Relapsing on Kratom after 6 years of Recovery

The episode goes through my experience with Kratom, and how it affected my sobriety, and my overall experience with life. It covers a the grey area substances abuse that I have not seen many people talk about. Please leave me a comment down below if you or someone you know has struggled with Kratom and Relapse. Would love to hear your thoughts on the topic.

[@willmanderscheid4236]

I have been taking 20g of Kratom per day for a year, and have been a user for about 5 years. I just started a tapering program with the help of my partner. I went from 20g to 5g and it has been so rough. I thought of adjusting it in order to work and be more present. I did not necessarily have a problem with Kratom, but to me it feels now I have to take it just to feel normal. I would have to bring a 3oz bag anytime I traveled and take it in the morning and at night. The dependency and pain from withdrawal is very real. Wishing everyone out there the best with their recovery.

[@seawaterjohnmiller7118]

why did you switch from present to past tense, you said now you have to take it to feel normal, then i "would" have to take it, but don't you have to take it still now?.. you'd say i have to take it u don't need a would if you say now

[@elkgroveflorin5223]

I need help also. I will begin my taper soon. I'm at 40g per day and I'm sick of it all. I'm a guy that had no idea what the pitfalls could be. I was listening to a Joe Rogan interview and they discussed it and it sounded great. I heard many other interviews with natural remedies discussed and it came up again, so I tried it, and 3 years later I'm in need of stopping. It sucks, but it must be done. I hope you are well.

[@ReapingTheHarvest]

​@@elkgroveflorin5223 Listening to Agent Joe was your first mistake there.

[@jcal0482]

how are you doing?

[@pdevine999]

@@elkgroveflorin5223 I found a taper to be bad , you just feel rough for longer , better to just stop and go through 10 days of dread and then start becoming back to normal . I was a 30-40g per day user for 7 years .

[@pringals420]

Replasing is straight torture knowing that you'll be withdrawing again.

[@BirdieBlrrrd]

I quit ct 3 months starting January. Now I use a few times a week and it has no effect on sleep or energy etc. once your off it relapses don’t restart addiction. Takes about a month of daily use to become dependent again.

[@garlicandsapphire]

Hope you’re out there man, keeping it going. love you 🤍

[@elQuestionare]

im felt so alone with this.. but now i found this video and what u and the people in the comment discribe is exactly what im experiencing too. i hurt myself lifting heavy 3 years ago.. my back got really injured and i had so much pain. i used Kratom before for over 4 years without addiction. Just for one like once a week. It was never a problem. But thru the pain i had to take it to get along... its now 3 years of taking it and since last year i try to become clean.. i did like 6-8 trys to become sober but the cold turkey is to brutal.. both physical and mentally. i feel like i missed out so much in that time while being constantly alone.. i also lost my job last year (i invested so much energy in that job...) financially its not looking great + all the world drama right now. but i finally started working out again and gaining my muscles back. it really helps a lot feeling my body, muscle soreness and getting really hungry + making good food. since working out i stepped back from taking so much of it and the dosages getting smaller. im at 15-20 gram a day now and im trying to lower the dosage 1 gram every week. i have to get clean to take care of my family and friends and for myself. the kratom addiction got me into a serious spiral of negative thoughts. but its getting better. especially after i saw how many people struggle with exact the same symptoms. and with the training i have sense again and plans to make this my real profession which is important.. we need sense in life. thanks for speaking openly! helps me a lot! i will talk with my mom about this.. my family does not know about this. and my friends are not supportive when it comes to this.

[@jefflanton5617]

I've been taking Kratom for the past 5 years the beginning of this year I started my taper I'm down to 1 g a day biggest thing I've noticed is how much Kratom isolates you from everything and everybody and when you get off you desperately want to reconnect to people and things that you missed out on

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Can totally relate - it makes you feel ok being alone for a long period of time - definitely isolated me and I work from home

[@liltunturi1251]

100% You just get so attached to how you want to feel and reaching a certain state, that it completely detaches you from the ongoing life around you. It feel very dark and gloomy being in it. you only have certain amount of focus every day, and so if you are addicted then your focus is very restricted, because you put 80% focus on "I want to take a dose" or "im not feeling it enough, i want to take more". But yeah like you said, I used to be proud that I can spend lot of time alone without feeling bad and I loved my alone time, I could have fun alone. Now 2.5 years into kratom I hate who I am, and in withdrawals I just cant stand being with myself, I drive myself crazy with negative chatter and keep myself awake at night.

[@Nightowl333]

That’s pretty much what any opiate addiction does. It feels so comfortable you don’t need people or anything else.

[@aidandrake1297]

@@Uniquelyequipped Feel like Oxycodone did that to me but so worse finally sober and quit cold turkey but started taking kratom for torn rotator cuff i feel like anxiety from kratom is worse than any other drug

[@aidandrake1297]

@@Uniquelyequipped Love this story though glad to see you doing great and keep up the videos this is amazing for people to hear very relatable

[@lochlannthomson306]

Thank you for sharing your story Cody, I can see that it was very genuine. I am very glad that everything is going well for you now and that you have gained a lot of wisdom from your experiences. Peace.

[@44Bdogg]

New sub here buddy I’m an opiate addict also 3 yrs sober

[@archieg8009]

I had 2 years clean when I stumbled upon kratom while buying cigarettes from a smoke shop. I was curious, so I tried it. I was amazed that it felt similar to prescription opioids and was pretty much hooked right away. In the beginning, it felt great. Eventually though, it didn't work as well and I was irritable constantly, dosing every 5 hours.

