Redrawing Disney Villains in Coloring Books

What if Mother Gothel WASN’T the villain in the Rapunzel story? I’m transforming another coloring book to turning a Disney villain into a hero… but this time, I might have taken things too far!
Other villains who've had makeovers in my "Uncorruping Coloring Books" series:
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[@ScorpionOpal]

I love the absolute deep dive into the lore and history of this story and Mother Gothel! I think it's brilliant and so creative with the direction you took this piece :D

[@amandafrancis4090]

Fascinating story behind Mother Gothel. I like how you've captured her, not only in the Disney version, but expertly blended in her historical version as well. Bravo! Next, could you do Scar, from Lion King?

[@Narra0002]

That would be fun

[@radhikamaddali9794]

yes please Sarah

[@kairithebeat]

I remember when I read the original story, I also felt the same way about the parents. Yes, I know it is a story, but I do think it is funny that it never occurred to the husband/dad to go directly to the fairy and ask if he could buy the rapunzel for the salad or even work in the garden to earn some. It just baffled me how it instantly went to 'Oh let me just steal them' sorry but no telling what she would have grown up around thinking was alright when you have a mom who can't be told no and a dad who steals. Anyway I was glad when Disney went their own path with this one, because there is just a lot with the original. 😝

[@SangriaDracul]

That's what I always thought too!

[@dessertthingy]

I really like her as an ogress, and it's definitely staying true to the original story while still giving her a happy ending. I also enjoyed learning about the previous stories about her and Rapunzel.

[@littleDutchie92]

I love this version of mother Gothel! Nice picture! I wonder what you could do with Cruella de Vil!!

[@gracyloupicard]

I LOVE not only Ogre Gothel, but all the info from the original stories. You did a beautiful job! This video was so interesting, it FLEW by! I was NOT surprised though that the story has the prince falling in love with Rapunzel at 15. I just watched Disney's Sleeping Beauty again, and she meets the prince and they fall for each other on her 16th birthday.

[@annmariebarreiroart]

I think this represents the true mother gothel and I am so happy with hearing the history of this character! I hope you do this with more villains even if they don't look like the Disney version in the end!

[@sherrijennings9309]

I LOVED your twist on Mother Gothel. On asking someone if they're pregnant, I was waiting at the school gate to pick up my daughter, chatting to another mum who I knew well enough to ask how the thing they went to on the weekend went, but wouldn't expect she would confide in me. Anyway, the weather was cold and she was wearing a hoodie with a big pocket on the front, but just something about her looked pregnant, so I asked. Of course she said no, and I was sooooo embarrassed!!! but she wasn't offended -luckily!!! About a week later she was waiting at the school gate with a baby girl in her arms. Given our previous conversation, I asked if she was babysitting. She said no, the baby is hers. She didn't know she was pregnant when I asked her!!!! Not suggesting you are pregnant or anything, you just reminded me of that story.

[@SarahRenaeClark]

What a bizarre situation!

[@melodyjoycary]

That's wild! I JUST had a baby and had the opposite happen. A week before I had her, I had two people at church ask if I'd had the baby already, and I was like, "Umm... no..." I felt HUGE, so I wasn't sure how they weren't sure but I guess the big hoodie I was wearing hid things more than I realized! I also stick by this rule to NEVER ask a woman if she's pregnant. I had a friend who very much looked pregnant but I didn't ask and later found out she was NOT, so I saved myself a lot of embarrassment there... Always better to be safe than sorry!

[@FiliaStellae]

ok i didn't expect you would shrek-tify her but omg your design works so well i love it 😍 when it comes to the Disney-version i think the only way Gothel would work as a kind person would be that she steps in after the death of Rapunzel's mum. maybe as an auntie or something similar to be a female person of trust for the girl.

[@niveen6039]

i would love to see you transform a princess into a villan

[@PegzieBean]

I loved how far you dug into the history of the original story. I think you did amazing with showing her original character!

[@sallytreloar6425]

We use the Mother Gothel song Mother Knows Best in a course for women who have been in abusive relationships. It is such a good example of how control and manipulation can be used in relationships. Loved this explanation of the story and love love the end result.

[@melindarivera6598]

I really loved the deep dive into the history of this story! I would love to see this done with more characters!

[@sweethaven5]

14:42 Love the Color Cubes!! The Frugal Crafter has hers on display! I ❤ mine!!

