Remington 870 vs Mossberg 500/590

[@old-school1969]

RIP Barry, coming back to watch these older vids sure tells how great you were for the community.

[@theavenger1715]

Trevor Smith the old guy died?

[@StyrbjornStarke]

Trevor Smith How did he die? I heard he had a drinking problem or something.

[@mikeperry5598]

StyrbjornStarke Natural causes. Let's honor his memory by not bringing up hearsay of personal demons. We all have them. Never cast aspersions on a man that can't defend himself. Let's just remember him in a positive light for his work and contribution to our community. R.I.P and God bless, Barry.

[@Gumbie2009]

Trevor Smith wow had no freaking idea

[@ChristianGames316]

StyrbjornStarke He did, but he had a heart attack. He was battling that drinking demon for a long time, like a lot of old timers.

[@wallabing]

It's very good both shotguns exist. They create competition and keeps both of them cheap and affordable.

[@corbinkay3848]

+wallabing Which is why I own both.

[@stinkbean1]

You mean quality and affordable. Cheap and affordable sorta mean the same thing there hoss.

[@elche1976]

Kinda sad how quality has tanked with Remington in the last decade. They aren't what they used to be. Only way I'd buy Remington is if I found an older model.

[@TheRustedShackleford]

Facts

[@orthocatsr.8723]

You just proved the plight of capatalism lol

[@TheRustedShackleford]

Missing Barry all these years later. The man, and these videos, helped me so much as I got into guns in my late 20's

[@FunkyPertwee]

My primary defensive longarm has been a Mossberg 590 Special Purpose 20" for almost 13 years. I prefer Mossberg because of the superior ergonomics, light weight, durability, and easy ability to strip it. Plus replaceable ejectors. And especially low cost.

[@bigtime474]

I found a 500 Mossberg in a shop. Military grade. 3" magnum. 12ga.

[@Nathan-og3br]

I miss Barry, he reminded me of my dad, may they both R.I.P People like him use to be very common, now you're lucky to meet someone as genuine, as the real old school folks like them.

[@Quality_Guru]

I realized that Barry is no longer with us, but it was very nice to see his memory kept alive in your videos. Loved the intel that you provided.

[@PatriotNC1]

I'm a lefty. I like the Mossberg top tang safety.

[@wanderingwizard8251]

same here. buying a bolt action is not an option

[@TheGarratc]

Same. I'm a lefty and I can't stand the controls on a Remington. The cross bolt safety I can live with but I hate the position of the slide release on the 870. Not sure if that has anything to do with being left handed, but on the Mossberg I can work the safety with my thumb and work the slide release with my middle finger, don't have to move my hand a bit

[@wanderingwizard8251]

***** yes I have nothing against Remingtons performance just there controls

[@flanman1905]

+jake gus my 870 express has failures to eject at least 1 every 1-2 boxes of ammo and I completely disagree with the recent quality control

[@reisysv.felicitysumeragi3490]

Another lefty here. The Remington's controls are a dealbreaker for me. Ambidextrous or bust.

[@dc68781]

Like the part where Barry says I would just get a 590! R. I. P Barry!

[@brandonsusich]

What do you mean R.I.P. Barry????

[@dc68781]

Barry passed away, check irag

[@dc68781]

Iragveteran8888 channel

[@levibradley3758]

When I found out, I was so sad. :'(

[@MegaChubbyboy]

Brandon Susich Barry died in April of a heart attack. Great guy.

[@michaelchevalier9859]

Have had an 870 for a long time. Shot many grouse, used both the long barrel and a sabot barrel for deer. Never failed, never jammed, worked in cold, snow, freezing rain. Love the Remchoke. It's easy to change. Love the feel and the ruggedness and the accuracy.

[@texnwar]

Michael Chevalier Use a.22 LR... little more skill involved and no pellets to remove.

[@calebdoner]

8 year old content still solid and super applicable!

[@harleymichael83]

To each their own, you can't go wrong with either but I have used both and I lean towards the Mossberg and prefer it for several reasons. Dual extractors for shells with the Mossberg where the Remington only has one, a solid barrel bolt lug lockup, I find the slide release more comfortable and not having to readjust the hand, the open shell feed for high-stress situations and another one that people often mistake for a defect is that the Mossberg has a bit of play in the forend which actually allows for easier cycling in any of the slightest misalignment problems with the slide arms. My friend's Remington has no play in the forend and on the outward appearance it would appear to be better built but the slightest misalignment problem with the slide rails caused a huge crack down the middle of the forend under normal cycling and he shelled out some serious money for his Remington while my Mossberg Maverick was only a couple hundred bucks. The one thing the Remington has the edge is the steel receiver but I'm not sure that it's really a deal-breaker. I actually prefer the Mossberg Maverick to the Mossberg 500 because it has the safety location on the trigger group like the Remington. I highly recommend polishing the internals of either with a felt wheel and polishing compound on a Dremel to eliminate any casting flashes to help with smoothness and reliability, remember smoothing instead of metal removal. Have fun and stay safe.

