Regret or Satisfaction: Reevaluating the Choice Between R9-7950X3D and R7-7800X3D - Byte Size Tech

[@chrissoucy1997]

What I like about watching your videos on this channel and also the main Tech Deals channel is that we also learn about things that the video is not focussing about. You did so many videos back in 2020 and 2021 about how awful Zen 2 and Zen 3 were on 300 series motherboards that from that moment forward, I highly advised my friends and family members to not upgrade to a Zen 2 or Zen 3 chip if they had a 300 series board. Its cool that you have updated us on the subject that it is in a good state now and those chips can now be used on 300 series boards while not having any major issues. This is the kind of little pieces of bonus information that I like and keeps me watching your videos. Keep up the good work Tech!! We all love what you do. Two thumbs up also to Junior Deals for the videos that he has done lately. He improves each time he does one and we see that he has a part your passion that drives him when he is explaining things. I wish him the best and to keep on doing videos if he likes it.

[@RubberDucky8734]

I paid 329 for my 7800x3d and 975 for my 7900xtx about a month ago... Still feels like a good deal.

[@ecsauer]

I'm looking at this CPU/GPU combo. My biggest question is regarding the motherboard. Should I try to save money and get a B650 or is the lowest I'll want to go a 670E?

[@thanhto3023]

@@ecsauerb650 is dirt cheap. Dont overspend on Mobo. 200$ max

[@justdillon5759]

@@ecsauer if you still havent bought get a b650 Aourus Elite AX

[@ring8066]

78003dx & 4090 here, banging for 4k. upgraded from 8700k 1080ti hoping it last me just as along

[@rpospeedwagon]

Good upgrade. Congrats for real. 4K is lit. And while I personally moved from 5900x to 13900k, you'll be pretty happy. I'm shocked how much I'm CPU bottlenecked using 5160x2160 using DSR!

[@ByteSizeTech]

@@rpospeedwagon Did you watch our video talking about that? Here it is - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJS8iYJ-YrWkZ7M

[@rpospeedwagon]

@@ByteSizeTech No I haven't! Will do, thank you. Love your stuff. Most real tech channel on The Tube.

[@rpospeedwagon]

Oh yes, I remember now. It's crazy how fast devs max current hardware, and they should! Sidenote: Your statement on some video RE: the fps 1% dip being generally more important than average fps was enlightening. Example: I play solo PC PUBG at 175 fps. When my brother has time, we PUBG on Xbox at 60 fps. And I never think, "Wow, this is slow." But if I'm playing PUBG PC and dip from 175 to 98 fps, it feels horrible. So, kudos to you for pointing that out. That's a very real phenomenon. Our brains adjust quickly.

[@nocompromesso]

@@rpospeedwagonsame specs. I could effort the 7950x3d however i only play games. The 7950x3d only has 8 cores with 3D v-cash and according to reviewers was anoying to get running in the richt cores and told gamers to wait for 7800x3d

[@sdasmah]

People who can afford a 4090.... . add, . "Or adults who don't have kids."

[@nossy232323]

LOL, that's me.

[@D1rtyDave]

excuses lol, i dont work, my wife does,, we have kids and i got a 4090 brand new from a guy who returned it with buyers remorse for 1100USD open box.

[@seacowDUGONG]

@@D1rtyDave 😦😦😧😱

[@skylark556]

The irony is that the 4090 is the best value card for this generation of Nvidia cards

[@erickgonzalez2887]

its such a shame that it makes the 4080 irrelevant due to pricing

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

You don't know what you're talking about. 3x performance of 4060 for 5.3 times the price.

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

@unitytechfuture7409 Entry high end? That's 7900 XT. All the other card mentioned are midrange as of release of the new gen of cards. INSTANTLY, the day 7900 XTX was released. 4070 Ti is a mid range card same as Your mentioned 3090. High end? 7900 XTX and 4080. Top end? You guessed it.

[@domis531]

@UTFapollomarine7409 Unless your energy costs are high and you plan to use the card for ~5 years. Then the 4090 value looks better than any amd card.

[@jessefisher1809]

Yeah I have a 13600k and a 4090. Clearly this channel would disapprove of that. But I got royally fucked over by the 3070 and its 8gb of ram, did not want to repeat that with a 4070. 4080 is just an insult. I wasnt ready to go amd because I rely on dldsr, I wanted a lot of vram, I felt like 4090 was my only option. Didnt buy it cause I was rich and can afford to buy the most expensive component every time.

[@randocrypto1678]

Tech normally I agree with your points but I gotta disagree with you here. For somebody who primarily games, I don’t believe buying the 7950X3D makes much sense. Even if you have a 4090. Why? Because when a game is running, the non 3D CCD gets disabled. When a game is running, a 7950X3D and a 7800X3D are a functionally identical chip. Unless you’re doing rendering or some other thread heavy task that can use all 32 threads, it doesn’t make sense. The 7950X3D is for content creators who also want stellar gaming performance. For somebody who mainly just plays games, what’s the point in spending the extra money on a chip which will disable itself to match the lower class chip the vast majority of the time?

[@sephiroth4543]

If I am getting a 4090 I would also want the best possible cpu, the 7800x3d has been nerfed clock speed wise

[@IamMxfia]

Yeah clock-speed is a bit lower but still gets the same performance so what does it tell you? First time watching this guy since this video got recommended and my guy is going with the bigger number better logic lol 7800x3d or 7950x3d perform about the same unless its a game that likes higher frequency even then difference is so little. He even says in one of the comments about 8 core processors and buying them in 2023 is wrong (my guess on his take IDK) that tells me he doesn't know what he's saying or doing. Even on intel u only use the 8 p cores for gaming. And I got both systems 13900k 7800x3d and 4090 the amd cpu even with less cores outperforms the Intel rig. But hey tell people spent more money on a cpu with more cores that they don't need is kinda a bad move

[@TwoOmarz]

@@IamMxfiaactually I agree with you.. this what happen to me when I was going to buy an intel chip for gaming only instead of the 1700 ryzen chip at that time.. but I saw one of his video talking about I will need the 8 core in the future and I swapped that cpu immediately cuz I wasn’t getting any performance in gaming and it’s was sooo laggy

[@raynathanielcaparas8064]

Who does use their computers to play games only in 2024?