[@Anna-if7by]

I think she forgot that it is a Disney movie and I think she dug so far she went back to when Rupunzel was a regnant teeeeeen😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤

[@16taysia]

Hi Sarah! Did you know that the ORIGINAL version of mother Gothel and Rapunzel as I know it is actually Barbie as Rapunzel (2001)?? 😅love your art can't wait to see the final result!! 😊❤

[@sarahkwast1250]

This is the best possible redemption for a truly misunderstood character. Not because of her behavior but because her true story is not being told. She is literally living a life based on lies and deceit! Well done for not only giving her redemption, but also honoring her true story and giving her back her true form. ❤️❤️❤️

[@kitparker271]

Okay - the twist at the end! Into an ogre! Of course, it makes sense with the name “little parsley” - right? When I saw this video, before I clicked on it, I had NO idea where you were going, and I wasn’t sure I was going to like it. Disney Villains are usually complex, and Mother Gothel is a personal favorite (Mother knows best - great song). However, I am so impressed with your research! Those stories - both the Grimm version and the Italian version are amazing. I’m going to look up the Italian version today! Great job! Thank you for all of that work! Ursula (the Sea Witch) could be a great one as well, and Snow White’s step-mother - the fairest?? There’s got to be a story there!

[@damienglynn]

Adding the deepest lore back story for this art makeovers absolutely makes this vid! More of this. :)

[@EJaramillo]

You definitely need to do more of these. I’d also love to see your spin on corrupting as well.

[@Rutanachan]

When I saw the picture of your redesign I thought "What was she thinking???", but now, with all your thoughts behind it, it's really awesome :D I love how you dug through all the stories and combined them!

[@jadeanderson2213]

Please make this a series! This was so interesting and fun to watch! Absolutely loved it ❤

[@whatalsaid]

In Tangled: The series, Gothel DOES have a daughter of her own...who she quickly abandons once she steals Rapunzel from the King and Queen.

[@nerd26373]

You're such a talented artist. Keep inspiring more people to be more creative/artistic like you.

[@solidamber]

The brothers Grimm did not write the fairy tales, they gathered folk stories that where only passed on by mouth, and put them to paper, thats why there are so many different versions of a similar story, they had to choose and adapt best they could.

[@charlarp]

I love how you deep dive into the origin of the story. 💕

[@midnightfoxy3026]

From what I have heard, The Grimm brothers traveled the world collecting stories for their book. They just merged stories that were similar. That's probably why their story doesn't fully fit the original but very closely does. By the way, love the transformation you made. I genuinely liked it more than I was expecting.

[@rauchschwalbelp7693]

What do you mean "the original"? Brothers Grimm were often the first ones to write down these stories because not many people were able to write and read back then. Yes, they travelled across the country to gather stories. But what is "the original" in your eyes? Disney just took fairytales and made them kid-friendly, these are not originals. They often had a grim ending (pun intended).

[@aussiecrafter]

I hear you on the pregnancy presumption thing 😠 I like where you took this and the research into the true back story. 👍👍

[@deltahillcreative]

Not too far AT ALL!! I loved the deep-dive into the history of the Disney-fied story and would love you to do the same with your future villain transformations.

[@IngunnWanderer]

Finally, another one of these videos!! What an amazing notification on my phone to wake up to! :D Although I was not prepared for the full recap of the Grimm version of the story over breakfast. I wonder - but don't want to know :P - what on earth was going on in their heads when they wrote all those horrible stories! :O And to think that someone actually wrote an even worse version than that ...? Makes you wonder if the Grimm brothers were just trying to make it more child friendly XD But it was really cool that you dug up the Italian Rapunzel story - honestly I didn't even know Rapunzel was a Grimm story, so I had no clue of the story's origin. I had the Barbie version as my first, although I did always have a feeling that the story was inspired from some other fairytale, I just didn't know who wrote it. But I agree with you, the Disney version of the villain is the best, and on behalf of all those people who realized their parents were actually abusive after watching Tangled, I'm so glad Disney did what they did with her as a character.