[@harleyutterback8218]

Hunter Jordan His was older the stock is still in pristine shape but the forend got a crack down the center from fatigue. Most Mossbergs have a little side to side play while the Remington is stiff. My understanding is that under any misalignment or malfunctions if it is forcibly racked that the tight tolerances place the stress on the forend. For an older shotty it's a reliable beauty with the exception of that.

[@harleymichael83]

It's a somewhat common problem if you do a Google search. I don't think it''s just Remingtons I'm sure but any kind of wood forend but from what I understand the tight tolerances stress it a little more. Nothing to really sweat, all that much excuse for him to get a new furniture set for it. Still cycles really well although I did notice his action release is a little more difficult to depress than that of that of the Mossberg.

[@harleymichael83]

Hunter Jordan In all honesty I think most modern pump shotguns are created equal in terms of reliability. Most of it just comes down to personal preference, I never understood why Remington didn't use the dual extractors. As a Mossberg fan one distinct advantage I think the Remington has is the steel receiver. One thing is for sure I trust a pump shotgun in a home defense situation more than a semi-auto just because they'll feed just about anything where some of the semi-autos seems a little more picky.

[@harleymichael83]

The part I was referring to is the shell extractors that grab the shell out of the chamber not the elevator. The Remingtons only have one and the Mossberg has two.

[@quentins5692]

I'm not so sold on steel dude. Let's see what's made of aluminum today Engine blocks Landing gear Etc. Steel's good for two things, marketing and bluing.

[@PlatypusAurelius]

God I miss Barry so much. Such a legendary character and excellent teacher.

[@m1ghtysauc3E]

The direction of the spent shell can give your position away? What about the deafening shotgun blast? Lol.

[@KStylez05]

My thoughts exactly. Lol

[@m1ghtysauc3E]

+KStylez05 *shotgun blast* "Damnit it Carl! Where is this bastard?" *spent shell hits the floor* "Well shit. He's behind the sofa."

[@KStylez05]

+Jason Hatherlee Gotdamn loud ass plastic empty shells givin' away my position!

[@kanpai44]

+Jason Hatherlee That M1 Garand empty ping

[@perrinayebarra]

I can only pick out the general direction of a sound usually. Not the exact location.

[@angrysquirrel11]

I'd choose the Mossberg over the Remington.

[@kelbini]

I miss Barry so glad we have him to look up on youtube. Thanks for all you do for us Eric.

[@hendo337]

I've voted with my wallet twice so far in my 30 years of life 1st for a Rem 870 Police Mag 12ga 20" 6 shot came with walnut got ATI M4 6 postion w/shell holder, front pistol grip, tac star side saddle shell holder, heat shield. Second time Rem 870 Tactical 12ga 18" black stock and pump, 7 shot, rail on top, ghost rings and swivel stud sling. I like the quality of the 870 and the ease of disassembly and cleaning.

[@davidwolter5786]

Mossburg 590 20" for the 9 rd capacity.

[@appleztooranges]

David Wolter I got the same with flex system

[@andrewbaker2608]

870 20 in 7 round tube ... I have both the disassembly on the 870 is easier

[@maximinusgator6646]

I love Barry and I really miss him I only found this channel 3 years ago but I did go back and watch a lot of the older videos

[@fanofkira]

RIP Barry you will forever be missed. I was recently deciding on either a 870 or 590... Went with the 590.

[@jamesbrickman1297]

Love you guys! Keep doing what you're doing. I've had an 870 for several years, bought a used Wingmaster from the 60s and the fit and finish on it is unbeatable as well as smoothness of action. The only issue I have with my 870 (Which Barry mentioned in a much earlier video) is that the ejector is not user serviceable. on the Mossberg 500 you can change the ejector yourself if it breaks. I agree with Barry, if you can afford it go with the 590A1. Over engineered and totally user serviceable

[@ShortGuy1792]

The capacity is impressive but I like the Mossberg's simple design and vast selection of parts and accessories. With the 500 and 870 being so popular there's a build for anyone's tastes.

[@Antoniotube556]

I remember when this video came out miss Barry r.i.p been watching this channel since 2012 great times.

[@BreachmanINC]

590 hands down for a tactical application. NOT having to move your hands to hit the slide release or safety seems like a more practical application for LE/MIL( and i have used in both)

[@Mr.Ut21]

The only thing I don't understand about this is: How is it that the side eject option on the gun can give your position away, but an enormous blast from a double 0 buck shot round at 25 yards from a twelve gauge shotgun and the sound of re racking a new shell does not? Makes little sense to me.. I see this logic for rifles at moderate ranges but a shotgun? no way jose.. You pull that trigger and the whole world knows where your at.