[@gerf1023]

I'm an older guy. I have degenerative spine disease. I also have nephropathy in my feet and legs. My right leg is almost paralyzed and my left leg is weak. Standing and walking have both become difficult and very painful. I've been to see a whole host of doctors, none of them think there is much they can do for me. I've seen two back surgeons, both refuse to operate saying they can't do anything to help me. Nerve testing was not conclusive on whether my problems are because of my back or my nephropathy. So recently I started taking Kratom to help with the pain. 1.5 grams in the morning, 1.5 grams in the evening. It does help. All I'm looking for is pain relief. At my age, I know I don't have a lot of years left. I'm looking at living out the rest of my years with a manageable amount of pain. So honestly, I don't care if I develop an addiction.

[@iwilson6651]

I hear ya...god bless you sir

[@tongbokes5820]

Also a recovering opiate addict. Currently using kratom to deal with the opiate WDs since I am getting off 12mg a day suboxone (quit heroin 5 months ago). Giving this my 100th try seems like -.- Unfortunately I am 100% already addicted to the kratom. 4 am every night taking swigs because I wake up already fully sweating/restless legs/completely impossible to fall back asleep until I drink some. Such a slippery slope man but I will perfect this one day.

[@jm1733]

Have you tried just taking a dose every 8 hours? If I do that, I never wake up in the middle of my sleep. If I dose too often, I will wake up needing to dose just to get back to sleep. For me, just a day or two of lengthening my time between dosing gets me right back to sleeping straight through the night.

[@loveistheanswer5924]

How are you doing brother? 🙂

[@44Bdogg]

Congrats on quiting heroin I am also a heroin addict

[@John-gh9fr]

Thank you for making this video, I'm sorry for the loss of your brother. I found my way here due to relapsing after several years of sobriety behind me. It has been hard getting unstuck, this video gives me so much hope. These are just bumps in the road, we can recover! Thank you again.

[@TK-sz6nj]

Can relate to all the kratom addiction comments. If the goal is to ween down and get off, try using crushed leaf instead of powder. Make a tea out of it and spend a couple weeks transitioning completely off the powder to the tea. Crushed leaf has stem and vein in it and has different alkaloids that help with WD. Then once you're used to the tea, go for 100% stem and vein tea. This will help mitigate the physical aspects. Therapy and meetings for the mental support and long term sobriety. 🙏

[@danielbonner8309]

Enjoyed the video. I'm a long time opiate addict thats struggling with kratom. If you can use it in moderation it probably be alright but we can't. Basically as opiates do, it makes you content with doing nothing and you lose joy in doing the things you love.

[@cr-nd8qh]

Yeah I just decided to try some and see how long o can go without Suboxone. Well it definitely takes 90 percent of the withdrawal away and I am already forming a habit. Not surprised since I'm an addict

[@danielbonner8309]

@@cr-nd8qh Ya I originally used it for Suboxone withdrawal for about a month and got off everything. Then about 6 months later I was like I could just do some kratom once and a while. Quickly became everyday for 5 years now. Time flys on opiates

[@seahwkgrl80]

Recovering opiate addict myself, but have found myself also struggling with kratom. The end of your post really hit home with me when you said " It makes you content with doing nothing..." ty

[@ajbucks]

@@cr-nd8qh … I used Kratom to get off Suboxone (the 2nd time.) first time I quit Suboxone years ago, I didn’t even know Kratom existed. It was torture getting off. Years later, I was back on Suboxone and was scared shit of having to go through the withdrawals. Thankfully I discovered Kratom and quitting Suboxone was seamless. Of course, I was then addicted to Kratom but getting off Kratom was hard but definitely easier than quitting Suboxone. So if you wanna quit Suboxone, I think it’s worth the risk of getting addicted to Kratom. But you will need a plan to quit Kratom in maybe 2-4 months, not years. Quitting Kratom on your own without thinking about rehab is very doable. You’re not alone, we are all (or were ) addicts. Now I smoke a little weed here and there and that’s it. Cheers

[@oldschool8432]

Maybe it's me but I have bought an tried several kinds of kratom an I feel basically nothing. I wish I could feel the benefits from it. 60yrs old with oscillating spondylosis. So to me I just don't know how someone can be addicted to it oh I also have tried it several different ways to take it. Any help would be appreciated

[@baldmammoth]

Just randomly found your video on my recommended and just wanted to say I really enjoyed it! Hearing your story really helped me put things into perspective about my addiction. Here lately, I have felt like there is nothing I can do to change and I'll always just be an addict, doomed to walk to same path of addiction that my parents have been down unfortunately. But, hearing YOU, a random stranger, tell your story about how you beat addiction and came out the other side a better person with a good life. Thank you for the hope and inspiration!

[@marydoudan9777]

How much was he taking. It's not addicting in small doses 2times a day.

[@baldmammoth]

@@marydoudan9777 Everyone's different though. Small doses twice a day might not be an "addiction" for you or others but it you can become dependant on it easily.

[@PlagueXKill3R]

🙏🙏❤️❤️

[@loveistheanswer5924]

What drugs are you addicted to? 🙂

[@Emshelles]

Thank you so much for sharing your story. My husband is a recovered (recovering?) Opiate/heroin addict. He never gave up pot or nicotine. He's been clean for 13 years but has been having an issue with alcohol the last year or so. I can't remember exactly how long ago, but he started uaing kratom. He drinks it every day and it has been very concerning to me. He's never lost his temper before in the 6 years we have been together, but since he's been using kratom, it's happened twice. He punched a hole in our bathroom door over the weekend, and it's just not like him. I don't know why exactly he's using it. I thought maybe to help stop drinking? He says it just relaxes him. He's not like you. He didn't continue to go to therapy or stay accountable through any groups. I've asked him to go to therapy for years because he has a very low threshold for stress. Anyway now I'm rambling. Thank you again for sharing your story!

