Is the Gospel of Jesus' Wife a Forgery?

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

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[@Angelcity1345]

Hey, have you done "the gospel of mary" yet? you know the one that "The DaVinci code" mentioned? I know it's fiction, but would be nice to see an explanation on it.

[@ichijoescave147]

well in my country, religion is a tool for political agenda, and that issue already out of control.

[@albertakesson3164]

I don't find anything wrong with this video. In genera your content is well balanced and insightful. But there's rumors of Adpocholypse 2.0 - KZbin is demonetizing like crazy again. That's bad. I hate to pay premiumship for KZbin only to see good videos stripped unjustified.

[@stephendickinson7071]

Some one commented that Christian denominations number over 30,000. Where did they get that number, and is it anywhere close to the truth?

[@surgeiclason8366]

@@stephendickinson7071 it's from an ambitious protestant medical missionary that wrote the "World Christian Encyclopedia".

[@hosatk]

What I really like about your channel, is that I honestly can't tell where you stand on any of this. Are you Jewish, Christian, Atheist, Agnostic? Who cares? I appreciate that you focus on the historical & contextual placement of these ancient writings. It's refreshing and engaging, thank you!

[@Casper_Espresso]

It is nice that academic perspectives override any personal convictions that might direct truth for a political or religious purpose. I guess that's why they call them objective.

[@tinasnow_]

Yes cause it’s just a book . Culturally important but it’s not magic words of god

[@newaccount3743]

He worships the Old Gods

[@4uartaOnda]

@@newaccount3743 Word Gods?

[@mazoh3466]

Bless all

[@balin2k]

*Jesus hanging with his buddies tries to be funny, turns to his disciples and in a Borat voice says* My wife... *nobody laughs*

[@tommylakindasorta3068]

Maybe the full text shows Jesus was practicing his one-liners. "And then Jesus said, 'Take my wife ... please!'"

[@Brutaltronics]

*Jesus impersonates Borat* Disciples: *don't laugh* Jesus: don't worry, it'll be funny in about 2000 years.

[@coltonmiller4895]

Hilaro!!

[@sillybutt7]

It's not jesus' fault no one else had seen the movie yet. A lot of his jokes didnt land well because they referenced pop culture from the future. He would forget not everyone else was omniscient.

[@moisesmontecillo7570]

Waa waa we wa

[@a.t.6322]

In June of 2016, the woman who introduced the papyrus to the world, Karen King, after having defended it for several years finally admitted its probably a forgery.

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Yeah, I read the article from the investigative journalist that blew the case open. I made this video a year ago though. Maybe I should do a follow up.

[@danielgullotta]

I think a follow up would be good, especially following the Atlantic article. But you could go into the public profile of this, and look at what James McGrath has done on this, saying that "Although the Gospel of Jesus' Wife is a forgery, its content is anything but spectacular or unique. Scholars of early Christianity needs to educate the public on "shocking" authentic Christian texts in order to combat the sensationalism (and high market demand) for forgeries"

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Daniel N. Gullotta Good point. I have been meaning to do a follow up but have been lazy. And you're right...there are so many more "scandalous" authentic texts that no one talks about.

[@lizicadumitru9683]

ReligionForBreakfast Oh talk about those.

[@nunodapalma8696]

Poor women...can you imagine...7 years attacking her...she is trying to save her reputation...so sad how things work..conspiracy is t opposite..goes against t agenda of to many...7 years she resisted...very brave...

[@gospelbass7]

The things which I really appreciate of this channel, is that it is based on actual scholarship

[@pitelf3852]

actual perhaps but honest that tuff gem to find

[@asdallah2159]

Hi, Jesus has died on the cross so that we (perhaps everyone) may be forgiven for our sins (perhaps more). Please accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through him.🙏🙂

[@gospelbass7]

@@asdallah2159 God bless!

[@KevZen2000]

Sensationalism is easy to sell, and since Christianity is the largest religion in the world, it is easy to sell it. A lot of people consider The Davinci Code as historically accurate, which reveals the historical illiteracy on many.

[@spaceavocado3980]

KevZen2000 technically Islam is the largest religion but meh

[@fearlesscrusader]

According to Pew Research, there are 2.4 billion Christians and 1.8 billion Islam, so technically you are incorrect, revealing your own illiteracy.

[@aathanraan8819]

@@fearlesscrusader The number you claim depends on the Christian sect, if you take out the Catholics as its own religion (which you should, its dishonest not to), Christian's are actually the 5th largest cult. It's funny how Christian's love to come together for the numbers but constantly tell each other that they aren't true Christian's.

[@stephaniemohammed2635]

@@aathanraan8819 Islam literally does the same thing? So does buddhism, animism and almost alI religions have a sect or different schools of philosphy.

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

Most readers understood that it was fiction, which the foreword actually says.