[@kevinharker768]

Maybe they mean it this way: You're in a hidden position and the intruder is around the corner from you or in the hallway, whatever the layout of the building is, and they can't find you. You fire a shot, it's loud, bad guy is still trying to find you and you rack the weapon. Say your she'll flies out the door or past a half wall and they spot it. I don't know. I now see your point clearer after writing this but he must've had a good reason to say it haha.

[@Tlmvr15]

+Kevin Harker as a former marine grunt. if you are using a shotgun they most likely know where you at already.

[@pitbulld45]

That comment made me laugh, I was thinking same thing, big boom and your cool, ejected shell, oooo there he is.

[@danielj5650]

if you are inside a building with a lot of corridors and hallways, the gunshots will echo and it will be hard to distinguish exactly where it's coming from (especially with all the other gunfire). When the shell ejects you can see which way it flies from so you know which side they shooter is on. This is only applicable in the case that you are already detected, such as in a gun fight

[@TheCharleseye]

@@danielj5650 I'll worry about this if I ever move into a huge building with lots of corridors. My house doesn't fit that description.

[@kyles5364]

I had both the Remington 870 (Woodmaster) and the Mossberg 500. I loved the 870 more than I did the 500. I won a Benelli Nova in a raffle at a fundraiser for a brother of some family friends. I absolutely love the Nova. But do miss the 870.

[@Haramita3]

This is like Chevy vs Ford...

[@antoniobrito6351]

and glock vs 1911

[@antoniobrito6351]

i would pick 1911,Mossberg,and Chevy

[@jimRaynor6]

+Antonio Brito more like glock vs m&p or glock vs xd. technically the 1911 is nothing even close to a glock. not to be that guy

[@jimRaynor6]

+Antonio Brito more like glock vs m&p or glock vs xd. technically the 1911 is nothing even close to a glock. not to be that guy

[@antoniobrito6351]

+parker simpson no,glock aren't close to 1911.its true glocks are reliable but 1911's are quality.

[@reeceatkins5507]

I agree with the 870 being a good beater shotgun. I have the marine magnum and toss it around a lot. Hunting trip buddy twisted his foot and i had to carry him across a wide creek so he didnt slip an make it worse. We held his rifle while i simply threw my 870 to the other side of the creek (was unloaded at that time). Held up just fine. But both great shotguns though

[@pinkiewerewolf]

I have an 870 and a 590 and I like the ergos on the 590 much better. The ergos and carrying more rounds would be the two big advantages for me with the Mossberg, other than that flip a coin.

[@zippa7135]

I miss Barry... Such a cool guy with so much wisdom.

[@aubin1010]

loved the old mans closing words, this is my first time tuning into you guys, Will not be the last, good work fellows

[@tomyot77]

Love the old 870 wingmaster with short barrel without plug. Rock solid and never malfunctioned in 45 years of use hunting.

[@ICGorillaP]

These are the videos that I miss. I mostly like Chad, but these videos are just so wholesome, informational and have a warmth to them. Maybe its just the nostalgia.

[@tmoney2305]

I love my 870... I love remington period. My remington 700 bdl is my favorite gun ever 30.06... Great video guys!!

[@tntcyclespdx]

I love watching the old videos with Barry in them. RIP brother.

[@Ephem13]

Mossberg 500/590s are easier to use if you are left handed, just a little fact.

[@ZentetsukenVII]

I disagree. I find the 870 to be just as easy. The safety is fine for a lefty. Just use your middle finger.

[@largefatherbassmusic]

having owned both and being left handed, i gotta say, the 870 takes the cake. i put my index finger on the lever and pull the trigger with my middle finger, no one shoots faster than me.

[@Ephem13]

Well the fore grip release is only a consideration for first round, once it's been fired they release automatically. That being said I never have to change my natural hand position thus I have several accurate shots in a short amount of time. Speed does not win in life or death situations, the accurate shot wins. Not to mention you need to be deadly accurate with a shotgun in a home defense situation as the buckshot hasn't expanded more than a few inches.

[@SynchronizorVideos]

You can put a reverse safety in a right-hand-ejecting 870, or you can just use the standard safety left-handed, it's not hard with practice. There are also fully-reversed left-handed 870 models.

[@Ephem13]

***** All of witch is very, very true. The reasons I bring it up is left hand guns tend to cost more and why learn to practice something extra when you can avoid it all together. These two shotguns are so close in every category that it's going to be the little things that make a difference.

[@usmcrvn69]

I have had both for many years and both are fine shotguns. The one negative of the Mossberg is the aluminum receiver. After some years of use a dent developed in the top of the receiver caused by the rim of the shell slamming up into it. This caused an occasional jam when cycling the action. A few minutes with my Foredom grinder smoothing the dent out cured the problem. The most outstanding feature of the 870 is that it has been made in a left hand version which us lefties appreciate.