[@jiinx72]

There's a video to tune the none 3D cores to 5050 via the MB bios. Its a pity they didn't put the 3D cores across both and just make the 7950x3D a monster.

[@DeinielMas10]

I see why someone would go with a 7800x3d instead of 7950x3d independently of cost. The latter is too difficult to cool in a ~ 10 L ITX case. In that case, the 7800x3d makes a lot of sense.

[@sephiroth4543]

Why would you pay for a mediocre application performance. Even a last gen cpu would beat the 7800x3d

[@David-nb2bc]

@@sephiroth4543 Have you seen the benchmark on the 7800x3d chip on games? It is right up there and some pass the i9-13900k as a lot of game takes advantage of the high L3 v-cache of the 7800x3d. The current price for the 7800x3d is now well under $350.

[@sephiroth4543]

@@David-nb2bc I was talking about the productivity performance

[@David-nb2bc]

@sephiroth4543 This chip was not the best chip for productivity as all reviewers stated that. This is the best gaming chip on the market right now.. if you want a productivity chip, Intel is what you want.

[@sephiroth4543]

@David-nb2bc in the end I went for the 7950x3d, best of both worlds

[@rvgamerspc]

In my opinion, 7800X3D with RTX 4080/4080s/4090 for gamers (4090 for those who play in 4K), 7950X3D with 4080/4090 content creators, digital design professionals and gamers at the same time

[@Loky_8]

7800x3d is absolutely a fine match for a 4090, he will get the best gaming performance currently available ( if all he does is gaming and browsing the net etc). i went from a 5900x to a 7800x3d, the 5900x was great but i never used it to its full potential, it was wasted in my hands as most of my use is gaming and browsing etc. Again the 13900k is way over kill imho if all he is doing is gaming and would cost more as he would of needed a new psu and aio.

[@gamehqnetwork]

i have a question i have paid advanced mount to get 7950x but the seller partner sold it and there is no stock right now but he offered me to give me 7950x3d brand new seal box more less than 7950x price less about 35$ I mean less than 7950x price point is that a good deal rather too buy 7900x? help me guys

[@francoissmith5751]

Of course it is ! I did it myself, refund my 7900x to replace it by a 7900x3d. It was a good choice.

[@alonsopena2859]

Hello hi Mr. Tech I have a question. Hopefully you can help me with so I have a 4070 TI. RTX gigabyte on a 570x Asus, tough gaming motherboard with a ryzen 7 3700x and it’s been working pretty good, and I bought a Ryzen 7 7800x3D to replace my old one so my question to you is not that I spend the money should I go for the Ryzen 9 or stay with the 7800x3D and which motherboard do you recommend? And it’s just for gaming

[@bielrio1]

I have the same doubt as you. I'm moving from the 5900x with RTX 4070 Ti and would like to know if I'm going to 7800x3d or 7900x3d (7950x3d is out of the question).

[@timzim9314]

7950x3d and 7800x3d are the same price right now which one is better?

[@steven301]

i5 13600k + 4070 nmon ti sounds good comb? for gaming. multiwindows, 1-2 streams while playing etc

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice video. Sounds like there needs to be a Ryzen 9 chip that is a 16c / 32 th with 2 x ccd core's both having X3D cache so that you have the absolute best there can be. Right now if Gaming is your only use for a computer , the Ryzen 7 7800X3D is probably best since it only has 1 ccd that has the X3D. With core parking of the Ryzen 9 7950X3D in windows _ is it really the best choice for a gaming only machine maybe not. Maybe the Ryzen 9 7950X3D should of been the Ryzen 7 7850X3D. Then the Ryzen 9 "7950X3D" could of had X3D cache on both ccd's making the chip the very best that could be offered for the current generation.

[@diegolaporte4653]

Hello and the ryzen 9 7900x3d with 140mb cache would be a better option than the R7 7800 X3D ?

[@Lock2002ful]

⁠@@diegolaporte4653 No, watch gamers nexus test video on the 7800X3D. It makes the 7900X3D obsolete and the 7950X3D unnecessary if you’re going for gaming.

[@vielumiereg9794]

@@diegolaporte4653 If you're just gaming, the 7800X3D is the better choice. The 7900X3D also parks cores like the 7950X3D when gaming, so you're not getting full potential from the chips.

[@SpoonHurler]

I upgraded from a base model Escalade to a fully specced Civic Type R.

[@ByteSizeTech]

I bet that Civic feels zipper!!!

[@cuongtang9539]

Would you suggest a Ryzen cpu for a beginner ? i wanna build a pc for gaming

[@jamesleicher]

thinking upgrading to 7800x3d for flightsim for the cache, australia just above $700. 7950x3d is Au$917 ,from i9900kf with 6800xt .runny good but need some just need abit more oomph .worth extra $200 ?

