. Because one or two movies would be enough, but watching Mike whine for extra points when he gets the details right -- except for the wrong movie -- would make forcing ALL of them to watch more movies worth it in my book! Edit: Or plinketto... jenga... tape movies to Rich's body and throw stones at him while Mike yells, "If you stop dodging, we can hit a movie and be done with it, you big baby!"

[@jackherman9064]

Glenn Danzig makes Rob Zombie look like Orson Welles.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

I'd take Danzig. At least you can laugh at his movies. Rob Zombie is like Eli Roth but much worse and with no sense of humor.

[@hayorge27]

​@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119👏 👏 Eli Roth sucks so hard

[@xpertbigchuck8597]

I saw Death Rider in theaters. I thought it would be fun to see it on mushrooms. The lack of music and lingering long takes made me feel uneasy and sick. At one point the screen went black but you could still hear the audio of the vampire prostitutes screaming. It took 5 minutes for someone in the audience to realize it was a projector problem and go ask for help. I think everyone else thought it was another another shitty creative choice Danzig had made.

[@TM3Alumni]

Hilarious story. I think i would've had a panic attack watching this on shrooms with some of those long takes

[@toweypat]

LOL!

[@josepha3805]

Thanks, a very informative review no cap. On m∆shrooms I recommend Up in Smoke, Fantastic Journey, Beetlejuice, or Yellow Submarine.

[@ωις-λ3π]

​@@josepha3805 UHF is kinda wild on boomers too.

[@Claymann71]

​@@josepha3805Ju-On. The Shining. The Thing. Ex-Machina. Upgrade. Annihilation. Chappie. Tombstone. Ferngully. Jumanji. (THE ORIGINAL) Tim Curry's IT. Christine. Krampus. Night of the Living Dead, Return of the Living Dead. Evil Dead 1 & 2. Ash vs Evil Dead. Anything by Neil Brein.

[@KsThe20]

As somebody who doesn't know how movies are made, it's hard to appreciate how much invisible work happens behind the scene. Until you watch something like this. The way Jay re-edited that scene - we shouldn't take stuff like this for granted.

[@kjkiefcakes1847]

Jay doing that in 20 minutes says as much about Jay as an editor as it does about that movie and how bad it was.

[@sameaston9587]

Every movie, even the bad ones, are bits of miracles.

[@tommc3622]

To hell with Snyder, give us the Bauman cut!!

[@QuinnParsley]

@@kjkiefcakes1847Yea, I know a very small bit about that kind of editing, and that still seemed like a pretty impressive amount of work to knock out in 20 minutes. Kudos to Jay for some actually pretty great editing. And as funny as all of this is, it’s amazingly educational too.

[@desmondd1984]

That re-edit was awesome.

[@barnabykane4515]

Just an FYI, Danzig is one of Fred Armison's favorite bands, and had Glenn Danzig appear in multiple episodes of the show Portlandia. I think Fred was just in the movie because he likes Danzig.

[@Psilocybin77]

Devon Sawa has been directed in film by some of the world's greatest musicians: Glen Danzig and Fred Durst! What an achievement.

[@illmsg77]

Oohhhhhh I just realized he was the dude in that other shockingly horrible movie by that other "musician" who should have stuck to what they know. I wish I could point out something Danzig did better than dips#!÷ Derst, only because my loyalty to the pint size prince of darkness and originator of horror punk and ALL his first 4 albums and a couple after that awful techno thing he went for. Travolta going full retard and Danny Trejo in fast motion to signify supernatural powers is both pretty funny BUT I still can't stand Rap-metal so I'm always gonna side with li'l Danziggity till infinity cuz he's satanic and that movie Fanatic is a train wreck that has to be seen because it's so bad and must be appreciated for that reason alone.

[@poiuytrewq11422]

Brother could act well if directed well enough.

[@PatrickMacCready]

"I was supposed to be home YESTERDAY." was great. Love Tim.

[@Macho_Fantastico]

It's crazy how Jay's edit of that scene was so much better, actually made it watchable. Goes to show how important audio is.

[@Larcheychey]

And strategic cutting between shots! The original went on for eternity

[@toweypat]

I am legitimately impressed by what Jay did. He even made the main character better by removing the part where he sees people about to be murdered but does nothing about it.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

My only complaint would be the cliched modern horror music during the biting scene.

[@MrJeanjean2009]

And he's offering his editing services for 50 bucks, like come on Mr. Zig, give him a chance next time!

[@chriswest6988]

It really illustrates the difference between footage, and a scene in a movie. After that work this looks like part of a shitty movie, but before it, it doesn't read as being a movie at all.

[@ChrisBrown-si1vg]

The only problem with using Jay's editing throughout the film is that it would only have a runtime of 15 minutes.

[@tommyeliassen2071]

It barely has enough story to qualify for a short-film anyway, so that would probably have been the way to go

[@yugytomm]

Implying that would be a bad thing.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Yeah, but Jay can easily pad the run-time, with some random _snuff_ he has lying around. And if he let's Danzig do the editing, he can call it 'expressionism'

[@Rex133TV]

This is a completely unsubstantiated theory, but I think Danzig probably made the first cut of the movie with music, but then found out that he either couldn't get the rights to the music he wanted, or it was so ridiculously expensive that he in some bizarre act of ego-tripping decided to strip out (almost) all music as if to spite the companies that said no to him.