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Of course. I’ve met a lot of guys that got extremely addicted to it. Also it did make me more agitated and negative when I was using everyday - it’s like my pain threshold wasn’t there anymore to handle stress, or I itleast couldn’t compartmentalize it. I hope he gets better, Alanon helped me a lot with watching a loved one who was in active addiction. Thank you for the comment

[@atompilsner815]

Kratom is a (mild) opioid. He is basically relapsing. The effects are very similar to most opioids/opiates like morphine and heroine. Even though it's a lot weaker. That's why Kratom is used by many addicts since its pretty much the only legal alternative available. It can be a good substitute if used correctly. For me personally it is very difficult to stay at the same dose every single day...

[@camc7879]

​@@atompilsner815 I've been trying to stick to 2.5 grams x2/day and it is difficult. It's easy to compare myself to people taking 100 grams a day and think I'm doing good but I could see it getting out of hand especially if I continue for multiple years

[@lightofbabylon7]

If your husband is taking kratom id pat him on the back because he found a blessed plant that allows millions to be able to live daily independently of doctors and big pharma.

[@loveistheanswer5924]

Since I am taking kratom I am loosing my temper all the time! It makes me very nervous and I see things very dark! I hate being a slave to it but I unfortunately also like it in a way... Alcohol is way more harmful though but if he's taking both that's not good! 🙂

[@mattsheezy5469]

I’ve been on methadone for 18 years, when I try to get off, the contrast is overwhelming. The anxiety sends me right back to the clinic, plus I have to work (I’m trapped by social anxiety).

[@dennisrockbottomskelly7948]

WHAT a Great story and Super presentation. You gave a really good overall picture of what recovery is like. Also, this gives kratom users (myself included) something to seriously consider as far as continuing to use it. Thanks!

[@Jameskenomis3]

Thank you for having the bravery and care to share your story. It helped me alot. God bless.

[@Uniquelyequipped]

You are so welcome

[@pattiepizzato5547]

I’m not sure who to talk to about medication management before it ever gets to addiction. You know, to talk about the substance and what it does for me. Thank you for your positivity and generosity in your talk. Blessings ❤

[@kjswhathappened1837]

Thanks so much for sharing this story. I have used for 2 years and am coming off a week long cold turkey. It has been Hell, but my faith in Christ has helped immensely. It's getting better every day now. But that first three days.....😯😯

[@Uniquelyequipped]

You got this!

[@discbee9107]

Thanks for sharing your story. It helps many. Also sorry for the loss of your brother. 🙏

[@buenastardesamigo7506]

Cody. I watched this tonight and saw myself. I have a lot to tell you about all of this but I do not want to share this in the Forum. Thank you

[@lizag1461]

Appreciate your honesty and openness. Your insight is helpful. Thanks

[@ajbucks]

Kratom is great (much safer than pills) for those who have chronic pain issues and for people trying to get off harder substances. Of course there’s a good chance of getting addicted to Kratom but Quitting Kratom is very doable without thoughts of rehab. Especially compared to quitting opiates, Suboxone, etc. Kratom is also affordable compared to opiates unless you have a prescription which most probably don’t these days. So I’m pro Kratom under certain circumstances but I think it’s a big mistake for sober people to start using Kratom . It is addicting, the withdrawals are real, and it’s just not worth it unless Kratom can genuinely help you quit harder drugs.

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Totally agree Andrew - for an opiate addict it’s a slippery slope - it worked well for a bit - and am pro kratom if you are a chronic pain patient and or have clinical issues with mental health - thanks for the feed back man

[@ajbucks]

@@Uniquelyequipped … no problem, happy to give my opinion. Unfortunately, I have more experience dealing with this sh*t than I’d like to admit. Not just myself, but also some friends and acquaintances. Similar to you, I quit opiates/Suboxone and then relapsed years later. Years later, you just don’t think about how hard it was to quit the 1st time.

[@danaweaver920]

Beautiful video, very inspiring! Looking at you, you don’t “look like” the typical alcoholic or addict, you look so healthy and vibrant. I think it’s wonderful that you are allowing yourself to be so transparent and vulnerable, it’s a beautiful thing. You will help many people. I’m so sorry that you had to hit rock bottom before you could begin to rebuild, it’s a very humbling place to be.

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Yeah it was very humbling to say the least - thank you

[@ajbucks]

Addiction doesn’t discriminate. Rich - poor, all races, young - old, educated- uneducated.. I was an opioid/Kratom addict for more than 10 years.. I’m sober now btw. If you looked at me, I’m the last person you would ever expect was an addict. People told me I looked like a doctor. On the outside, I appeared physically fit, grounded, looked good etc. and I was also successful. On the inside, I was an addict. When it started effecting me in a bad way, I couldn’t get off. After many attempts, I finally made it through.. quitting was brutal.

[@danaweaver920]

So happy you both made it out alive!! 💗🙏

[@ajbucks]

@@danaweaver920 … thank you, me too. Unfortunately, there are so many people struggling.

[@plathrop7737]

There is no discrimination with drugs and alcohol. Park bench to Park Ave., Yale to jail, you get the picture.