[@mortalclown3812]

Your joy in knowledge is contagious and splendid to behold. Glad I found your channel.

[@eddiesantos7232]

is this a jesus fanfic?

[@aathanraan8819]

The new testament is the second fan fiction written. The Koran (Quran) is the third. Mormonism is the fourth.

[@aathanraan8819]

John itself is a copy. Lol.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

@@marcelszpak1460 Not according to the near-universal consensus of even secular scholars

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

@@marcelszpak1460 And the fact is, Jesus' existence is as certain as any person in the ancient world's existence could be. Whether he was divine, a prophet or whatever else is a matter of faith, but that there was a Jewish preacher in Judea and Galilee during the reign of Tiberius who was executed by crucifixion under the governate of Pontius Pilate (and that a number of people believed they saw alive afterwards) is near certain There's more evidence for the historical existence of Jesus than there is for Hannibal of Carthage, yet nobody disputes that Hannibal existed

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

@@marcelszpak1460 My point is, if one is going to claim a historical Jesus never existed, then by the same degree of skepticism, one has to call into question the existence of almost every historical figure who wasnt a ruler that commissioned surviving monuments and mint coinage of their likeness and reign. The evidence of Jesus' existence (again, his existence, not necessarily his divinity) is as solid and conclusive as one can get for a non-ruler figure from that period of history.

[@YoShiY32912]

While I was listening to your sharing; I thought about this scripture: Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

[@ericjohnson6665]

A prime example of male chauvinist thinking, which was true of his apostles, but not the Master himself... the latter part drummed up by the Vatican no doubt, as a rationale for celibacy. "Savior of the body"... what does that even mean? He is our individual savior when we follow his teachings, yes. The real Jesus treated women as equals, he was free from all bigotry. When all power was granted him following his ascension, he shared it equally with his creator mate, the Universe Mother Spirit.

[@Ricca_Day]

Amen 🙏.

[@nettejohnson7492]

@@ericjohnson6665 Jesus is the WOmaN = ma won... as HE lost HIS KINgDOm to the WOmaN

[@bufboston1]

@@nettejohnson7492 Which pronouns did our savior favor?

[@JiggsTheMonk02]

@@ericjohnson6665 if you’re so upset about “male chauvinism” then why don’t you emasculate yourself?…sorry,disregard,you already have

[@goldenpearlhealth4681]

Absolutely beyond a doubt my new favorite channel.

[@petrikokko1441]

The word used for wife in Semitic, languages of that time is "sister". It takes a very good knowledge of the context to interpret the Gospels.

[@perrydowd9285]

Wow just like in Tasmania today!

[@jonson856]

@William Burns even though it's a fabrication, it's still nice to know what the text is actually saying.

[@thescopio4113]

Coptic isn’t a Semitic language, but is in the same language family. Additionally, the word used in the forgery specifically means, “woman” or “wife.” Sister would be ⲧ.ⲥⲱⲛⲉ, as opposed to ⲧⲁ.ⲥϩⲓⲙⲉ (lit. My wife) in the text.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@thescopio4113 ok

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

That must be what Alabama people write in

[@cosmicskepticfangirl1356]

Woah, a 1st or 3rd century Shipping fanfic

[@pedros7341]

Humans never change lol

[@FranciscusList]

Actually, nothing new. Those times were full of it

[@danielsykes7558]

^^^^

[@wishgodgirl1903]

Well I’m not a “Jesus Fanatic” as one of your other commenters “tried” to say but I DO Love Biblical Archaeology, Love your videos and the way you explain things...

[@whatsyurprob158]

I SURE AM A "JESUS FANATIC".

[@gejyspa]

As an Orthodox Jew, I gotta tell you that "line breaks appearing in the same place as another document" is not improbable, especially when talking about sacred texts. Although all Torah scrolls have been handwritten for thousands of years, they all have their line breaks in exactly the same place. I'm not weighing in on whether that suggests these papyri are or are not a forgery, just saying that is not probative.

[@MatheusDeLimaDilima]

The point is that the line breaks accompany the holes in the papyrus.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Supposedly, the whole gospel is the size of a postage stamp... it suspiciously look like the remnant of a destroyed manuscript that escaped the fire 🔥 on some quick wind... Jews don’t destroy manuscripts even when they consider them heresies... so we can thank Jews for the Books of Enoch and other classics if they were the original creators of the site... Enoch may be in the garbage room but he’s definitely not in the garbage pile at Qumran and other sites... so thank you for never burning book, for reading and studying them, and putting them somewhere safe even though your people did not think much of the writer... If Qumran was still an active Jewish think tank, I know I could walk in & say “Can I please look at Enoch?” & they would either fetch it for me or take me to storage... Christians, however, could not give you a peek at the Apocryphon until archaeology rediscover it... so thank you, the Orthodox & the Reform... you be so coool 😎!!!

