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[@kingjulian1549]

I must say you guys nail the car guy chatter. It feels like I'm sitting with my mates at the pub talking cars. All the same things that irritate you do the same with me.

[@ReDriven]

Stoked you enjoy it mate. Cheers!

[@Thisonegoestoeleven666]

Can we organise a pub day with you chatting about cars? That would be rad. And car pub trivia. Should host one.

[@ReDriven]

We're hoping to organise a cars and coffee early next year. Hopefully we can get some people along

[@tomasaro4910]

@@ReDriven Hi guys! I know that you like box-shaped cars. Can you do a used review on the Kia Soul GT? A fun box-car with 200 horsepower.

[@GavMac-es3du]

Boys are just doing what they love. Dream job!

[@mrmaestrom]

Poor Jim having to tell us all the cars that are funding his kids’ private school education.

[@iamtuzii]

thats every mechanic i know

[@timw2083]

People will continue to buy Land Rovers and Benz regardless of reviews... and Jim's kids will benefit 😂😂😂

[@Thisonegoestoeleven666]

Jim's too smart to waste his money on private schooling. He has track cars to fund godammit!😉

[@mrblonde2013]

And because of bad quality expensive vehicles that people keep on buying and that i have to fix, all my kids will be doctors and lawyers and live in a big house...with a pool...😂😂😂

[@SLOP_JOCKS]

​@mrblonde2013 me absolutely seething in my massively depreciated chrysler crossfire 👀knowing damn well I'll be paying too much for parts 👀

[@kevinbarry71]

The most unreliable Volkswagen engine ever? That is quite an accomplishment; just think of the competition!

[@TheRealTanSeeker]

Too funny! You mentioned G Wagons as I entered the M4 tunnel. Before I hit Anzac Bridge, a G Wagon flew past me at +60km/hr swerving lanes. Mate, its 5pm we went over Anzac Bridge together ya in that traffic 😅

[@DiscoFang]

In the Sport SUV village of idiots, the X6M is the village idiot! hahaha So well put Jim!!

[@allanatkins1461]

BMW X6. The answer to the question that nobody ever asked.

[@Orvieta]

X6M has been bested by the XM by now. Both are still terrible.

[@davidroscoe3815]

@@allanatkins1461 You should own one first or at least drive it. I have the X4m amazing vehicle the looks are subjective I agree but as far as practicality best M vehicle I have owned, Owned a few. Performance is spectacular but the wife can take it shopping too, it is ideal as an every day run around. Just my opinion mind.

[@benjaminbuffin9812]

I picked up my NC Mx5 yesterday. I’ve gotta say it is just brilliant. Thank you guys for your video. I’ve watched it 15 times❤

[@mattthambirajahpt286]

Lucky bugger!

[@lowend5566]

I got my MX5 ND2 a couple of months ago. Pure joy.

[@johannesmothiba9056]

Im from south africa trust me this is truly useful..it made me realise car is only to take me from point "A" to "B" n must b reliable thats it.❤

[@jamescresswell1532]

I’m amazed that no Subaru graced this list, given my Impreza WRX ownership experience, but I guess that’s because Peugeot, Mazda and price inflation were there to save the day!

[@Totoroallright]

Subaru one of the best car. I've owned one for 10 years no problem . 300kw daily

[@rdmz135]

Just get an EJ20 and you're good. It's the 25 that's a bit iffy.

[@trn8061]

​@@rdmz135built right, they're both reliable.

[@tuned8088]

Hate for subies is so undeserved. I’ve had one in the past and everyone I talked to was like “just wait till that head gasket blows”. Never once had any issues and I thrashed that thing up to 300,000 kms redlining my shifts half the time. The main issue with WRX is that most people who had them were teenagers who drove exactly like me when I was a teenager, and then do stupid mods. Unmodified/modified properly and treated with at least a good bit of maintenance and care and they run forever, plus such a treat to drive.

[@PXTCH590]

Especially considering subaru beat both lexus and toyota in terms of reliability this year.

[@bigfich123]

After having a MK7 R many years ago and now a Facelift 8V.2 Audi S3 sedan, the EA888 AWD combo is great. My MK7 R did do the water pump but it was an early 2014/5 model otherwise I had no issues. I did recently consider the MK7.5 R wagon and think this is one of the best daily sporty AWD turbo wagons on the market. I did consider many other cars but the Golf R drive train in a facelift Audi S3 sedan just made the most sense.

[@Chris0-58]

On the coupé-SUV things, don't forget the Mercedes GLE and GLC coupés. Over here in Kenya, there're several in used car dealers' yards and are being bought. I don't understand why a person would pay more for a coupé-SUV thing than the wagon variant and still look hideous while at it. Can you review the Suzuki Ignis please?

