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[@Rednu]

Which version of Yu-Gi-Oh is objectively the worst? Only right answers please.

[@Mighty-Eight]

This will be a long winded answer just letting you know: When it comes to Modern Format, Master Duel is the Superior Format. I don't care what people say because of Maxx "C" (The Bug fucking stays, its a necessary evil that is needed for modern games). Master Duel gets constantly updated and Maintained, cards get updated, and Banlist more importantly gets updated on time. If there is a Meta that gets too toxic, I can always wait a Month before it gets better by Bannings, Limits, and Semi-Limits (Yes, Semi-Limits matter). Even when New cards come out and might soon get problematic it WILL get hit before it even comes out (Bystials and Kashtira come to mind when they were coming out). When It's Physical Cards, I don't play TCG anymore as The Banlist has been trash and continues to be trash as decks have been at full Power for far too long, Multiple FTK's appear far too often (The year of 2018 was the last straw for me), and there aren't as many Crucifixion banlist that are necessary for the sake of balance. It sucks for me as I love Playing card games in person and meeting people as I have played this game as a kid and played soooo many Formats (From OG, GX, 5D's, Zexal, Arc-V and Vrains Era, I've played through them all High or low). When a Card Game gets lazy (TCG Wise) in balancing and not updating the game, giant gaps seep through for unfair games and matches that don't get fun, boring, and kill the Meta as it falls to Option A or B (sometimes maybe a C) Decks, that feel and play nearly the same and becomes stale.

[@TheMetallingOne]

yugioh

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

Honestly it's tied between MD and OCG. No Maxx C automatically makes the TCG the best in my eyes. I don't know tbh between the two. OCG has the latest cards, and has more variety but then again I think the fact that MD allows us to basically revisit the older formats that both the TCG and OCG has already had anf actually have the time to explore them also makes it rather interesting. If I really had to say it'd be MD that's the worst for the many bots it had that had plagued the game with D.D dynamite/eater of millions and now selfTK and Nurse Burn and the Utopic FTK all of which don't exist in the OCG.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

​​@@Mighty-EightFirst of all no Maxx C is not needed and is what holds rogue decks back from standing a chance against the meta. Second of all the banlist that actually makes changes to toxic decks take longer. They really only start hitting the actual problem decks once the selection pack which features them expires which takes about two months and then you need to wait for another month after that. Tearlaments was dominant for a long time because of this. Rhongo was left untouched for a long time and VFD and Herald of Ultiamteness at the same time along with Eldlich Stun definitely was not a good start for the game. I'd take 2018 Gumblar format over that any day. Also the TCG has actually hit meta decks way sooner or even on release way more than MD has from what I've seen. Hit fire first rooster one week after release, Pepe got gutted after 2 weeks and for more recent examples Purrely, SHS, and Kashtira all got shutdown pretty fast. The former 2 also in 2 weeks tops. Have you been at least keeping up with the banlists of the format? If you would've you would've seen how they addresses tons of decks in the last few recent banlists. Hell they gave their own crucifixion banlist to SHS just by banning one card. Also to be frank I can't see the fun when getting Maxx C'd and my opponent goes +6 from a simple live twin combo the ends on a pop 1 as interruption. I also can't see the fun when the best decks of the format don't special summon as much as the rogue decks making Maxx C far more beneficial to them than rogue decks. I also don't see the fun when the meta revolves around which decks can get out their boss monsters in the least amount of summons.

[@Saber7YT]

Probably yugioh TCG since it’s not always accessible to everyone mostly because of prices etc.

[@kimjung-un8204]

As an exclusive duel links player I've seen way to much hate. Mostly being told since we play the speed duel format We are somehow just awful duelists 😅and because of that toxicity I'll never play tcg or md. And I'll just say that magic the gathering is the better irl tcg

[@tylerantony7399]

Hey, just wanted you to know that this is a good channel and that you (and MBT) are quite good at being frank about what kinds of mechanics people actually consider fun in games, and particularly trading card games. You guys are good at elucidating what people trying to get into card games (especially modern, advanced format YuGiOh) are thinking when they are trying to learn it, which unfortunately tends to be "I don't want to go play in my local card shop because I'm afraid I'll get rules-lawyered and screamed at; and I don't feel like I will ever actually know the rules".

[@ChronosLawliet123]

I feel like yugioh players are so traumatized by being bullied for playing a childrens card game, that they have to be bullies themselves to not feel like complete losers lol

[@ippoverse]

It’s true

[@GreatgoatonFire]

I feel like the whole "OCG vs TCG vs MD" beef is something Konami has to take a fair bit of blame for. The OCG has earlier access to cards. The TCG has to deal with rarity bumps and not getting some cards for years. No shit people are going to get toxic over that. Same with MD being a Bo1 only game. I think it is fair to say that MD was a response to Arena. A game that had ranked Bo1 and Bo3 from the start. Only offering Bo1 to player that have played Bo3 for decades, another source of source of discontent. That said, players should be angry at Konami over these issues not smack talk each other. P.S. There is also the fact that for most people you have to move to a different continent to play the other format. Taking the "the console I bought is the best" mentality of the console wars to the next level.