[@donnydogpiss4533]

Apparently, that's not too far off the mark. Someone else here said they spent some time googling it and discovered that the distribution company didn't want to pay the outrageous fee for the rights that Danzig was demanding and so they stripped it out of the final product-something like that.

[@Ishkur23]

He wouldn't be the first filmmaker to defiantly do something like this.

[@AdlerDanEgoe]

My first thought.

[@ManaTeal47]

The percentage quote Mike was struggling with at around the 8-minute mark, (i.e., 80% of movies is music") is a sentiment/quote shared and credited to multiple people, each with different percentages. “Sound is 50 percent of the moviegoing experience.” From: George Lucas “The truth is, for me, it’s obvious that 70, 80 percent of a movie is sound.” From: Danny Boyle “Sound is fifty percent of a film, at least. In some scenes it’s almost a hundred percent. It’s the thing that can add so much emotion to a film. It’s a thing that can add all the mood and create a larger world. It sets the tone and it moves things. Sound is a great “pull” into a different world. And it has to work with the picture - but without it you’ve lost half the film.” From: David Lynch

[@anustart2]

"sound?" - Glenn Danzig

[@pogglywoggly3292]

"Whaaahuuh aaaaahuuuuuh?" - Mike impersonating Hellen Keller

[@lithobreak3812]

I'm not a huge film person, but for videogames I often say that the soundtrack of a game is such a powerful tool that it is almost cheating, ambiance can be the difference between boredom and tension, and good music can be the difference between an average sequence and one that will stay with you for the rest of your life

[@theghostofyankeejim]

@@lithobreak3812 Couldn't agree more. A good boss track is the difference between a boss fight and a strangely tough fodder encounter.

[@gvehar]

I've loved Glenn's music since discovering The Misfits, Samhain and Danzig in 1990. I heard Metallica's Garage Days, and bought a bootleg of the Misfits' Beware out of curiousity. It was amazing. I was thunderstruck. It was like the Ramones, who I loved, fronted by Elvis, with a Cramps swampy twang (on the Horror Business tracks). His voice was amazing. I quickly bought the 2 Danzig albums, which were all that he'd released at the time. And I picked up the Samhain CDs in short order. I loved the graphics, the melodies, everything. I loved horror movies, so the Misfits made sense and were also great fun. And before the internet, they were a complete mystery. I bought the Danzig albums as they came out (although I don't really love anything he's done in about 20 years.) I thought Glenn had a world-class talent and was one of the greatest voices in punk. I even shrugged off the Punch, as I think Danzig handled the fallout like a badass, by ignoring it completely and keep moving forward. I think the bubble popped once and for all after I saw him dragging a cat-sized coffin in the Crawl Across Your Killing Floor video. And I'm disappointed, almost saddened, to learn he has absolutely no taste in filmmaking. The lighting is awful, the editing is awful, he puts the worst porn stars in acting roles, the script is teenage boy level awful... i can forgive the HD video (which I hate, and not just in his movies) and lame special effects as he might have been on a tight budget, but the writing and the cinematography are utterly amateur. Hearing him cite Eyes Without A Face (1960) as an influence on Verotika gave me some hope, but that was dashed on actually watching the results. To this day whenever Danzig comes up in conversation my girlfriend will quote Verotika: "Milk? Or beeahr?" I'm convinced Julian Sands wandered out into the wilderness to die before this movie came out. That poor, poor man. And yes, i don't think he's very good at sound. Or maybe he's just cheap. Danzig never sounded good once they left Def American and Rick Rubin's production. 5 and 6 were passable, but it got worse over the years. His covers album and the Elvis tribute sound awful to me. Maybe on their own they sound ok, but in comparison to the Rubin recordings, hoo boy. Samhain and some of the Misfits recordings suffer from bungled mixes as well, but the songs shine through most of the time.

[@lucamckenn5932]

You put more care thought and effort into analysis than danzig does as an artist. He's a vocalist front man for a punk rock band. Synonymous with people who aren't that talented.

[@edwardthegreat3]

Rich Evans holding the trophy for "Best Star Trek Fan that Knows More Than Mike About Star Trek".

[@lifewhydoyoumockme]

The baffling lack of music makes me wonder if there wasn't a rights issue with the release, like maybe Danzig himself was demanding some ridiculous sum of money to use the score and the distribution guys just stripped it out completely.

[@MRBRADSTER96]

Apparently that was the case. Did some googling and it seems they didn’t want to pay for the rights

[@hodun8]

That is so Mr. Zig

[@Pencilman246]

If he wrote the score… he owns the rights. Which means he was willing to screw over his own movie over some music licensing?

[@MRBRADSTER96]

@@Pencilman246 a very Danzig thing to do. But I’m not sure he wrote it alone.

[@falkenfluegel]

@@MRBRADSTER96 I think your are on to something. He said in interviews worked on it with Tommy Victor, but Victor is nowhere to be seen in the credits.