[@jihayrainielshwhitneym.612]

I am police man here in Philippines and I like Mossberg than the Remington because Mossberg 590 a1 carry 8 in the tube plus 1 Makes total of 9 but our station commander issued me a with Glock 17 and Remington express magnum and m16 Bushmaster

[@ABC-qd1ei]

Like you'd need that stuff you're probably like a Filipino Chuck Norris

[@jesusbencomo3495]

Hello Sir, Have you ever tried the Aguila minishotshells?

[@bullsharkreef]

Choice was easy for me, no-brainer in fact, since local dealers only had 870 configured the way I wanted out-of-box(18.5" barrel, black, synthetic stock, no needless frills added that could snag stuff in a backpack). Simple, reliable, fun and cheap, love that gun.

[@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005]

rest in peace Barry :( I hope they have guns in heaven

[@jordanwendt3359]

GDK Squilliam Fancyson how did he die? Old age?

[@fraizerfitzgibbon1469]

Jordan Wendt hiv

[@johnganshow5536]

I didn't know Barry died. Any idea what happened? R.I.P. Barry...

[@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005]

John Ganshow issues while recovering from a heart attack I believe

[@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005]

Jordan Wendt while recovering from a heart attack I think

[@Z0mb3hHunt3r]

I had a 1970s 870 Wingmaster with 28 inch non vent rib smooth-bore barrel and combat ringed fore-end. Threw a mag extension on it so it held 7+1 and I kept the barrel 28 inches. It was a big boy, very light recoil, and it was my go-to shotgun. Paid $100 bucks the day after I graduated High School, and I sold it last year to buy a pistol. It was the smoothest shotgun I've ever had/fired. That's out of Mossbergs, A Winchester 97, Stevens, and some lower end 12 gauges. Man I need to get another 1.

[@CaeruleanWren]

I must admit, I find it interesting that the first two things he mentioned for ergonomics on the 870 are the two things I hate most about it. I can neither rack the first shell nor turn on the safety without moving my shooting hand. That's always seemed dumb to me. I thought that Mossberg just had a patent on the behind-the-guard action release until I learned that the 870 came before the 500. Besides those two things and the lift gate, I'd take either gun.

[@spacepope87]

People sometimes release the pump on a Mossberg due to it being behind the trigger guard.

[@mikeepeck]

Hey Guys, Your not getting bigger because of us, your getting bigger because you guys are awesome and put out excellent vids. If you sucked I wouldn't watch, instead of watching everything and wanting more. Keep up the great work, and thanks for all the time you guys take to make all these vids.

[@eugenewillsey2135]

I have the 500 Mossberg it's a slug gun. has a rifled barrel 18.5 inches have fixed power scope with cross hair in a diamond shaped square. I bought the scope because I liked the reticle and it didn't cost that much.big plus.and the switch barrel for Turkey hunting get the neck in the square and pull the trigger.

[@inuyashaspet]

Always loved these well-done comparisons. It's really difficult for an established authority on firearms to give a completely unbiased comparison with honest opinions on two rival products without skirting around the issues equivocally for fear of stepping on any toes of fans or companies.

[@tacratt6091]

I much prefer the elevator on the Mossberg and the double extractors, if the trigger housing was aluminum it would be great. Both are great guns and will serve anyone well. If I had to take one to war it would be the 590a1..

[@wesleykish3297]

TacRatt60 I don't see much difference between the polimer and aluminum trigger guards they both break under@the same amount of pressure. Milled steel would be the way to go for best results.

[@Sacosniper]

I worked for Military Sealift Command as a 3rd and 2nd mate and the navy issued our ships the mossberg 500, i loved shooting those things.

[@agarcia77720]

If I had a bottom eject shotgun I would give it away. The 870 is a beast; like that camo! 500 is just what I'd rather have at the field.

[@cg6281]

I think i understand his point with ejection. If the shell lands at your feet, it could land on your shoes or lightly on the carpet or whatever floor is below you. With the side eject, you launch the shell out of your way, possibly going around a corner or hitting the wall with the force of the ejector. The enemy also might see the shell fly

[@clintrichards449]

"It's in a much more convenient place.... You do have to move your shooting hand." Then it's not convenient!

[@austinbell1044]

You will never be forgotten Barry

[@douglasfulmer5483]

The material of the receiver makes no difference. The lockup is in the barrel.

[@elche1976]

Stop it with your facts. People want to be told feelings.

[@cgasieni]

@@elche1976 love your honest commentary. Could you kindly advise a 1st time shotgun buyer what to buy? I'm looking to practice and become a good shot and take my skills towards hunting. Which pump and would it be better to get an over/under 1st instead? TY!