[@789uio6y]

This idiot just belive in Jesus😅🤣 Jesus was a radical Jew who fought against romans. Some idiot make him son of the God after his death. He was Jew all along. So christianity is a fake religion that romans make.

[@albertloan396]

Excellent. Eloquent commentary, interesting subject matter, and intellectual integrity...subscribed.

[@barryflintoff8347]

The Gospel of Philip doesn't say that Jesus kissed Mary on the mouth. There's a break in the text.

[@keithmahoney4390]

Absolutely correct which to me makes it suspicious that one word on where she kissed him is not there and leaves it open to interpretation

[@ironbutterfly12]

No matter where he kissed her, it was highly inappropriate especially in those days unless she was very close to him.

[@bgrowsmars3918]

Right , it said he kissed her often on her ........

[@bgrowsmars3918]

Philip also quotes or references all four canonical gospels therefore proving that they are all written earlier. Since I’ve arched this I’ve done some serious reading on the subject and it seems it was written third century

[@deansusec8745]

@@bgrowsmars3918 cooch?

[@jennleidig9062]

I wonder if anyone ever thought that my wife was in reference to the canon scriptures referring to the marriage of Jesus the bridegroom and the church the bride.

[@michaelogrady232]

Exactly! Just as the heavenly Father often refers to Israel as His wife. Merry Christmas!

[@michaelmunoz1802]

That's exactly what i thought once i saw this i thought he was referring to his bride the church

[@livclark8154]

I just thought of that. The Book of Revelation would've been completed by then, wouldn't it?

[@anitaendinand]

Nice one 🙏🏻

[@rogercarroll2551]

All that junk was from Paul's mental illness.

[@jhake67]

so... in retrospect the synoptic gospels could have been ancient forgeries too because they have lines that are identical word for word

[@mrjohndo04]

I am finding your channel very educational. Thankyou so much for your passion and hard work

[@kristiglinkaj5911]

Thank u for caring and sharing the Truth brother. Blessings, love n peace b with u.

[@HollyOak]

It did not say Jesus kissed Mary on the mouth. Where the word 'mouth' would have been was a hole in the parchment, leaving us only to assume it said mouth.

[@sdnlawrence5640]

I agree, On the other hand. The whole thing is fraudulent, but your comment does provide an opportunity. The most obvious response is never assume anything. for example; it could have said 'cheek' or more likely'kissed in greeting' since that is still a common practice of Semitic people (Arab & Jew; Muslim, Jew or Christian) to this day. (it took this American guy a long time to get used to it!)

[@bdawggification]

South mouth?

[@adityamohan1773]

Where else could he have kissed her

[@vlaminggarrulus4785]

@@adityamohan1773 the face, like this is mentioned elsewhere, even in the new testament.

[@perrydowd9285]

@@adityamohan1773 on the belly button or given the peculiarities of Indo-European grammar; on the steps, on the Sabbath etc. We just don't know. Anyway the Coptic scriptures are probably revisionist gnostic heresies. The Gospel according to John in The New Testament makes it quite clear who Jesus was offing & it weren't no chickywick. 🙈🙉🙊🖕

[@NickAlbano253]

Thank you for being unbiased and covering this story

[@monferno1]

And Borat said onto them “MY WIFE”

[@dwellyn]

I have just recently discovered your channel and am slowly working through it in reverse order. You are doing a fantastic job, enjoying it immensely. Your walk through on the analysis process was enlightening but I was wondering if they were able to test the ink for composition or age. It would be interesting to know and very telling I would think.

[@MossyMozart]

@dwellyn - Also, where the inked letters come up to the edge of the papyrus, do they wrap around the edge or are they torn off cleanly, with no ink wrapping the edge? Is that a "tell" or am I barking up the wrong reed?

[@brrjohnson8131]

I subbed after the 1st vid on DDS. Excellent! (Well Done, to you) it's refreshing to listen to you. Tfs

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

So how is this gospel called? The gospel of Dan Brown? P.S a 'fragment is not a gospel, without other sources naming it .

[@vlaminggarrulus4785]

Judas kissed Jesus on the face, like Jesus kissed his students on the face, so He did with Mary Magdalene.

[@philliprobinson7724]

Good point, kissing was common currency among friends. Nothing to see here folks, move on please.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

Is it possible that you might do a video on the "Secret Gospel of Mark?" I'm given to understand that it *might* be a forgery, but there's enough awkwardness surrounding it, and the circumstances of its discovery, that it's difficult to be sure. I'd love to know more about it.

[@789uio6y]

The biggest forgery is the bible itself. Nothing from the bible is a true jesus's teaching. Jesus was a radical Jew who fought the romans.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

@@789uio6y “Fought” in what sense? Like swords and knives and bloodshed, or passive resistance, or what? As for “Radical Jew,” I don’t have a problem with that. Much of what He said seems to fall into the category of the Very Angry Later Prophets who decried their own temple practices and priesthood for corruption and a lack of deep commitment to the faith, so, sure, no argument from me there. If you feel that the sayings attributed to Jesus in the Gospels are not the true things Jesus said, then what do you think *are* the true things He would have said? And do you have a source for them? Preferably a period source, but something more recent with reasoned logical arguments by respectable historians and scholarly types is also acceptable.