[@GlenB1963]

As an Aussie, there is nothing more satisfying watching 2 guys in the know, put shit on everyone and everything from overseas. I've mainly been a Ford man, but have owned several Subaru's, and I just love them. I had a liberty B spec wagon with the 2.5 turbo. Nothing ever went wrong with it, and it went like shit off a shovel. I currently own a piece of shit, jacked up with big tyres, SH Forester, and it is such a great offroader that I don't care about cosmetically. Toss up between my 3 favourites being FG Falcon with barra 6 and 6 speed auto, XY 4WD Falcon ute, and XB GT351 manual, all super reliable and awesome in their own right. It seems the advice is to buy an old classic that you enjoy, and watch it appreciate in value. Modern cars are shit, with the exception of a Mazda MX 5 or a BRZ. probably the only 2 I'd buy now. Thanks, guys. Great video. Had a shit load of fun watching it.

[@johnphaceas7434]

Great yarn mate and totally agree that pretty much all "modern" cars are shit (only thing I'd trust would last now is a small-engined Toyota). I'm an Alfa guy but also have a soft spot for Subies and recently bought a 22yo Outback as a daily commuter so I could give my GTA a break. Almost embarrassed to say it only cost me $1800 - for a 5sp manual with 4 months rego, perfect interior, 2" lift kit, bull bar, CB, and HD offroad tyres. Yeah it had +250,000km on it but ... everything (I mean everything) works, plus the PO replaced the timing belt and head gaskets (with MLS) and fitted a HD Exedy clutch about 25,000km before I bought it. Body is straight, even the clear coat is intact, and the last owner changed the oil every 5,000km. I'm able to service it myself - only real job still to do is replace the CV boots (I'll just replace both CV drive shafts myself over Xmas). I absolutely love it - to the point I now hardly ever want to drive the GTA ... (until I get in it and remember why I love that...). The missus is also on to her third Forester.

[@GlenB1963]

@ maybe I’ll see you up on Kgari some time. I love driving past bogged landcruisers and waving. 👋

[@brucemcnair2]

I had a r51 Mini Cooper S convertible. Cute, but amateur in its build quality. Hopped in the 2019 r57 version and bought it. Such a step up in build quality. Love it. 👍

[@joebot2127]

You buy a performance SUV because you're overweight or have a bad back and cant get into a lower car, but you still want to pass pensioners on the farm roads. That's it. I don't fit into this category, but I know people.

[@gustav32451]

Some can't have multiple cars but have a lot of money, so they buy the ultimate compromise. Or they just want/need to flex.

[@frednerk8366]

Utter bollocks. You know jack shit about why people by catrs.

[@murky2016]

@@gustav32451 How much rich people do you know that cannot own multiple cars? lol. The performance suv is just one of many in their collection.

[@assassino1002]

I bought a Tiguan R because I wanted performance, comfort, European styling and it’s a car I can fit 5 people in comfortably. Good for road trips, practicality etc. it’s an amazing car. Don’t shit on performance SUVs until you get to own one. I’ve owned 2 door sports cars and they get really annoying to daily after a while.

[@Thisonegoestoeleven666]

As a fast wagon owner (Octavia vRS), I'm loving the ranty pants in this vid. Champagne commentary boys. Agree 100%

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Agree with pretty much everything, sorry not to raise conflict. Jim is so right about "performance SUVs" NOT defying physics. And sorry, $250k for a Dodge? Even more mind blowing, than $100k for a Chevy. Cheers.

[@jrbuch]

Some really valid points guys. I enjoyed listening to this...Speaking of crap cars, I know a fella who only buys Peugots and bought both Peugots you discussed on this video.

[@Sandy-oy2lr]

As a C6 owner for the past 11+ years with 130Kmiles on it, there are 3 worth while recommendations I can make if one buys one with 100Kmi and over. 1) Wire in a Painless FP fuse/relay 30A relocation harness to loop out the under engineered 10A OE FP circuit. This due to eventual carbonization inside the fuse/relay block. 2) Switch over to non EMT Michelin PSS or 4S tires. 3) Get Koni sport shocks. The tires and shocks will utterly transform the car. And swap out all the HT ignition stuff and belts. I will say mine drives fantastically. No rattles, squeaks, moans, groans, etc. Just the normal noises of a car with stiff suspension. And if one can get their hands on one, I highly recommend the Z06. Post 2011 preferably. One other weak area are the HVAC actuators. Since the entire dashboard and console must come out to access them, I'd also recommend swapping out the A/C and heater cores. Which is what I had done.

[@Thisonegoestoeleven666]

Or you could just buy a decent car......

[@hippostalker52]

@@Thisonegoestoeleven666C6 vette id a great bargain in the states and Canada. Outside of NA I get but here you can get one for around $20k USD, parts are cheap, and they are quite reliable too!