[@user-zp7lw1sd1u]

Hi, i heard you thoughts on master duel and makes sense, I'm curious on your thoughts on yu gi oh Legacy of the duel, another yu gi oh video game

[@danieltilleru3528]

All I play is master duel because paper is way to expensive and dueling book is OK but I got tired of people cheating and then waiting 30 mins for a judge

[@STEPHxCA]

13:13 I just started playing thru Maxx C lmao I figured if I’m gonna lose anyway I may as well go out swinging and I’d say about half the time if not more I end up winning lol

[@Mighty-Eight]

True absolutely true

[@Xehnas]

Wow people who play a game all about shutting out anything another player does like shut down any and all discussion that isnt positive about the game, never saw the overlap myself. Jokes aside it is what it is. I doubt were getting much different, but yeah Paul is honestly one of my favorite yugi-tubers cause hes just chill about everything. No shouting anyones trash, just having his own fun.

[@wilhelmbecknee5870]

Idk I think any time you get a group of people together who care about the thing that brought them together there's part of them that will take things too far and shut out other people's opinion while enforcing theirs as fact. You see this in politics, the souls franchise, call of duty, fighting games, league of legends, sports, literally everything else people care about so to be like "oh of course it's yugioh, the player base is obviously going to be super toxic" is sort of reductive. It's a problem in every community. I play a lot of magic on top of yugioh and it's common for players of magic and other games to look down on yugioh and it's players or really any group they view as a competitor of what they love as some exception but refuse to look at those same issues in their community (until they get pissed and decide it's now a problem just because they're now aware of it) every community has a group of people infighting and a group of people being toxic towards their competitor communities

[@Xehnas]

@@wilhelmbecknee5870 I play mtg and league as well, in addition to a number of other things, yugioh is still far worse based solely on the inability to really play anything other than the main form of the game. The only variant modes it has that are in any way respectably supported are time wizard formats which ultimately just bring it back to a old banlist date that can never advance. It basically hard markets to the people who would be the biggest on being elitist. DIdn't always. I use to remember the snobs being way more numerous in mtg, but honestly its just changed over the years as the game failed to really make anything more than more powercreep. I am not saying the other games are free of it in any way, but the amount is VASTLY higher in Yugioh, by unintended design.

[@wilhelmbecknee5870]

@@Xehnas I'm sorry man I disagree entirely. What were talking about is anecdotal evidence (evidence based entirely on personal experience and the experiences of people we talk to) you're using something you think is reasonable to explain what you're seeing in the yugioh community but i really don't think there's a correlation. I go to locals and visit online forums/watch videos pretty regularly for both and its legitimately hard holding my tongue sometimes. Magic players do bring up yugioh unprompted more than yugioh players bringing up magic and it's almost always in a negative light. Lol I mean there's a look of disgust on their faces alot of times, even in videos. Watch the professor's videos with Paul, pleasantkenobi talking about yugioh with actual anger the second yugioh comes out of his mouth, lol literally any of these mtg creators can't help but show how much they look down on the game and it happens in person pretty regularly as well. Man that's the definition of elitism. Have your problems with the game but not even being able to hold back your judgement enough not to be rude is pretty effed. You're right there are more yugioh players that take competitive more serious so the toxic people are gonna focus their toxicity that direction, maybe you're not competitive so you experience it more, that sucks it shouldn't be like that, but my point was yugioh, magic and all other games probably have the same percentage of toxic people, if you're not seeing them there's a chance you're one them ( lmao not saying you actually are but you trying to convince me how bad the yugioh players are does remind me of the toxic group of mtg players at my locals trying to tell me how bad my favourite game is when GOSH DARN IT I CAME INTO THIS LOCALS WITH AN MTG DECK TODAY CAN WE JUST PLAY A GAME WITHOUT YOU TRYING TO REMIND ME HOW BAD YOU THINK YUGIOH IS!) lol sorry for the novel just getting some pent up energy out

[@Xehnas]

@@wilhelmbecknee5870 Love how you start with handwaving my stuff by calling it anecdotal and then go into anecdotes on your experiences of players. Definitely not more evidence pointing to the idea of yugioh players having to negate everything be in points or effects.