[@benazeman]

Thank you so much for this summary! This is super helpful for me as a divinity student studying this.

[@Catherine-Breton]

I think Mary might have been his wife but I prefer facts and I like how you are interessted in thruth and the science of research... Thanks and if you know more about it tell us cause I’m gonna follow you from now on !!

[@CountBojim]

You said that the author of this fragment probably didn't know Coptic and was likely copying from the Gospel of Thomas. You showed how text from this fragment matches up with text from GoT, but said the piece corresponding to "My wife..." didn't show up in the GoT. My first question is, if the author didn't know how to write Coptic, how would they have known how to write "My wife..."? Then it occurred to me that even if the author was copying from the GoT, they still would have to have had some knowledge of Coptic in order to copy and paste the text into a coherent narrative.

[@MusicIan423]

I really like your glasses.

[@brucesims3228]

Yep....facts can be stubborn and often times boring. Still it is refreshing to watch videos that hold steadfastly to supported research and avoid the hype. Thanks so very much for all you do.

[@lesliegann2737]

In reality, in order to be respected by his Jewish peers, Jesus would need to be married. So perhaps Mary was actually his wife but the Christians didn't want that because it made Jesus less pure in their eyes.

[@antoinebelle3506]

On the other hand, the traditionnal depiction of Jesus shows him not ever giving a *** about his peers approval.

[@rashedshahariar2748]

can u make a video about gospel of barnabus

[@AnimeOtakuDrew]

Has anyone carbon dated the ink?

[@McMoondog23]

Afaik carbón dating can’t tell you anything that specific. It’s more for placing the ball park within 10000 years or so

[@elliottray5926]

Carbon dating has been shown to be wildly inaccurate when used on objects of known age. It's basically useless as a dating method, and the premise for the method is invalidated by the fact that the earth's atmosphere hasn't even reached equalibrium.

[@elliottray5926]

@Sanjo Official right, I agree with you. We are saying the exact same thing.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@elliottray5926 stop listening to Ken ham and Kent Hovind

[@elliottray5926]

@@nathanmckenzie904 lol you seem to be under the impression that those are the only two sources from which one could derive the opinion that carbon dating is flawed and inaccurate. Try again.

[@stevenbollinger9776]

You did an excellent job, in just a few minutes, of untangling an enormous amount of confusion perpetuated by some MSM outlets. If only more of the MSM stories were written by experts like you to begin with! Anyway -- well done. I have no idea if you still look at comments on 7 year old videos, but, taking a chance: do you read Coptic yourself, or are you dependent on translations? Do you have any idea how many academics the world over can read Coptic fairly easily? (Hmm. "Fairly easily" is not a very precise term, is it?) And of that group of academic readers of Coptic, are many of them also members of the clergy of the Coptic Church (or would it be more precise to say: the clergy of the Coptic churches?)

[@kamcorder3585]

When I was 12 or 13 (around 2010), I had a Sunday School teacher mention that she was a person who suspected that Jesus may have had a wife (Mary Magdalene) based on some New Testament verses that could be interpreted in such a way. She made sure that we understood that there was not much strong evidence to support this. The 2012 discovery definitely caught my attention. It's good to learn to get a scholarly follow up.

[@HacolHavel]

Hi. Big fan. Not a video about hermeticism?

[@infernalsoror5079]

Yessss!!! Hermeticism please!!!

[@dguy7436]

I am in possession of a papyrus scrap showing a receipt from the dry cleaners that Jesus used...

[@dgetzin]

And Jesus said, "fake my wife, please!" I just flew in from Barbalo, and boy are my Archons tired.

[@laurabuehler]

Isn't it possible that the "forged," document was meant to be a copy of another document rather than a forgery? I think handwritten copies would have been the only way to disseminate extra copies to other people.

[@Grimoire933]

The reason it's called a "forgery" is because it doesn't suit the norm or story line

[@gingersnap9745]

That fragment may have been forged but from what I’ve heard from several Rabbi’s even back then to be a Rabbi you have to be married. I haven’t come across any documented sources on the subject though and for all I know they could be wrong. It’s an interesting puzzle though right up there with what are the odds that Jesus had no siblings.

[@bufboston1]

I was under yje impression that Jesus did have siblings, and that that was not a controversial understanding. The first Bishop of Jerusalem, James, was his brother. I know that there are many who insist that they must be half siblings, as acknowledging them as full would conflict with their understanding of whether Mary did or did not ever have an actively sexual life, but I think that no 'evidence' from scripture would lead one to this conclusion, whereas references to Jesus's brothers are, if not extensive, at least non-trivial. I'll leave to others to bring up the whole 'what did they mean when they said brother' argument, which I think is a little ridiculous, but I may, of course be either blinded by demonically inspired heterodoxy, or just wrong.