[@randomrambo2273]

I've had a real struggle with Kratom. It all started for me when I had surgery and was prescribed a bottle of 30 percs and 30 oxys, I only took like 5 total for actual pain during recovery, then I found the bottles like a month later and started taking them recreationally, I found they gave me this just peaceful warm euphoria and I of course LOVED that feeling, it completely melted my anxiety/depression, well when I ran out I didn't have any plugs or any connections for more, I ended up finding out about kratom and how it felt really similar so I tried it, and it did feel very similar to me. I didn't have an opiate tolerance really at the time so kratom hit hard, it felt really similar to how the percs made me feel so I got really addicted to it. I've gotten off a few times and back on again, currently I'm actively addicted to it and taking a pretty large amount. It doesn't give me that euphoria anymore, I'm just taking it to not be sick. I am glad though that I found kratom and have no connections for actual opiates, cause if I did, I probably wouldn't be here tbh.

[@mr.fukk12]

Shit all you gotta do is go to the local methadone clinic ask a few ppl and bam you can get any opiate you want or go to the poor side of town and you can get whatever you want. When I needed opiates I just went to the black or Mexican neighborhoods to the gas station and it took a few minutes to find someone to get opiates. I don’t see why ppl take kratom when it doesn’t get you high but gives you the same hand cuffs as opiates do so your just wasting money and going in circles for no reason

[@chris73brown]

@@mr.fukk12 True but my issue w that is l hear its hard to find per say a real oxycodone on the street nowadays & that theyre fentanyl instead of oxy & lm scared to od cause fents much more potent than oxy. But if the dealer would be cool enuff to let u know that its indeed fent instead of oxy then it be ok cause youd be able to adjust your dose accordingly to your tolerance. As in dont take the whole 30mg pill & only chip a piece off. Cause fentanyl is a safe odioid if dosed properly. Its just super potent & easy to od on. Do u agree w what lm sayin? Any advice for me? Thx if wanna give me your thought

[@chris73brown]

@Michael Benson Yes. Agree. Kratom is the route l took. Thx

[@chillydoog]

Thank you for sharing. I hope your doing well.

[@sidimightbe]

I just relapsed after 4 years away, but I’ve been doing drugs not every day like alcohol and adderall so I think I can do it this time

[@kateb560]

Thanks for sharing your story. I’ve been using kratom for 4 years. At first I thought it was a wonderful miracle plant medicine and thought it was no more addictive than coffee. I’ve never been an addict before, now I am. I’m tapering off up to 60gpd. Down to 13. It’s hard at shit to get off. My hair is falling out, I have no motivation, I have anhedonia, anxiety, cold/hot sweats, can’t sleep. It’s terrible. But I’m doing it because kratom is poison and I can’t live like this anymore.

[@LukeSly91]

Kratom is not poison. Use it responsibly and its total safe. Everything is poison when its consumption reaches an extreme. Start taking responsibility for your actions and stop blaming kratom for your problems, thats how you take control of your life.

[@pauladeibler6296]

So proud of you. And so proud of the work you are doing.

[@KKILLIAN]

i dont think anyone will die from it. maybe liver problems after a long time. ive quit and came back to kratom a few times. i would much rather this than dope and suboxone, i dont feel good when i dont dose but i dont feel like im dying like the other stuff. been hovering at 1g dose 3-4 times a day for a while. its been working well. i always wanna quit after a while, and i do, but last months and go back cuz pain and everhthing reallg is bad. dirttrack racecar crash when i was younger, years of skateboarding jumping down stairs, years of overworking my body working 2-3 physical labor jobs at once, for chump change really. now i just work 1 job with decent pay. doing good. car, in good shape. ut ive been feeling like something else is wrong ive veen feeling reaaaly badly run down lately. its a hard journey, stay strong love yall

[@ronaldallard2593]

Thanks for this message. I have been sober for 20 years, alcoholic... I started taking Kratom 3 years ago to help with lower back pain and anxiety. After some time, I would wake up at night in cold sweats as my body started craving it as too long between doses. I have tapered to about 4 capsules per day down from about 20 at my peak. I hope to be fully off it in the next 30 days. One thing I must say is that Kratom has helped me deal with difficult times in my life. It has also given me more patience with my wife and children. It has also relieved the anxiety from work. All in all, it seemed to be a good thing. I do notice when I pray, I don't feel anything though. I think it is dulled my emotions too much. Many people tell me if it provides peace to me, it can't be all bad. I know better though... Wondering if I am still sober...

[@jm1733]

I take my kratom doses 8 hours apart. If I am not careful and take more frequent doses, I too will wake up in the middle of the night needing to dose again.

[@michaeldemerski3964]

You're an idiot bro

[@MCGeddelti]

Well, kratom is way better than alcoholism… i think that you should do exercise (gym/long runs) to get the endorphins going and thus not needing kratom to feel warm and contempt. You’re going to put the lord’s temple to use boi! For this to work you have to learn to love the gym. Sometimes exercise can feel just like a drug but with many multiple benefits. Take it easy but go for it ya kno?

[@brianswelding]

Keep coming back brother. God bless ❤️🙏

[@tommytullos]

GREAT show your story is Alot like mine. I used Ktatom to stop opiate's and I can't stop using Ktatom, so I will enter Detox tomorrow then to another rehab. Ktatom no longer helps me and I am spending 💰 way to much money on it. I enjoyed your story THANKS so very much.

[@loveistheanswer5924]

How is it going? How much did/do you spend? 🙂 How much do you take?

[@ricHCarboCarbea]

Kratom really helped me. If not for kratom i dont know what i do after the spinal cord injury. I Just take it responsabilly. No more than 15 grams per day. Between 10 and 15 per day. It has really been a blessing.

[@Spiegal5562]

That seems like a lot I take 2 grams at the most and that does help with my chronic pain but hey I've never had surgery so I'm sure ur just taking wut works for ur pain.