[@sivuyiledumalisile6308]

I used to love the C63s W205 ( a small part of me still does), but after taking a close look at the Giulia Quad... Things changed. I like it more than its established German counterparts

[@token35]

I'm a fast wagon guy, have always loved them. The problem is the choice is so limited for new(ish) cars unless you want to go Euro brands. One reason I'm looking at SUVs now is because the wife hates not being able to see over all the other behemoth vehicles on the road. It's sad, but it's becoming a bit of the "If you can't beat them, join them" situation. If you want to go EV, also hardly any wagon choices... although the Denza Z9 is looking nice.

[@JBOsurf]

GREAT video. FYI, I was in Switzerland last year and I was surprised to see the overwhelming majority of the many 911s I saw were cabriolets. I saw so many I had to ask a few people. The same answer was given by all, and in the context of the location it was a very logical one. On a nice day in Switzerland, you can drop the top and see the mountain peaks as you drive. With a coupe, you have to crane your neck to look out the top of the windscreen or side windows. Makes sense!

[@ravipeiris4388]

I would be happy if I only learned something from this channel but listening to Adam and Jim genuinely lifts up my spirits - I can appreciate that they don't take themselves too seriously ❤.

[@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641]

Did I miss the bmw x5 ? Only vehicle in 50 years of driving that I could not fix and sell on after a couple of years use. It went to the crusher, got the wrecker to call me when it was read to be "processed". I stood in a light drizzling rain and watched it getting crushed. Like witnessing an execution. It gave me a quantum of solace.

[@Muddicker]

I drove a Mini Mini Supercharged Mini 2003 Did 375000 km with no issues at all

[@torquethetalk]

I find quite ironic when mercedes decided to place a massive merc badge on the front of the car, that can been seen from a block away, they became lemon status .

[@claytonhayball4718]

Its a di$khead alert warning 😊

[@DoctorJay184]

1994 SW20 MR2 turbo owner here. Yes they are a pain to work on, but pretty much any owner works on their own car. It is not a car for the uninitiated both in the driving dynamics, and the concessions to ease of repair. They are SO good to drive though, and reward immensely on a track. They are particularly notable when similarly aged Nissans do 20% of the total laps at a track day that you have driven.You should definitely buy one, but set aside some money for a vehicle hoist also.

[@toddy4x4photography]

Only stumbled across your channel while researching Mazda 3 MPS. Really enjoying it to the point I'm now watching older stuff about cars I don't really even care about. Enjoying it so much that I went and ignored your advice and bought an MPS. Meticulously maintained so either a great idea or an expensive bit of short term fun. Time will tell.

[@waynejackson5090]

Gents, love the show, watching every episode since the beginning. As a suggestion for an episode, engine / drive train swaps. Keen to see what you would consider an engine swap into cars, in categories as you normally do. But has to be reasonable actual swap something that's possible that people could do as a project, and then get registered. And not just V8 swap everything. Improve the car for fun!. Just an idea, keen for your thoughts.

[@thatpersiandude7386]

18:42 as a glc43 owner you’re missing out on nice rattles and squeaks of that interior

[@liamturnbull7953]

100% agree about sports suv and non original convertible cars.

[@dw1508]

My Tuned Golf R wagon is never boring after all the upgrades ! But i agree with your comments in stock form

[@thatpersiandude7386]

i was never the biggest fan of Golfs but can’t beat the performance they provide for the money…. My mate bought apr stage 2 Mk7 golf r for 26k and did 11.8 at the drags after !!! just impressive

[@Zhuzhs]

If you're spending more than $70k or so on an RX7, you don't deserve whatever money you have..

[@BocaAtractivo82]

Always enjoyed all reviews of this channel.In regards to performance SUVs, those of us that choose it prefer not only as an all 4 seasons vehicle use, but also tired of the underbelly body panels/parts being rubbed,nicked,damaged and or scratched from uneven snow/ic roads wherein outside temperatures that dip below minus 40C, spreads salt and other rust encouraging chemical ice and snow melting properties on the roads.Another reason are countries that charge a stupendous amount on car insurance premiums where it isn't affordable to insure a 2 door performance sports cars or any 4 door performance sedans/SUVs - which leads buyers to only acquiring ONE all rounder performance SUV rather than 2 vehicles. For example, all 2 door vehicle (whether it be a hatch,wagon or some SUV are considered "sports car" in the eyes of insurace companies in Canada - ranging between $600- +$1K CDN a month to insure said vehicle within two of the most expensive provinces to live in.

[@dgs6315]

I had a mini cooper S cabrio for 5 years with no problems, fun to drive and solid quality- no rattling.