[@DrawnByDandy]

Nothing to cause a scandal like the suggestion of a secret romantic/sexual relationship! That's why it's a tabloid staple.

[@Josbi]

you're my favorite person on youtube, pls keep the videos coming!!!

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

+Josbi Thanks!! New video coming next week.

[@Josbi]

bless! 🙏

[@scottlouissmith2382]

I think because it's so old, and all the contradictions in it, the bible itself is a conspiracy theory!

[@MossyMozart]

@@scottlouissmith2382 - Nah, nothing so sinister. It is an anthology, a collection of tall tales.

[@christopherdiedrich40]

Great video! Really!Awesome researching and documenting , overall presentation!👌🏻 THANK YOU!

[@ethanstine4047]

Thanks for all the research you do!

[@JariDawnchild]

I'm very late, but I've got a question anyways. Considering the time period and culture of the time, if Jesus was kissing Mary on her anywhere, the assumption could be made that they were indeed close enough for that sort of behavior. If they were married, or even if they were simply in a monogamous relationship, how would that complicate Christian sexual ethics? Jesus was a Jew, it would have been expected of him to have a wife and at least a couple of kids. Whether he did or not, would it really change things that much? He was also at odds with not just the Romans, but some of the more elite Jewish priests as well, so if he wasn't legally married, that may have been why. Something else to consider is that he was teaching what would only later be called Christianity; he and his disciples were developing their religious rituals, rituals that wouldn't have been recognized as legitimate until later. If he did marry, it would likely have been with one of those in-development rituals. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I'm genuinely curious.

[@xoxb2]

I agree. I found this video a bit less convincing than most of this chap's ones. The dismissal of something that was written in the second century sort of implied it was made up then. Why couldn't it be the only surviving written text recording information that had been circulating ever since Jesus died? It would strike me as more noteworthy if he were celibate, and you might expect the gospels to go on about that. Having fun with Mary Magdalene might be less worthy of comment. She was very beautiful, after all, as you can see from the Martin Scorsese film.

[@JariDawnchild]

@@xoxb2 Right. There are so many tiny little details about the daily lives of those who came before us we know nothing about that were likely seen as so common as to be considered not noteworthy. There's a phrase in the historical dressmaking/tailoring/costuming/whatever books that have gone digital so their contents aren't lost and something that annoys a lot of folks who do that sort of thing is "finish in the usual way". What was the usual way? Back to the topic, it's well-known that our ancestors weren't nearly as big of prudes as we are today. We've no idea of the biblical characters' "usual way", and I fully expect our distant descendants will be just as frustrated with us. I firmly suspect if Jesus and Mary did enjoy eachother, it wouldn't have been commented on because (so far as we are aware) they were not legally married by any officially recognized law, they had no children, and there doesn't appear to be any evidence of wealth between them. It may well have been a common man of no consequence who later became a criminal (what the majority of society would have seen Jesus as) and a "prostitute"(what they would have seen an unattached woman who was responsible for her own living as) and what they did with eachother wasn't deemed important enough to record. The slant of the bible's authors and the time period they lived in would have to be taken into account as well.

[@dsszerothlaw]

I recommend Lynn Picknett's books on Mary Magdalene

[@JariDawnchild]

@@dsszerothlaw I'm going to look into those. Tyvm. :)

[@kellywellington7122]

I remember the flap over the 'James Ossuary'. I hear Golan walked away from that scot-free. Funny, in that the last photo I saw of the ossuary itself was atop a toilet tank that was reputedly part of Golan's rooftop archeological chop shop.

[@beardedroofer]

It's my understanding that his disciples called him teacher, or rabbi. The tradition at the time was that you couldn't become a rabbi unless you were married, so it makes sense that Yeshua would've had a wife. It doesn't take anything away from my trust, faith, or belief. To me, it only emphasizes Yahwehs love for mankind.

[@doop6769]

That's how I look at it. Married or not it doesn't change the meaning of anything. My understanding of the whole celibacy thing, is it was made up by the church because they didn't want to have to support whole families as opposed to just one priest.

[@Urfavigbo]

​@doop6769 Eastern Churches still have married clergy. It's really not about the money.

[@northernzeus768]

You know it’s a forgery when the sentence cuts off right after the controversial phrase.

[@jamiebackes8909]

I enjoy your work so far. But, unfortunately, you keep using the word Conspiracy. That word comes with stigma. To most people, it refers to, for example, the crazy conspiracy theorist that wears aluminum foil hats in the '50s through the '70s in America. But, come to find out, aproximintly 90% of those "conspiracy theories" were true thanks to the Freedom of Information Act. It's a "theory," not a conspiracy. The word "conspiracy" puts people who just seek to prove or explore a theory at risk of being looked at as crazy. Then chose to not pursue the truth. At least that's how I see it. What is your opinion?