[@SpreadingDisease]

I took it responsibly too. 10gpd powder only for 3 years. It ended up tearing up my gi system. I had to stop ct so my insides could heal. The withdrawals are definitely real and will happen from daily long term use. I was taking it for back pain but it’s no longer an option because of what daily use has done to my gi system and hormones. Good luck.

[@billsanter]

Thanks for acknowledging the responsible use of kratom for chronic pain. I've been using less than 10 gpd for over 4 years without any issues. It's a blessing for me even though I know there are some people out there who should stay away from it. I worry about addicts giving kratom a bad name and causing it to be made illegal. Many chronic pain patients have already lost the use of prescription opioids because of the misguided war on drugs. It's better we spend the money to get addicts well than making substances that people abuse illegal and spend all this money on ineffective law enforcement and incarceration. Thank you for a balanced conversation. I wish you well in your recovery.

[@jm1733]

As a former LEO who couldn't stay in the profession due to having a moral compass and a conscience, I wholeheartedly agree with your comment. The system is not to protect people from addiction, it's to punish people for self medicating and costing the pharm industry money. I felt like the main purpose of LE was to generate revenue and protect the pharmaceutical companies and their profits. If the job was to protect people from themselves, we would have been arresting people who were obese, tobacco users, alcoholics. Alcohol and tobacco, along with food addiction makes the medical industrial complex money and is legal. Anything that helps people not need a doctor or a prescription is illegal because our economy is dependent upon people being unhealthy and reliant on pharma. They have the biggest lobby and that's how the system works. Very sad really.

[@aarongaffney6466]

Definitely interesting. I’ve been in recovery for 17 years, used Kratom for several years from crippling pain and zapped energy due to half a decade, battling Lyme disease undiagnosed. I don’t consider it a drug in the way that things that I used to use were, cocaine, alcohol, speed, etc. Very low risk of doing such stupid things, although you can definitely overdose with the extract! It’s very interesting reading such a broad-spectrum of peoples experiences.

[@ajbucks]

Yeah man, the opiates work great until they stop working entirely. Kratom addiction and withdrawals are almost identical to opiates. When the opiates/Kratom stop working, then you’re taking it to avoid withdrawing so you don’t feel like ass. That’s when it’s time to quit. Oh man, it’s so hard. Not the physical withdrawals, that to me seemed easier. It’s the PAWS, after a couple weeks when the physical part is gone and then it’s just mental: you feel down, unmotivated, helpless, quiet, depressed, want to avoid being around people, gf thinks you’re not into her anymore. The PAwS can last for several months. Suboxone withdrawal was the hardest thing I’ve ever dealt with.. cold turkey from 8mg per day was months of pure misery.

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Can totally relate - sex drive goes down - and you just feel alone at the end of the day - it starts out as such a upper and you feel great - then it turns on you - thanks for the comment

[@ClownAztec]

Wow this an extremely honest video thanks for sharing I can relate to a lot of what you are talking about

[@firestarter1115]

thx for this sharing... currently getting off kartom. was clean from strong opiates for 3 years and then i slipped into a full blown kratom addiction (+ seditatives and alcohol).

[@Penny_Royalty]

It’s a difficult question “am I seeking mental relief?” when gauging whether you should or shouldn’t with Kratom. Take Anti-depressants for example. They also provide mental relief, hard to get off of, withdrawals are awful, etc. but for some they are a life saver. And Some substances do all that but can ruin your life (alcohol, benzo’s, opiates). It’s a complex thing. The harm reduction strategy vs. the stone cold clean strategy. I’m not saying what’s right either way. Just acknowledging that it’s hard to decide the right answer - and maybe the right answer is there no right answer. Appreciate the video and your candidness.

[@mikejelinek8823]

Love this nice work brother‼️

[@StayDownComeUp512]

Week clean from 20-30 gpd cold turkey, cant sleep for shit but im happy af :)

[@SeekTheLordJesusChrist7]

I feel ya man. I’m 2 months cold turkey off kratom. I am currently on a low dose of ambien (5mg) and trazodone(50mg). The lack of sleep is why I always relapsed. Those two meds are saving my life (no sleep is the worst thing in the world) and I’m seeing the light of finally breaking the chains of Kratom. Few more months of this healthy sleep habit and I’ll be back on track. Did kratom for 7 years…

[@novakane4494]

Im a kratom user i take smaller dosages and the only problem i get from kratom is acne breakouts or sometimes my libido can be off im glad i dont struggle with kratom ive been a dependent alcoholic all my life and that was the worst legal drug i couldve ever took i been using kratom on and off since 2021 that and psilocybin and those have been a godsend for me i just dont abuse them and take them in moderation its all about having mind control you can become addicted to many things from caffeine, junk foods, sugar etc just gotta have discipline

[@killyourego1983]

agree on that bit of kratom and psylocybin can save lifes...one needs to have control and know how to do it.peace

[@newageinnerstanding1071]

Really enjoyed this.... great work.... sending you Love and blessings and a Life full of happiness !

[@joshnorris8970]

If kratom doesn't mean sober somewhat then I'll never freaking get there :( methadone detox broke my brain from basically a month of lost sleep. Like a full freaking month not sleeping. I was afraid I'd die after a while. I've been using kratom to regain some of that lost sleep. Baby steps I guess

[@jm1733]

Sober is the opposite of intoxicated. Kratom isn't intoxicating. Please don't let people make you doubt yourself. Kratom is much better for you than benzos or ssri medications, both which have withdrawal symptoms, benzos withdrawal being potentially fatal. I had a family member come out of treatment for heroin and opiates. I begged him to let me bring him kratom the day he left sober living. The "experts" told him that using kratom is still considered dependence on substances. They say this while puffing on a cigarette, lol. Needless to say, the family member died from a heroin overdose days after leaving the facility. Those idiots prevented him from feeling free to use kratom and it resulted in his death. Kratom would have satisfied his craving for heroin and he would still be here.