[@Sawubona2007]

Please don't ever, never ever ever buy a Maserati Ghibli. Ever.

[@chalachin4452]

No truer words ever spoken in auto universe.

[@dw1508]

@@Sawubona2007 but they should review one

[@bluearmy7690]

Why? Something wrong ?

[@joshbrookes6439]

Hard to believe on the WORST PERFORMANCE CARS LIST they leave out Absolute dogs like Maserati Ghibli but include Golf R, M5, GTR, RX7 and RS6? It's like WTAF boys?😆😆😆

[@andrevanstiphout]

Not a GT but personally driven from Melbourne to Brisbane and all my body parts still reacting normally is the BMW E39 M5. Super fun. A little heavy and thirsty but hey, who cares.

[@dijpurdy]

You guts are fantastic, I'm from the uk and i would'nt consider buying a car until I hear what you both say, you are absolutely awesome.

[@3UZFE]

Best duo act on KZbin. More content!

[@marknelson5929]

You guys rock! Re the R51 Cooper Mini - I met the man himself many years ago, John Cooper, when I lived in UK. He of course had nothing to do with these crap cars, just having his name being purloined/emblazoned/associated with these crap cars. He's rolling in his grave many times over - when you think of his 'Giant Killing' 60s Copper S types in European rallies and even the goodole Bathurst 500.

[@chriscowley7732]

Bloody great! Probably the only guys on the planet to showcase the great Australian tradition of rugged individualism. So many KZbinrs pussyfoot. I laughed my head off. You are right - and you are very knowledgeable. No idiot would buy a sports performance landrover. But they do! In droves!

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much mate!

[@andyossie]

I think it's because they rave about them in UK and think, "I've got the money for this and it's so nice so I just want one!" so they go out and buy it lol

[@caldinacube7490]

Heart breaking, Really Heart Breaking… but love the honesty gents

[@tomb8430]

Great video guys (as always)... 1) What I get from this is that Euro-trash is really a thing. I'm European born, so I think I have passage to say and agree with that. 2) Destroyed by association. Yep, totally get it. I live near the Canterbury-Bankstown area. Understand 100% of what you mean. These cars are thrashed like nobody's business. 3) Thanks for great content as always!

[@phillipruus1812]

I had a clio mk4 rs it was bullet proof never had an issue apart from cold side boost pipe split but was easy to remedy just an aftermarket replacement made from alloy which would never need replacing was just a design fault did 120000km just usual services and a gearbox service which manufacturer says isn't needed

[@scuderiaferrari2068]

I agree they are quite reliable.

[@andyossie]

I had the 172 when they first came out in 2001 and it was my most favourite car I've owned to date! Sadly I did a whoopsy and crashed it (clipped a gutter with the back wheel and bent the suspension components and set off airbags) and was classified as write off. 😥

[@RyanBerich-u1w]

It is my understanding that MINI never sold a R51 MINI. The first generation was the R50 for the lowest power ones, R52 for the convertible, and R53 for the hardtop. The R51 was intended to be a longer version. The R52 and R53 were the best MINIs ever made. They were far more reliable than the second generation and more fun to drive. Any reason you might have to dislike the first generation would be worse in the second generation.

[@jasonwest1343]

I agree the R53 is a great car with the supercharged tritec motor and Getrag box , easy to work on and big aftermarket support plus fun to drive.

[@theopunisher3021]

@@jasonwest1343 also agree the r53 is a great car, sometimes you have to put your hands on the engine but honestly that's always little things. at the end of the day it is not fast for today standard but what a great feeling they have, that supercharger give you the impression you could rev up to 10000rpm, it's a great car and in my opinion a future classic !

[@joshbrookes6439]

Yeah I don't recall an R51 but they were referring to the R52 R53 I've had several of both and never had a problem with any of them other than consumables.

[@telbor3378]

maybe the reason why you guys love wagons so much is because they are rare in australia :D they are very common in europe so they dont feel that special and in germany some people say that your last car will always be a wagon so enjoy the other chassis as long as you can xD

[@danielshinerock1526]

R35. I agree with them! Far better than the 34 33 32 etc. Handles a lot better and the engine is wonderful. RX7. Good car for its engine blowing up.

[@ziehmnkumane5861]

I own the X6 and I LOVE IT. 🤣🤣. Its the styling for me. It sets me apart from the rest and drive more sportier than the X5. Love your channel

[@klima11111]

I drive a CLK320 daily. Car is 26 years old. Still great and reliable. Wouldn't buy a post 2000 Mercedes though.

[@geofilho6722]

Have one too, and have to agree rock solid

[@johnphaceas7434]

Pretty much applies to all makes - after the early noughties everything went to shit, with the exception of small capacity Toyotas (boring but bullet proof). Which is why I own three cars (all driven regularly) with a combined age of 87 years and cumulative +750,000km on the clock(s).