[@QueenofFlannelColors]

I was active duty when I was pregnant with my son. I was also relatively small through most of my pregnancy. When I was about 20 weeks, one of the older civilians at work asked “you’re like 12 weeks, right?” When I told him no, and how far along I was, he got wide eyed and was like “omg you’re so small. Is your baby ok?!” I ended up sitting in my car crying for like 45 minutes wondering if my baby was in fact ok. Contrast to a few months later, I took some leave, came back and everyone was like “damn, you got huge!” 😐 I’m sorry you even had to say anything about this in this day and age. I really enjoyed the deep dive into Mother Gothel, and how this page turned out ❤️

[@thoughtfulwatcher]

If you ever need a quick place to begin a deep dive on disney origin stories, I recommend the creator jon solo. It's his specialty, and can set you in the right direction for more research. With that out of the way, I love your art! I think it's just right and that you manage to incorporate the vast changes of this classic story over many centuries. Undoubtedly people from the 1800s would have used it completely different than somebody from the new millennium. I mean how many of us can actually keep a straight face? Let's just yeet our kid because my baby mama can't go without her fairy salad! That's not ridiculous at all...

[@larissapienaar2436]

People in the 1800s were not yeeting their kids for salad either. It’s a story. Do you somehow believe we don’t make up ridiculous stories in 2023?

[@therecoveredcolorista]

I haven't seen Tangled at all but I loved the deep dive on Rapunzel and I am in love with your ogre Gothel!

[@andrysitaradejong5108]

This is probably my favorite of your videos and I’ve seen all of them! Sending ❤ 😊

[@deborahcorreale352]

OH WOW!!! I absolutely love the deep dive you did into this story and telling it along with your coloring!

[@mewsli]

Sarah, you not only are an artist, your also a detective and a storyteller. When is your first novel hitting the presses? Oh, oh, oh, something similar to a child's story that you can colour in with pencils or any medium ? Yes, I know its been done before, but not with an Australian twist.

[@PinkElfHSP]

You didn't go too far with this. Where else could I see a well done original creation like Ogre Gothel?

[@SangriaDracul]

I'm late for this one (new baby won't give me time to watch anything anymore lol but I'm slowly catching up!) I never watched Untangled but I remember having a Disney book when I was a kid with the old version of Rapunzel. I remember Mother Gothel being a witch and the dad stealing a bunch of vegetables and in the end when she found out about the prince she cut her hair short and sent her away to the forest and when the prince went to the tower to visit her, Mother Gothel was the one that threw the braided hair to him. When he got to the top and saw the witch he got so scared he fell down into a bunch of thorns and went blind. He finds Rapunzel in the forest and her tears heals his eyes. I love your version and all this lore about Petrosinella and how you changed it to fit that story!

[@beckymunro2071]

I really enjoyed the deep dive into the history of this story, and with that and your own imagination, you did a great job. This was very entertaining and your drawing/colouring is once again fantastic.

[@undynlicia7554]

Actually, Disney Gothel did once have a child of her own, as revealed in the canon ‘Rapunzels Tangled Adventure’ (Major spoilers for the series ahead) The child was abandoned when Gothel stole Rapunzel, and found by the head of the Royal guard, who took her in as his own, the child eventually forgot about Gothel, and how she was abandoned, and once Rapunzel returned to the kingdom, she ended up as her lady in waiting, and the two became close friends. However, the child, named Cassandra, always felt like Rapunzel had always gotten more, a sentiment shared in songs sung by Cassandra, such as ‘waiting in the wings’ and ‘crossing the line’, and once she found out that her birth mother, Gothel, had abandoned her for Rapunzel, she became bitter and resentful. There’s much more to the story than that, and I highly suggest that you watch the series, it’s really good!

[@laurieb348]

This video was amazing!! You’re a great story teller and I absolutely LOVE your humor

[@ashleyw23]

Thank you for going above and beyond for these videos it's so entertaining and i absolutely love seeing what you turn each character into! 💜

[@gracegoff5209]

What if Shrek had his aunt? Aunt Petrosinella: Hello there, Shrek.

[@kryki_cha6206]

I love the ride you took us on with this transformation! This is officially my favorite of the series.

[@amesstarline5482]

I like changing her to an Ogre, especially a Shrek-inspired Ogre. It fits how both Shrek and Tangled are twists on fairy tales. Plus, Shrek's theme is about finding your own beauty, rather than just relying on conventions.

[@beckybanta126]

Thank you for your research time & beautiful picture. Loved the history behind this picture. I could listen to your story telling for a long time. Your picture is enchanting & color blending the tops! Thank you muchly!