[@williamneuzil7403]

​@J M This. I know. FL here and I know a LOT of people who used kratom to get off opiates.

[@jm1733]

@@williamneuzil7403 yes, it's a wonderful gift, a plant that helps countless people. Unfortunately, that is why it's a target, it's readily available and inexpensive.

[@bobbyburke2396]

​@@jm1733 What? Kratom IS an intoxicant!

[@jm1733]

@@bobbyburke2396 no, it's not an intoxicant. Not pure kratom anyway, unless it's laced with something else. If it's ever labeled as an intoxicant, it's for nefarious purposes, to make it a scheduled substance for the evil war on plants.

[@MartyrLoserKing]

Weird how the Kratom advocates flock to videos like these to downvote and try to convince everyone it’s not a big deal. Yes it should be legal. Yes it can help get you off other drugs But it’s also very addictive and the withdrawal is very real.

[@SeekTheLordJesusChrist7]

Addicts gonna do what addicts do

[@unpluggedbug6744]

You should really never being using it more than youre willing not to use it. Ive had a lot of success in the past with only using it on my weekends, 3 days a week or so, although even then I'd still recommend taking at least two 30 day break/year so you can take a step back and clear your body/mind. I think of both those small and large break periods as control rods, neutron absorbers I use to harness the benefits of kratom for my own purposes i.e. treating boredom, depression, lethargy, ect while simultaneously preventing things from getting out of hand and resulting in an undesirable runaway effect..

[@vincedenney426]

I 100% identify with all of that.

[@thetimeisnow564]

I heard a guy on Healing2gether say that people should never take anything but powder. Those stronger hits can result in facing a life in shambles. Don't do it. Blessings and praying the Creator God will create a new life for those who are struggling. With whatever.

[@markbest9502]

Recently detoxed from Keaton and alcohol, which you are never supposed to mix, but damn I loved the combo. Tapered off both way too fast. Using Supreme Red Bali which is the strongest and most opiate like. The detox from both at the same time kicked my ass. Happy to be clean and sober. 17 days clean today. Going to meetings and finding support through friends. Peace be with y’all.

[@hynestimothy411]

I love Arizona

[@titaniummaster1532]

Wow thank you for sharing! I have a story of my own……

[@loveistheanswer5924]

Wich? 🙂

[@pattiepizzato5547]

Thank you for your story. Your honesty was helpful. I resonated with the inner dialogue with myself and is it authentic. Am I who I want to be with this substance. For me the answer is yes, when I use Kratom as if it are Adderral for ADD. It is actually much better than Adderral and it works well at a low dose, no higher than 11 grams. I must take breaks from substance. It’s not an everyday drug but maybe an every other day drug or every two days or as needed. Thank you for your story as I measure myself to you and work my own recovery:❤🎉

[@its.jessie]

hell yeah thank you for making this content!

[@Uniquelyequipped]

My pleasure!

[@seanyboy07]

Your story in my story are almost exactly the same. But lately the past year I get about two weeks sober and then I relapse. Like I was on my way to a 12 step meeting and I stopped and I just used Kratom and lied to my gf… like what the fuck? I don’t know how to stay sober

[@kratomfree]

Amazing job!! Thank you soooo much 🙂

[@Uniquelyequipped]

You're so welcome!

[@clintonburns4299]

i have been taking kratom for 3 years and i have speech problems because of it.. any body having this?

[@NaturalMushroom]

Crazy cause I’m in phx too and our stories are similar I got adhd and am 25 but there’s not that many places I found in north phx atleast so Ive been dealing with it on my own, still work 40 hours a week fine but I know I’d be a lot better sober

[@candidcamel]

Thank you for sharing your story.

[@freefrombondageofself]

Thank you for this video I am a non drinking alcoholic I haven't drank in over 3 years I am an opiate addict due to kratom use 10:25 , I use kratom daily now. I want to stop but can't shake it I'm addicted Physically I wake up with cold symptoms that progress unless I use Alarms are going off in my head 🗣️ I hold on to my sober date from the last time I drank I don't feel like I'm being completely honest with

[@Beyondthefirmament]

So are you a Christian? Amazing story by the way thank you for sharing!

[@MikeTheTruthThatMatters]

Did you patch things up with the wife you divorced or did you remarry?

[@AJBuddha]

Kratom >>> Fentanyl

[@MuffinstoMangos]

Try Tramadol...it was horrific. I have ADHD. Half ADHD people have addiction issues. They need a stimulant of some kind to make functioning possible. Even playing field. Not fair to have ADHD an even more unfair is being dx at 50! No wonder I've had issues...my son has it..

[@PlagueXKill3R]

Thank you for sharing ❤️

[@kratom_island]

May all living things be happy...we are farmers and kratom suppliers

[@stevendeards2422]

Watching here in the UK, great video, I'm on buprenorphine and can relate to you. I wish u luck and hope to see more videos ☺️

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Thank you! So much

[@aliciacastaneda1877]

Love you Cody Sorells❤

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Love you 😊

[@educationcentral_]

Did you ever get red eyes from it?