[@JoshByrne-v8q]

I love these videos you guys make. Really educational for the car market.

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much mate!

[@hellothere4342]

Before I start watching this video. I'll be surprised if at least 3 purchases of mine isn't on this list.

[@JohnFrumFromAmerica]

Did you have any?

[@rtt987]

How we looking?

[@hellothere4342]

Surprisingly? Only 2. M6 because it got dragged in when they mentioned M5 V8tt and the C63s which I know is a bit of a nugget but it put a smile on my dial. If they also tested the W204 before this video. It would've made it on the list too.

[@eventhorizon4795]

​@@hellothere4342 Any issues with your W204?

[@kingjulian1549]

@@hellothere4342 - you don't have to justify your purchase of a vehicle to me in any way. But how did you find the C63s on potholed suburban streets?

[@friznutzs]

You guys forgot the Audi S4 B8 - DCT problems that are so prominent that they had to make a mid-cycle update which they called the B8.5

[@rorynesta7766]

funny you mentioned the left to right conversion on the hellcat.We had a Dodge TRX with that conversion (I believe it was done in Australia) and that job was shit too.Some of the interior trim was badly fitted,there was a hole near the steering columm etc etc. For a $250K truck,such a shit job lol. And having worked at Big Euro dealerships,its common knowledge these big Euros make more money from parts and servicing then selling a car.But you gotta sell a car to get the customer servicing et etc.

[@riverracer]

I have a 2006 Chrysler 300C wagon, 3L turbo diesel, has done me well with 149K on the clock at the the moment, thinking of changing to a 2017 Mercedes E43 AMG wagon. All the C43 AMG's are still too expensive.

[@aerojohnw]

OUCH!!!!! This video hurts. So many cars on a CAR Person's dream list. I found myself going "OH NO" and "DAMNIT" and they are just the polite ones. I then quickly added the Performance Cars we would actually buy video to my watch list IMMEDIATELY after this one just to hopefully calm down. Thanks for the much needed tough love here guys. I'm a "Champagne Taste On A Beer Budget" guy unfortunately and if I'm not careful my passion could quickly sent me broke. 😬😮‍💨 Thanks for the intervention fellas. Much appreciated.

[@myunghaklee3260]

I used to work for BMW body shop and I totally agree with adam and tim X4, X6m really cannot get the idea of gran coupe It is just shit to look at I hate them personally

[@thegoodtribe]

I was a little surprised they dinged the 135i in the small car section (esp seeing as they gave it a provisional thumbs up in the actual review) -

[@BPjtrj1989]

Great show, but you need the correct Mini codes, R50,(base cooper) R52 (S cab) R53 S and then second generation turbo R56s, which are far more unreliable. Keep up the great work lads.

[@marty1035]

A kiwi here feeling almost at home with you two. Great work, lots of laughs, very down to earth. Good on ya mates.

[@jay5954]

performance SUVs are the ultimate compromise between a car person and a controlling person in a relationship with no car knowledge. I saw a mustang SUV (god I didn't know they existed and nor should they) the other day and they were hooning it around and I thought that is the saddest head turn I've ever conducted and the poor fella probably thinks it's such a magnet/head turner

[@battlewolf578]

That mustang SUV is an EV mustang (Mustang Mach E) In other words, its nothing like a mustang besides the badges and name

[@jay5954]

​@battlewolf578 hmm I must've got the car wrong. Was a boxy (like mustang) SUV that roared around and sounded like a v8 amg. Not sure what it is now since mustang don't seem to have ever made an ICE SUV that I can find

[@kiskovacsidenes]

@@jay5954 dodge maybe?

[@Muddicker]

great comment I agree

[@matthowell8985]

I don't have the A45, but I do have the gla 45 amg. I have been more than pleased. Outside of brakes and rotors, no major problems

[@SunnyS3506]

Age, Mileage, type of use, is it always serviced? Is it under warranty? Just need some context.

[@TonyEmond]

I completely agree with you on the 911 convertible! It makes me a little bit mad to see so many of them for sale in the second-hand market. And I live in Montreal, Canada, where you can drop the top for maybe 5 months a year to start with. I just don't get it.

[@brainsmatter7067]

I literally laughed out loud when Jim said “what a donkey” 😂. And totally agree about the dog ugly X6M! And wasn’t the Camaro designed by the Holden engineers at Fishermen’s Bend? It’s basically a Camaro body on a Monaro package underneath, really.

[@tomnewham1269]

The first of the new generation is based on the Zeta platform (VE/VF commodore) but the latest model Comaro has nothing to do with Holden.

[@richardrigg36]

Glad to see the Z4m40i. Didn’t make the list on your GT rant,the single blower B58 and package can make 1000km a lot of smiles.