[@Pro2AGuy]

Yet another outstanding gun review/comparison (it's become part of my standard YT viewing). I too (like many) have both models and I also lean toward the 870 for the more durable feel. However, if I had the Moss 590 A1 I am sure I would prefer it to all others (pumps to be specific). I have also become more and more fond of the tactical semis but that another story for another day...Keep up the OUTSTANDING work as this is quickly becoming my favorite YT "Gun" channel!

[@desertreaper2769]

I really miss Barry RIP sir

[@artierodriguez8334]

Thanks for the feedback. Seems my husband had one in mind all this time, but felt my getting involved in the process all this time is what he wanted me to do. I have had plenty of good helpful advice from the youtube community, I thank you all for that. I think that we are going with the mossberg for several reasons, mostly its ability to perform under less than ideal conditions and its pricing is side by side with the remington. The deal breaker is its good performance. Thanks, ER

[@geoffflato6065]

I'm a Winchester guy myself. Nothing like an 1897 or model 12

[@theshapeexists]

+gomer 1993 the military seems to think it's just fine.

[@warmachine_1396]

Don't forget the 1200 and 1300 defenders

[@sourmash5715]

is that the terminator shotgun?

[@thedoctorwillseeunow2233]

Too expensive

[@drummerchef851]

Both great guns. I have a 590 and love it. Will add a 870 to the collection along with a 590 M1. Great video.

[@Sir_Leelord]

At 7:00 when he said the side shell ejection would give your position away...and he prefers bottom ejection....ummmm I think the sound of the shotgun will give your position away, lol

[@MrThreeHandz]

I was thinking the same damn thing,unless hes using a sniper shotgun.!!!

[@robhene4633]

Well, my understanding is that it is hard to tell where a big blast came from indoors and in urban areas (places you would generally be using a shotgun) because of the way the sound bounces off of hard objects. A shell dropping does not have the same awesome concussion and its sound would be limited to a specific area. Now, that being said, I do agree we are splitting some hairs here.

[@bounceorbreak]

Pretty sure he means by popping up above your cover exposing your position.

[@repetitivemotion]

Barry! Barry! Barry! Man I loved you. I never met you but I loved you like a brother man! RIP....

[@Bayan1905]

The ultimate bottom eject shotgun, the Ithaca 37. Find an older Deerslayer 12 gauge or a Ithaca 37 DS police version with the longer magazine tube. I have had Ithaca's for years and they are tough as nails. I do have a Remington 870 for defense use these days and it will do everything the Mossberg wishes it could do, especially since mine is 30 plus years old and is steel. Of course I could have gotten a Mossberg 590 but I couldn't afford it so I snagged the 870, I got it used for what I would have paid for a Maverick 88.

[@rorylabine7143]

It doesn't matter if you have a bottom eject or a side eject shotgun, it you want to eject a shell, you either have to fire and rack the slide (which is going to give your position away) or just rack the slide ( also giving your pos. away). If they are close enough to see a shell, they're close enough to hear you.

[@appleztooranges]

Once the pandemic happened, I went to my local Ffl dealer and asked what the best shotgun he had that was for home defense. He came out with mossberg 590. I grabbed it.

[@blakedavis2447]

Better late then never

[@NYG5]

@@blakedavis2447 gunbroker's shotty prices are insane right now

[@RockyMountainWest13]

You mean PLANdemic

[@AutoSearPin]

I’ve tried them both, my bets go on the mossberg 100% There’s also a little plastic bit that you can put in the back of the mossberg receiver to shorten it so the mini shells can feed correctly, just slide it in, made possible by the style of the loading arm

[@Foxer604]

Realistically - they're the same gun, just different :) It's more about what fits YOU and your situation, you can't say one is 'better' than the other generally. One might be better for you specifically. That's the wonderful thing about having choices. I own both, love 'em both. I also own weatherby, winchester and a few others. The best gun is the one that fits and works for you in your situation.

[@Chris-wn3vr]

Just picked up a Mossberg 590 9-rd with ghost ring sights last week. Absolutely LOVE the gun.

[@usernameisusername]

4:20 12 gauge fires and eyes don't blink or close even slightly. That's lots of rounds down range.

[@dsbiddle]

Barry called that shotgun a good "home blaster". Love that guy!

[@reddawn3545]

I own a 870, wonderful shotgun! I love the weight and the finish to it! But, I have to add, not to be a smarty or anything but; Bottom or Side eject really doesn't matter to me. If you're in combat, neither matters, because you're going to be making a load of racket and I doubt a shell flying out the side will give away your position while using a short barreled shotgun, LOL. Great video guys, really enjoyed it!

[@outdoorcrazy]

Berry was the best! I Miss him! Appreciate that you guys continue to run the channel in a way he would be proud of!