[@glockinshpiel]

It’s so weird bc when I first used it a few years ago it was so diff and it worked amazingly…I had energy and connection - everything. I stopped and recently started experimenting again and it has not worked the same. It has way more negative side effects and has distracted me from my program and connection with other people in recovery. I hope I can stop tho bc it has been getting more often and more often. Although I never do it two days in a row it is still scaring me. Today was the first rough day without it but it was nothing compared to daily use. This is literally exactly what I’m going through and it sucks bc I am supposed to come up on my year free from fentanyl meth and alcohol. I have to make a decision on if I’m going to have this party for a year “dirty” or do I not let someone tell me what’s right for me. I wish they didn’t make such a big deal of counting and birthdays.

[@johnnyledbetter2119]

I don't like the "heavy head" feeling of kratom it's a lousy substance

[@jesusalberto3145]

The problem with kratom getting popular and more people are talking about it is that whatever we tend to like and talk about, the government tends to takes away. Be careful what you say.

[@NigNog]

great story. thank you

[@MikeHunt90731]

Why aren't we hearing how Kratom helps people everyday? It's a great analgesic and anxiety killer and the best social lubricant I can think of. This isn't Synthetic opiates we are talking about her

[@melindaloa204]

I was told Kratom is NOT a drug period

[@Bob-bm1fk]

It's. Very powerful drug. The alkaloids in the leaf have many medicinal properties. It's pain alkaloids are 15 to 17 times stronger then morphine. It's only 2 percent of the leaf.

[@obetztyranthunter]

Anything that you ingest that affects your mental health, physical health, and give you a false sense of reality, is definitely a drug. Whoever told you otherwise is in denial

[@CaliforniaCardsmith]

It is… technically caffeine is a drug. Kratom hits the Mu receptor just like heroine… it’s a drug but a safer alternative to illicit street drugs

[@CultureShockGotchaShook]

I was told the Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy/Santa were real ……. So, clearly, we’ve both been lied to 🤦‍♂️

[@williamneuzil7403]

​@D-Fox-Collector kratom is a partial opiate agonist except at very high amounts. Then it has slight mu opioid receptor affinity. Its more like bupe. Saying its the same as heroin has a kernel of truth but is very misleading.

[@MuffinstoMangos]

So you mention you have ADD. Opiates increase dopamine. That is what ADD"S are low on. So what are you taking to help with your ADD...an any anxiety? Depression? Life is hard for ADD people. Executive function skills. Procrastination. Forgetting very important things. Messy. Starting a project an not able to finish. Over sharing or blabbing. Not fully paying attention when it's vitally important esp for work. Getting fired or quitting alot..never calm inside or out. Anxiety Disorder. Other issue's...

[@bruceswan896]

Zio 10 sounds so much like me. Starting things and not finishing also procrastinating.

[@BirdieBlrrrd]

It’s only a relapse if you think you can never enjoy it again. Silly approach imo. Kratom once every 5 years is some pretty good will power dude 😂😂😂

[@__-yu2mz]

I thought it was ross creations for a second on the thumbnail

[@noidontthinksolol]

i didnt notice kratom to be addicting what so ever ... took it to get rid of pain medication (tramadol). the positive thing about kratom that i have found was that the kratom is not addictive what so ever. maybe some restless legs i guess at night.

[@loveistheanswer5924]

😅 Good for you but for thousands of people on the internet (including myself) the Kratom withdrawals are HELISH and UNBEARABLE! 😫🤮😫😩 Some of the most painful experiences I ever went through!!! I am still addicted to it and when I ran out of it I basically lose my mind! I am literally going crazy and get a full blown panic attack! I just CAN'T take it! And I am usually someone that can handle pain very good!

[@noidontthinksolol]

@@loveistheanswer5924 probably mental addiction

[@nicoleyoung3927]

Hi there, I have a question… I’ve been off of opiates for two months, and just really starting to feel happy and normal as I was taking Suboxone, which is a longer process… But I took some kava with a friend last night, and after I realized it had 100 mg of create a minute as well, which made me feel so guilty… I normally wake up around 5:30 and I slept until nine this morning… That’s the only thing I noticed, but I feel like I may have relapsed… Do you know if this is a lot?

[@andrewaguirre1153]

Kava is not bad for you just makes you relaxed and little tired with a little hangover it's just a little better than harder options

[@d.menace9256]

I relapse on caffiene , I was pawing every single thing I owned , just to get tht cup of Joe 😅

[@ricknowak4582]

I wish you didn't have that background music playing. I really do want to hear you talk but it's annoying to me anyway.

[@dustinclark3390]

Relapse happens

[@Jaytino84]

Ross creations in 15 years

[@aphysique]

Damnnnit why? Did u try calling ppl, calling sponsor 😳 etc....I know easier said than done sometimes

[@lightofbabylon7]

God made us humans that is what we are and suffering lets us know we are alive but at the same time we were blessed with plants to help us cope with the aches and pains of everyday life, Kratom is no different. Kratom is a Godsend and you are sending the wrong message. Seriously if everyone just stayed sober all the time and in pain constantly what a miserable a** existence that would be.

[@loveistheanswer5924]

He is talking about HIS experience so it CAN'T be wrong! Kratom withdrawals are a NIGHTMARE and it's a very very strong addiction that can be also very harmful!

[@seawaterjohnmiller7118]

i just tried kratom for the first time yesterday and i'm very disappointed. was expecting it to actually do something but it barely works...... i'm guessing this guy the way he talks about kratom was never really addicted to opiates... he looks normal too, let's be real here these programs are addictions just as much as a drug which i'm guessing you don't even take cus kratom is not a drug

[@Uniquelyequipped]

Thanks for the comment - I was on a $200 a day OxyContin habit for the better part of 10 years - followed by heroin - brutal recovery process - kratom is nothing compared to those two, but it’s something lol.