[@ali_nfb32]

You guys are brilliant been binge watching your videos for the past week. Much love ❤❤❤

[@MrMelonMan96]

Great video as always guys ! Just wondering about the m135i, isn’t that the same N55 engine in the M2 which you guys did recommend ?

[@jeancoetzee2800]

Glad to hear that the F-Type video is coming. I like the look of the earlier ones but do see that they seem to trap dirt in the doors resulting in scratched side glass panels.

[@R1Zig]

I drive the first car on your list. 2019 Abarth with just over 90k km on the clock. Not a single problem with it so far. Got an experienced independent mechanic that services it. Small things like cleaning the oil return pipes to the turbo is a tiny thing he does out of his own. Cheap as chips to maintain so far. Full cambelt service cost me $270 Australian. Please make a list now that is the opposite of this one. That's probably gonna be a very short video right?

[@SamMusca]

Had a Giulietta quadrofoglio for 9 wonderful years till I hit a dead kangaroo at 90kmh….. lucky to be alive…. Got it fixed…. But was never the same again “ sob” 😫 love your channel.

[@timw2083]

Its great to hear it served you well

[@Orvieta]

But would you buy it again?

[@SamMusca]

Hi Orvieta I’d buy the last of the run, say a low km 2019…… but I’m saving for a Giulia now.

[@Orvieta]

@@SamMusca You won't regret the Giulia, my 2.0T is a great car.

[@bluearmy7690]

Giulia is highly recommended by them

[@captainconsumer]

Bought an demo W213 E63S Hammer in 2018. Its an absolute weapon of a ride completely mental. Have had zero problems with it nothing zilch nada. Has been sensational. Plus it sounds incredible. Have kept up the servicing with MB for 6 years without missing any. I would recommend a W213 hammer to anyone spending 150-200k on a hooligans wet dream. Will blow a HSV or any seppo ride into 2050 in comfort mode

[@tomnewham1269]

I don’t think you can put Ferrari in this category. A Ferrari owner is buying the experience and Ferrari’s have never been known to be reliable. And they do hold their value reasonably well. But I can understand how it would be hard to hold back a rant on some of these vehicles. There is no excuse for car manufacturers to make such unreliable vehicles. Lexus can do it so it is possible. Some of these cars needs a piano dropping on them.

[@Orvieta]

This video is not about the experience, but about the value for money. As in objectively, not subjectively.

[@Thisonegoestoeleven666]

"they do hold their value reasonably well" reasonably doing a ton of heavy lifting there. Roma at around 15% loss A YEAR.

[@PGW85Productions]

@@Thisonegoestoeleven666*huffs copium* if they depreciate more, maybe I can afford one within my life, just trust me guys, this time it’ll work I swear it- In all seriousness, I’ll probably never afford one, let alone the maintenance on one, but a Roma in the right spec is definitely one of my hero cars. Beautiful thing.

[@michaelhermans4753]

I know 2 guys with $500k Aston Martin’s which spend more time at the dealership shop than their garage They have money to burn, so I’m not about to break out the tissues

[@Gozar111]

I currently own a 2023 quad turbo X6 M50D and owned another before. Also had a X6 5.0 V8 twin turbo. Loved them all because they look so different. Can we be friends? Also own a bunch of Porsches if that helps?

[@MT-ou3lh]

You’re wrong when it comes to the small cars. Owned an R53 (ordered new to 160k km, not one thing went wrong), ordered an R57 JCW, tuned to 240PS/395NM, had to replace the clutch, otherwise only maintenance, sold it with 145k km with the first engine, running fine. Bought my second R57 JCW, installed a KW Street Comfort (no more harsh/ bumpy ride), after 10 years it needed a new battery. Currently has 75k km, running perfectly fine with full power. Now I’m going to buy an Abarth competizione 2018 - facelift, which was introduced in 2017 I think (with full dealer warranty) and I’m pretty confident it will work fine as well. The problem with those cars are usually the owners, not taking care of them. Do your oil service all 10k km, let them warm up before driving hard, don’t only drive short distances and most of them will run perfectly fine. Those are not Toyotas but rather high performance vehicles, treat them as such and they’ll work as good as other performance cars.

[@iCozzh]

30:35 if you want an r34 gtr just buy an r33 gtr. Everyone hates them and theyre cheap asf. Its 95% of an r34 for 1/4 of the price.

[@davothegreat9990]

I love the r33 gtr. Great car.

[@iCozzh]

@ Im not the biggest fan of the looks but the platform is stellar and is heavily overlooked due to the overly hyped 34. A true bargain for enthusiasts.

[@izzy031096]

Yeah 33 or 32 is the way to go

[@davothegreat9990]

@@iCozzh r33 gtr in midnight purple. Beautiful looking car.