[@-_Toys_-]

My buddy has done sound for Danzig. Glenn is actively hostile to sound guys, has no idea how it works

[@donnydogpiss4533]

Honestly he seems actively hostile and abrasive to just about everyone.

[@PillarOfWamuu]

How is he as talented a musical artist as he is if he doesnt respect audio engineers?

[@circlesnare3671]

@@PillarOfWamuu I actually haven’t heard a new album of his in 30 years.. maybe that late 70s/80s output was before he had a huge head/so much control? It would be an interesting rabbit hole I guess for me to sample a bit of all of his output since then.. 🧩

[@circlesnare3671]

I was looking at rym reviews of his recent albums, one from around 15 years ago mentioned an interview where he had the opinion of “why spend money on production and mastering when everyone will burn cd’s or download it anyway”; I’d be surprised if he didn’t hold the same type of opinion now. Guess he couldn’t adapt his mindset from a major label era to the internet era..

[@PillarOfWamuu]

@@circlesnare3671 nopw thats fascinating. thanks or doing thee leg work

[@Belgand]

"Verotika is more interesting"... both the first time that phrase has ever been spoken and one of the most powerful warnings a person could give.

[@TheElectroNuke]

Tim's reasons for showing up: 1. Free beer 2. To watch his friends' sanity and dignity drain before his very eyes

[@jamescurrall9341]

3. Mustache

[@DamienHayesYo]

He adds a nice crusty layer to the regular cast, love the guy

[@markvanderhelm4431]

To be fair... he started putting his jacket on and didn't think of reason 2 until halfway through reason 1

[@FlymanMS]

Also he got a bit of a homeless person style so here's the joke about him getting in a warm building with free beer once in a while.

[@JoeyJoeJoe87]

Jack is better.

[@HD-nt9fu]

My friend was unfortunately the makeup artist for Verotica. Danzing does not only make crappy movies, but he treats his production team and actors like crap as well. Everyone is either a friend of Danzing/dating a friend, working for “exposure” or for abysmal pay (if they don’t get checks that bounce). Hope he stops making awful vanity movies. 🗑️ PS- Blonde actress was engaged to Danzing during both films I think they have since broke up.

[@nathanhaimson]

I was wondering what that set experience would have been like while watching this. I do film makeup too, and these movies def give the vibe that they would be horrible to work on. Danzig seems like the kinda guy who is a nightmare to work with and doesn't pay his crew. 😫

[@HD-nt9fu]

@@nathanhaimson fun fact….my friend had to front money to buy products and prosthetics due to crap budgeting….then struggled for months to get paid back…. 🤡😑

[@Karma20XX]

That's really sad...

[@coralcomet]

*shudder*

[@fvckingtest]

@@coralcomet Naw man Shudder would never air crap THIS bad!

[@quietdignityandgrace]

That's a New Milestone for the channel. You guys have never reviewed a silent film before. Congratulations.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

In their defense... it still _sucked_

[@michaeln3527]

ACKSHUALLY They reviewed “The Artist” in 2015. CHECK YOUR FACTS!

[@Soyboy10]

@@michaeln3527we need community notes for these blatant lies

[@Noah_Entropy]

WHAT? SPEAK UP, I CAN'T HEAR THIS COMMENT!

[@fyxation]

that scene of Julian Sands with his hands templed as he's staring into space... you can almost hear his inner dialog: "Has it really come to this? Is this paycheck really worth it?" RIP, Warlock. You were so much better than this.

[@TheGuyInTheCheapSeats]

It started to go down for him after Boxing Helena.

[@SupremeGreatGrandmaster]

I thought The Medallion was a waste of Julian's talents, but this!

[@ShakaCthulu]

Felt the same when I watched the 2021 movie The Survivalist. Sands was in that stinker too, with Jonathan Rhys Meyers and, even curiouser, John Malkovich.

[@Massivecarcrash]

I dont think he got paid, he was probably just doing a friend a favor and was on set for about a day.

[@MichaelMichael-us6wq]

Now he gets to rest with the mountains, because people forgot what he starred in

[@nonconnahordeath]

Poor Devon Sawa. The man's not Laurence Olivier but he's a perfectly decent actor, and man has he ended up in some trash fire films.

[@than217]

This really makes me appreciate the actual talent that goes into directors directing films. You take it for granted when a film is mostly competent.

[@3Prayt]

absolutely yes

[@kgnkwmr]

That's actually insane how much better the scene becomes with Jay's edits. It really is true that every film is made twice: once in the screenplay, and once in the edit.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Then, it competes to be destroyed on BotW

[@caseypayan]

I'm happy to see the Red Letter Media team came to an understanding offline and awarded Rich Evans with the recognition he deserves as Star Trek Trivia champion. The Enterprise Trophy looks great.

[@markvanderhelm4431]

Mike promised he could hold it, for as long as he keeps trying really hard to be as good a friend, as he is to him... especially when it's time to play _star trek trivia: good friend edition_

[@prezpolk4ever]

Holy shit, I never appreciated what Jays editing can do until I saw his version of the upstairs/downstairs seen. It’s actually so much better it’s like Danzig was just filming coverage and packaged this movie so Jay had material to edit a decent 30 minute Twilight Zone episode.