[@FionatheFiend]

I'm debt and mortgage free, pay everything cash including all cars, invest, collect dividends, etc. I "upgraded" / side graded from a i9 12900k to a 7950X3D. I only did it because I had issues with my Z690 Asus motherboard. Picked up a Gigabyte X670E Xtreme and 6800 DDR5 96 GB Ram. The rest of my system kept the same. My monitors are 57" Samsung Neo G9 and 49" Samsung Neo G9 running off a 4090 and I feel the system runs a lot better and cooler. My i9 12900k killed a couple of Corsair i150 Elite pumps probably due to the amount of heat it produces. My Ryzen 9 7950X3D runs a lot cooler and I'm hoping that my AIOs will last a bit longer.

[@Blaquegold]

I see why this person upgraded but the explanation tech gave us why I am still holding on to my 10850k despite noticing it’s limitations comparing it to recent cpus. It does what I need it to do though. I want to UPGRADE when the time comes. When I put on my pc I want to have to wear a seatbelt with how it’s going to blow me away!

[@Hypershell]

Honestly I don't trust the core scheduling on the 7950X3D; only 8 of the cores have vCache anyway (6 on the 7900X3D; same issue), and I've seen videos about switching to a new CPU afterwards causing problems with settings not meant for other CPUs being carried over (possible upgrade woes on a future generation?). I don't have an AM5 build myself, mind you. But if I did one now, and I had 4090 money, I'd be choosing between 7800X3D and the regular 7950X. 'course, I don't have 4090 money, so I'll just keep rocking my 5950X (which I don't actually need and basically just bought to max out my existing AM4 build).

[@iLegionaire3755]

The 7950X3D is for content creators who also want stellar gaming performance, that is still slower than the 7800X3D in gaming performance due to Core Parking. 7800X3D is for moderate content creation and the fastest gaming experience. Frankly, properly undervolted, the 7800X3D can crunch productivity workloads with ease, even if it isn't the fastest for productivity, its more than enough. 7800X3D all the way IMO!

[@WhiteDieselShed]

Are you saying a 3950X with 64GB RAM was overkill for GTA 5? :)

[@NttXenos]

Hello Tech. I own a 5900x and a 3070. will be upgrading to 4080 soon. which cpu is best for the 4080 in terms of bottleneck. should i go 7800x3d? i would prefer the 7900x3d because its only 60 euros and has 4 more cores but many people complain that the 7900x3d is dual ccd with 6+6 config making it a 6 corex3d and 6 core normal. 7950x3d is way to overkill in my opinion. or should i go intel 13700k? oh. my monitor is 2560x1440 ips 280hz. i play fortnite but also single players. I was thinking to go with 7800x3d and 4080 they seem like a decent combo. please answer me since i cant really find decent videos about this anywhere.

[@Titan_Z1]

a question ca a 360 aio cool a i9 13900k oder the 14th gen ?

[@spaghetti9845]

I have a 5950x with a 4070 currently and looking to upgrade to the 7950x3d. Would it even be worth it?

[@mttrashcan-bg1ro]

Doesn't sound like it is if one CCD is turned off while gaming anyway.

[@spaghetti9845]

@@mttrashcan-bg1ro are u talking about parking?

[@THeBoZZHoGG]

I did the same upgrade because the 5950x died..stock clocks no OC and it bit the dust after 2.5 years.

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

Mark is the kind of guy that pees sitting down. But poops standing up.

[@tigerhunter3203]

The 7950x vs 7950x3d? Is the "3d" chip worth the extra if you're looking for a 16 core cpu?

[@bahaasami3344]

7950x is better

[@eracer1111]

@@bahaasami3344 Not for games like MSFS.

[@mttrashcan-bg1ro]

I sort of did the same thing but from a 5900X to a 7800X3D and I don't regret it one bit. It runs everything I do faster, if it's slower or faster in multi-core I have no idea, it feels faster to me. I am trying to decide what to do next, because there's definitely tasks I'm doing that require more cores, but I'm not confident the 5900X would have handled those tasks better. I'll probably get a 9950X3D but who knows. I avoided the 7950X3D because I felt like it wasn't enough of an upgrade for what I was paying, it's double the price of a 7800X3D in Australia, and I've heard people were having tons of issues with games on the Dual CCD 3D chips which people only started finding ways to fix after I'd bought my 7800X3D

[@carlcag9594]

Some advice please Tech, My Son has a 5950x on Asus Crossfire Hero 8 board, 2 X 2080ti in SLI - replacing his old 1TB Pcie 3.0 drives. I have a new 4TB and a 2TB SN850X , which of the two should be he is main boot drive , the 4TB or the 2 TB ? Also on RAM he is running 3600 MHz 64GB , is a bump to 4000 Mhz going to do anything noticeable ? Thank you in Advance !

[@Titan_Z1]

a question would you say a i7 14700k is a good pair with a 4080 super with an aio or could i also go with a i9??=

[@ByteSizeTech]

Yes, good match

[@Titan_Z1]

@@ByteSizeTech and another question can a 360 ek aio cool a i9 14900k

[@Titan_Z1]

@@ByteSizeTech and would pair the i9 with the 4080 super and 7200mhz ram

[@jeantechnoir7702]

Does he play? He has a 4090 so most likely yes, does the 7950X 3D performs better than the 7800X 3D? Nope, both perform better than his previous CPU but the 7800X 3D cost less so yeah it's an Upgrade.

[@Helin0x99]

I've got a 5990x, 64GB @ 3700mhz and a 4090 to multibox 20 copies of eve, it maxes my CPU, RAM & GPU rendering power & vram capacity Worth going to a 7950x3d or wait for something else?

[@hillardbishop8755]

@Tech Deals Agree, if you're going to go big, go big! Built my R9-5900X with RX 6900XT about 2 years ago. Definitely sitting this generation out (not enough of uplift) and maybe next generation also. I have done that "side grade" stuff in the past just to get on newer platform and was not impressed. When you build, match the cpu and gpu appropriately for that generation or not at all. To quote you and Rogue "when you upgrade, upgrade!"