[@sunflowereditss]

This is so funny seeing how you react to this because at a young age I read this book that was given to me in a pack of books we would read each week and I didn’t realize how weird it was I was just like: “hmmm interesting “

[@keyaniriche6324]

i can't believe how complex this story is

[@aliceaiken3162]

People asking if you are pregnant is very invasive. I'm sorry you went through that.

[@saragulbe833]

If she was kind and caring, she would take care for her own daughter, which she abandoned to kidnap Rapunzel.

[@lraihly]

There are retellings where Rapunzel’s mother was actually the selfish one, possibly narcissistic, the father a victim of the mother, and Mother Gothel protected Rapunzel from the toxic family and lack of love for her own.

[@belimandziuk2561]

I loved the research you did to do this, so brilliantly done!

[@mylittlevowels]

I laughed so hard at your retelling of the fairy tale that I had a coughing fit, thanks Sarah 😂

[@bellissimoa]

I love this back story and the research you provided for your viewers. It showed lots of creativity on your end. Beauty and the Beast?

[@TheMightyJennifer]

I love her!! That was fun, and I learned something lol next maybe the wicked witch of the east?

[@Erlianes]

I do think this is a good transformation, I love going back to the roots personally! That Lady Tremaine page on the other side of Mother Gothel makes me really want to see a hero Lady Tremaine!

[@novemberninth4392]

I did NOT expect this video to take this direction lol. Amazing as always though!

[@Lyeah73]

That transformation is amazing!!! I love the old story best!

[@alisonjohnston488]

Love what you did and the research was so interesting to learn

[@sweetpea7715]

Love the story, I think you did an awesome drawing. Keep going. As a child I loved cinderella, as I felt like her.

[@beepbeepboopboop3822]

if anyone loves these types of stories from the Grimm brothers, and you like musicals, I highly recommend Into The Woods! The original Broadway show is on KZbin, and it has a few different tales, including Rapunzel, little red riding hood, Jack and the beanstalk, and Cinderella! They're all much closer to the Grimm brothers tales, and even get intertwined. There's also the movie on Disney plus. Hope anyone who sees this likes the musical/movie

[@danielastuff9529]

Love the Original story. You have not overdone it! Maybe you could do the fox and the cat from Pinocchio. Although they are not true villains they sure are masters of mischief and I feel they deserve a alternative reality

[@GBunnyG]

I love everything about this.

[@darkrandom9947]

I remember hearing the fairy version as a kid. I don't remember where I heard it but I remember the babies and the prince being blinded.

[@joannjudd870]

Beautifully done!

[@fayenightshade6119]

The comparison of the different Rapunzel- Stories was so interesting :o I don't recognize the Disney Gothel anymore, but I think this is okay, in consideration of the varity in the different Stories :D

[@ameenoahmad]

This is really brilliant

[@mirandaperkins3244]

I wanna see all the villains I loved this!!

[@maylynncupp6653]

You did an amazing transformation job on her I think you need to create your own color books tyfs.

[@novemberninth4392]

Just like how Disney made a movie focusing on Maleficent and Cruella de Vil, I'd love a movie focusing on Gothel, now that I think about it!

[@wandaXmaximoff]

OMG! How rude of people asking if you’re pregnant. After my second child I gained a lot of weight and had two different people ask if I was pregnant. But TWELVE!! That’s beyond rude and I’m sorry you had to deal with that. 💜💜💜💜

[@danielasimoes1776]

I loveee this transformation! 🤩🤩❤️

[@Father_of_Death]

So. "Into the Woods" is more faithful than "Tangled"? Interesting.

[@daisyheart2814]

Well, the garden was magic and made her purposely want that specific Rapunzel/Greens. She wasn’t dramatic, it was magic. But yeah- good story, coloring.

[@christinapook1213]

I just love this idea and your colouring is amazing! I enjoyed learning more about Gothel too. I think a Cruella de Vil transformation would be fun. Maybe at some point also turning Disney princesses/characters into villains.