[@lisah-p8474]

"Mr Danzig you have a promising career in feature film.... shooting second unit B-roll. Keep up the good work, Glenn."

[@smiffy666uk]

I was thinking that it seemed like Danzig felt he had to use every second of usable footage, when less is more.

[@diegovillaruiz2431]

Now it's Mike's turn to re-edit a scene. I vote for the opening scene with Dani Trejo. If Mr Zig had any complaints or claims for messing with his movie. They just have to award the reedit to Danny Marianinho

[@heyheyhey33351]

Tim's "Mr. Zig" joke is beautiful.

[@GeeVee1978]

I really appreciate the added touch of this episode having almost no background music

[@martsen79]

Death Rider was so bad it caused Tim to manifest a detached phantom hand at 29:44.

[@JaRyCu]

I rewound the video like 4x trying to figure out WTF happened there. I'm still not sure.

[@MakeThisAMovieFilms]

They must have masked someone out and "missed a spot." That, or ghost.@@JaRyCu

[@petrifiedtoaster8572]

Yeah that was odd.

[@NatePilgrim]

It's time to call Zack Bagans, its the only choice

[@lazycatchphrase8148]

Tim is clearly haunted.

[@Vaniity_Velvet]

To those who aren't familiar with Glenn, him not supplying sound or music to large chunks of his films despite being a Musician, a very popular one at that, may sound strange. But, Glenn is a huuuuuuuuuuge Cheap-Skate so it's really not that surprising at all. Just look up the history of their 1996 Album "Static Age". Long-Story Short: Static Age was originally suppose their Debut Album recorded way back in 1978 and had a bunch of unreleased songs. However, due to issues with the Record company it was never released. However, when the band broke up the first time in 1983, Glenn went back and reissues and remastered a bunch of these songs, then in 1996 he sold the Album and pocketed all the profits. For decades Static Age was the last straw for the band and why they wanted nothing to do with Glenn. A bunch of the original members even tried to sue him over it. Then, in 2000, Glenn tried to Sue Jerry Only for lucrative marketing deal Jerry had worked out with Hottopic claiming ownership everything Misfits related, Glenn said Jerry did all this behind his back. However, Jerry said that never happened, Glenn waited too long to file suit against him and he never attempted to use Misfits Trademark. Eventually the entire court case was thrown out. Only didn't really have a counter suit against him and Glenn couldn't prove anything. So, Glenn has a History of being a shifty cheapskate and kind of an asshole.

[@Rr0gu3_5uture]

You're forgetting the 1985 Legacy of Brutality LP! He overdubbed a bunch of tracks from the then-unreleased Static Age album and released it as Legacy of Brutality specifically to con his former bandmates out of royalties.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

You'd think if he was so concerned about saving money, he wouldn't try to make movies.

[@attilabubby]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine i'm guessing he writes a lot of it off as business expense? or at least thats what he thinks. doesn't seem like the person to think things through.

[@rattypumpkin6183]

@@Rr0gu3_5uture And the overdubbing was incredibly shitty to. It's so echo-y you'd think it was done in a bathroom. The only reason to ever listen to Legacy of Brutality is the single song "American Nightmare" which to my knowledge has never been released elsewhere. Static Age itself is probably the best album Danzig has ever done.

[@frankez99]

You’re not wrong about Glenn, but his Misfits to Samhain to Danzig (up to 4LP) run is stuff of metal lore, for better or worse. I just came off my annual Misfits kick and RLM had to drop this video 😂

[@jamesbullock7091]

I met Glenn Danzig at a comic con once, he was a huge POS, which is saying a lot for a dude who's 4 feet tall

[@hahafunnyhaha4216]

@My-cat-is-staring-at-you I don't know, man; have you heard Seagull sing soul? Wow-wee.

[@bgarri8001]

Yeah Danzig is a huge diva. I'm sure you've seen the video of him getting punched to the ground by the lead singer of Northside Kings, but if not it's a very satisfying video.

[@xanderw1850]

@@hahafunnyhaha4216 just wait until they discover the reggae album he made

[@rattypumpkin6183]

Met at a comic con eh? Did you get him to sign your copy of Crystar Crystal Warrior #8 that he traced his band's demon skull logo from the cover of?

[@jamesbullock7091]

@@rattypumpkin6183 Ha! He was set up with a booth selling toys, he had a Harley Quinn action figure my 10 year old son really wanted, he had it priced at $15, my son only had $12, Danzig said "nope, the price is $15"...

[@Dynamaximometer]

My first interaction with Glenn Danzig was when he bought Carl Brutananadilewski's house that was haunted by the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future in Aqua Teen Hunger Force. After watching this episode of BOTW, I hope Carl is doing ok.

[@gitarmats]

Imagine Glenn Danzig entering the ring to fight Rich Evans, but he has no theme song playing as he walks in, and all you hear is background noise.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Vs Rich slowly waltzing out to the theme of DS9. While wearing a cape and swinging the Enterprise D around using "3 dimensional thinking, captain"

[@thartwig]

Fred armisen being in the movie for no apparent reason other than him making a goofy face for 3 secs is incredible.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

Danzig was in an episode of "Portlandia" so that's probably the reason Fred was in this.