[@Kunta1926]

I have real world experience with both guns and data on both going back 2 decades. I owned an 870 and sold it to by a 590a1. The 590a1 and only that model is more durable than the 870 and the reason why I switched. The 870 will absolutely break before the 590a1.

[@CtrlAltRetreat]

I've got a Ithaca m37 featherlight and I'll tell you this, it's my favorite pump shotgun. It has a smaller tube capacity, but it's light, exceptionally solid (no shake or rattle at all) the sights are good and the ergonomics are fantastic, especially for people who like a slightly tighter gun. I had a 870 and a 500 before I received the m37 bequeathed to me by my uncle and the m37 handling is simply superior. A bottom eject has many advantages over a side eject that they haven't mentioned.

[@MegaMuff420]

What about them dual extrators on the 500 boiiiiiiiiiii

[@kadow1313]

Spook Stomper dual extractors are only in the 590a1 I believe

[@elche1976]

KadowHunter13 nope. Your average 500 has dual extractors as well. heck, the 88 as well.

[@sourmash5715]

all Mossberg shotguns have duel extractors.

[@NorthCarolinaOutdoors]

Giving away your position twice as fast...

[@jimbobojim4634]

And the mossberg also has a screwed in shell ejector, the 870 is spot welded in, if it breaks it has to be sent back to remington to be fixed.

[@john5743]

I love the thumb safety on the Mossberg. Of course my first gun was a Mossberg 500 so I'm very used to it.

[@DrummerBoyee127]

"This is a Benelli Supernova" *R6 Siege flashbacks intensify*

[@young-blk-investor1059]

lol

[@srspower]

I have to say the tang safety for me is much better than a cross bolt one. And a bottom ejecting/loading shotgun would be much slower to feed and run and gun with compared to a side loader. You can't chuck a shell in and feed as you go or throw a different type of shell in ie: a slug. Hence why they aren't as common.

[@jamesrobbins1990]

Have you heard anything about the freedom group producing crappy 870's now. There are tons of videos on here with failure to extract. I wish it werent true but there are lots of forums online discussing the QC of Remington now. Too bad

[@smittysmith6173]

Problems simply corrected though. Replace the mim extractor with the big steel one and polish the chamber. Worked great for my 870.

[@tonyrogo227]

@@smittysmith6173 ... yup there still having this problem with the 870s. No...its not always so easy to fix smith..

[@metalraider187]

That is true, many shotgun makers today are just starting to take advantage of the accessories/build your own market, and Mossberg seems to be the first to do so.

[@madcowrebel4216]

R.I.P Berry.

[@floridahuntsman7915]

I also own the Bennelli nova . I can attest to is durability and it shoot about everything you give it . It dose jam on some 3 1/2 in duck loads . It’s frustrating during a hunt . But you can’t modify much at all . But I own all three and I love them all .

[@on2play736]

I'm into Martial Arts and what this video tells me is if I had the choice between those 2 shotguns for home defense is that I would choose the Remington 870 first then Mossberg 500 second. If I had to use the shotgun as my striking weapon other than a shooting weapon then I would choose the Remington for its rigidity and component strength. Then, I can choose to use myself as a weapon, shotgun as a striking tool, and then still shoot it after I bashed someone's face with it. I didn't know about the plastic trigger group and this made my decision so much easier. Thanks for the video. I'll get the Mossberg 500/590 as my secondary because my Family means more to me than a weapon that has a potential to break in physical encounters. BTW, I'm getting both

[@tonyrogo227]

Your logic is flawed and I could give a shit if you know martial arts or not. I'd take the shotgun that's more reliable PERIOD. That would be the mossy. Your idiotic post belongs in a B rated action flick. Not a real life situation . Try better internet tough guys😉.

[@Tertion]

Did Remington changed this ? My 870 had a plastic trigger guard...

[@RaneMP2016]

I wrote to Brandy "Mrs. IV888" about ideas for future "Vs." videos. A 870 vs 500/590 video to be exact on 11/20/2013. She kindly replied with a "It's on the list" of ideas and sure enough it was already done 1.5 months prior. Big Ups to Eric & Barry. I am an 870 owner and love it, but wanted ti know what Eric & Barry thought of it. Now I know. Thanks Guys!

[@Eli-dd5jc]

Comparing a mossberg 500/590 to a NEW Remington 870 Is like comparing a fresh coke to a flat Pepsi

[@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109]

True

[@elche1976]

This all day. New Remington's are hot garbage.