[@goddessvixen3486]

Art Therapie’s Grand Bloc Méchants is a great 1-sided villains coloring book.😊

[@Happinosis]

What a beautiful piece of art. I love your interpretation ❤

[@Cyberia398]

TLDR: great video & fairytales are great! Love your work. Good examination of the underlying horror of the fairytale. Inspired by your analysis, I read both the first and last version of the Rapunzel stories in German - I never really realised that various versions were available. The latest one - without the premarital sex - is definitely the version I grew up with. I spend some years in my late teenage years reading every fairytale book i could get my hands on, particularly the German ones. Interestingly the German fairytale is/was a specific genre of fiction and not really aimed just at children. They were also not all stories collected by Grimms out of oral story telling traditions. The Grimms Bros collected ‘Volksmärchen’ (folk tales), while the authored stories are known as ‘Kunstmärchen’ (literally: art fairy tales). There are some great German fairytales written by authors like Goethe and, my favourite, Wilhelm Hauff, for example. The Nutcracker is a great story by ETA Hoffmann. Particularly folk tales are so much darker and horrific than any Disney movie could cope with. I really love the genre. The banishment of young women with children, dismemberment, bones that speak, etc are recurring tropes in stories that are captured from oral delivery. My great grandmother used to tell us some scary ones from her Transylvanian childhood, involving wolves etc. we used to love hearing the gore. Some years ago I heard an interview with a children’s book author who first framed my understanding of the role of these stories for me: they are a safe way to experience horror, build an emotional repertoire - of fear and resilience but also empathy and kindness. The act of listening and digesting fuels and builds imagination. The author (whose name I have forgotten) very movingly told of working with young offenders in a reading program and discovering that most of them had never had any stories read to them and simply did not have the ability to imagine situations - they didn’t have the empathy to think about how they would affect other people. I honestly think it’s a bit sad that people’s understanding of fairytales comes mostly from Disney versions of Grimms. There’s so much more to them… and don’t get me started about how interesting fairy tales from other cultures are. The one thing they have in common, though, is major plot holes - as you so eloquently point out! So, suspension of disbelief is definitely required to enjoy the stories (at least at first- then you can go ahead and dissect the politically incorrect, sexist, racist horrific mess that is built into these stories and speaks directly to the time and place these stories were written and created). Sorry about the length of this comment. I just love fairytales.

[@malinf6654]

I don’t know what it says about my age but as much as I love Disney’s versions of old folk tales. Sometimes they really twist them around. Maybe they decide to make her a princess cause it fancy more little girls? Even though my favourite is Beauty and the Beast the Disney version is very very far from the original one. The original is more fairy tale-ish. With symbols of three etc. Love that you dug this deep into the history of Rapunzel. Mother Gothel witch/sorceresse/fairy/ogresse looks so stunning as pregnant, she is radiant. ❤❤❤❤

[@Father_of_Death]

Yes, but if you look at the source material for "Beauty and the Beast" Disney did a complete reverse. Their adaptation is actually darker and edgier, especially since the original story doesn't have Gaston and Belle isn't an only child with just her father.

[@patriciajaynebavas7118]

The Brothers Grimm version is the one I grew up with. Not having seen Tangled I have no idea about the Disney version. Love the transformation .

[@Littlewings1211]

I recommend it. It's a typical sanitised Disney version with songs and cutesy characters, but it's actually quite a lot of fun to watch.

[@karenritter2574]

I love the Tangled version, but the ogre take I never knew of. Perhaps she uses the power to hide that side of herself. A what if or remake with the ogre would be interesting to say the least.

[@lillylunarose1313]

You should do captain hook next

[@micaela711]

This was nothing like I expected it but I love it!

[@KarensTinyCarCamper]

I love all your history and the way it turned with her as an ogre is the best!

[@emmawheeler4624]

i love this, definitely did not go too far! so interesting and i feel she has been redeemed!

[@jenniferjohnson7277]

Would love to see your take on Madam Mim from the Sword in the Stone or Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame!

[@blooelmo]

Hiya, aloha, hola, and happy day! Wonderful narration and storytelling! Lol soul for a salad? 🤣😂 With parents like that what kid needs enemies?? I really really like the rich background, it caught my eye first, I think it’s so deep and dramatic. Beautiful! And the transformation is complete and looks great! Lol the eyes are very joyfulish? You did an awesome job, and turning her into an ogre was the best inspiration, most perfect, and a super enjoyable surprise! Also, I was today years old when I learned there is a plant called rapunzel. Lol Thanks so much for another fun, world escaping video. Be well all, and chipper cheerios!

[@Leartin]

Imagine the Disney Remake based on the Grimms Version, but with a black Rapunzel and black prince 😅

[@maulmopsmaus9091]

I really like this version. 😀 I'm curious how Scar turned out if he wasn't a villain. Just a good caring uncle. Don't caring about the throne. A loving uncle who would not have been given the name "garbage" by his parents. (yes, Scars first name was "Taka". Its swahili and means "garbage".) He needs one of your make overs! would love to see this.