[@MrDrProfessorPurple]

Fred Armisen and Danzig being buds after that one cameo in Portlandia is actually the funniest fucking thing.

[@thartwig]

i absolutely forgot about that, Fred is basically doing his portland goth character lol@@HarryBuddhaPalm

[@ktkatte6791]

he probably heard it was happening and fell over himself to be in something ironically

[@Pencilman246]

It doesn’t surprise me, Armisen is obsessed with punk music. So having one of your punk heroes asking you to be in a shitty movie for a day must have been a quick yes from him.

[@gradeahonky]

"Movies aren't supposed to be exciting, or interesting. You're just meant to suffer through them." - this might be my favorite Mike quote of all time

[@coralcomet]

He's approaching the cliff 😅😅

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Also Mike: I want Star Trek to be boring again!

[@aeneasfate]

I think Rich Evans' bear-hugging his Emotional Support Starship to keep the Danzigs away is my new favorite thing ever.

[@personafalsus1399]

The ESS Enterprise.

[@liverbrains]

"you see you can use my music Mr Zig..." Cracked me up Tim fuckin' a

[@theyurireviewer]

That Jay cut is probably most effective way to explain to any film student how a movie is generally made.

[@herbertwestmd6017]

I've just noticed that the girls that Fred Armisen kills are the Soska sisters, the horror directors.. And there's a continuity error, when Jay shows the unedited footage you can see them walking on the background of the saloon after they've been murdered 😂

[@ely_oh]

"Ironically, he's [Glenn Danzig] a musician, who's probably been in the studio, and understands sound mixing, right?" -- Mike Stoklasa, 2024 Mike, let me tell you about "Danzig Sings Elvis" album. Now, that's a hit!

[@petrifiedtoaster8572]

29:44 The Spirit of Culkin trying to posses Tim was a highlight I was never expecting.

[@thomasarcanine]

I didn't realize how Rich Evans is adorable until I saw him hugging an Enterprise ship like a teddy bear and 31:46 getting poked on the nose like a cute puppy... No wonder after all these years, Mike had such strong attachment to Rich...

[@DeflatingAtheism]

What would happen if Rich cuddles with his emotional support Enterprise after- unbeknownst to him- a cat napped on it?

[@pogglywoggly3292]

@DeflatingAtheism ah, you must be imagining a horrible and fatal reaction from Rich's allergies due to the cat. Don't worry. He'll subconsciously be downloaded into a synth body he made himself, and his old body will be whisked to a starbase (also constructed by Rich using RLM petty cash) for meaningful and foreshadowing preservation. Then proceed to call the cat that killed him "Spot".

[@billy-jomason7904]

Rich's calm demeanor leaves me wondering if an Emotional Support Galaxy Class really offers galaxy class emotional support.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Especially when you remember Mike had something similar. But it was a sovereign class... and he ate it.

[@RLToughGuy]

The ghost at 29:43 has deeper lore than Death Rider.

[@Bany1911]

Thank god I've been scrolling makng sure I'm not going crazy. It looks like just a hand lol

[@burnout40k]

Same.

[@scipion9936]

Fuckin' mystery hand showin' up out of nowhere.

[@chartreux1532]

I guess Mike finally has his Proof of Ghosts being real!

[@MrRenard7785]

@@chartreux1532 Someone send this episode to Zak Bagans, quick! We have to put this footage in the Haunted Museum!

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

I hope Glenn Danzig never stops making movies. Either he gets better, or he doesn't, but we'll all win either way.

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

Him and Neil Breen need to work together.

[@johnm.withersiv4352]

Like Gwar films! Are what they are.

[@justinhilton4143]

I feel like this western would be a clear upgrade over Verotika in most categories except for the sound. Like wtf Glenn, sound is what you are most known for. You couldn't even license some of your own music for this?

[@johnm.withersiv4352]

@@justinhilton4143 He could have hired Los Straightjackets to do an instrumental score track. Maybe a sound track will be an option on the anniversary edition in a few years.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

I find this observation valid. Let's also hope that once Neil Breen decides to leave this Earth - of his own accord, and at a time and place chosen by the universe - that someone who has purchased one of his how-to-make-a-professional-movie DVDs shouts, "I NOW KNOW MY PURPOSE!"

[@systemmonitor5295]

I'm absolutely going back and rewatching the Verotika Half in the Bag, then queuing this up.

[@averyhinks1799]

Jay laughing at Mike’s jokes is so wholesome it makes me believe for a moment there’s nothing wrong with the world.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Until the laughter pulls your eyes back to the screen, and you see... any of them. Then the sadness kicks in.

[@jaykelley103]

​@@pogglywoggly3292they are handsome lads

[@90asdfghjkl]

When Jay shows his edited version, it’s almost like they know what they’re talking about. Keep up the great work guys lol

[@phoenixgirl70]

29:44 (close enough) Watch and tell me what the hell pops out beside the couch beside Tim near the floor. Has Nukie come back…in the flesh? Heard people yelling Dookie and got confused? Scarier than anything in this movie.

[@koanikal]

Possibly Mike trying to motion for someone to bring him a puke bucket.