[@alwqasalwqas3943]

the prophecy of Massiah in the old testament (Torah) says that the messiah (jesus) will live till he sees his sons ..... and this supports the gospel of jesus's wife

[@canadianchristian2314]

Alwqas Alwqas: KINDLY INFORM US ALL READERS AS TO THE QUOTE IN TORAH THAT SAYS MASIACH WILL SEE HIS SONS.!

[@alwqasalwqas3943]

@@canadianchristian2314 Hi ... read this please ...His life will be prolonged (extended) and he will live to even see his children (Isaiah 53:10 )

[@neilsumanda1538]

The jews however do not believe that Yeshua is the Messiah.. that's where we got tangled... so any conclusion derived from this argument is hersay...

[@hlb0111]

Have you investigated Jesus' lost years, before he began his ministry, and what is your view of the Book Of Enoch abd the Apocrypha? I'm constantly seeking truth on these subjects but don't know who to trust.

[@Derroni1]

hlb0111 you probably know the TRUTH now. This guy being pushed buy a darker power. I was bout to subscribe until he told on himself.

[@allanhalldorson7006]

All people that accept Jesus as their Lord and savior are "betrothed" to God. It is a spiritual statement that Jesus is our Father. We have to learn to discern spiritual from human. humbly...allan

[@bryanbridges2987]

hlb0111 Trust the Bible. It wasn't written to 'control the masses' or something; it was written to convey what the disciples saw and heard.

[@bryanbridges2987]

TheGhostrider1959 Were you writing to me?

[@bryanbridges2987]

TheGhostrider1959 I just wanted to know for sure. I know how the canon was assembled. Don't assume I assume.

[@mistermagoo8685]

This guy is pretty great and professional

[@EzraB123]

The actual Jesus was most certainly married, but he's so far removed from the mythological latinized character of the Gospels that it's basically irrelevant.

[@superduck6456]

Is there actual historical evidence for that, or is it just though some sort of reasoning?

[@EzraB123]

@@superduck6456 the culture that Jesus observed, was born into and raised in. You got married. Celibacy is explicitly forbidden in Judaism, both in the modern day and in those times.

[@mvmlego1212]

@@EzraB123 -- Jesus was an outlier in a lot of ways--enough so that being unmarried probably isn't even in the top three. It's highly plausible that his refusal to marry contributed to the Jewish authorities' ongoing disdain for him.

[@christyioran2969]

Jesus, in a Borat impression: "my wife"

[@benjalucian1515]

Isn't it the other way around? It was totally normal for a rabbi to be married. Most all Jewish men were married and married relatively young. It was actually out of the norm for a Jewish man to be unmarried. The only ones not married were those who belonged to strange cults. Jesus may have been in one - the Essenes - but otherwise it would totally be expected for him to be married.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

...and he often kissed her on the [mouth]....or maybe [forehead]...or maybe the [cheek]....or maybe [hand]. Way too many possibilities here. I've always doubted the popular interpretation of Philip.

[@dyvel]

Even though this one seems hard to dispute to being a forgery, copying text doesn't make the copies forgeries. Otherwise the entire bible would be a forgery as we neither have the originals, nor know who wrote them down. If one writing is copying existing text, the possibility that the gospel also does must be taken into consideration. We can't determine whether a possible original to the wife's gospel existed and was buried, destroyed or excluded by the church because of it's harmful content, or whether it's made up by the author. Just like the rest of the bible.

[@KCAugustine]

Gospel of Philip, 'Wisdom and Mary of Magdala' (63,30-64,9). 'Mouth' is bracketed because that part of the manuscript is damaged. Citation numbering per 'The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, The Revised and Updated Translation of Sacred Gnostic Texts, Complete in One Volume'. Meyer, Marvin, Ed. HarperCollins, NY NY, 2007.Cheers.

[@lordfraybin]

Can't they also analyse the ink, which would help determine when it was written? Yes they can, but no mention of that here. Just a lot of speculation. Maybe this, maybe that. If the ink also dates it, then it's authentically from ancient times. The truth of it, or any other theist fantasy, is still highly suspect.

[@proverbalizer]

Yeah, I was really wondering why we are talking about the brush but not the ink?

[@gregoryyoung4604]

They demonize... I mean demonitize, because you create scholarly, clear and concise videos without the usual flame fanning vitriol and hatred of so many!

[@Plopiccolo]

Thanks for this informative video. You mentioned Nag Hamadi in your video, and I remember one of the collection being stolen off a professors desk before it was able to be translated. I think it was called the Gospel of John the Baptist. Do you know if any other versions of this book were found? Also wasn't the Gospel of Thomas older than the Gospel of John we find in the bible?