[@kittycatmeowmeow963]

You mean Swahili (I have a friend from Tanzania; I know how the language is spelled).

[@maulmopsmaus9091]

@@kittycatmeowmeow963 okay. Then Swahili.

[@therecoveredcolorista]

​@@kittycatmeowmeow963 you seem to show up everywhere. Why?

[@Hauraunah]

Also, if Mufasa was a better brother and demanded the kingdom treat Scar with the same respect as a prince as they treated him as King. Laos, if Mufasa didn't gas Simba up to show the same superiority to Scar. Mufasa never put Zazu or anyone in their place for talking down to Scar, but he was always ready to growl at Scar and demand of him. I personally think that's what pushed him. Scar was sad about the throne but he didn't just snap and decide to take it. I firmly believe that what you said and Mufasa being a garbage and arrogant sibling are what contributed to it.

[@silverhoney6969]

I had an idea - if mother Goethel is good, then maybe in this reality a thief stole the baby (to try ransom ?) and Mother goethel found/ grabbed the baby & not knowing where is came from, raised it. (She was an elderly lady, and slowly grew younger as she raised the baby. Maybe handing a child around brought out the youth in her? But as the child gets older - mother goethel gets younger. not understanding the strange glow from Rapunzel’s hair, but knowing that any bandit or merchant would try to take her and use this magic for ill gains, mother gothel moved into the tall tower to hid her magic away to protect her. Too bad there wasn’t word that far from home about the missing princess)

[@linnetkazemi7616]

This may have been my favorite video of yours!! So fun to watch!!! I’d say Darth Vader next, but we already know his story!

[@daniellesmith6719]

I love the transformation. What's the Caran D'ache pencils? I haven't heard of them until now.

[@WillinrowArts]

I really enjoyed this video. Great storytelling of the history of mother Gothel.

[@silverhoney6969]

This is such a fun idea!! Love to watch you color and learn so much from your channel 😊 I love how this is like a double hero transformation video. you not only turned into a hero /opposite version of herself but also turned her into another hero/ crossover theme - aka Fiona with the ogre true form backstory.

[@artandmorewithrachelnicole]

Love your channel always 💕

[@tarab7773]

The best Rapunzel movie was in the Fairy Tale theater series. I believe it featured Shelly Duvall. Super creepy:) highly recommend

[@slateportraichu5416]

How deep is the lore/!It was so interesting to listen=) Thank you! Love the end result! Such a clever solution=)

[@kendravanwesemael6863]

Woow I didn´t know that version. I love the Barbie version to of Rapunzel

[@CardboardHut]

Bravissima!!! I love this,deep dive and all! Not gonna lie, that Lady Tremaine picture next door looks like it'll be fun to transform. I'm also interested in seeing your take on Yzma

[@CardboardHut]

And Hades!!! He seems to me the kindest of Greek Gods. Disney did him dirty (but I do so love his Disneyfied character as well)!

[@babyotter885]

Mentioning how Mother Gothel had to have raised Rupunzel for years and how maybe she wanted to be a mother but didn't know how reminded me of a small conversation I had seen once about Tangled and the scene where Mother Gothel turns down Rupunzels request to see the lanterns but agrees to go get the paints. And also at the same or another point (it's been a min since I've seen the movie) where Mother Gothel mentions a food that's a favorite of Rupunzel's. It was mostly just to comment on the fact that Mother Gothel could recognize and retain favorite things of Rupunzel's and even would go a long way to get her something. Of course these can be seen as reasons to keep her happy or at least placate which are important to keeping her locked in a tower being easier on her but at the same time it's not necessary and she could have been a lot more hostile and in part kept turning down her requests or bring up some sort of alternative to going far away for a day(s) for paints I think I lost a little of the comment rambling but it was overall something interesting that I think about when Tangled is brought up. I certainly think she's more in the wrong than in the right, but I do think there's quite a chance that Mother Gothel did have some sort of genuine, but misguided affection for Rupunzel. I don't know how or if at all she could be redeemed within the story (if she lived) but I think outside of the story if she became a mother, through birthing a child or acquiring one in a less stealing sort of way she'd be a pretty good one