[@markvanderhelm4431]

​@@koanikal It's kind of messed up insinuating, not only that Mike is a full-blown alcoholic constantly puking between takes... but that he would bother with a bucket when he has Rich wearing an absorbent shirt.

[@zacharycampbell1002]

Not enough props in the comments for Jay’s re-edit if the film. It was very well done, especially if he did it in the time he gave himself! I especially appreciate the mirroring of the shot at 42:07 into 43:48 The cut in the original is super jarring and ruins the moment, almost as much as having no score.

[@grumble2501]

Uhm Rich hugging his enterprise model like a security blanket is the funniest thing I’ve seen in ages!!! Love it

[@zukuss6658]

I went to film school for sound design. Death Rider feels like the projects that we would get from the production side of the school for us to work on.

[@ianm1462]

Danzig’s tinnitus was scoring the film for him. Also, Fred Armisen being in this is not surprising. Guy was a punk drummer for like a decade so he’s assuredly a Misfits fan (and probably a bad movie fan too).

[@kevinbuzinski-rq3tu]

Danzig was on an episode of Portlandia, so Fred Armisen probably thought he couldn’t say no to being in this movie.

[@Moonstruck967]

I like how the big guy who punched Danzig threw such a powerful punch, (a haymaker from my research into this Glenn Danzig lore), that he made himself lose balance because of his sheer size and then proceeded to stumble over Glen's unconscious body as it wavered like a falling leaf to the ground.

[@urdnal]

Thing is, Danzig is so short (5’3”) that that “big” guy must be pretty dang short himself. Guess it’s a good thing stages are elevated.

[@jarrodhall3686]

@@urdnalDamn! And here I was, thinking this dude was an absolute monster. I’m literally a foot taller than him. That’s some real movie magic right there.

[@PupGamer]

It looks like a regular punch that mostly missed, so Danzig got hit in the ear with a bicep. ... Which is kinda like a haymaker, but it would be a super weak one.

[@maube8007]

Even if the guy was using that ram with full-force, that's not how you break down a door. You don't smash a hole through the middle, you hit it next to the doorknob to break the deadbolt.

[@donnydogpiss4533]

Also to bust the door jam.

[@AParticularIndividual]

This movie feels like Danzig saw From Dusk Til Dawn, Interview with the Vampire, Vampire Assassin and maybe a couple episodes of Deadwood and thought "I could do that!"

[@dion8895]

Yes, silver was actually traditionally associated with killing vampires in addition to (and potentially even before) werewolves. Both folklore and modern films tend to vary drastically when it comes to what works on their monsters, but the silver/vampire connection is a legit one.

[@dziewiaty]

30:57 We associate silver with killing creatures of the night in the general, because silver itself was the "pure" element. In traditional mythos, werewolfs can be killed only by silver weapons, vampires just have additional weaknesses due to their undead nature. Vampires did not reflect in the mirrors in stories of that time, because back then mirrors were containing silver, so it was "purifying" the reflected image. It is also why blessed silver crucifix often is considered ultimate weapon, in pokemon terms, it does 8x super effective damage.

[@backlogbuddies]

People tend to not know this stuff because of movies. Like leprechauns needing to clean dirty shoes

[@Vaporvice84]

@29:44 "So you might be confused on what happened there". Nah, just a half a floating hand for a half second. Perfectly normal.

[@mackenziestolzenburg3242]

WHAT WAS THAT?? We rewound like 3 times

[@BlackJester57]

I noticed that too and went into the comments to say something. It sort of looks like the technique they use sometimes for holding half of the shot still. I don't know why but it was edited so that that line could be said with Rich and Mike's couch having something else there then what was happening at the time. Hard to phrase but hopefully that makes sense. I think Mike might have actually been there during that time but it was edited to look like he was in the bathroom.

[@PupGamer]

It's an old stage effect accomplished by reflecting a person offstage in a pane of glass to make them appear ephemeral. It's famously used in Disney's Haunted Mansion ride and is the same principal that makes teleprompters work. The effect is called Tupac's ghost.

[@Jambeeno]

It's a G-G-G-GHOOOOOAAAAASST! Somebody tell Mike to use his SB7 Spirit Box near that haunted couch! Mac has so much forethought! srsly tho: neat find! Looks like an editing artifact, as others above said. The shadows on the floor between the couches also move around before the hand appears.

[@hamletchico2154]

im glad im not the only one who saw that, lol

[@highhorseo7875]

“This f*cking house was supposed to come with that f*cking robot and now it’s f*cking gone”

[@lowonlife_highondeath]

"You f*ckin better, cuz if I find out he's over here, I'm gonna be eating my cereal out of the bottom of your f*ckin skull... verstehen?!"

[@quarterburnt]

He is so annoying, he is so frightening, and he doesn't wear a shirt.

[@highhorseo7875]

You make our house bleed, right NOW!

[@rvfiasco]

Classic.

[@fowof]

“Now listen to me,as hard as you fuckin can”

[@nathanbeck9545]

What I know Glen Danzig from is an old issue of Wizard magazine that suggested him as an actor for Wolverine. Cheers to the reality where that did not happen.

[@sixtsix6573]

Jay better send that bill for that immaculate level of editing he kindly did for Danzig.

[@brianlindstrand934]

I love the image of Rich hugging the Enterprise-D for emotional support.