[@BlackReaper9]

Can't get enough of Tech's videos😂❤❤

[@koford]

What CPU should one consider when you have 3080 Ti ?? Any advice?

[@ByteSizeTech]

Might want to watch this video as you are missing alot of details, please ask again after watching this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaaxoXitp7WVadU

[@zk4654]

What would you choose out of a Ryzen 7900X or Ryzen 7800X3D

[@ByteSizeTech]

Neither, at this point... 7700X or 7950X3D, based on US prices. The former for a placeholder for Zen 5, the latter to wait for Zen 6.

[@zk4654]

@@ByteSizeTech I'm Confused those suggestions are at completely different ends of the scale ?

[@mohammad-zabih]

Hello sir ! so my PC build atm is Cpu 3600x Gpu 3060ti Ram 32GB 3400mhz cl 16 Screen 1440p 170hrz ive been thinking about upgrading my CPU and GPu for a while and 5800x3d was my goal , but now with AM5 and 7800x3d "i know its better" but when i see the issues ppl having with AM5 and also the extra cash i have to spend for new motherboard /rams , does it still worth it ? i know i pay for extra performance but how big of a gap is it , also if i cant buy all the parts at once "have to buy one or two at the time you think it still worth it ? or just smashing a 5800x3d CPU can keep me going for few more years and maybe later i can upgrade my GPU and prepare it for AM5 when the platform is more mature ? i mainly use my pc for gaming "i make money out of it that way " what i have is good for what i do but i like to upgrade my rig time to time

[@bernz23]

His decision made sense for just gaming if he plans on upgrading the platform soon, but it's funny seeing someone who bought 4090 try to penny pinch on other parts to sacrifice his potential production power for gaming power. maybe after value drops he saves an extra $100? 200? for a year of half the cores, when he has a 4090!?! ahha. Maybe the real answer was to sell his 4090 instead of sell the 5950x and remove the gpu bottleneck instead of CPU one! You know the best thing about getting older is your eyes not being able to tell the difference from 1440p and 4k. It saves a lot of money to not use a better monitor

[@martintop2605]

He plan to keep it until zen 5 and upgrade . For me maybe was better to ger 5800x3d which is still good and will not lose a value bcs its the fastest gaming cpu for m4 and wait for zen 5 . I have 4090 and use 5900x its still good even in a simulation games

[@TheKwai90]

OM.... im upgradig from I7 7700k

[@gdjaybee742]

Last month, the R9-7950X3D was close to 600USD, now I just checked it and it is now 500USD, I'll wait for it to go below 400. I currently have i7 9700k, which is getting long in the tooth. I run VM and Plex, more than often I have to reboot it just to play a movie somewhere in the house.

[@thedo0d255]

Is it worth upgrading to the 7950x3d from the 7950x? I'm just a 1440p gamer. I game often. I've got a Zotac 4090 Trinity OC, with 64gb 5600mhz ram. Just wondering if the performance upgrade is worth it.

[@PeteN75]

You would gain only around an extra 10 fps in average, some games less, a few could be more. Unless the price difference is very good, if I were you I would stick to 7950x.

[@thedo0d255]

@@PeteN75 I upgraded from 7950x to 7950x3d and my frames increased dramatically. It's crazy how different things run. I went from averaging around 160fps on WZ2 to averaging 210fps on WZ2. On Ashika Island I get over 300fps at times now. The 7950X3D is crazy. The performance increase for me was yuuuuuuge.

[@matthewmiller3566]

Where do you get your used pc components? Cause I’d love to buy I consistently sell my old parts at maybe 20% retail price lol

[@Renzo69420]

I would like to ask about my situation. I used to edit on my computer but not anymore since its more of edit on the go with me nowadays. I managed to get a 4080 under msrp 1000usd and I had a 5900x so I decided to upgrade to a 7800x3d. so is this as atrocious as the guy here or its fine? I just game on it mostly now.

[@alexsavastru8125]

My last build was an I5-23xx + GTX 750 TI. I'm upgrading to a 7950x3D + 7900 XTX. If this build don't last a decade, even if I'll have to ring out the last drop of shit performance running every piece of software on low and every piece of hardware on ultra high, I won't be satisfied. PC's, for consumers at least, should not be treated as smartphones are. Sure, maybe I'm a maniac, but 6-7 years of decent performance should be expected from mid-range builds, let alone high-end builds. I ran counter strike on that 750 TI so much that all it had to give me at times was a pink Dust II lmao

[@h1tzzYT]

7950x3d/7900x3d are dysfunctional cpus, because they dont have any hardware scheduler imbedded into the chip, meaning that sometimes you will get worse fps than 7800x3d and actually relatively close or same to 7700x part due to shabby scheduling. 7800x3d is the only chip i would get on am5 currently. Not to mention that whole am5 platform is iffy, if you will upgrade to zen 5 as soon as it launches then fine, am5 + 7800x3d might be not a bad bet, but for anyone else who will upgrade their platforms and wont look at it anytime soon its lga 1700, mostly 13600k/13700k or 13900k.

[@dougalachi]

No. I need a very power efficient cpu due to European energy prices and i used to have an i5 6600k. I decided to go AM5 Ryzem 7 7700 because it just got released, is very power efficient and a decent value for right now, and has several years of platform life left for a future AM5 upgrade.

[@jamesmadison3108]

I only use my gaming PC to play CSGO and will be playing Counterstrike 2 when its released. i was using the 8700k + GTX 1080TI for the past 6 years. I have now upgraded to 7800x3d + RTX 4070TI. Monitor i am using is the Alienware AW3423DWF QD oled ultrawide at 1440P. Did i did an upgrade or a side grade?