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Paul LoPiccolo I haven't heard the story about any Nag Hammadi texts being stolen...but to answer your question about whether the Gospel of Thomas predates the Gospel of John, the answer is a bit complicated: Although both texts are composite texts, Thomas has both earlier and later sources than John. Some of the "Jesus sayings" in Thomas probably date back to Jesus himself, while some of the more "Gnostic" sounding verses date to the 2nd or 3rd century. John, on the other hand, probably dates entirely to the late 1st century (our earliest fragment of John dates to about 130 CE, so its composition was earlier than that). So, our version of John is earlier than our surviving version of Thomas. But both contain sayings that date back VERY early in the 1st century.

[@EuphroseneLabon]

An excellent teacher and scholar, as ever.

[@DogSoldier1948]

The wife of Christ is the church,the elect,the called out

[@Grimoire933]

And who are you to make such statement? Last time I checked nobody here lived back then

[@littlebrown1505]

I wouldn’t listen to this guy.

[@J3rs3y_G1rl]

Jesus had no wife. However if His mission had allowed Him to have one, Mary Magdelene would definitely have been likely.

[@joecaner]

When I'm rushing on my run And I feel just like Jesus' son And I guess that I just don't know And I guess that I just don't know - Lou Reed

[@micheledix2616]

I was under the impression that in the times of Jesus a man who was called Rabbi was expected to be married and not act like a celibate monk especially as he was well and truely of an age to be married. The women disciples were always there with the men. Remember the vigil at his tomb , it was the women not any of the men. It makes perfect sense that Yeshua ben Yoseph was a married Rabbi and that Mary ( Magdalene) was his beloved

[@thomasbressler4575]

The church is the bride of Jesus Christ.

[@chocopotpot6771]

Thomas Bressler true

[@thomasbressler4575]

Choco Potpot This video was not bad.i think it's best too read the books before judging them.some are not good fake but I did read the book of Enoch and found nothing wrong with it and Some other ones.allways use the bible and the Gospel as a guide.

[@joewright2679]

YES!! BUT I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT JESUS BEING A MAN IN HIS 30'S NOT MARRIED, BEING A GOOD JEWISH BOY AND ALL!!

[@RaphaEl-pn8ue]

Jonathan Soko have U read it?? The book of Enoch??

[@RaphaEl-pn8ue]

Joe Wright are all good Jewish men married??

[@2Sor2Fig]

Lol, I only recently subbed to your channel (past year or two), and I'm now going through the back catalogue. Baby-faced clean-shaven you is adorable.

[@LoyMoneyBoy]

Well I know God refers to his church as a bride so 🤷🏽‍♂️ but also the Bible talks about false doctrines that’s been around since man could start doing so.....but it’s funny how everyone constantly forgets

[@commentsedited]

Some times you'll also look at what wording order is written. It's also a very good way to date writings.

[@benjalucian1515]

The Bible is OK with forgeries. Half of Paul's letters are forgeries and they're canon.

[@clovisthebloody9820]

The word mouth is a lacuna or unknown break in the fragment so we don’t know where Jesus was kissing mary

[@hassanm2357]

Next release .. The gospel of Mary Magdalene

[@macD723]

Yet, there are those with PhD's, that know this stuff more than you, say it's not fake. Why is it so hard for Christians to believe that Jesus was married? He was a jewish male. He followed jewish law to the letter. The law of God says that all males must take a wife and multiply. It's doesn't say "except for Jesus. He doesn't have to do that." I'm a non believer, I don't believe in some all mighty magical creature, but I believe that Jesus did live. I believe he was a good and righteous man, that wanted to see his people live a good life, and tried to fight the powers that were to achieve that goal.

[@tristanbaravraham6349]

Man, I was hanging on every word and I’m Jewish 🙀🔯 PLUS astronomy is my bag. GREAT stuff! I hope you are working on a historical detective novel on the side.

[@samuelfraley8737]

Jesus: *in Borat’s voice* “My wife!”

[@ZondyYT]

Is this changing God's word? Gospel of thomas does not belong to canonical books... At least this is a heavy blasphemy

[@johnb6723]

God will punish very severely whoever wrote that diatribe.

[@pttfubu]

@religionforbreakfast hello! Could you please leave a link to the instrumental that was playing in the background? Ty vm, God bless you!

[@pearspeedruns]

The description cites the composer, if that helps

[@robinwilson-sauls9891]

OH MAN!!! PLEASE cut out that obnoxious background noise! You have valuable input- that's all we need!

[@EarnestWilliamsGeofferic]

I'm so glad you eventually learned how to get a haircut.

[@xxstarbrite02xx30]

I kind of wish Jesus had a wife, it would be nice to have someone to ship him with lulz

[@kthemaster1999]

I ship him with Peter

[@queenqueen4362]

Seriously??

[@FlyingJunk]

I love this channel.