[@BashoftheMonth]

29:43 Did you see it? On the right side of the couch, barely visible on the camera, a light-translucent mist slowly creeps into the camera.

[@benarnold3565]

looks like a hand ghosting in

[@LukeABarnes]

It's Mike's force ghost.

[@conan2096]

glen danzig, legendary musician, makes film without any music score....genius artist!

[@toweypat]

He subverted our expectations!

[@drpibisback7680]

Apparently he did do the score, but then got into a licensing fight with the distributors. They just took all the music out rather than deal with Glenn demanding more money.

[@conan2096]

once again he loses a fight and its recorded lol. i bet he stormed off to his pile of bricks@@drpibisback7680

[@Duncan_Idaho_Potato]

Poor Julian Sands. He deserved better. The "dying-in-the-desert" thing sucked, too.

[@IladRodavlas]

Rich cuddling that enterprise like a small wounded animal while Mike gingerly tops off his glass is such a relatable visual.

[@wmmchap]

My brother and I saw this in theaters. We were the only two people there. Greatest film experience of my life.

[@DaleyKreations]

Did it have background music in the theatre? I saw one review that said it did

[@wmmchap]

Iirc, the 5 minute long sequence of Sawa riding on the horse with the lady in the beginning is scored by a song Danzig wrote for the film. I couldn't tell you more than that for the rest of the viewing.@@DaleyKreations

[@g0dhand310]

@@wmmchap Yes and at the 12:01 minute mark you can clearly hear the "death rider opening" song they used for the blue ray release while the rider drags the blond girl with shiny pants through the desert. So it's fair to assume that this is the theatrical version or did they just leave the "rider theme" in and cut out all the other music for whatever reason? Damn you Danzig I am now spending way more time thinking about your crap movie than any person ever should.

[@Aerobyte12]

The fact that the Enterprise makes Rich's voice more clear is a detail I thoroughly enjoy 👌

[@alexorozco6120]

Sitting down for lunch and discovering they’ve put up a new video fills me with a sensation that I imagine is what happiness feels like?

[@coryshays4061]

Great episode, you can tell Mike and Jay both have a lot of understanding about film making, especially with sound mixing. That they almost always talk over a soft musical track can't underscore the importance enough.

[@slightrebellionoffmadison]

As a Star Trek fan who’s been to Vasquez Rocks three times, I’m amazed it took Mike and Rich two hours to find it. It’d be like going to Manhattan and not noticing the Empire State Building.

[@larrywalsh9939]

RLM SERIOUSLY should put out a "Worst of the Best of the Worst" episode - take like a half dozen of the several hundred movies Mike has said was the worst movie ever made, review them together, and pick a "winner". I want to know, of all the hundreds of movies he thinks is the worst one ever made, he's pick as the absolute worst.

[@JohnnyZenith]

A best of the best would be good too.

[@larrywalsh9939]

@@JohnnyZenith Maybe Best of the Worst of the Best of the Worst?

[@larrywalsh9939]

@@JohnnyZenith Or Worst of the Best?

[@MattM-oe6qs]

​@@JohnnyZenithIt's already edged weapons

[@Masshuzai]

Currently 'Birdemic 3' is the worst they've ever seen.

[@landbeforetimeee]

Wonderful to see Mike, lord of all things Star Trek trivia, doing his best to maintain a working relationship with the defeated and humbled celebrity Rich Evans.

[@jwilliwonka]

You're clearly hallucinating. We all know Rich is the undisputed Star Trek trivia champion of the world.

[@ChrisKola]

How is Josh not on this episode? He's the only man wearing a Danzig T-shirt, for crying out loud!

[@Null94]

nice comment! you came up with that in 3 minutes

[@ChrisKola]

​@@Null94I came up with that the second I saw he wasn't there, lol

[@Null94]

lmao@@ChrisKola

[@Alex_Reynolds]

Josh knew better.

[@JP-xw2kf]

No one likes josh

[@AtticusNomiTron]

Ummmm....did anyone else notice the weird ghost hand at 29:44 into the show? At the arm of the couch on Tims side. Am I tripping?

[@dune_fan_8441]

Wow that is creepy its definitely a hand

[@jasonrjohnston]

41:09 competent work, Jay. A gigantic improvement over the original. Of course, if the actual movie had been edited this way it’d be 35 minutes long.

[@SerpentineJack99]

I was half expecting Cameron. Mitchell yelling to close the door in the background chatter

[@aaronhelmsman]

I wonder if Death Rider used music that they licensed for the movie and not for the home release or something. It feels like they really just took out all the music

[@closedmouth]

there's no way those opening credits weren't supposed to have music over them at some point

[@coen123]

I mean the film was released by Cleopatra, the label behind those shitty "industrial tribute to X band" albums alongside some other dubious releases. Then again, Danzig has released his last few albums through Cleopatra so who knows what happened.

[@TerrenceNowicki]

That doesn't explain all the sound effects and dialogue being so muffled, though.