[@Wispurr0008]

2:40 i have my own PC business building custom builds and selling them to customers. I do other things as well for my services. I own a 4090. I also have $100-$5000 in my bank account at any given time. Usually it depends on if I had just sold a PC, or just bought parts to build one :)

[@mugflub]

I think being less condescending would benefit your channel

[@adaw90]

Hey, thank you for the great content over the years! I have the following question about a new pc: I have a ryzen 7 1700, RX 580 4gb and 16 GB 2666. I build this PC around half a year ago for around 120 euros and play mostly older games (5 years +). Still, sometimes a new game comes out that in want to play, though this is very rare (return to monkey Island and jedi survivor for example). I was thinking about selling the pc parts and buying a Ryzen 5 5600 with Rx 6600 and 32 GB of ram. Does this make any sense? Ryzen 7 5700x and rx 6700 xt are probably a better option, but I don't want to spend too much and energy costs are very high around here. Thank you!

[@davideasonkimo]

5600 + 6650xt + 32gb 3200 ddr4 cl16 + gen4 ssd p44pro 1T for the best every dollar well spent

[@Raav]

I have 4090 and I still choose to get 7800x3d instead of 7950x3d simoly cause it performs better in games. Its hard to justify the price of 7950x3d if you are using it only for gaming.

[@slayerfog]

I am in that fine line of whether regret it buying the 7950X3D or not.... I can´t unable the EXPO profile, can´t run the RAM DDR5 at 6000 mhz and only at "Auto" settings. Is a very RAM unastable platform. all the BIOS updates don´t seem to work. I was happy at the beginning, but RAM problems started to show up recently when installed another set of 32GB (64 Gb total)

[@rocketcityastro]

Just did a build with R5-7600x and 7600xt waiting for 8k series to drop then ill go for the top bar.

[@mattp5499]

I can understand the upgrade to the X3d V-cache technology. For VR gaming the X3d chips are a game changer in performance. Which is why I got one as I am a VR enthusiast. Its worth the upgrade from a 5950x for that kind of VR performance uplift.

[@martintop2605]

Im with 5900x and 4090 and asseto corsa competitione still runs 90fps flat line in VR on reverb g2 Why you saying is a game changer ? The problems with vr are due to optimization if you have open composite you dont get any dips even with 30 cars multiplayer grid

[@mattp5499]

@@martintop2605 I say game changer as the V-Cache really helps in open world scenarios in VR like RFVR for example. I am coming from a 3950x before upgrading to 7950x3d. Asseto is more of a sit and sim kind of game so you won't see the kinds of bottlenecks like you would in other multiplayer games with larger maps and a lot of physics and random input going on.

[@martintop2605]

@@mattp5499 Now i understand your point but its a big difference between zen 2 and 3 i also had r9 3900x and 5900 its much faster in VR. For me the upgrade cost around 70-80 euro bcs i buy it 5900 from friend for 350 2 years ago and sell the 3900 for 270 :))

[@thereddog223]

7800x3d is actually faster in gaming than the 7950x3d

[@nossy232323]

That's not actually true anymore, with better driver support now. The 7950X3D is like 2% faster, nothing you will notice. And sometimes you will still have to manually change things. 7800X3D is cheaper and hassle free, so if you only want to game it's still the better choice between the two.

[@ayliniemi]

​@nossy232323 Everybody is complaining it shuts off half its cores when you game. Can't you adjust some software setting so it uses more cores for gaming?

[@nossy232323]

@@ayliniemi You can with Process Lasso. But in most cases you get the best performance in games when only using the chiplet with the v cache.

[@fireblade274]

ITs pretty clear cut. If your JUST GAMING, the 7800x3d is what you want. it uses all its cores with the cache unlike the 7900/7950. and in most cases the 7800 stomps intel.

[@IamMxfia]

Yeah u get it, this review kinda weird! this video got recommended and IDK why. 8 cores entry level yeah right xD 🤡

[@fireblade274]

yep, and this is coming from and Intel fan boi who waited 10 years just to go from 4790k to 14900k just to say i did, till i finally realized, it just doesnt make sense for my use. @@IamMxfia

[@williamregal8503]

so 5990x what would be the last gpu you would put on that ?

[@deviantbuilds]

Last gen amd and nvida. I'm guessing you meant 5950x.

[@williamregal8503]

@@deviantbuilds i have a 3900x atm want to goto 5950x so prob gonna wait for the 5070

[@Lord_Verge]

I'm still running a 9900k Z390 platform. I'm actually impressed with its longevity and it still serves my use case fine, but I can tell the platform as a whole is starting to age. Probably going to upgrade either later this year or wait until Zen5 comes out later next year.

[@user-ib5pu9hm1y]

Please get rid of it, I had it its limited and runs hot, get i7 12700k or 13700k. Big difference

[@Lord_Verge]

@@user-ib5pu9hm1y I must have a pretty good sample. I'm running 5.0GHz on air and have had zero issues. Maybe that's the only reason why I haven't jumped yet :) Thanks for the reply.

[@scratchacker]

9900k is still relevant for gaming. Plenty of performance

[@TheTastefulThickness]

10850k ftw

[@Typhon888]

the IPC increase from that to a 13700k is crazy.

[@FerrumBellator]

Or option C, the PC is your hobby, and you don't own a motorcycle, fishing boat, atv etc etc etc.

[@LorentGuimaraes]

Or smoke

[@TrickyUtah]

From what I’ve seen especially for price the 7800x3d is the better option.

[@dianaalyssa8726]

I cringed a bit at the question but it is understandable also, sidegrading to upgrade more next gen etc. I've put off build atm but it does question whether one should just wait for 2024 or something if this is an issue, going down in cores won't make sense unless it's more of just a gaming use case perhaps. I enjoy gaming but the production side is a better price performance atm for AM5. The FPS benchmarks on the X3D chips though I can see how someone would pick for that alone if they spend most time gaming.