[@loveistheanswer5924]

I even heard from 3 heroin addicts that kratom withdrawals are even more brutal then heroin withdrawals. They are obviously not but there are still a lot of real opioids consumers who say that kratom withdrawals are BRUTAL! It's definitely a drug lol!

[@templeofvampires]

Get that God meme out of ur head and u won't relapse so much.

[@lightofbabylon7]

Omg stop. You dont stay in recovery for years that is nonsense and the fact you consider kratom a relapse is comical. Seriously kratom is as benign as cannibas so please stop demonizing kratom and put your skills to making useful videos.

[@internetperson9121]

You kinda seem like an asswipe

[@ock538]

Kratom rules. Just do it

[@jasonmorgan27]

Love the shot of Thunderbird park at the peak of a great switchback climb up there. Sorry for your brother, I lost mine to suicide and he was my best friend. The Fentanyl problem is getting bigger and bigger coming through Arizona and Texas. Im sure just like 100's of other stories I have heard all it takes is a pinhead sized amount laced into anything to kill.

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

Blame the government that fully sanctions tons and tons of it flooding over the border every single day. A government loves a weak, dependent populace

[@johnnypiss]

I am a former heroin addict. I was also on Suboxone for over 5 years. I take Kratom every day, and the only things that bother me about it is the price (which really isn’t much but still, something I purchase that I could save money on if I didn’t) and the withdrawal symptoms I experience when I take sabbaticals from it. I also experience night sweats and I wake up feeling like the first think i need to do is dose. Aside from those things, Kratom hasn’t taken anything away from me. I gained a lot back actually once I quit Suboxone (which was HELL, btw). I’m in the best shape of my life and I’m very active and I have my hobbies back. My family respects me. My love life has returned and I’m dating a really wonderful woman (no sexual dysfunction from the Kratom btw lol, which was a concern but I guess I take a low enough dose for that not to be a problem). I don’t know. Part of me feels like I should do a taper and get off the stuff. I’ve quit Kratom many times with success in the past. But somehow I always found myself needing to get back on something, be it Kratom or pills or H. I think at this point, Kratom is the lesser of evils and it hasn’t taken anything from me, only given. So far, anyway.

[@The_best_comment_here.]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with taking kratom. especially if you have a depression problem. tons of people have depression issues and what they do is use drugs. Kratom is a freaking tea. And you know what the strange thing is? The only people who experience withdrawal symptoms like that is the people who have a prior history of withdrawal from opioids and/or opiates. So maybe…maybe-kratom isn’t the problem here. maybe it’s that your brain is still feeling the addiction to opioids or opiates. People think that withdrawal from that Stuff is only a week or two maybe a month. PAWS can last for years. “Years”… just because you weren’t feeling it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t still happening the entire time you were taking kratom. If you stop percs and go on suboxone you are still going through withdrawal. you just don’t feel it, but it’s still happening. People are dumb this way and they wanna blame something that isn’t the cause in the first place. (Not trying to point the finger at you just saying people in general, and maybe you may have made this mistake as well?)

[@The_best_comment_here.]

Especially since you were on suboxone for five years! I missed that part! that stuff is in your bones man! that’s gonna take a long time to get out.

[@johnnypiss]

@@The_best_comment_here. yeah, Suboxone withdrawals were heinous. I wouldn’t wish them on anyone. Well, maybe Hitler. Or Jeff Bezos lol. Kratom withdrawals are annoying, but nothing compared to Subs. Sub withdrawals lasted for, quite literally, weeks. It was terrible. Worse than heroin withdrawals for sure.

[@leonidtodorovski635]

@@johnnypisssubs are d worst wD mentally and yes it does goes in to your bones and you can actually feel it just makes you weaker and weaker it something that I tell people to never even consider mam

[@leonidtodorovski635]

@@johnnypissI’m wondering how much kratom were you taking ?

[@karaalsup23]

Please don’t think I’m being disrespectful, I’m not meaning to. Your choice of title concerned me when I saw it. I’ll explain why. Im 49. Chronic pain patient and recovering addict, as well as my husband. We have used Kratom, pure Kratom, not extract, for about 8 years. I am 1000% a Kratom advocate for many reasons. It has kept me off of opioids from day one! And ha kept my husband from even harder drugs since day one . I’ve met 1000s of people it has done the same for. I, in no way have ever considered myself a Kratom addict! Kratom is absolutely safer than any pharmaceutical ever made. Yes it can become addictive, but so can nose sprays and and food. Portraying it as an evil bad thing is not fairy to the plant nor fair to the people it has saved. Extracts, which are most common with abuse, is not Kratom. It’s adulterated. And I feel that it should be banned! But Kratom, absolutely NOT!!! There are people that have a gene that causes them to get addicted to everything. But that’s not everyone. Kratom can give euphoria, relaxation. But not a high! I’ve never been high. Euphoria and high are 2 different things. I would encourage anyone seeking the absolute truth about Kratom to watch healing2gether. He’s a die hard advocate but also gives the 💯 facts on every side . When utilized correctly, especially for pain management, Kratom is a gift from God.

[@elQuestionare]

he never said its evil. whats wrong with his title? hes an person that tends to get addicted fast.. and he ralpsed and talks about this. nothing is wrong with this.

[@elQuestionare]

21:00

[@internetperson9121]

Seems like you’re overly defensive tbh. He talked about his experience. If you take that personally, that’s a personal issue.

[@DavidLowery-l8w]

Would love to chat. How could I send you a private DM? 🤔

[@bersamagaza]

If you want to buy good quality kratom, I can give you the best price and I can send you a sample first

[@loveistheanswer5924]

What is your price? 🙂 Do you send to Germany? 🙂