[@nthnppps]

How did they find out how to spell "My wife" if just copied from thomas

[@dysonsquared]

nthnppps they were fluent in coptic, or knew a scholar.

[@Natalie-qs3kt]

Bentley Laytons Coptic in 20 lessons was published in 2007

[@prater6513]

"My wife" appears in the Gospels. Could have taken it from a Coptic New Testament.

[@milascave2]

But didn't you say that there were changes in the book of John changing "May" to Mary and Martha? And that those changes indicated that the Mary from that story was the same person as Mary Magdelene, meaning Jesus spent even more time around her then we thought, increasing the odds that they were spouses or something like that?

[@NAHAJI133]

Why would not our Father not want his son not to know love between a man and a woman. Forgery or not , as a jew Christ would be expected to be married.

[@sjappiyah4071]

Why would he go threw the Trouble of marrying and having a kid if he knew he was going to leave the earth?

[@darthmcgee2216]

kat Mats Non sequitur. Jesus would have been expected to toe the line of the Jewish authorities as well. Jesus being married is nothing but conspiracy land fantasies and barbaric Islamic dreamt up nonsense.

[@joshlower1]

Samuel Appiah because marriage is eternal

[@fabriziosemiglia3128]

Great explanation.

[@soylentgreen6082]

Jesus in scripture is referred to as a Rabbi. In Judaism you cannot be a rabbi without being married and that has been historically invariable.

[@sarahharris2729]

In the story of the man blind from birth, he is referred to as Rabbi, but these people also hung on his every word and questioned him, believing he had complete gnosis of Yahweh's spiritual laws regarding the man's blindness. He also healed and did work on the Sabbath in that same story, something a "true" Rabbi would not do (and in fact angered leaders) or preach on a hill, instead of in a Synagogue. There's various indicators of unconventionality here and yet he was still referred to as Rabbi. I am also sure there is process and ritual in becoming a formal Rabbi, of which there is no writings saying Jesus underwent such formal training. He would also have fallen short today, in studying Kabbalah, as marriage and being over 40 years of age being a requirement if one was to take Talmud and Jewish law literally.

[@soylentgreen6082]

Sarah Harris I agree that the story has inconsistencies. BIG inconsistencies. I personally don't think that Jesus ever existed, but this sort of scriptural anomaly and its explanation is always an interesting exercise.

[@marymasaba6190]

Soylent Green JESUS CHRIST IS REAL. HE LOVES YOU. REPENT AND GET RIGHT WITH HIM. THERE IS NO TIME. GOD BLESS YOU.

[@Alusnovalotus]

Soylent Green lol I just wrote this same point!

[@evolvingmovements3199]

Judaism has no say on how a rabbi has to be married. Judaism doesn't even acknowledge Jesus as the son of God. Judaism is the "words of the pharisees and sadducees" basically

[@kerrid5717]

Id love if you did a video on your own personal religious beliefs, they are clearly extremely well thought out and researched

[@kelsiemoschell1595]

Kerri D same! Please do one

[@MossyMozart]

@Kerri D - I prefer not having it spelled out. I do not want to watch future videos always with the constant eye out for bias.

[@robertlivingston6964]

I found the music behind your voice very distracting.

[@esprit-critique]

Excellent video. However two importants questions have not be asked 1- Who forged that document? 2- For what purpose? Do you have any assumptions about or information?

[@esprit-critique]

Thank you for the tip. I just finished to read the long (too long?) article...It is an extremely thorough investigation even when the journalist tries to determine the motives of the forger! The whole section about his pornographic past is mind boggling!!!

[@aqtruthhurts8761]

Thank you for sharing. For my ignorance, It would not change my faith if Jesus had been married. Its only the Roman Catholic Priests that make a big deal of remaining celibate.

[@yaff1851]

Do correct me if I’m wrong but, Jesus not being celibate would complicate CATHOLICISM rather than Christianity in general. The concept of celibacy is a lot younger than Christianity, and the justification by Jesus supposedly being unmarried himself to set an example wasn’t its original justification.

[@NeoLegendX]

Forged His wife would be in the canonical

[@PtolemyJones]

Curious what the ink was made of. If this was someone copy words from a language they didn't know, how did they know the phrase 'my wife' and where to put it? Just curious.

[@copperlapislazuli4156]

I have heard of this case. Many people still don't believe me when I tell them this is a forgery.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Possibly because it’s not... or possibly they regard there is no more manuscript on site as highly suspicion...

[@copperlapislazuli4156]

@@cheryldeboissiere1851 it is a forgery…. Karen King, the women who supposedly found the script, admitted to be a fake in 2016.

[@MrChristopher42]

Kissed her often on her (unknown), could be foot, cheek whatever

[@orange-thing]

Why would the other diceples be so angry about it, however?

[@ZimoNitrome]

The script literally did a Borat with the "mah wife"