[@wimpieeeeee]

450 for 8 cores is much, but it outperforms the 7950X3D/7950X/13900K in gaming for a fraction of the price so that's why I'm rocking a 4090 with a 7800X3D and I couldn't be happier.

[@volcalstone]

I currently have a 4090 that I'm building from as well. One thing you have to remember tho is that you might save money getting the 7800X3D but the increased mobo and RAM prices makes it close to even with Intel if you are comparing it that way. For example a HERO mobo is $580 + 13900K is $550 + 32GB RAM is $150 is $1,280. While AMD HERO is $630 + 7800X3D is $400 + 32GB RAM is $180 = $1,210. So a $70 difference only! For $70 I would rather sacrifice some gaming performance to gain way better productivity power. Now if the difference was like $200-$300 then I would say go with AMD for sure. At the end it just all comes down to what you're really planning to do with your rig. Also Intel as the advantage right now as you could get their older gen parts to save even more money. Like using last year's HERO mobo for only $350 vs $580. With AMD tho you can't use AM4 boards on the 7800X3D. One advantage that AMD has tho is that you could save money on your power supply as you won't need 1200W to run a 4090 as you probably get away with a 850W-1000W one.

[@wimpieeeeee]

@volcalstone @volcalstone Paying 600+ for a motherboard is just nuts. The ASUS PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI you can get for just €290 and you won't even notice any difference. The more expensive ROG boards just have a few extra m.2 slots etc and more power stages for overclocking (which you don't need because the 7800X3D only pulls about 90W at max load). Not only do you save money with AMD on the power supply, but also potentially on the case, casefans and cpu cooler. Btw you can save money on RAM because it doesn't really matter with the 7800X3D how fast your RAM is. So getting 5600mhz 32gb is just fine. Basically, you can run the 7800X3D on a low-end motherboard with low-end RAM, low-end cpu-cooler, low-wattage PSU, in a cheap/small case without additional fans and stil outperform the 13900K which requires overall pretty high-end parts and still reaches thermal throttling easily.

[@tclark5481]

First, you said it, Use Case matters. He mentions gaming first and heavy internet and adobe usage. It wasn't clear if that was heavy adobe usage or just heavy internet use. Outside of Adobe, the 7800X3D is a good choice to pair with a 4090 for gaming. If you're not GPU bound in a game, the 7800 will do a fine job. But, if there is heavy Adobe usage, the 7800 might not be the right choice. At that point I would look at a 7900 or 7950X. I don't see any reason for him to upgrade the 7800X3D for a while, other than the Adobe comment. Also, if you're buying high-end CPU/GPU components, I don't see the in-place CPU upgrade as all that compelling. You're spending $2500+ with the 4090 and that machine should last you a few years at least, probably 4-5 years before you need a CPU upgrade. By then you might as well upgrade the mobo too because faster and better tech will be available in the next 3-5 years.

[@ilmaripajola4387]

Iv upgraded from i5 9600K to 7800X3D last month and my RX6800 seems to be happy about that.

[@yuvi183]

Let's take a Walk 😊 Me: Nah! my knee hurts 😬

[@David-nb2bc]

I only do sim racing in VR and I race mostly ACC. No video card out there right now is able to handle ACC in VR with stable 90 fps or in my case, 75 fps on Big Screen Beyond headset except the 4090. Even the 4090 I cannot put all my setting in epic. Only mix of epic, high and some low to get the graphic I want and stable fps. I think perhaps the new 5090 card may be able to tame ACC? That's why I bought the 4090. I just upgraded to 7800x3d as right now, this chip is the best gaming chip, period.

[@briank3754]

The 4090 is well worth the money for anyone into high end VR/or running high res triples. Not everyone wants a low end AMD card because it’s a great “value”. The mid-high range cards are high priced for both AMD and Nvidia. “Lost value” is a silly thing to consider when building or upgrading. Get the hardware you need for what you need to do and give yourself some Overhead. The 7800x3d is a beast for flight sim. If you are a flight/racing simmer and are running high res triples or VR, get the 7800x3d. I’m seeing noticeable improvements in Vr when compared to the 13900k I was running. FPS isn’t substantially better, although my 4-5% GPU bottleneck is gone and over all the experience is just Fluid and smooth. Who cares about core count. You need to understand that not everyone is playing overwatch at 1080p.

[@ByteSizeTech]

All fair points

[@TheMwowner1]

honestly, i might just have to wait for 2024 to upgrade my build. still using a 3900x and its doing perfectly fine, gpu on the other hand is bottle necked. i did buy a 7950x3d, but honestly its still under performing the 13900k which kinda sucks to be honest, hopefully their 8000 series will be better. the 7000 series honestly isnt that impressive, and the 3d v cache isnt really out performing the i9 series on intel either..... bought the 7950x3d for 550$ still sitting here debating after 4 months of the release if i should hold onto it, or return it and just wait it out for another 8 months-10 months....

[@kevinvanneste2500]

How does this omg couldn't believe that someone would do this....

[@fatpenguin0089]

8 cores amd and 8 cores intel is no where near the same, and as long as he isnt doing heavy productivity workloads like editing core count wont be a limiting factor for 5+ years in the future id reckon

[@ByteSizeTech]

1. Where do people get these ideas? - AMD and Intel cores are "nowhere near the same"? 2. 8 cores won't be a limit for 5+ years? - Tell me you're new to PCs without telling me...