[@thrasher10000]

When 100k is considered cheap haha. I prefer the r33 to the r34 actually

[@petermacdonald6377]

Love your work, but have to say we have a 2008 Audi S4 convertible (6 speed manual) that is my wife’s daily driver and love it. In 10 years other than tyres etc and a broken rim - bloody pot holes! Has cost $1200 for a hydraulic pump in the soft top. So far so good and is a great drive ❤

[@Thisonegoestoeleven666]

But not as good to drive as the S4 sedan or wagon. I think that is their point.

[@chrisphillips-mb8pn]

Mr2? Just get a turbo appreciating classic and fun to drive. Don't get why its on the list. Or a non turbo and thrash it everywhere. Super fun car.

[@johnmiceter]

I owned a 2010 Mazda 3 MPS 3 Luxury for 5 years and left it completely stock (part wise,but just got a tune done on it) and it was the best car I had ever owned and most reliable. I serviced it every 5000ks and sold it with 88,000ks on the clock 3 years ago. Since then I bought a 2013 focus st 2013 with a tune and it was ok but I really miss my mps. Now just sold my ST and looking for another MPS, but it is true, they are so hard to find in Australia. It really sucks Mazda never continued with the MPS and made it for a few more years as I would have bought a new one (and ive never bought a brand new car before) but I loved it so much and its such a shame Mazda didn't make more of them.

[@peterprzywara5258]

Great show as an ex car dealer I know all about euro crap the auctions are full of Renaults and Peugeot hoping to snag an uninformed buyer about the pitfalls they will endure

[@TheMASDrummer]

Just so you know, you guys are the best automotive channel in youtube

[@dn059]

Adam...man im looking at your previously owned cars list and your definitely a sucker for punishment 😂

[@markgallon9387]

Enjoyed your clips this year and looking forward to more honest reviews in '25

[@jeroenmeester9528]

The MR2 you guys tested is the SW20, best known as a straight line sports car, a very different car from his predecessor SW10 (the first and prettiest) and his successor SW30 which might be a bit less powerful but is said to have a much better balance. The SW20 is the most famous MR2 because it was shown in one of those Fast and Furious movies and a few racing games, and as such it's also the most expensive, what I would like to know is what you guys think of the other models of the MR2 or MRS.

[@jay5954]

"they're not going to make it an hour and a half without breaking down.." LMAO

[@ethanwd]

Funnily enough, I reckon my favourite car I’ve ever owned is on this list! Had a 2012 Polo GTI with the notorious 1.4 twin charged engine & honestly it was brilliant to drive! Only sold it because I went back to uni & finances were tight. My long-time VW mechanic said it was becoming high-risk, so I sold it for $2k more than I paid for it after some minor cosmetic touch ups, 50k kms, and nothing more than brakes, a radiator & oil for servicing! Would still own this fantastic car if it weren’t for my mechanic’s risk-averse suggestions. Worth noting that several years later we’re back in a vw Passat bc it’s just the best driving car for what we need!

[@joebot2127]

MK8 Golf in any form....Rubbish electronics. My wife has replaced the steering wheel twice and still has constant failures of adaptive cruise control, sos, gear selector sensors, parking sensors, etc..

[@tomnewham1269]

Probably not the steering wheel then.

[@joebot2127]

@@tomnewham1269 Its an electronic gremlin tied to the steering wheel connectors. We waited 8 months for the wheel replacement and it actually fixed the problem for 4 months, but it just came back. The gear selector sensor is a separate common issue.

[@eponymous7910]

Yeah vw are replacing those wheels by the thousands, absolutely unforgiveable. The 8.5 is really what the mk8 should've been from the get go but the reputational damage has already been done

[@m.traj_gtr]

Thank you for dropping the truth bomb on the 34 GTR. They are great cars and I owned a built 32 GTR up until not long ago but.. unless you got them for 50-90k max, the R34 is simply not worth the money unless you’re chasing clout. All these crazy ones you see online with RB30’s and sequentials firstly have another 100k pumped into them, and secondly they’re not reliable. They’ll say they are but talk to anybody who has truly built a big HP GTR and ask when what number engine/gearbox they’re on.

[@fairygodbrother]

Before I even watch the video, I love 3 cars I've owned are in the thumbnail. Good start for me then. I'd nominate the BMW i8 as well. Mine was in and out of the garage with issues constantly and parts have to be made so you are waiting a long time for fixes. I had 4 courtesy cars in 2 years with that car and one for 5 months.