[@wilhelmbecknee5870]

@@Xehnas the point was we both have anecdotal experience, doesn't make either of us right, was trying to show how my anecdotal experience is different to yours

[@superbarriobros3372]

I like yugioh. I played links at some point. Play master duel. And go to locals from time to time. I’m not good, just got back into Tcg about 7 months ago. A lot of decks I might have not played yet

[@noob_jr_2sjrkc]

Oh, invalidating opinions is something every community has a problem with. Try criticizing any popular game and a lot of defenses will be "it sold/reviewed well so you're wrong", which is simply invalidating and not addressing whatever you say.

[@Leviahtain_82575]

0:24 I don’t see the problem with Paul going from tcg to mostly master duel, he’s still representing the game in some way, IMO the tcg is better bc I like actually holding the cards but I do play a fair amount of master duel and duel links

[@bajio3118]

29:56 "Are you stronger because you know more, or do you know more because you are stronger"

[@randommaster06]

Multiple formats are such an anathema to the Yugioh community. It doesn't help that Konami doesn't synchronize set release and has three different teams working on the B/R List that can't agree on what to do.

[@justice8718]

“Make Broken cards that also make Jesus Christ angry at their existence.” That’s the the entire Philosophy of Yugioh. The end.

[@jorgecarvajal5385]

amm no XD, that was back on days, but today a cheap deck can beat a expensive deck if u play well enought, but back on day goat and eddison if u dont have chaos deck, or black wing or some sort of 1000buck or more deck u just cant win@@justice8718 but today a 50 buck deck can beat a 500 deck, but also yes broken cards are wherever on yugi at same point when broken cards are now just part of the game and we watch that like normal

[@mairain6443]

I personally think siding makes the game actively worse in a lot of formats. game 1 will be a good match, games 2 and 3 will be whomever gets their blow out cards wins. if there was no siding your deck would need to contain the counters making it pop off less or you would just risk losing against certain match ups. Pokemon for example doesn't have side decking, so you would play a manaphy which protected your bench from snipe damage because one of the best draw engine pokemon had a massive snipe attack against 2 cards, this meant you choose between running it or risking giving 2 prize cards away, (1/3 of the total). it limits deck building if you want protection but you can choose to forgo it and just run full engine. A best of 3 Yugioh might see completely different decks being meta as the best would likely be the decks which can run the most non-engine or have the most diverse lines to accomplish their goals

[@MrSyltphademus]

So you want the RNG to be in matchmaking as opposed to the actual drawing itself?

[@mairain6443]

@@MrSyltphademus Not at all, siding as i stated before in most formats just ends up as putting blow out cards into your deck. I am saying play more versatile cards which might not be the most optimal but gives you access to different lines to play through your opponents board. We have seen top players use less optimal cards but get top 4 or win tournaments because they played a card that works better into different match ups, even if it means their end board is slightly weaker. It would still be a best of 3, so you get to see what they're playing and can work out different or better lines. it's just deck building would change because you either run the blow out for match ups you're bad against but might not see, or build around it with more niche cards, which weakens your end board but gives you a better follow up play or easier push or you just build it normally and lose based on match up, that's up to the player.

[@Wortigon2000]

Welcome to True King of All Calamities. Alternatively, to Hot Red Dragon Archfiend King Calamity. Those cards can invalidate your opponent's turn in general, let alone their opinion.

[@matiasarvino8301]

Watching this and then assuming people said "my format is better", "my game is better", etc Sounds like in the end is the winner is Konami, not the player... people keep talking about it, keep buying their card and playing their game... the winner literally not the market, but the Konami itself

[@christopherpho9424]

I just want Maxx C back because "why not?" Like damn, Konami banned all the stun cards like Mystic Mine and all the floodgates to 1 (besides anti-spell and skill drain) that truly stop wombo combo. I just want to see how bad the game truly can be. Hell, Snoww was back for a weekend, lets go hog wild.

[@raykirushiroyshi2752]

1:58 maybe its just me but i didn't find playing on db to be THAT hard. Tldr: it has weaknesses and strength so in the end it gets balanced out. Yeah you can make illigal plays there but you can also repair gamestates relatively easy,so it kinda balances out. Also you dont really have to remember the restrictions on your card, muscle memory knows the combos so as long as any of the player catches it on time its fine. Of course some decks are harder to pilot on automatic sims like tear but they aren't that easy to play in automatic simulators either so its fine

[@jorgecarvajal5385]

team aps are master of be clowns XDD, i play magic, well idk on big comunity but on locals nearly all people play both, even other tcg and they dont complain about that

[@daveclarke1990]

"Are OCG players playing objectively a worse game?" Kids, stop fighting, both formats are terrible

[@MIGZ_565]

I thought you quit yugioh?

[@Blizz3112]

No, he quit Master Duel...