[@jimmypadilla3441]

Elsewhere in the comments a theatergoer claimed that's what happened

[@CosmicWaltz7]

I can't say for Danzig personally, but I'm both a musician and an audio producer/editor, so I have some insight into the audio mixing process. The artist often has nothing to do with the mix or edits. Maybe some suggestions like "boost this" or "cut that" but honestly, when they leave, you ignore that shit and go back to how you mixed it because most of the performers are near deaf and probably drunk/high when they're in the studio anyway. In fact, we specifically can record their performance direct from an instrument or mic in a way that after they leave, we can replay it through the equipment without them swearing that "no, this is totally how it needs to sound". What works live is often terrible on an album. Remember, the editor is not a part of the band, so they get paid based on what *they* make out of the artists' performances, not what the artist can do on tour. Some bands get enough clout that they can dictate exactly how the album should sound, and that's why "St Anger snare" is an industry joke. On stage, the artist still isn't fully in control of their sound, as the front-of-house mixes it for the audience. You can't hear what you sound like to the audience when on the stage, since there's a whole room between you changing the way your audio fills that space. Hell, you likely can't hear *yourself* with most "hard rock" musicians because they often think loud equals good, and are personally hearing-challenged because of it. For large venues with a huge crowd, we have artists use in-ear pieces, and they might not even be hearing the full mix: usually, they're getting the drum mix and themselves to keep on time, with other parts turned down or even muted. So, it's possible that Glenn has never been at the mixing desk, and if he was, any changes he made were immediately undone when he left.

[@rampagingelephant7353]

Death Rider seems to me like the perfect movie for aspiring sound editors to use as a template to hel them hone their craft.

[@neddles33]

it really was helpful for Danzig to release the raw footage

[@BenvolioZF]

I hope it’s in a bunch of prominent audio engineer’s portfolios

[@moldiworp9143]

There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who love Rich's laugh, and those who haven't learnt to love it yet.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

What about... oh, you know. The guy laughing?

[@moldiworp9143]

@@pogglywoggly3292 Cinema magic

[@DChadwickAuthor]

Okay so... I'm like 10,000 percent sure they made Rich hold that Enterprise for the whole video to keep him from subconsciously covering up his mic with his hand and arm.

[@joshjacks2837]

Even "silent" movies had music. Great job with editing the Fred Armisen scene, BTW

[@markvanderhelm4431]

Yeah, but you gotta appreciate being able to hear soft footsteps so clearly, when there's zero background noise... ever.

[@nissemann]

You don't know how much I needed this episode today... thanks guys.

[@openpelican]

29:44 Alert Mike, the screening room is haunted!

[@Corn_Gone_Missing]

the greenscreen backdrop of the nukie wall was so awesome, cant wait to see more of Mikes haunted ghost shenanigans

[@john_blues]

Rich wasn't hugging the Enterprise for comfort, the Enterprise was hugging Rich Evans for comfort.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

"Don't worry, I won't let them replace you with the E..." - Rich Evans after seeing a vision of the not-so-distant future... where Michael Bay proclaims he's the new show runner for a complete TNG reboot. Starring AI: Pat Stewart® as Jean-Luc "The Picard" Riker, of course.

[@martincann5052]

Yes, silver does kill vampires and is the original reason for their lack of reflections since mirrors used to be made with silvered glass And before anyone asks, yes, they should show up in other reflective surfaces like water, people just forgot.

[@FredCracklin]

Silver has antibacterial properties too which is the reason behind the lore, much like garlic it was used to ward off infections and the like and vampirism was looked at as an infection in a lot of legends (there are different vampire myths all over the world so they aren't universal). Makes you wonder if you can kill a vampire with cipro or amoxicillin nowadays.

[@toweypat]

You know a suspiciously high amount about vampires.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

I want to see this and the hairy palms make a comeback

[@TerrenceNowicki]

If they didn't show up in other reflective surfaces, you wouldn't be able to see them at all, because they wouldn't reflect off the retina, kind of like how Geordi and Ro should be blind in The Next Phase since photons passing through them was what made them invisible to everyone else, which means those same photons wouldn't reflect off their retinas/whatever Geordi's VISOR substitutes for retinas. There's an episode of Solar Opposites where two of the main characters get turned invisible and this prevents them from being able to easily resolve the problem.

[@LittleMissLounge]

@@FredCracklin Now I'm picturing how vampires react to holy water except with Augmentin.

[@Henskelion]

I was unaware until now that the guy who moved into Carl's house after being visited by The Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future was a filmmaker.

[@bjchit]

And a comic book writer!

[@GRS9790]

Rich Evans hugging the Millennium Falcon like a teddy bear is adorable. He sure loves Star Wars.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

It's an X-Wing!

[@Mrrdrrr]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine You troll. That's a Dumbledore.

[@davekennedy6315]

You Muppets are ALL wrong, that is clearly an ED-209!

[@prezpolk4ever]

Hahahahahaha, AT-ST, you fools. AT-ST!!!

[@markvanderhelm4431]

It's pronounced, Obi-won-day-tah

[@irsever]

“The sound and music are 50 percent of the entertainment in a movie.” George Lucas “The truth is, for me, it’s obvious that 70, 80 percent of a movie is sound.” Danny Boyle

[@Windowsprodukt]

Why do vampires in movies spray blood everywhere when they eat? Like, they're just pouring out their food on the floor for no reason.