[@jeremywentworth1833]

I did know of an 08 Unicorn Mazda 3 mps in the UK with only 14,000 it was owned by a pensioner in his late 70s that bought it brand new. He wasn't given what he wanted to trade it in against a brand new at the time 23 reg Cupra Ateca . He advertised it someone from Australia even watched he sold it to someone from Scarborough about 70 miles away. The car didn't do a 1000 miles a year. He also has an MX-5 NC & his wife has an Abarth 595 17 reg. They are pensioners but clearly like nice car's.

[@webmonkey44]

honestly, too many performance cars here are ruined by absurd power but acceleration so high you cant have *any* fun on the road. its like they have hit limit of useful performance.

[@rsr20t]

Agree with all the comments on performance SUV, the only exception to the rule, which barely makes it into performance category because of its diesel engine, is diesel variants of the Skoda Kodiaq RS. Truckloads of rear leg room and boot space, drives like a sedan, one of the nicest cars to tow with (towed a race car for two years, tows better than a Landcruiser and Defender, great visibility reversing trailers, maintains and accelerates easily at highway speeds including inclines while towing) and great on the city rat run. Only disappointment is the front door speakers, cheap ‘felt’ like carpets and couldn't they afford to put a nicer leather steering wheel similar to that from a Golf. Great on fuel, real life average 7.5/100 around town, 6.5L/100 on longer trips and under 11L/100 towing a race car thanks to the DSG gear box.

[@douglasmillar7560]

What! FK8. All the cars on the list are either unreliable, expensive to own, have poor build quality or have disappointing driving dynamics. Then you recommend nobody buys the FK8. It's a great car with none of these issues. It's inclusion seems to be based primarily on how it looks. Anyone considering buying one can see what they look like. After living with the facelift version for 3yrs most other cars look boring in comparison. It's good to have some variety. It is still fantastic to drive and so far it's been cheap to own. I took spirited test drives in all the other hot hatches at the time and it felt in a different league. The GR Yaris was also fun but it has very limited space. I've previously owned a Cayman s and Boxster GTS and I was shocked at how good the fk8s handling was in comparison given how much stuff I can fit in it and the relative price point / cost of ownership.

[@jasonwest1343]

Mine was an absolutely phenomenal drive and never boring, always reliable and comfortable not too bad on fuel,huge load capacity, yes a few interesting design cues 😅 but not just another white good commuter car.

[@bluearmy7690]

Cooling issues?

[@douglasmillar7560]

​@@bluearmy7690 no cooling issues. Outside temp where I take car on mountain roads is typically mid 20s c. Ive not taken it to the track though.

[@nazmo_za9654]

owner of a clio mk4 rs trophy. i cant deny they have issues. i only had one issue in 7 yrs though and love it

[@imirish2187]

the american vette/camaro combos really offer a good value for what it is (used especially) The corvette is somewhat compromised as a convertible but they're relatively cheap and relatively reliable/ comfortable for what it is. I think that changes overseas though i would imagine they are more expensive over there which makes them less appealing.

[@cplogs3828]

You are so far off the mark with the FK8 Type R. Everyone who has seen mine absolutely loves the styling.

[@tomstain8222]

9:55 love to hear it ! Had my E39 M5 for 4 months now and it is the stuff of dreams. Would love to see it on the channel one day

[@waynestewart2024]

I had a 2009 Mazdaspeed3. There were some front suspension issues with the sway bars mounts. But besides that it was good reliable car. I would disagree with the Vette and Camero after 2016. Those cars are great to drive and LS1 V8's are bulletproof. When I go to open track days at VIR 80% of the cars are Camero SS with the 1le package.

[@abrakadabraangelov1829]

What are your thoughts on the GM 10 speed transmission.I know lots of people are complaining of the Ford 10 speed

[@clevelandaeromotive]

I owned an X6 50i E71 (see videos). It was a $hit car. BUT! I find the styling of the X6 cars masculine and aesthetically brutal (in a good way). It’s big, sporty and kinda like a blown out video game villain limo. Impossible to knock off the road. Not just because of its size but also because of its performance.

[@joshduymel2524]

I had a Merc GLE 63s coupe. Loved that car. Wicked fast and sounded insane. Plus I could tow the boat and fit the kids!

[@danielshinerock1526]

Lovely car!

[@cryotasticshitposting]

23:41 When I was a kid, my mom would read these hot wheels books to me that had a bunch of cool performance cars in them. When she got to the page on the Camaro, she'd talk about how cool they are, and how she always wanted one. That's why I have one in my garage right now.

[@KeithStephen-m4p]

I am old , over weight and drive a performance SUV and I love it Genesis GV70 sport prestige 3.5Twin turbo

[@thrasher10000]

2GR MR2 is incredible. More fun to drive than RX7, S2000, 300ZX TT, ND MX5 only thing close that I’ve tried is the GR Yaris

[@CruiserBrah]

Thankyou for saying coupé properly!