[@fatpenguin0089]

@@ByteSizeTech maybe the fact that amd has 2/3 the cores of intel at the highest price point and less than half the cores in the lowest price point and offers comparable performance. and yes 8 cores wont be a limit for gaming in 5+ years, gaming cant utilise multiple cores in most games, amd offered the same amount of cores 5 years ago there are diminishing returns for core count increases and since for the most part 6 cores still wont be fully utilised games unless there is some new technique for games which can utilise more cores in the next 5 years.

[@cuongtang9539]

i got a 13600K for 339.- / and a rtx 4080 gamerock oc for 1398.-

[@SerhiiYastrebov]

"I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" vibes)

[@TheMwowner1]

you keep saying 7950x, do you mean 7950x 3d? because thats the one you have on your table... gets kinda confusing.

[@SmokeyMesa]

I'm still on AM4 with a 5900x, just got a 7900xtx and play sims. Would I benefit from a 5800x3d? Seems a bit of a side grade, but for a gaming rig...

[@GreenCrusher1968]

I have the same thing. 5900x & 7900xtx, 64 gig ram. For gaming. I dont plan on getting an upgrade until Zen 5/Ryzen 8000 series comes out.

[@martintop2605]

I have 4090 and 5900x and It depends: if you plan keeping you CPU for long time keep the 5900x if you will upgrade in 1-2 years to zen 5-6 you can get 5800x3d . Its actually what mark should do he will even make profit selling the 5950 and replacing it with 5800x3d and after that just upgrade to zen 5

[@DoubleAAce]

@@martintop2605 if u have a 4090 might as well go buy a 7950x3D

[@jollyderoger7600]

Alas, FPS YTer's often get this wrong. I have a very similar use case and went from a 5900x/3090 to a 7800x3d/4090. Why? I play flight, train, space sims on a 4k oled on ultra. It's not just about being 'rich', at those resolutions/settings it's a requirement. As for why a 7800x3d, it's been shown to be as fast as a 7950x3d and without the need to disable half the cores when playing games. And no, Windows 11 does not park the cores correctly, it's all over the shop.

[@diebygaming8015]

If you game at 4k on 4090 it's kind of pointless to get anything more expensive than the 7600x. At 4k you'll either be gpu limited, or you'll exceed your monitor refresh rate, either way, a faster cpu won't make any difference

[@ByteSizeTech]

Amazing how sure of yourself you are… and yet you’re incorrect.

[@ryan7030]

@@ByteSizeTech 13900k isn't even fast even enough for the 4090, perhaps the 15900k will be though but not 14900k

[@vmelecio1789]

I have a 4090 and a 7800x3d and the cpu bottlenecks even at 4k and the 1% low dips are crazy at times.

[@KinGDGaminG63]

idk man... i hear his reasoning... but sounds like a bunch of bs... either way love the content... i can love the content and not always agree w u... if the dude is only a gamer... 8 cores w v cache is enough... not a side grade especially w 4090.. use case like he said...

[@carlos-mw5ij]

Truth of story is if you're running a high end GPU having a 7800x3d vs some i5 really don't do much. End of day it's great great performance. I kind of regret dumping my ryzen 3600.

[@txmetalcobra]

Bruh, that’s completely false. Also the 3600 can’t even keep up with a rtx 3060 Ti fully. My 5900x was a bottleneck to my 3080 at 1440p. I swapped for a 5800x3D and it’s a big difference, especially in 1% lows. Saw a nice bump in fps for more cpu intensive games as well. Now my 3080 is maxed out and it took a 5800x3D to do it.

[@crism1912]

I feel attacked… i bought a 4090 just cause i like having the best graphics over all but damnnn making me reevaluate my purchase😂🤣

[@Greggg57]

I go with ryzen because I like supporting the underdog. Intel needs competition.

[@vielumiereg9794]

If he's just gaming, the 7800X3D is a great chip. Even with a 4090. I have the same setup with a ROG Strix 4090 and in a lot of games, it's right on up there with the 13900K and 7950X3D and in some titles (although rare) it even beats them... Now of course, for anything other than gaming, then not a good chip... But for me personally, I don't do any benchmarking, or production of any sort. So I was willing to save the money and ditch the top tier chips and put it into some other components instead.

[@tigerhunter3203]

Great video!

[@MarcyRock90]

7950X3d + 4080 🔝🔝

[@JayzBeerz]

Ryzen 9000 is about to launch. No one should be buying or upgrading till than. The 9800X3D will be better than the 7800X3D.

[@eracer1111]

If you overclock. The 9800X3D will have exactly the same V-cache configuration as the 7800X3D. It will be easier to OC. Disappointing, to say the least.

[@Nathan-ry3yu]

RYZEN 7 7800X3D along with 4080 GPU is enough to have good 4k gaming. 4090 still expensive will give you little better 4k gaming experience due to slightly higher FPS than the 4080. But the prices isnt worth upgrading yet. Ill wait till they come down in price. The new Ryzen 9000 series cpu. Have no 3d L3 catch as the Ryzen 7000 series so for gaming not sure if the new cpu will be better. Although they come out with AI built in. They cores are the same still. And cores don't matter for gaming its the 3d l3 catch higher single core count that makes the difference for FPS during gaming The ryzen 7 7800x 3d beats both ryzen 9 and intel i9 high end chips even though it is only 8 cores due. Its due to the 3D l3 catch and having a higher single core count it also generates less heat. All makes a difference during gaming I think anyone upgrading to the 4090 gpu if they can afford it should really wait till they come down in price. And then purchase gen 5 Motherboard and wait for a better CPU to come out as i don't think 9000 series will outperform the Ryzen 7000 series cpu in gaming. It be more for say workload not so much for gaming. The 3D l3 catch is important especially for later games and producing 4k or higher

[@LaoLMAO]

A real comprehensive answer?!? WTF is going on??? Great job ;)

[@xlightfootx]

Why everyone goin duck dynasty or razors cost to much now?