[@Mighty-Eight]

This will be a long winded answer just letting you know: When it comes to Modern Format, Master Duel is the Superior Format. I don't care what people say because of Maxx "C" (The Bug fucking stays, its a necessary evil that is needed for modern games). Master Duel gets constantly updated and Maintained, cards get updated, and Banlist more importantly gets updated on time. If there is a Meta that gets too toxic, I can always wait a Month before it gets better by Bannings, Limits, and Semi-Limits (Yes, Semi-Limits matter). Even when New cards come out and might soon get problematic it WILL get hit before it even comes out (Bystials and Kashtira come to mind when they were coming out). When It's Physical Cards, I don't play TCG anymore as The Banlist has been trash and continues to be trash as decks have been at full Power for far too long, Multiple FTK's appear far too often (The year of 2018 was the last straw for me), and there aren't as many Crucifixion banlist that are necessary for the sake of balance. It sucks for me as I love Playing card games in person and meeting people as I have played this game as a kid and played soooo many Formats (From OG, GX, 5D's, Zexal, Arc-V and Vrains Era, I've played through them all High or low). When a Card Game gets lazy (TCG Wise) in balancing and not updating the game, giant gaps seep through for unfair games and matches that don't get fun, boring, and kill the Meta as it falls to Option A or B (sometimes maybe a C) Decks, that feel and play nearly the same and becomes stale.

[@raykirushiroyshi2752]

How is the bug a necessary evil? Yeah it helps weaker decks to win and it punishes crazy combo decks,except even those decks can play it and rip all the benefits. The real problem with maxx c is that 1. Its game winning if it resolves 2. There's no downside to playing it

[@Karmitify]

Dawg no offense but this is the most brain rotted pants on head take I’ve ever seen, and that’s not even mentioning the bug.

[@Karmitify]

I had to return to rot my own brain, you mean to tell me after you stopped playing 5 years ago the current TCG banlist isn't healthy? When's the last FTK that has shown up since then? Currently at the moment there are so many decks that are reasonable, you have active back and forth that you're encouraged to play what you thoroughly enjoyed, and that is the most apparent with Joshua Shmidt winning the last YCS with a deck he chose because he enjoyed. Hell I topped my last large regional with Marincess of all things.Try the current meta genuinely before looking like a boomer, dawg. Even then not sure what kind of take is thinking Maxx "C" is reasonable, you cry about FTKs, and even in mid-range decks that card can and will be an FTK.

[@kimjung-un8204]

​@Karmitify man your really butthurt on an opinion. Almost like what Paul said is true 😅

[@Karmitify]

@@kimjung-un8204 not really, hate discrepancies in arguments, but by all means elaborate on how you feel Paul’s take is applicable.

[@zerocalvin]

i would argue that best of one format actually make the game harder because you dont have the safety net of side deck... which means your deck need to be flexible and ready to deal with many other deck type... so if your deck is a one trick pony, you'll lose often in master duel..

[@Skebaivis]

That would be true in a tournament setting. What happens on ladder, however, is that everybody plays decks that has the best chance of a blowout (either through floodgates or nearly unbreakable boards). If you dont draw your blowout stuff, you just move on to the next game, there's no serious penalty to losing unlike in a tournament. And as long as you maintain a positive winrate, you will rank up.

[@Zahok1]

You keep saying Maxx C ends games. And yeah thats fair, but thats basically the only thing a player going second has to have a chance. In the meta that first player locks you out for good, how is a cancer card that stops them the real issue? I dont get it. I hate the card, but I hate the type of game yugioh is now even more.

[@Rednu]

because first turn players can also have maxx c, drop it on the second turn, and solidify their already massive lead. Maxx "C" would be fine if it only was available to a second turn player, but that's not the case. Every deck uses it, each player has the opportunity, and if second turn player doesn't have it, but has board breakers and gets maxx c'd, they're screwed. Maxx "C" doesn't end games, but it swings the momentum and advantage so much so that successfully resolving it often means victory.

[@elin111]

@@Rednu It's funny how Maxx C defenders never ever try to think "what if Maxx C is used against me" and never have a response to being told that.

[@m7md_mns923]

you're being more toxic than the yugioh community

[@LuciferArc1]

There was nothing toxic in this video. It was just an in depth analysis on different perspectives. Was the opposite of toxic imo

[@Manaward]

Just because someone criticizes or has an opinion about something doesn't make it toxic, Brohammed.

[@bruhbro4101]

Agreed. He's been like that lately lol

[@LuciferArc1]

@bruhbro4101 this is a dumb take. You didn't watch the video. This comment was also posted just minutes after the video was posted. So neither did the original commenter

[@bruhbro4101]

@@LuciferArc1 i just simply don't care