[@just1moretimeagain]

I'm a lefty, and I have a Mossberg 590M full-size 12ga., and I also have a Mossberg 590M Shockwave 12ga., (the "M" stands for "Magazine" fed). I replaced the plastic safety buttons with metal one's from Brownells, and I've not had a problem with either of them (not that I'd ever had a problem before, but ... better safe than sorry). I have the original 10 round magazines that came with both, AND, I also have a 20 round magazine for both ... the 20 round magazines are just INSANE, lol. I also installed a "LS-250G Crimson Trace Shotgun Lasersaddle with Ambidextrous Control", on both 590M's. It brought my accuracy with the Shockwave up 100% since I fire the Shockwave from the hip as it has no stock, so shoulder firing is NOT an option. I use the Shockwave as my home-defense shotgun, loaded up with 2 3/4' 00 Buck, 8 shot. (The magazines are chambered for 2 3/4' ONLY)

[@chriscat85]

Biggest difference is the lift gate on the Remington. If a shell gets under it, you are screwed. If you have ever had to disassemble your 870 while hunting due to a shell stuck under the gate, you know what I'm talking about. Or, if you've seen guys slamming the butt stock on the ground trying to force the shell to load. I've seen guys grind a slot in the gate so they could get a pocket knife in there to push the shell froward when it happens. Kind of a pain when hunting. Would be a disaster during a home defense situation. The flexi tab modification is Remington's attempt to fix this, and it is much better than the old system. But, the Mossberg avoids the whole problem with the open system it uses. This one difference, alone, precludes the Remington from home defence, in my opinion. Everything else is just personal preference. But, if you just absolutely have to have a Remington, make absolute sure you have one of the new ones with the flexi tab. I also don't like adding a tube extension to the Remington to increase capacity. The joint, where the extension mets the tube is an opportunity for a problem. Shells can, and sometime do, hang up there. The 8 shot Mossberg uses a solid tube with no such joint. I, like a lot of people, own both. I hunt with the 870 because it's pretty. But, I keep a 590 by my bed. Just my opinions.

[@chriscat85]

Look, I'm not bad mouthing the 870. But this is not a rare event. Guys used to cut a slot in them so they could get a pocket knife in there when it happened. I've seen it happen several times. Try it sometimes. I hunt with a 870, cause it is pretty. But I would never keep a 870 for defensive purposes.

[@chriscat85]

Fair enough. But just for the experience of it, try it. Load the gun and don't push the shell all the way forward. In other words, force this situation. See how easy it is to do and how hard it is to fix when it happens. You can do it by short stroking the action too. Again, I'll say I sometimes hunt with an 870 wing master. Very nice gun. But if it happens while I'm in the field, I can dissemble the gun and fix it. I've done it. Worst thing is I might waste a little time. I can't imagine doing this in my bedroom while someone was breaking into my house. And, by the way, I have been in that situation. I've been asleep when two punks kicked in my door. I met them with a mossberg 590. Didn't have to fire it, thank God. But the gun chambered a round with no problems. They went to jail for 3 years, nobody got hurt, and I still rethink what could have happened. Would have an 870 served the same purpose? Sure, but after seeing 870's disabled with a shell under the lift gate several times over the last 30 years, I'll stick with the Mossberg. Again I'll say, if you are going to depend on an 870, at least make sure you have one of the newer ones with the flexi tab system. And actually practice this malfunction a couple times. Even with the flexi tab system, it is more difficult than you might expect.

[@SynchronizorVideos]

That shell-over-carrier malfunction was only a problem with the older 870s. Remington engineered a fix in the mid-80s that solved the problem. If you have an older gun, you can order the updated parts and drop them in very easily.

[@chriscat85]

No, remington "improved" the situation in the mid 80's with the flexi tab system. It still does not prevent the problem. It provides a method of working around these jams using force. Much better than the old system, to be sure, but they did not eliminate the problem. To " fix" the problem, they would have to adopt Mossbergs system, or something like it. The conversion parts you speak of are upwards of $100 plus shipping when you can find them. And that's if you can do the work yourself. Replacing the lift gate itself involves messing with the trigger assembly and may be a little more than some people want to tackle. Cheaper to just sell the 870 and buy a Mossberg. But, if you are absolutely determined to keep an old 870 as your home defense gun, I would definitely spend the money for the flexitab conversion. Now, again, I'll say, this is only a big problem in self defense situations. In a hunting or clay shooting situation, it is just a minor inconvenience and absolutely no reason to replace or modify a high end wingmaster. My advise, keep the 870 for show when hunting. It is an excellent gun. But buy a Mossberg for the bedroom. A 590A1 if you can afford it, but a 500 will work fine if you are on a budget. Just my opinion though.

[@spacepope87]

I've had problems with a Mossberg 500 that just wouldn't feed. When ever you would pump, the shell would fall out. Nutnfancy has a video where the 590 has nothing buy light primer strikes. All shotguns can have problems. The Mossberg's have this myth about them vastly superior to an 870. It is NOT the AK of the shotgun world as most like to think.

[@Snyper408]

Hey Barry and Eric, I'm not sure if you remember or not but about 3 months ago I said I was leaving for Marine Corps Bootcamp. Well I want to tell you I made it and the first thing I did on my boot leave is pick up my iPad and started watching your videos nonstop. Thank you for all of the entertaining videos and keep it up!