[@ozzynomicon2817]

Thats the first problem. People pair with a cpu for a workload not deep into the style they need. Amd better for multiprocessing and intel better at single target processing. Amd is ironically better for most gamers. Intel is just kinda meh. Dont get me run. Runs games very well and the 1700 boards are cheaper than amd boards. But price differences are negligible. The best budget cpu is going to be amd 5600x and paired with the 6700xt. Will pair well for 1440p gaming. Im currently doing a 79000xtx setup inside of the thermaltake tower 200 racing green. Going to do custom watercooling on it and going to watercool the gpu as well.

[@jean-claudejosselin187]

7800x3d was 500+€ in UE......way too much ! considering that ram speed/timings doesn't matter so much with this chip..... b650+5600mhz ddr5 ? sad AMD doesn't market better their prices. I've considered the 7900x 3d and 7950x 3d, but still concerned with core usage.....3d cores and non-3d ones. i like simplicity......@ a fair 350 price 😊

[@amirafshar2580]

Nice 👍

[@sidlake5954]

How on earth is it even possible that 7800X3D gets better FPS in most games than any of Ryzen 9?

[@TheCivicsiep3]

i dont see anything wrong with buying a 7800x3d over a 7950x3d when its a gaming rig. if you want gaming performance a 7950x3d has no benefit over a 7800 so really id say your better off with the 7800 its way cooler too which is also a win. and let not act like the 7800x3d is a BAD productivity cpu because although the 7950 will of course be faster, lets be honest for how little of that they prob do, the 7800 is plenty fast. and as far as upgrading every gen goes the 7800x3d is prob only slightly slower in games than the 8000 non 3d cpus will be in games so if they only game they should prob hold onto their 7800x3d until the next gen x3d chips come out

[@carlos-mw5ij]

This is exactly why I just bought a 5700x for my RTX 3090. I got it for 500 bucks used off Facebook marketplace. I had money for a 5800x3d but I really wanted the 5900x although all I was doing is gaming.

[@floorgang420]

Seriously? 5700x are around 200 bucks new around my place, is it in USD?

[@MrErball]

@@floorgang420retty sure he means he got a 3090 for $500. I just picked up a BNIB 5700x for $100, and a dell RTX3080 for $300. Used hardware is where it’s at for value. After selling old hardware, the upgrade was a whopping $100.

[@KOOLBOI2006]

thing is, 4090 is the best of the best regardless of 7900xt performance. However, just for gaming, it is alot closer between 7800x3d, 7950x3d and 13900k so it's not as simple as to just say that people with 4090 should get 7950x3d or 13900k/ks. I have a 4090 but currently i have 5800x3d, however i see more appeal in 7800x3d than 7950x3d and here is why. I also did side track last gen from 5800x to 5950x to then 5800x3d.. This is mainly down to me not being able to find 5950x at launch due to shortage in my country. Yes, i wasted money on 3 cpu's on the same generation but i have done that in the past with ryzen 3000 series, 9700k to then 9900k. If i do upgrade my PC this year, i'd go for 7800x3d over 7950x3d as they are cheaper and i will then buy 8800x3d next year so i'm making less of a loss on the CPU i guess.

[@diegolaporte4653]

Hello and the ryzen 9 7900x3d with 140mb cache would be a better option than the R7 7800 X3D ?

[@sayyanlt78]

Honestly, just a month ago I would disagree with your perspective on the 7800X3D due to being blinded to current fps results on video games, but your point on price to core count is spot on and extremely important with how everything nowadays requires so many cores compared to just a few years ago. My current 6-core processor is really starting to struggle with managing even multiple surface-level applications at the same time which tells me it's going to be a lot worse within just the next 5 years or so.

[@VontaiTV]

My friend's 3080 12gb, 11900k can't run minecraft @4k 60hz. And my advice to him was to stop running games at 4k I might wanna offer him a 3D chip/1440p build using that 3080. Then upgrade the other pc with a higher vram card for him. Is that worth? 8fast cores but gg. I have a 12700k 8 pcores for like 200

[@ZacAttackLeader]

Someone talked my buddy to " upgrade " from the 3900x to the 7850x and hes getting a 4090... he streams 1440p at 144hz with dual monitor. I keep telling him to go to a 7950x or just wait until the 8k series. The argument for them was they looked at benchmarks and they gave similar results, at $200 less. I asked him " Well yea... but what was the use case of those PC's? and how longer will it keep those results? Am I wrong?

[@mashi_8896]

He got a 4090... He should be able to afford 7950x3d. With that, he wont need to think if he needs to upgrade in a couple of generations

[@MVicarious]

I know this video is several months old, but did you make it before testing or watching any benchmarks on the 7800x3d? "If you have 4090 money you shouldn't be looking at anything other than an I9 or R9" is really just terrible PC advice. And the reasoning behind it isn't any better. You make the scenario sound so outlandish, when yeah, anyone primarily gaming is buying cores they don't need with the highest core CPU. With both AM4 and AM5, the R7 X3d chips perform as well or better as the most expensive chips, for less money. Having "4090 money" in no way means you should spend $300 more for virtually the same gaming performance on CPU. I don't see any reason someone who's just gaming with more than $1500 total budget should really be looking at anything other than 7800x3d.

[@ByteSizeTech]

I've tested the 7800X3D, my take on it remains. If you have a 4090, the 7950X3D is the chip you want. This doesn't make the 7800X3D bad, drop a 4070 Super on it and rock on. Do plan on a Zen 5 or Zen 6 upgrade however.

[@adamt3149]

the 7800x3d > than 7950x3d because of the performance issue