[@TheBCSledder]

I looked at an 870 beside a mossberg today and I found the 870 had a lot of slop in it compared to the Mossberg.

[@shoersa]

Strange, I heard more people say the opposite!

[@DogBeast221]

Miss you, Barry. Good to see you.

[@ChristianGames316]

The ultimate 870 v. 590A1 video: Why not both?

[@johnsfixton8857]

+veggie530 because is hard to to carry and to shoot both at the same time i guess

[@shoersa]

Budget.

[@wrennable]

Damn. Randomly coming up on an old video with Barry. RIP Barry. You're missed.

[@Moribund_art]

I have the chance to trade my Mossy 500 for a Remington 870 Tactical model. Should I do it? I don't really like the 870 having 1 extractor and I'm not a fan of the door on the 870. Other than that I like the 870.

[@aidanb5770]

I would do it, I love my 870

[@shoersa]

I would not do it, 2 extractors & open loading (no door) of the mag tube is too big of an advantage for a home defense shotgun to give up.

[@quentins5692]

I've got a Mossberg 535 that I bought at Walmart for like $300. I love it. Can't beat the accessories. I think I have like $400 in a slug set up I can hold 2" group with.

[@michaelsetchell5287]

I'm wondering how many people are watching this to see which they should buy for combat and room clearing, I'm here for shooting ducks

[@marcussegura395]

I'm here for home defense

[@TheGarratc]

I prefer a choked Mossberg with a full length barrel. A friend has an 870 and it gets heavy after awhile carrying it around. Don't get a 590 for hunting, they're awesome guns but I don't think they make a long barrel/ choked barrel for them.

[@XxbossdogxX]

Mossberg sells separate barrels for the 500/590 up to 28". But it'll cost about 200$

[@jdkg2010]

I'm here for a shotgun for all around use

[@TheCharleseye]

I'm zeroing in on the Mossberg 500 Grand Slam Turkey. It's the best all-around shotgun I've seen. It has a 20" ribbed and threaded barrel, so you can hunt _anything_ with it and still have a short enough length for walking hallways, to defend your home.

[@goodwoodsk8er16]

My Uncle just got that Benelli new for 450. It's amazing, not a bad recoil, I love it. Great Buy I recommend it, good for Trap, Home defense, ETC.

[@vinceruffing9550]

love my 870 and my 500 but my favorite shotgun is my ithaca model 37 with walnut stock set holds 7+1 and its a bottom eject its a great shotgun

[@AirForceAce3571]

great vid! I prefer the Mossberg for 2 reasons: as a lefty, the crossbolt safety on the 870 doesn't work well for me, so I love the 500's top safety! I also like the flush shell loading, very easy to load with gloves on. I love Remington too (my favorite hunting gun is a Remington 1100 12 ga!) and would trust my life to either of these guns, but for me the Mossys are my favorite. I shot my 1st squirrel w/ a 20 Ga 500, and I'm bout to get a 2 barrel 500 HD/hunting combo w/ a 18.5" & a 28" barrels

[@vabch82]

May Barry rest in peace, but the 870 wasn't even entered in 3443. Remington already knew they wouldn't get the contract due to cost per unit!

[@gabrielhorowitz5764]

***** It's not simply about what's cheapest. It's about economical AND durable. Mossbergs are like the AKs of the shotgun world. They have higher tolerance, less precision, which is exactly what makes them so popular for so many different organization.

[@MrBgyfz450]

My first gun was a 500 about 6 years ago. Use it for deer hunting and waterfowl. I got the combo love it never a issue. Prolly about 300 shells through it.

[@GunNut37086]

For me...the apples to apples comparison is the 590 vs 870. They're about the same price.

[@jamesbyers2268]

I have never owned an 870 but they feel like they fit me better. I own an older 500 for deer hunting and the forend makes more noise than I like for hunting.

[@dougersonify]

Recent 870s have had many failures to extract even including my friends. I’d get a 500 until they fix that issue

[@tonyrogo227]

And it's still not fixed with the Remingtons... when will people learn.....

[@joebazan8059]

Dang I didn’t know that!

[@agayfuzzypandabear]

@Urban Boys They are. If you want to get an 870, that's fine, but go with an older model. The older ones were truly built to last, so being used shouldn't be an issue. If not, feel free to go with the 500/590, can't go wrong with either.

[@sluggak1363]

I owned a 590 no problems sold it hard times bounced back with an m4

[@aSportishOne]

One way to alleviate this is polishing the chamber by wrapping an old bore brush in 0000 steel wool, getting some oil on it, and put it on a drill

[@bobbylightcuh]

Shot for my first time ever last sunday and i can say that it was a great experience! The remington was fun to shoot and it kicks!